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97up-list-digest Friday, October 9 1998 Volume 01 : Number 240



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In this issue:

RE: FTE 97up - Leaning to a SD 250 CrewCab
Re: FTE 97up - 99 F150 Sport Package
FTE 97up - Re: spare tire
FTE 97up - Week #40 Commodities
FTE 97up - 1999 GM power curves
FTE 97up - Super Duty V-10
Re: FTE 97up - Super Duty V-10
FTE 97up - 99 F150 Sport Package
Re: FTE 97up - 99 F150 Sport Package
Re: FTE 97up - Leaning to a SD 250 CrewCab
FTE 97up - 99 Explorer lift - rearend
FTE 97up - 4.2L K&N Filter Replacement?

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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 07:16:34 -0700
From: "Johnson, John"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Leaning to a SD 250 CrewCab

Hello Harry,

I'm curious why you blame the Wrangler for your woes. Did your
wife have a truck before? My wife
drives a Wrangler and we love it. It's a great toy but that's
about all it is. We also have two Ford
trucks and get along fine. The '98 F150, 281 c.i. gets me to
work and back and goes on most long
trips. The '79 F250 460 does the work: hauls hay, tows the
horse trailer, etc. The Wrangle goes
four-wheeling and gets my wife to the grocery and back. What
were you hoping yours would do?

JJ


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> From: Harry W. Spencer[SMTP:spencer mo-net.com]
> Reply To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 1998 6:16 PM
> To: '97up-list ford-trucks.com'
> Subject: FTE 97up - Leaning to a SD 250 CrewCab
>
> Things were great in my household until my wife bought a Jeep
> Wrangler. Now I need to buy a vehicle that fills in the gaps, and
> there seem to be a lot of them. We need a multi-passenger vehicle for
> 200-5000 mile trips. A vehicle to haul lumber and cement sacks and
> other larger items on a monthly basis. Something that will tow a
> trailer, not yet owned, in the 5000-7000 LB range. And, of course, we
> would like for this to be economical, maneuverable and have resale
> value.
>
> I lean to a SD 250 Crew Cab SB 4X4, V10 3.73 with automatic tranny. A
> little hard to maneuver, but so is an Expedition pulling a utility
> trailer. Do any of you have a good feel as what the expected MPG
> would be on the highway, no tow? My feeling is that if the mileage is
> acceptable, 14-16 range, then the resale would be much higher with the
> V10 over the 5.4L. (I have had one diesel too many, so have
> eliminated that choice.)
>
> I have looked at several lots in the area and fail to find a SD with
> Captains Seats and console. Is there something wrong with this
> combination that I should know about? Also find it interesting that a
> Lariat with cloth seats costs $600 more than the same with leather! I
> have always felt that cloth is more comfortable for traveling.
>
> My experience with a 1991 E4OD transmission is not pleasant. Is the
> 4R100 basically the same animal? Have there been significant
> improvements and I should expect long life?
>
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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:19:07 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 F150 Sport Package

The 1999 Sport package is:

XL- (Order code 94S) 4x2 $406 invoice $495 sticker
4x4 $488 invoice $595 sticker

available on Regular cab 4x2 or 4x4 with 4.2L and supercab 4x2 with 4.2L and
4x4 with 4.6L

has "Sport" or "Sport 4X4" decal
255/70/16 OWL All season tires (All terrain optional on 4x4)
3.55 Axle ratio
Fog lamps and Tachometer (4X4 only)
"Egg Crate" grille insert (color)
Color Keyed bumper, rear bumper, bumper top cap, mirror skull caps

XLT- (Order code 94T) $488 invoice $595 sticker
available on 4x4 Regular cab with 4.2L 5 Speed, Regular or Supercab 4.6L 4x2
or 4x4 any transmission, It lists 5.4L but the computer says its not
available.

has "Sport" or Sport 4x4" decal
17" cast aluminum wheels- same as 1998 Off Road or STX
275/60R17 All Season OWL tires (4x2) -I'm not sure about the OWL never
available before but listed now
265/70R17 All Terrain OWL (4x4)
Fog Lamps (4x4)
"honeycomb" grille insert (Black)
color keyed- Bumper, rear bumper, Bumper top cap, Mirror Skull caps

This option will not begin production until November 2, 1998
They are available in Bright Red, White, Silver, and Black


Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc
Union, IA 50258



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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:14:02 -0700
From: "Harald"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: spare tire

I didn't order a spare for my 99 F350 either because at the time Kelly blue
books web page listed spare as a standard option on my truck. I assumed
that the spare option was for the crank down carrier and aluminum wheel.
Wrong! My dealer was nice enough to order the carrier assembly and wheel at
cost for me. Can't remember the exact cost, but the parts and a new tire
from the local Firestone dealer ended up costing the same as if I had
ordered the option. The wheel is steel and is different bolt pattern than
previous trucks. I didn't even price a aluminum wheel. I imagine if you
have to ask you can't afford it (and probably can't get one either). Maybe
your dealer would order one for you at cost? Can't hurt to ask.

Sincerely,
Harald Stenger


"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Ben Franklin

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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:31:41 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: FTE 97up - Week #40 Commodities

The following are the remaining commodities for week #40 after this mornings
preview. (Kansas City Region, others should be similar)

Windstar-
SEL not available at this time
3 door 12%

Expedition-
Production Exhausted for the week

Explorer-
4.0L OHV and 5.0L exhausted for the week

Econoline-
6.8L exhausted for the week

Ranger-
4 door supercab, Premium stereo (58K), and 2.5L exhausted for the
week

Lt. Duty F-Series-
4.6L, 5.4L, 4.2L auto, and CD+Cass (585) all exhausted for the week

Super Duty F-Series
Limited options--
Lariat Trim
Prem. Aluminum wheels (SRW)
F-350 DRW pickup

Unlimited options
Total pickups
7.3L manual

No Options remaining for the week
Total 6.8L V-10
Chas. Cab F-350 DRW
Tutone
Cass+CD radio (58K)
F-250/350 4x4 SRW
Automatic transmission
Crew Cabs
7.3L automatic

For additional Super Duties (over your allocation) order the following and
they have a good chance of scheduling.

Reg. or Supercab F-250/350 SRW 4x2 5.4L manual or 7.3L
manual
Reg. or Supercab F-350 DRW 4x4 7.3L manual
Reg or super Chassis cab F-350 4x2 7.3L manual
Chassis Cab 450/550 4x2 or 4x4 7.3L manual


Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.


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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:48:37 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: FTE 97up - 1999 GM power curves

Has anyone seen a graph that has the horsepower and torque outputs of the
new GM V-8s (5.3L and 6.0L especially). I would like to have these as sales
tools to show how peaky the GM engines are (they always have been in the
past, and from what I've heard these are even worse), but I haven't found
anything any where. Are they so bad at low RPM's that Chevy won't release
this info?

Nathan

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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:07:42 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: FTE 97up - Super Duty V-10

Just got a new revision to the ordering guide. F-250 Super Duty's with the
V-10 can now get a 3.73 Limited slip axle (previously not available in LS
except in F-350).

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.


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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 16:21:13 -0400
From: Chad Royse
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Super Duty V-10

Now if I could just talk Ford into an even swap for the 4.30's I really don't
need! ;)

Union Auto wrote:

> Just got a new revision to the ordering guide. F-250 Super Duty's with the
> V-10 can now get a 3.73 Limited slip axle (previously not available in LS
> except in F-350).
>
> Nathan Bernard
> Union Auto, Inc.

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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 15:25:57 -0500
From: John Walker
Subject: FTE 97up - 99 F150 Sport Package

Nathan,

I ordered my 99 XLT Sport Reg Cab, SB, 4.6L/5-Speed on September 14. My
dealer also said that there is a production hold until November 2. From
your experience with Ford, when do you think would be a reasonable time to
expect delivery?

Thanks in advance,

John Walker


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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:57:39 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 F150 Sport Package

I would GUESS that it should be built the first or second week of production
and then shipped. You should have it in early Dec. possibly the middle of
the month depending on where you are located. This is all pending that
nothing goes wrong (I.E. Off Roads are short due to a lack of wheels).

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

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From: John Walker
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, October 08, 1998 3:41 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - 99 F150 Sport Package


>Nathan,
>
>I ordered my 99 XLT Sport Reg Cab, SB, 4.6L/5-Speed on September 14. My
>dealer also said that there is a production hold until November 2. From
>your experience with Ford, when do you think would be a reasonable time to
>expect delivery?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>John Walker
>
>
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 14:11:35 -0700
From: johny
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Leaning to a SD 250 CrewCab

Maybe a 250 is adequate.
Payload considerations may not be an issue, or
may have not been studied well.

One can always buy a bigger trailer, 5th wheel, or boat...:-).

Let's take your vehicle as an example.
If you get the supplemental options/payload guide (not the correct name),
there are weights for various options. On a 99 crew cab with a PSD and SRW,
you can quickly get youself to about a rated payload of about 1600 lbs.
Not a lot of room, when you start adding extra bodies, and stuff, such as
camping equipment, toys, food/water, pin weight from a 5th wheel, or
load from a trailer.... Or a 2000, to 3000 lb truck camper.

This may be an adequate payload for many.

To be sure, these trucks, are overbuilt, and I've heard stories of folks
overloading, and towing loads in excess of the GVWR. Many have evidence
that the vehicles have held up fine, and suffer no adverse effects.

The isssue may arise in an emergency situation. Panic stops and manuevers.
Can the brakes and suspension handle it? Maybe. Probably.
(I'm not even gonna consider the area, when someone gets hurt, and
lawyers get involved...)

In general, when you run the system at capacity or over capacity, you are at
risk of earlier failure. It's just way cheaper to get this suff adressed up front, than
trying to beef up the vehicle later.

There is also another catch. The heavier duty vehicle, also weighs more.
If you use the GVWR, as a cut off, the heavier duty vehicle also tows
less, just because the vehicle weighs more.
EG: take a equally equipped 350 SRW, and 350 DRW. Attach a 13,000
- -14,000 lbs trailer to it. The SRW setup may be rated to tow more just
because it weighs less. Should you do it that way? Probably not, there
may be stability issues, that need to be addressed.

What's my point? I guess only that there are a number of items to consider.
Some are more obvious than others. Way to many folks don't consider this
up front, and wonder how to mod the truck to carry more, go faster, etc..
After market folks just love this :-).




geoff campbell wrote:

> i'd stick with the 250. Payload doesn't seem to be an issue here and towing capacity is (i believe) exactly the same. Either on would be well under capacity.
>
> geoff
>
> 99 PSD Crew Cab 250 l/b
>
> johny wrote:
>
> > Harry W. Spencer wrote:
> >
> > > Things were great in my household until my wife bought a Jeep Wrangler. Now I need to buy a vehicle that fills in the gaps, and there seem to be a lot of them. We need a multi-passenger vehicle for 200-5000 mile trips. A vehicle to haul lumber and cement sacks and other larger items on a monthly basis. Something that will tow a trailer, not yet owned, in the 5000-7000 LB range. And, of course, we would like for this to be economical, maneuverable and have resale value.
> > >
> >
> > Economical? Well maybe if you don't include the purchase price :-).Maneuverable? Compared to a Suburban? Maybe...
> >
> > At minimum, i'd up the ante to a F350. Assuming SRW (single rear wheel),
> > you get about 900 lbs of payload over the F250, depending on the exact
> > options included. The ride is remarkable for this class of vehicle,
> > and I don't think the 350 will suffer.
> >
> > See here for Payload info:
> > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.meadowlandford.com/traileri.htm
> >
> > To get 14-16 MPG on *any* superduty, you'd have to do go Diesel.
> > 5.4 might get you there, but you'll be unhappy in towing situations.
> > V10 is reported in the 12's best case, unloaded. Down in the 9's loaded.
> >
> > You don't mention which diesel left the bad taste in your mouth, but if you
> > haven't looked at a power Stroke in the last 2-3 years, you owe youself
> > a look.
> >
> > See here for Power Stroke specifics:
> > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.abol.com/users/jlester/
> >
> > As for the price differences, the leather PEP package on the lariat includes a
> > bunch of items that could account for the $600.00 price on the non-leather
> > lariat, if all other options were the same.
> >
> > See here for invoice/retail prices:
> > www.edmunds.com
> > www.kbb.com
> >
> > And while the transmission is basically a upgraded E40D, Automatics are
> > automatics. Compared to a manual, an automatic has more parts.
> > There are "care and feeding tips" for the auto, that significanly increase
> > the life of it. Regular Fluid changes, synthetic ATF fluid, trans temp
> > monitor come to mind.
> >
> > See here for some 4r100 field trial info:
> > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ford.com/motorsport/2-6tech.html
> >
> > That all being said, I have a 99 F350 SC 4x4 PSD 3.73 SRW SB.
> > Oh and with an Automatic, and manual locking hubs, and damn near
> > every tow/payload option. It's one fun truck :-).
> >
> > Hope this helps,
> > -john
> >
> > > I lean to a SD 250 Crew Cab SB 4X4, V10 3.73 with automatic tranny. A little hard to maneuver, but so is an Expedition pulling a utility trailer. Do any of you have a good feel as what the expected MPG would be on the highway, no tow? My feeling is that if the mileage is acceptable, 14-16 range, then the resale would be much higher with the V10 over the 5.4L. (I have had one diesel too many, so have eliminated that choice.)
> > >
> > > I have looked at several lots in the area and fail to find a SD with Captains Seats and console. Is there something wrong with this combination that I should know about? Also find it interesting that a Lariat with cloth seats costs $600 more than the same with leather! I have always felt that cloth is more comfortable for traveling.
> > >
> > > My experience with a 1991 E4OD transmission is not pleasant. Is the 4R100 basically the same animal? Have there been significant improvements and I should expect long life?
> > >
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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 22:01:57 -0400
From: "Brad Harris"
Subject: FTE 97up - 99 Explorer lift - rearend

I just bought a 99 Explorer and want to get rid of that rearend sag that
Ford put on them. Would the best way to do this be getting one of those
Add-a-leaf kits?

Thanks,
Brad

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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 23:23:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Whipkey
Subject: FTE 97up - 4.2L K&N Filter Replacement?

I was wondering if anyone out there has a 4.2L V6 and if they've put
an aftermarket catback exhaust on it. I was also wondering if anyone
has found a K&N filter for their 4.2L rig?
I have always had V8s and though I assume these improvements help....


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