97up-list-digest Friday, October 16 1998 Volume 01 : Number 247



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - PowerStroke Diesel service alternatives
FTE 97up - ADMIN: T-shirt contest, cheating
FTE 97up - How Long Must I Wait?
Re: FTE 97up - ADMIN: T-shirt contest, cheating
FTE 97up - Week 41 commodities
Re: FTE 97up - Week 41 commodities
Re: FTE 97up - PowerStroke Diesel service alternatives
Re: FTE 97up - ADMIN: T-shirt contest, cheating
Re: FTE 97up - Week 41 commodities
FTE 97up - DRL's (Daytime Running Lights)
Re: FTE 97up - DRL's (Daytime Running Lights)
FTE 97up - '99 f550
Re: FTE 97up - DRL's (Daytime Running Lights)
FTE 97up - Ford Ranger vs. Mazda Pick up
Re: FTE 97up - DRL's (Daytime Running Lights)
Re: FTE 97up - Ford Ranger vs. Mazda Pick up

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:10:04 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - PowerStroke Diesel service alternatives

Yes Dodge owners can go to the Cummins dealer. I have talked to a lot of
people who do this because the Dodge dealers don't have the training to work
on the engine and tend to not get the job done. The PSD is made by Navistar
so (they call it T444E) so they can do the mechanical work on it, but I
don't know if they use EEC-V like the trucks do so they might not be able to
do the electronic work (if anybody knows please fill me in.) But you
usually can get the work done at a dealer. Ford requires that you have a
mechanic certified in Power Stroke maintenance, diagnoses, and driveability
or else they won't allow you to order PSD powered trucks. So I've had a lot
of Dodge owners switch due to the better service they can get on a Power
Stroke (its an hour drive to the nearest Cummins shop).

This is not just true of the PSD. Most other warranty work your mechanic
has to be certified on what he's doing or Ford won't pay the labor costs
(Dealership has to eat it). The training is expensive and time consuming,
but it seems to be working because I have been trading in more Dodges and
Chevys than ever and most comment about service being one of their reasons
for switching.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Jose A. Fernandez
To: '97up-list ford-trucks.com'
Date: Wednesday, October 14, 1998 11:37 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - PowerStroke Diesel service alternatives


>From what I've learned from the Net, when a Dodge Ram owner has a
>problem with a diesel engine, there are two ways to go: 1) the nearest
>Dodge dealer or 2) the nearest Cummins shop.
>
>As far as I can tell from the Net, a late-model Ford PSD owner has
>nowhere to go but the nearest Ford dealer. Have I got this right?
>



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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:26:59 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: T-shirt contest, cheating

The voting for the t-shirt on the web site is being removed due to
several people cheating.

Nearly 10 people have cheated and voted multiple times. One person
even voted 9 times. The voting results are going in the trash
since it seems that some of the list members can't be honest about
this.

I knew there was a potential for cheating because I use IPs instead
of cookies to track who voted. All most users have to do is hang
up, dial in and they have another IP. However, its quite obvious
whats going on when we have several users on the list with an uncommon
host address and their host address shows up many times in the IP log.

Once I have a solution to prevent dishonesty, I'll let everyone know.

Ken,
Admin


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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:36:43 -0500
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: FTE 97up - How Long Must I Wait?

Ordered new 1999 F250 Super Duty V8 4x4 (Lariat Package), and the dealer
said 2 - 4 months before delivery. Anyone have real time delivery
experience on this or similar "Super Duty" truck.

Thanks,

Charles.

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:53:04 -0400
From: "Rex Iscariot"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - ADMIN: T-shirt contest, cheating

Cookies. Stick a cookie on the user's machine. We use it all of the time
here at AT&T to track internally who's been where.

Of course, a lot of people have weird psychological issues with cookies
(which are widely misunderstood) -- personally I think these issues are
paranoia (a cookie cannot store any information other than what the user
provides plus stuff which is available anyway via logs), but you might want
to consider them.

Shame that people have to act irresponsibly, though.

Rex Iscariot
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.home.net/acidrain

"Wash me clean and I will run until I reach the shore..." - Bad Religion /
"Generator"

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:12:32 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: FTE 97up - Week 41 commodities

The estimated build percentages for the Kansas City region week #41

Windstar-
Quad Seats (includes SE and SEL) 64%
SE series 50%
SEL series 11%
Cassette/CD (58K) 65%
4th door 90%

Expedition
4.6L 22%
5.4L 78%

Explorer
4.0L OHV 18%
4.0L SOHC 66%
5.0L 16%
Dual media radio (58K) 58%

Econoline
6.8L 5%
7.3L 6%
Racks and bins 83%

Ranger
3.0L 61%
2.5L 13%
Dual media radio (58K) 18%
4 door Supercab 26%

Lt Duty F-Series
Off Road Pkg.. 11%
Prem Cass+CD (91P) 5%
4.2L Auto 29%
4.2L Total 41%
4.6L 32%
5.4L Auto 25%
5.4L (LD 250) 27%

Super Duty F-Series
5.4L 22%
6.8L 19%
7.3L 59%
F-350 DRW pickup 12%
F-350/450 DRW chassis 2%
7.3L Automatic 40%
Total automatic 71%
tutone paint 12%
total Pickups 88%
Cass. + CD radio (58K) 22%
Prem. aluminum wheels 16%
Lariat 19%
F-250/350 SRW 4x4 60%
Crew Cab 19%


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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:39:33 -0700
From: "Alan Wilson"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Week 41 commodities

What does "Build Percentages" mean? Is this the % of projected stock on
hand?

Union Auto wrote:

> The estimated build percentages for the Kansas City region week #41
>
> Windstar-
> Quad Seats (includes SE and SEL) 64%
> SE series 50%
> SEL series 11%
> Cassette/CD (58K) 65%
> 4th door 90%
>
> Expedition
> 4.6L 22%
> 5.4L 78%
>
> Explorer
> 4.0L OHV 18%
> 4.0L SOHC 66%
> 5.0L 16%
> Dual media radio (58K) 58%
>
> Econoline
> 6.8L 5%
> 7.3L 6%
> Racks and bins 83%
>
> Ranger
> 3.0L 61%
> 2.5L 13%
> Dual media radio (58K) 18%
> 4 door Supercab 26%
>
> Lt Duty F-Series
> Off Road Pkg.. 11%
> Prem Cass+CD (91P) 5%
> 4.2L Auto 29%
> 4.2L Total 41%
> 4.6L 32%
> 5.4L Auto 25%
> 5.4L (LD 250) 27%
>
> Super Duty F-Series
> 5.4L 22%
> 6.8L 19%
> 7.3L 59%
> F-350 DRW pickup 12%
> F-350/450 DRW chassis 2%
> 7.3L Automatic 40%
> Total automatic 71%
> tutone paint 12%
> total Pickups 88%
> Cass. + CD radio (58K) 22%
> Prem. aluminum wheels 16%
> Lariat 19%
> F-250/350 SRW 4x4 60%
> Crew Cab 19%
>
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:13:09 EDT
From: RAMWORKER aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - PowerStroke Diesel service alternatives

Hi Jose,

As far as what you and Nathan wrote goes, you're correct. The sticky part is
that Dodge, not Cummins, furnishes the warranty. In order for the Dodge boys
to go to Cummins for warranty work, we must first exhaust the dealers'
resources (that doesn't take much either) and get Dodges' approval to get to
knowledgeable Cummins mechanics, and sometimes they're not too sharp either.
While I'm not 100% sure about the PowerStroke, I believe it is virtually the
same as the T444E used in the medium duty Internationals, please correct me if
I'm wrong. I would think that most all heavy duty truck shops can help you
with parts and service at your expense (not warranty work)
I also agree with Nathan about the Dodge warranty service, I'd rather forget
Dodge and their service hassles and just take care of it myself, it's less
trouble to fix something myself than try to explain to some moronic service
writer droid and make sure that he gets the correct information to the
mechanic.

Best Regards,
Robert

In a message dated 10/14/98 11:53:35 PM Central Daylight Time, jaf kuriake.com
writes:

> From what I've learned from the Net, when a Dodge Ram owner has a
> problem with a diesel engine, there are two ways to go: 1) the nearest
> Dodge dealer or 2) the nearest Cummins shop.
>
> As far as I can tell from the Net, a late-model Ford PSD owner has
> nowhere to go but the nearest Ford dealer. Have I got this right?
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:16:14 -0400
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - ADMIN: T-shirt contest, cheating

Ken Payne wrote:

> The voting for the t-shirt on the web site is being removed due to
> several people cheating.
>
> Nearly 10 people have cheated and voted multiple times. One person
> even voted 9 times. The voting results are going in the trash
> since it seems that some of the list members can't be honest about
> this.
>
> I knew there was a potential for cheating because I use IPs instead
> of cookies to track who voted. All most users have to do is hang
> up, dial in and they have another IP. However, its quite obvious
> whats going on when we have several users on the list with an uncommon
> host address and their host address shows up many times in the IP log.
>
> Once I have a solution to prevent dishonesty, I'll let everyone know.
>
> Ken,
> Admin
>

Ken,

It is a shame that some people resort to cheating but that seems to be
a fact of life today. :-( Why don't you have some impartial person decide
who wins, maybe your mother in-law. This would save you the hassel of
figuring out a way to stop cheaters.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:38:37 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Week 41 commodities

It is the estimated Maximum percentage of orders with that option that will
get scheduled. It has nothing to do with what is already scheduled or
built.

Nathan

- -----Original Message-----
From: Alan Wilson
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, October 15, 1998 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Week 41 commodities


>What does "Build Percentages" mean? Is this the % of projected stock on
>hand?


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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:01:54 -0500
From: "Jack B"
Subject: FTE 97up - DRL's (Daytime Running Lights)

I read in my 99 F150 manual a reference to DRL's in Ford vehicles. It says
something to the effect "if equipped" . Does this mean that you can add
DRL's to the F150? If so how and what is the part number.

Thanks Jack



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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:11:39 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - DRL's (Daytime Running Lights)

The base part number is 13B218. They usually run about $40 and are
available for about any Ford vehicle. We've only put them on 1 Super Duty
(for snow plow apps, nobody else seems to like them- I have even had people
refuse to buy GM because of them). They weren't too bad to put on but it
takes some time to figure out.

Nathan Bernard

- -----Original Message-----
From: Jack B
To: Late-Model F-150 Mailing List ; 97 Ford Trucks

Date: Thursday, October 15, 1998 4:23 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - DRL's (Daytime Running Lights)


>I read in my 99 F150 manual a reference to DRL's in Ford vehicles. It says
>something to the effect "if equipped" . Does this mean that you can add
>DRL's to the F150? If so how and what is the part number.
>
>Thanks Jack
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:40:53 -0400
From: NCTOOLMAN
Subject: FTE 97up - '99 f550

BoB, There is a solution to MPG and power for your power-stroke.
Superchips has the only chip available for new and older 7.3's. The new
ones can get a 50HP and 100lbs. of torque increase. Seems hard to
believe but they have done it. I think the MPG increase is about 3 to 4>
Not bad but the price is a killer! Around 5 BIG ONE's !!!!
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:59:35 -0500
From: "Jack"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - DRL's (Daytime Running Lights)

thanks Nathan!
What type of part is this? Is it an adapter, relay, switch or what?

Jack
- -----Original Message-----
From: Union Auto
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, October 15, 1998 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - DRL's (Daytime Running Lights)


>The base part number is 13B218. They usually run about $40 and are
>available for about any Ford vehicle. We've only put them on 1 Super Duty
>(for snow plow apps, nobody else seems to like them- I have even had people
>refuse to buy GM because of them). They weren't too bad to put on but it
>takes some time to figure out.
>
>Nathan Bernard
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jack B
>To: Late-Model F-150 Mailing List ; 97 Ford
Trucks
>
>Date: Thursday, October 15, 1998 4:23 PM
>Subject: FTE 97up - DRL's (Daytime Running Lights)
>
>
>>I read in my 99 F150 manual a reference to DRL's in Ford vehicles. It
says
>>something to the effect "if equipped" . Does this mean that you can add
>>DRL's to the F150? If so how and what is the part number.
>>
>>Thanks Jack




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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:16:38 -0700
From: "Michael D. Sheridan"
Subject: FTE 97up - Ford Ranger vs. Mazda Pick up

Group:

Here is what I can't quite understand. The Ford Ranger
and the Mazda pick up are supposed to be the same thing
with merely a different body style.

First, Am I correct in this? Then if they are the same which
would be the best of the two?

Thanking you in advance.

Michael
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 21:06:51 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - DRL's (Daytime Running Lights)

It hooks into the factory wiring and includes the necessary relays and
wiring.

Nathan

- -----Original Message-----
From: Jack
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, October 15, 1998 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - DRL's (Daytime Running Lights)


>thanks Nathan!
>What type of part is this? Is it an adapter, relay, switch or what?
>
>Jack


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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 21:11:53 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Ford Ranger vs. Mazda Pick up

It depends on what you want and where you live. The Ranger can be worked on
by any Ford dealership which means if you have trouble odds are your within
20 miles of a Ford dealer. Mazda doesn't have nearly as large of dealer
network (It's an hour drive to the nearest one to me) so service work could
be a problem. Also the pricing of the vehicles is so they don't compete
against each other very much. See which one prices out better the way you
want it (The same is true of the Mercury Villager and Nissan Quest)

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

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To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, October 15, 1998 8:30 PM....


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