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In this issue:

FTE 97up - Messed UP Paint
FTE 97up - 4.2 K&N Filter Replacement (Gas miles)
RE: FTE 97up - 4.2 K&N Filter Replacement (Gas miles)
Re: FTE 97up - 4.2 K&N Filter Replacement (Gas miles)
Re: FTE 97up - 4.2 K&N Filter Replacement (Gas mileage)
FTE 97up - New hood.
FTE 97up - K&N Generation II
FTE 97up - 150 vs 250SD, 4x4 SC LB
Re: FTE 97up - New hood.
FTE 97up - ADMIN: September Archives
Re: FTE 97up - K&N Generation II
Re: FTE 97up - 150 vs 250SD, 4x4 SC LB

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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:05:01 EDT
From: JDavis1277 aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Messed UP Paint

Just before GEORGES ruined our week we spent a week at a campground in
Florida. I parked out truck under some nice longleaf pine trees.

BIG MISTAKE!! I got a lot of pitch on the truck. It is very hard to remove.
I tried WD-40, soap, polish, wax, etc. which was a waste of time and effort.
Finally I found a can of "OOPS!" in the shed. It worked like a charm on my
white non-clearcoat paint. Took about 1/2 hour to get the gunk off followed
by a wash job and touch up wax.

The OOPS! worked well for me, but take it easy so you don't get through the
paint.

Butch Davis-
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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 09:48:44 -0700
From: Ahmed Cruz
Subject: FTE 97up - 4.2 K&N Filter Replacement (Gas miles)

Hi David, I was wondering what it is your average gas miles in your 4.2L? I
also have one 4.2L and I am getting 14.4 city & highway combination and
15.4 in the highway. I took it to the dealer I they said it nothing wrong
with the truck.
Thank, Ahmed
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>
>Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 23:23:31 -0700 (PDT)
>From: David Whipkey
>Subject: FTE 97up - 4.2L K&N Filter Replacement?
>
> I was wondering if anyone out there has a 4.2L V6 and if they've put
>an aftermarket catback exhaust on it. I was also wondering if anyone
>has found a K&N filter for their 4.2L rig?
> I have always had V8s and though I assume these improvements help
>some, I'm not sure how much on a V6. I bought the wife a new F-150
>shorty and didn't think she needed the V8. I was right, I am shocked
>at how much "snot" this engine has.........and it's getting good
>mileage too!!!!!
>
>Thanks,
>Dave
>_________________________________________________________


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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:33:14 -0700
From: "Johnson, John"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - 4.2 K&N Filter Replacement (Gas miles)

Surely there is a problem! I have a 4.6 and I get 16 city/highway
combined and 17+ highway. The six should be better, no?

JJ

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> From: Ahmed Cruz[SMTP:acruz qualcomm.com]
> Reply To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Sent: Friday, October 09, 1998 9:48 AM
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 97up - 4.2 K&N Filter Replacement (Gas miles)
>
> Hi David, I was wondering what it is your average gas miles in your
> 4.2L? I
> also have one 4.2L and I am getting 14.4 city & highway combination
> and
> 15.4 in the highway. I took it to the dealer I they said it nothing
> wrong
> with the truck.
> Thank, Ahmed
> >------------------------------
> >
> >Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 23:23:31 -0700 (PDT)
> >From: David Whipkey
> >Subject: FTE 97up - 4.2L K&N Filter Replacement?
> >
> > I was wondering if anyone out there has a 4.2L V6 and if they've
> put
> >an aftermarket catback exhaust on it. I was also wondering if anyone
> >has found a K&N filter for their 4.2L rig?
> > I have always had V8s and though I assume these improvements help
> >some, I'm not sure how much on a V6. I bought the wife a new F-150
> >shorty and didn't think she needed the V8. I was right, I am shocked
> >at how much "snot" this engine has.........and it's getting good
> >mileage too!!!!!
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Dave
> >_________________________________________________________
>
>
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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:49:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Whipkey
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 4.2 K&N Filter Replacement (Gas miles)

I haven't checked my mileage per se, I just seem to be doing pretty
well.




- ---Ahmed Cruz wrote:
>
> Hi David, I was wondering what it is your average gas miles in your
4.2L? I
> also have one 4.2L and I am getting 14.4 city & highway combination
and
> 15.4 in the highway. I took it to the dealer I they said it nothing
wrong
> with the truck.
> Thank, Ahmed
> >------------------------------
> >
> >Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 23:23:31 -0700 (PDT)
> >From: David Whipkey
> >Subject: FTE 97up - 4.2L K&N Filter Replacement?
> >
> > I was wondering if anyone out there has a 4.2L V6 and if they've
put
> >an aftermarket catback exhaust on it. I was also wondering if anyone
> >has found a K&N filter for their 4.2L rig?
> > I have always had V8s and though I assume these improvements help
> >some, I'm not sure how much on a V6. I bought the wife a new F-150
> >shorty and didn't think she needed the V8. I was right, I am shocked
> >at how much "snot" this engine has.........and it's getting good
> >mileage too!!!!!
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Dave
> >_________________________________________________________
>
>
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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 11:57:53 -0700
From: Danny Gaudenti
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 4.2 K&N Filter Replacement (Gas mileage)

The K&N part number for the V6 is the same as for the V8s, E-0945.

I'm not going to put a cat-back on my truck, I'm just going to replace the
muffler and bring a short tail pipe out to the side. The stock pipe
diameter is plenty big for this engine, I see no need to replace the pipes.
I'm also going to cut open the "dirty" side of the air box so the filter
element is completely exposed. That's gotta help it breath easier.

I've got a 5-sp, short-bed, regular-cab Std with only A/C and speed
control. The lowest mileage I've ever measured was 16 MPG and that was on
the first tank of gas. I usually get 18-20 in mixed driving. I've got 21
MPG a few times when I spent more than the usual time on the highway.
Unfortunately, I haven't done all highway or all city so I haven't been
able to measure those. 14-15 MPG sounds way too low, unless you've got a
super-cab, long-bed, with an auto and all the options. Or maybe it's the
way it's being driven?

Danny


>Hi David, I was wondering what it is your average gas miles in your 4.2L? I
>also have one 4.2L and I am getting 14.4 city & highway combination and
>15.4 in the highway. I took it to the dealer I they said it nothing wrong
>with the truck.
>Thank, Ahmed
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 23:23:31 -0700 (PDT)
>>From: David Whipkey
>>Subject: FTE 97up - 4.2L K&N Filter Replacement?
>>
>> I was wondering if anyone out there has a 4.2L V6 and if they've put
>>an aftermarket catback exhaust on it. I was also wondering if anyone
>>has found a K&N filter for their 4.2L rig?
>> I have always had V8s and though I assume these improvements help
>>some, I'm not sure how much on a V6. I bought the wife a new F-150
>>shorty and didn't think she needed the V8. I was right, I am shocked
>>at how much "snot" this engine has.........and it's getting good
>>mileage too!!!!!
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Dave

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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:54:42 -0700
From: "Sohmer"
Subject: FTE 97up - New hood.

Hello everyone. I recently wrecked my '97 F-150 completely ruining the
hood, bumper, spoiler etc. I have been wanting to put a cowl-induction type
hood on the truck and I am going to take this opportunity to do so. I have
seen a couple on-line at Carsinis and American Auto Designs. Does anyone
know of anywhere else to look or has anyone had dealings with these two
companies? Any info you have would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Dave
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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:44:28 -0400
From: "Anne Mitchell"
Subject: FTE 97up - K&N Generation II

Has anyone installed one of the K&N filter chargers for the 4.6L V8 or 5.4L
V8? They eliminate the airfilter box and expose the filter completely to
the engine compartment. If engines run better on cooler more dense air,
wouldn't sucking air directly from the hot engine compartment tend to lessen
horsepower? I believe the stock air box sucks air from the wheel well which
would tend to be cooler. I can't decide whether to spend $45 on a stock K&N
filter or $200 on the fancy application.

Stephen Mitchell

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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:31:10 EDT
From: PaulinMO aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - 150 vs 250SD, 4x4 SC LB

Hi all. I have enjoyed this forum, especially as I weigh the factors on buying
my next truck. Right now it's a question of the 150 vs. 250SD. Either way, it
will be a 4x4 SC long bed. Here's how it breaks down for me...

Reasons to lean towards the 150:
1. Better gas mileage than the 250 (but how MUCH better)?
2. Slightly better ride (but geez, they all still ride like a truck, after
all, it IS a truck....)
3. The 250 bed is higher, and it seems someone here commented that the height
might be a problem if I ever buy a 5th wheel camper to go with it...(IS this a
problem on the 250?)
4. Some nice standard features, such as 4 wheel ABS, electric mirrors, fog
lights, etc. on the 150
5. Other reasons?

Reasons to go for the 250:
1. More truck for the money: they are priced reasonably close to the 150s,
given the consumer demand for 150s. So, more heavy duty parts that will wear
longer under normal usage.....
2. The larger payload. Not that I really NEED it, but I always like to keep my
options open... Would you put a camper shell on this (high) truck??
3. From what I've read, maybe a better auto transmission in this model.
4. Other reasons??

I don't follow the ins and outs of this stuff as much as many of you do, so
some of this may sound naive. Please help me out here. I'm looking to use the
truck for hauling firewood around the farm, going to farm auctions, the
occasional vacation..... I don't have a camper of any kind now, but might look
into something in the future, so my needs there are hard to call.

By the way, I deleted a post accidently from a week or two ago where someone
mentioned a special price on some kind of 250 package or option that their
dealer didn't know about. In the post, they mentioned how this brought the
cost of the 250 even closer to the cost of the 150. Does anyone recall that
post? If so, I would really appreciate an email about it. Thanks gang!




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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:11:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Whipkey
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - New hood.

Pick up (no pun intended) a Truckin' magazine. I saw about 5
different hoods for your truck in there. Glad to see you're turning a
sh!tty situation into an advantage.

Good Luck !!!!




- ---Sohmer wrote:
>
> Hello everyone. I recently wrecked my '97 F-150 completely ruining the
> hood, bumper, spoiler etc. I have been wanting to put a
cowl-induction type
> hood on the truck and I am going to take this opportunity to do so.
I have
> seen a couple on-line at Carsinis and American Auto Designs. Does
anyone
> know of anywhere else to look or has anyone had dealings with these
two
> companies? Any info you have would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
>
> Dave
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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 22:59:41 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: September Archives

September list archives are now on the web site.

Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 22:24:11 -0700
From: Danny Gaudenti
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - K&N Generation II

You could do as I mentioned in a previouse post...cut away the airbox to
leave the K&N filter exposed. It's probably not as good as replacing the
entire assembly with the K&N part, but couldn't be that much worse (and a
lot cheaper). The stock air box does suck cool air from a hole in the
wheel-well, but that hole is pretty small. I don't think an open air
filter would only suck hot engine air. If you look under the hood as you
close it, you can see that a space remains between the underside of the
hood and the radiator frame. That space will let plenty of cool air hit
the air filter when the truck is moving. All of the above is, of course,
only IMHO. Comments?

Danny

>Has anyone installed one of the K&N filter chargers for the 4.6L V8 or 5.4L
>V8? They eliminate the airfilter box and expose the filter completely to
>the engine compartment. If engines run better on cooler more dense air,
>wouldn't sucking air directly from the hot engine compartment tend to lessen
>horsepower? I believe the stock air box sucks air from the wheel well which
>would tend to be cooler. I can't decide whether to spend $45 on a stock K&N
>filter or $200 on the fancy application.
>
>Stephen Mitchell

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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:26:50 -0700
From: Rob Bryan
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 150 vs 250SD, 4x4 SC LB

I have almost always found that when someone is in this dilemma, they
haven't looked at the F250LD, which is basically a heavy-duty F150. It
seems that it would be perfect in this case. Unless you plan on using this
truck to wow most of the time, a medium-duty truck (i.e. superduty
F-series) is overkill and you'd be better off on a light-duty one.

Good luck!
Rob


At 6:31 PM -0400 10/09/98, PaulinMO aol.com wrote:
>Hi all. I have enjoyed this forum, especially as I weigh the factors on buying
>my next truck. Right now it's a question of the 150 vs. 250SD. Either way, it
>will be a 4x4 SC long bed. Here's how it breaks down for me...
>
>Reasons to lean towards the 150:
>1. Better gas mileage than the 250 (but how MUCH better)?
>2. Slightly better ride (but geez, they all still ride like a truck, after
>all, it IS a truck....)
>3. The 250 bed is higher, and it seems someone here commented that the height
>might be a problem if I ever buy a 5th wheel camper to go with it...(IS this a
>problem on the 250?)
>4. Some nice standard features, such as 4 wheel ABS, electric mirrors, fog
>lights, etc. on the 150
>5. Other reasons?
>
>Reasons to go for the 250:
>1. More truck for the money: they are priced reasonably close to the 150s,
>given the consumer demand for 150s. So, more heavy duty parts that will wear
>longer under normal usage.....
>2. The larger payload. Not that I really NEED it, but I always like to keep my
>options open... Would you put a camper shell on this (high) truck??
>3. From what I've read, maybe a better auto transmission in this model.
>4. Other reasons??
>
>I don't follow the ins and outs of this stuff as much as many of you do, so
>some of this may sound naive. Please help me out here. I'm looking to use the
>truck for hauling firewood around the farm, going to farm auctions, the
>occasional vacation..... I don't have a camper of any kind now, but might look
>into something in the future, so my needs there are hard to call.
>
>By the way, I deleted a post accidently from a week or two ago where someone
>mentioned a special price on some kind of 250 package or option that their
>dealer didn't know about. In the post, they mentioned how this brought the....


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