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In this issue:

FTE 97up - spare tire
Re: FTE 97up - 4x4 supercabs, other f150 list
Re: FTE 97up - 4x4 supercabs, other f150 list
RE: FTE 97up - Bed Liner Quality and Appearance
Re: FTE 97up - 4x4 supercabs, other f150 list
Re: FTE 97up - 4x4 supercabs, other f150 list
Re: FTE 97up - spare tire
FTE 97up - Misc 97 F-350 questions
FTE 97up - Re:Manual Trans repairs
FTE 97up - Leaning to a SD 250 CrewCab
Re: FTE 97up - Leaning to a SD 250 CrewCab
FTE 97up - 99 F150 Sport Package
Re: FTE 97up - 4x4 supercabs, other f150 list
Re: FTE 97up - 4x4 supercabs, other f150 list
Re: FTE 97up - Leaning to a SD 250 CrewCab

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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 12:07:58 -0500
From: Janster
Subject: FTE 97up - spare tire

Hi Folks,

When I was ordering my '99, F250SD, 4x4, SC, SWB, Larait, I didn't order
the spare tire w/ included carrier. I have a friend who had the same
size rim and tire he said he'd give me. When I took delivery of my new
truck, I went to get the tire from my friend. It turned out that it was
bald and the rim was heavily rusted. Now I'm kicking myself in the rear
for not ordering the original setup. I was going to go order one, but
then thought that aftermarket dealers might have the same thing for a
cheaper price. Anybody have any thoughts, clues, or advice on this?

Rusted spare tire man

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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 13:59:30 -0400
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 4x4 supercabs, other f150 list

Jordan Rautiola wrote:

> Has anyone noticed the trend over the past 10 years away from long bed
> 4x4 supercabs to short beds? In the '70s and most of the '80s I rarely
> saw (at least in northern Michigan) short bed supercabs. Now they are
> everywhere, as if truck buyers have become "cattle" like the masses that
> have moved into minivans and away from the all but forgotten station
> wagon. Have garages become smaller in the past 15 years? Do people
> haul less now? The most educated guess I would have is that people who
> don't NEED a truck are buying them anyway, to be cool, tough, etc. The
> SUV fad likely is responsible as well. My own reasons for ordering a
> '99 long bed 4x4 SC XLT 5.4L (ARE cap to follow) are because I tow my
> 2500lb boat/trailer combo almost every weekend during the summer, go
> camping with the dog, and during these times I haul quite a bit of stuff
> (camping gear, tool boxes, racing fuel, boating accessories, etc), and I
> can't imagine not having a full 8 feet of bed space. Could some of you
> out there who ordered the short bed (which is likely 98% of 4x4 owners)
> describe your reasoning behind that decision? Try to find a 4x4 SC long
> bed on a dealer lot (that may have something to do with the short bed's
> popularity as well)! I'm looking forward to getting in the new '99. I
> really enjoy reading this list and hearing about people's experiences
> and ideas.
>
> PS - I get "not deliverable" when sending messages to
> f150list hitchhikers.net. Any explanations?
>

Jorden,

My first ever truck was a 1997 f-150 XLT SC 4x4 short bed. I didn't
have the extra $$$ for the long bed. I didn't like the look of the long bed
and the short bed is easier for me to handle off road.

Hitchhikers.net seem to have hangups/problems with Unsolicited Bulk
E-mail. So when they get too much of it they refuse access to the offending
senders provider. So far I have been banned from the f150 list via
Sympatico and Hotmail. Try opening up an account with mailcity at
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.lycos.com That is where I e-mail my f150 online responces from.
Fortunately I can still use Sympatico and Netscape Communicator for this
list.

Regards

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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 15:32:35 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 4x4 supercabs, other f150 list

>
>Jorden,
>
> My first ever truck was a 1997 f-150 XLT SC 4x4 short bed. I didn't
>have the extra $$$ for the long bed. I didn't like the look of the long bed
>and the short bed is easier for me to handle off road.
>
> Hitchhikers.net seem to have hangups/problems with Unsolicited Bulk
>E-mail. So when they get too much of it they refuse access to the offending
>senders provider. So far I have been banned from the f150 list via
>Sympatico and Hotmail. Try opening up an account with mailcity at
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.lycos.com That is where I e-mail my f150 online responces from.
>Fortunately I can still use Sympatico and Netscape Communicator for this
>list.
>
>Regards
>
>Jean Marc Chartier
>

FTE doesn't have this problem because we use a verification system for
subscriptions. It prevents 99.99% all spam postings. Our system blocks
at least one spammer a day and as many as 10. Also, at a low level we
use the spammers.db file with our sendmail server. This database is
updated once every two weeks and prevents spam while letting legit posts
through.

Just an FYI for those who might be curious.

Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

PS. I forgot to mention this to this group. Keith Srb is now handling
many of the of admin cores for the 1997 and newer truck group.

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:47:06 -0500
From: "John A. Fortune"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Bed Liner Quality and Appearance

I bought my first Ford F150 this past July for towing a travel
trailer and my daily ride to work. One of the first things I did was
purchase a Duraliner bed liner. Previously I had two Chevy S-10
trucks and had installed Duraliners in both.

I have hauled fire wood, mulch, sand, gravel and household
furnishings. The liner is easy to clean and I use boards and/or mats
when I don't want something to slide around. Once or twice a year I
remove the liner to clean both the truck bed and the underside of the
liner. Yes, you will get some paint rubbed off but you only see that
if the liner is out.

The liner is held in place with provided longer screws that install
at the tie-downs. The tailgate liner is held in place with existing
hardware and one self adhesive strip at the bottom.

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 17:43:13 EDT
From: BigFords1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 4x4 supercabs, other f150 list

I got mine so it wouldn't be so long, and so it could manuever better off-
road.
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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 17:44:28 EDT
From: BigFords1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 4x4 supercabs, other f150 list

In my area (around Salt Lake City) there are much much more ext. cab long
beds than there are ext. cab short beds.
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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:48:35 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - spare tire

I haven't checked lately, but about a month ago nobody but Ford offered
wheels for the Super Duty. I think Alcoa might offer aluminum wheels, but I
couldn't find any steel. They are a different bolt pattern. The Spare
wheel is about $90 (I think dealer cost is about $65), and I haven't priced
a carrier (nobody leaves the spare underneath around here), but I bet you
can get the whole set-up for about the same price as if you ordered it on
the truck (maybe less their awfully proud of the spare tire option based on
the price.)

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

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From: Janster
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, October 07, 1998 1:19 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - spare tire


>Hi Folks,
>
>When I was ordering my '99, F250SD, 4x4, SC, SWB, Larait, I didn't order
>the spare tire w/ included carrier. I have a friend who had the same
>size rim and tire he said he'd give me. When I took delivery of my new
>truck, I went to get the tire from my friend. It turned out that it was
>bald and the rim was heavily rusted. Now I'm kicking myself in the rear
>for not ordering the original setup. I was going to go order one, but
>then thought that aftermarket dealers might have the same thing for a
>cheaper price. Anybody have any thoughts, clues, or advice on this?
>
>Rusted spare tire man
>
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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 15:36:50 -0700
From: Janowski
Subject: FTE 97up - Misc 97 F-350 questions

Hi all,
I have been receiving this list now for awhile and I have some
questions to ask and thoughts to share.
My truck is a 1997 F-350 Crew Cab 4x4 PSD. Some of the problems I
have had with this rig were a broken vacuum switch for my heater. Of
course this broke on my way home from duck hunting when my feet were
wet! The rear diff cover rusted away in 6 months. Never seen that
happen before but it did to me. My truck has a rhino liner in the back
and my experience with it is great. I have noticed alittle fading with
the color (black) but after all its a truck not a lincoln town car. I
also am not easy on it either. I load and unload stuff like dog
kennels, bricks, firewood and much more stuff. I would opt for the
under bed rail spray if I did it again. The liner did wear off the
corner of the tailgate but my rhino liner guy resprayed it with no
hassle.
Some questions I have are with the 5-speed manual I have.
Sometimes it is grinds going in to 2nd gear while downshifting. It
doesn't always happen but around speeds under 10 miles per hour it does
it. It has happened since new and never really thought much of it till
some people drove it and mentioned it to me. I have had a ford mechanic
drive it and of course it didn't happen when he drove it. Another
question is with the transfer case. My manual says all f-350 4x4 have a
PTO on the transfer case. I don't see one on mine and would like to
know what's up with this. My final question is with hooking up after
market electrical accessories. Does my truck have dedicated circuits
for this?
Final thoughts I have are the is the best truck I have ever owned.
The power stroke diesel averages 19 mpg and has more power then my last
460 F-250. The jack could be better. What a fickle little device it is
and it hardly reaches high enough. The tire iron supplied does not fit
the stock lug nuts! Whats up with that!

Thanks for reading and sharing your thoughs.
- -Dave-

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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 18:42:32 -0400
From: Lee Haefele
Subject: FTE 97up - Re:Manual Trans repairs

Of the last approx 10 F-350s & 2 F-150s W/HD 4spd, 4 needed some
bearings replaced, 1 of the 4 also got gears, all were over 120k & were
relatively inexpensive to fix. Local Ryder truck rental has trouble
keeping the E40ODs working in the rental trucks, says it is #1 repair
needed.
Lee Haefele
>
> Regarding your recommendation of the automatic, you mentioned a few 5
> speeds going bad. Specifically, bad bearings and one bad transmission
> in an F150.
>
> I was just curious how many bad manuals you have had in the F350
> trucks? Even F350's that are 10 years old with 100,000K miles?
>
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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 19:16:47 -0600
From: "Harry W. Spencer"
Subject: FTE 97up - Leaning to a SD 250 CrewCab

Things were great in my household until my wife bought a Jeep Wrangler. =
Now I need to buy a vehicle that fills in the gaps, and there seem to be =
a lot of them. We need a multi-passenger vehicle for 200-5000 mile =
trips. A vehicle to haul lumber and cement sacks and other larger items =
on a monthly basis. Something that will tow a trailer, not yet owned, =
in the 5000-7000 LB range. And, of course, we would like for this to be =
economical, maneuverable and have resale value.

I lean to a SD 250 Crew Cab SB 4X4, V10 3.73 with automatic tranny. A =
little hard to maneuver, but so is an Expedition pulling a utility =
trailer. Do any of you have a good feel as what the expected MPG would =
be on the highway, no tow? My feeling is that if the mileage is =
acceptable, 14-16 range, then the resale would be much higher with the =
V10 over the 5.4L. (I have had one diesel too many, so have eliminated =
that choice.)

I have looked at several lots in the area and fail to find a SD with =
Captains Seats and console. Is there something wrong with this =
combination that I should know about? Also find it interesting that a =
Lariat with cloth seats costs $600 more than the same with leather! I =
have always felt that cloth is more comfortable for traveling.

My experience with a 1991 E4OD transmission is not pleasant. Is the =
4R100 basically the same animal? Have there been significant =
improvements and I should expect long life?

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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 18:15:12 -0700
From: johny
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Leaning to a SD 250 CrewCab

Harry W. Spencer wrote:

> Things were great in my household until my wife bought a Jeep Wrangler. Now I need to buy a vehicle that fills in the gaps, and there seem to be a lot of them. We need a multi-passenger vehicle for 200-5000 mile trips. A vehicle to haul lumber and cement sacks and other larger items on a monthly basis. Something that will tow a trailer, not yet owned, in the 5000-7000 LB range. And, of course, we would like for this to be economical, maneuverable and have resale value.
>

Economical? Well maybe if you don't include the purchase price :-).Maneuverable? Compared to a Suburban? Maybe...

At minimum, i'd up the ante to a F350. Assuming SRW (single rear wheel),
you get about 900 lbs of payload over the F250, depending on the exact
options included. The ride is remarkable for this class of vehicle,
and I don't think the 350 will suffer.

See here for Payload info:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.meadowlandford.com/traileri.htm

To get 14-16 MPG on *any* superduty, you'd have to do go Diesel.
5.4 might get you there, but you'll be unhappy in towing situations.
V10 is reported in the 12's best case, unloaded. Down in the 9's loaded.

You don't mention which diesel left the bad taste in your mouth, but if you
haven't looked at a power Stroke in the last 2-3 years, you owe youself
a look.

See here for Power Stroke specifics:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.abol.com/users/jlester/

As for the price differences, the leather PEP package on the lariat includes a
bunch of items that could account for the $600.00 price on the non-leather
lariat, if all other options were the same.

See here for invoice/retail prices:
www.edmunds.com
www.kbb.com

And while the transmission is basically a upgraded E40D, Automatics are
automatics. Compared to a manual, an automatic has more parts.
There are "care and feeding tips" for the auto, that significanly increase
the life of it. Regular Fluid changes, synthetic ATF fluid, trans temp
monitor come to mind.

See here for some 4r100 field trial info:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ford.com/motorsport/2-6tech.html

That all being said, I have a 99 F350 SC 4x4 PSD 3.73 SRW SB.
Oh and with an Automatic, and manual locking hubs, and damn near
every tow/payload option. It's one fun truck :-).

Hope this helps,
- -john

> I lean to a SD 250 Crew Cab SB 4X4, V10 3.73 with automatic tranny. A little hard to maneuver, but so is an Expedition pulling a utility trailer. Do any of you have a good feel as what the expected MPG would be on the highway, no tow? My feeling is that if the mileage is acceptable, 14-16 range, then the resale would be much higher with the V10 over the 5.4L. (I have had one diesel too many, so have eliminated that choice.)
>
> I have looked at several lots in the area and fail to find a SD with Captains Seats and console. Is there something wrong with this combination that I should know about? Also find it interesting that a Lariat with cloth seats costs $600 more than the same with leather! I have always felt that cloth is more comfortable for traveling.
>
> My experience with a 1991 E4OD transmission is not pleasant. Is the 4R100 basically the same animal? Have there been significant improvements and I should expect long life?
>
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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 22:39:31 +0000
From: Simon Robson Illustration
Subject: FTE 97up - 99 F150 Sport Package

Could Someone (Nathan) please tell me what the sport package consists of
and the ordering code for the 99 F150, My dealer can't find it in his
ordering guide. Ford is replacing my defective 98 STX with a 99 model,
but I'd rather have something that doesn't work than something I don't
like!

Thanks in Advance

Simon
Oakville, Ontario
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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:04:14 -0500
From: "Mike Fairleigh"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 4x4 supercabs, other f150 list

I have a requirement that I be able to get my wife and 3 kids into my truck,
but I also insist on being able to put it in the garage, so a SB is my only
option. Fortunately, I haven't needed to haul anything that has presented a
problem. If I have to haul an 8' sheet from time to time, I just leave the
gate down.

As a matter of fact, the garages on most new houses these days *are* smaller
than they used to be (at least all over the metro Kansas City area). They
have definitely changed as the majority of the population has taken to
driving Hondas. In fact, in the neighborhood we're in, there is a total of
four '97 or newer F-150's, all of them SC SB's, and all of them but mine are
parked in the driveway. I'm lucky - mine fits in with about 4" to spare.
Won't be long before the other guys will be scraping ice again.

Mike Fairleigh
mikef sky.net
...Always remembering their sacrifices.

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From: Jordan Rautiola
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, October 07, 1998 10:03 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - 4x4 supercabs, other f150 list


>Has anyone noticed the trend over the past 10 years away from long bed
>4x4 supercabs to short beds?


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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:37:00 -0700
From: geoff campbell
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 4x4 supercabs, other f150 list

It sounds like you have done your homework on the short bed fifth wheel towing
issue, but in case you haven't seen it this month's trailer life has an article
on them. The hitch costs about $2200 (compared to $600) for conventional on a
long bed. They gave it a good review but i am not sure i would be comfortable
with something that heavy and important moving around in the bed of my truck. I
would opt for the long box if fifth wheel towing is involved. Just my 2 cents.

Geoff Campbell
99 PSD Crew Cab 250 long bed

Dick Dorff wrote:

> Great question by the way, and one I was seriously mulling over while
> deciding which truck configuration to purchase. In fact, you've got me
> rethinking it. So far we're planning on ordering an F250 L/D, S/C, S/B, 4x4,
> XLT, 5.4l, 3.73. Before I embark on my reasonings, I suspect we'll
> generally find the deciding factors between L/B and S/B will be on how much,
> and to what extent the p/u bed is anticipated to be used. No surprises, but
> for the average homeowner, not contractor, they'll probably only
> occasionally use it, and prefer the maneuverability of a S/B. As for us...
>
> We'll only tow our 5th wheel once or twice per year, and will only
> occasionally haul stuff (firewood, mulch, dirt, lumber) for around the house
> use. We want a pickup, not something else, for those uses. The rest of the
> time, it's just us humans and our stuff. For most of the year we'll
> appreciate the slightly better maneuverability of the S/B, especially
> getting in and out of the garage via a curved driveway, and negotiating
> parking lots. The garage is 22'4". The S/B leaves ~ 46" to spare, roughly
> 2' fore and aft. The L/B leaves ~ 23" to spare, roughly 1' fore and aft.
>
> If I decided to eat up some of the remaining space in the garage, it ought
> to be with a S/B crew cab, to provide extra interior space for the 3 boys
> (6wks, 2yo, 9yo). While a longer bed would be better for 5th wheel towing,
> that can be worked around with sliding-type hitches. I think the crux of
> the matter is that we won't need the extra bed space except when towing, and
> we don't really "need" it for that. The extra space would be handy for
> other camping gear, but with a 5th wheel behind you, and a desire to pack
> lightly, there should be plenty of storage space. Another factor not to be
> overlooked is the desire of the wife to not drive anything "too" long.
>
> Since we'll only have all of us in the truck at the same time occasionally,
> we're planning on sacrificing the Crew Cab for the maneuverability and
> parking convenience. We'll all be in it only when camping, or when making
> Winter trips through up-state NY to the in-laws in Canada for Christmas, or
> other odd snow storm trips around town. In 10 yrs, the humans should still
> be able to sit comfortably enough in a S/C (9yo and 11yo in back, right
> side, with pssgr bench slid up some, and 19 yo and two growed-ups in
> front. It'll start to get tight, but then we'll probably be ready for the
> next truck anyway, and have a new decision to make.
>
> Dick Dorff (still wondering if it's worth the aggravation to try to
> convince the wife of the merits of a Crew Cab, but growing more sure of the
> lack of need for a Long Bed).
>
> Jordan Rautiola wrote:
>
> > Has anyone noticed the trend over the past 10 years away from long bed
> > 4x4 supercabs to short beds? In the '70s and most of the '80s I rarely
> > saw (at least in northern Michigan) short bed supercabs. Now they are
> > everywhere, as if truck buyers have become "cattle" like the masses that
> > have moved into minivans and away from the all but forgotten station
> > wagon. Have garages become smaller in the past 15 years? Do people
> > haul less now? The most educated guess I would have is that people who
> > don't NEED a truck are buying them anyway, to be cool, tough, etc. The
> > SUV fad likely is responsible as well. My own reasons for ordering a
> > '99 long bed 4x4 SC XLT 5.4L (ARE cap to follow) are because I tow my
> > 2500lb boat/trailer combo almost every weekend during the summer, go
> > camping with the dog, and during these times I haul quite a bit of stuff
> > (camping gear, tool boxes, racing fuel, boating accessories, etc), and I
> > can't imagine not having a full 8 feet of bed space. Could some of you
> > out there who ordered the short bed (which is likely 98% of 4x4 owners)
> > describe your reasoning behind that decision? Try to find a 4x4 SC long
> > bed on a dealer lot (that may have something to do with the short bed's
> > popularity as well)! I'm looking forward to getting in the new '99. I
> > really enjoy reading this list and hearing about people's experiences
> > and ideas.
> >
> > PS - I get "not deliverable" when sending messages to
> > f150list hitchhikers.net. Any explanations?
> >
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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:42:45 -0700
From: geoff campbell
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Leaning to a SD 250 CrewCab

i'd stick with the 250. Payload doesn't seem to be an issue here and towing capacity is (i believe) exactly the same. Either on would be well under capacity.

geoff

99 PSD Crew Cab 250 l/b

johny wrote:

> Harry W. Spencer wrote:
>
> > Things were great in my household until my wife bought a Jeep Wrangler. Now I need to buy a vehicle that fills in the gaps, and there seem to be a lot of them. We need a multi-passenger vehicle for 200-5000 mile trips. A vehicle to haul lumber and cement sacks and other larger items on a monthly basis. Something that will tow a trailer, not yet owned, in the 5000-7000 LB range. And, of course, we would like for this to be economical, maneuverable and have resale value.
> >
>
> Economical? Well maybe if you don't include the purchase price :-).Maneuverable? Compared to a Suburban? Maybe...
>
> At minimum, i'd up the ante to a F350. Assuming SRW (single rear wheel),
> you get about 900 lbs of payload over the F250, depending on the exact
> options included. The ride is remarkable for this class of vehicle,
> and I don't think the 350 will suffer.
>
> See here for Payload info:
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.meadowlandford.com/traileri.htm
>
> To get 14-16 MPG on *any* superduty, you'd have to do go Diesel.
> 5.4 might get you there, but you'll be unhappy in towing situations.
> V10 is reported in the 12's best case, unloaded. Down in the 9's loaded.
>
> You don't mention which diesel left the bad taste in your mouth, but if you
> haven't looked at a power Stroke in the last 2-3 years, you owe youself
> a look.
>
> See here for Power Stroke specifics:
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.abol.com/users/jlester/
>
> As for the price differences, the leather PEP package on the lariat includes a
> bunch of items that could account for the $600.00 price on the non-leather
> lariat, if all other options were the same.
>
> See here for invoice/retail prices:
> www.edmunds.com
> www.kbb.com
>
> And while the transmission is basically a upgraded E40D, Automatics are
> automatics. Compared to a manual, an automatic has more parts.
> There are "care and feeding tips" for the auto, that significanly increase
> the life of it. Regular Fluid changes, synthetic ATF fluid, trans temp
> monitor come to mind.
>
> See here for some 4r100 field trial info:
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ford.com/motorsport/2-6tech.html
>
> That all being said, I have a 99 F350 SC 4x4 PSD 3.73 SRW SB.
> Oh and with an Automatic, and manual locking hubs, and damn near
> every tow/payload option. It's one fun truck :-).
>
> Hope this helps,
> -john
>
> > I lean to a SD 250 Crew Cab SB 4X4, V10 3.73 with automatic tranny. A little hard to maneuver, but so is an Expedition pulling a utility trailer. Do any of you have a good feel as what the expected MPG would be on the highway, no tow? My feeling is that if the mileage is acceptable, 14-16 range, then the resale would be much higher with the V10 over the 5.4L. (I have had one diesel too many, so have eliminated that choice.)
> >
> > I have looked at several lots in the area and fail to find a SD with Captains Seats and console. Is there something wrong with this combination that I should know about? Also find it interesting that a Lariat with cloth seats costs $600 more than the same with leather! I have always felt that cloth is more comfortable for traveling.....


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