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97up-list-digest Monday, October 5 1998 Volume 01 : Number 235



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In this issue:

RE: FTE 97up - TT mirrors
Re: FTE 97up - V-10 Gas mileage, Tow mirrors
Re: FTE 97up - I have to pay extra to get tires with a 5.4L?
FTE 97up - pay extra to get tires with a 5.4L?
FTE 97up - Bedliners
FTE 97up - Box cover
Re: FTE 97up - Bed Liners & Construction Boxes
FTE 97up - Horn wiring
Re: FTE 97up - Horn wiring
RE: FTE 97up - Bed Liners & Construction Boxes
FTE 97up - misc questions
Re: FTE 97up - Bed Liners & Construction Boxes

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Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 06:28:29 -0700
From: "Jeigh Cee"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - TT mirrors

This horse has probably been beaten too much, but let me once again say that for my purposes the LEFT convex mirror on my F250 PSD is useless. I have also added a 3" round, convex mirror to correct what I consider a design flaw; e.g., not making the convex mirror(s) adjustable.

The LEFT convex mirror is available to me only if I push my seat back as far as it will go, or radically change the angle of my seatback.

I have no problem using the right mirror. I can use the convex portion satisfactorily, both for returning to my lane after passing, and for turning when towing.

Jeigh



Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 16:04:07 -0500
From: "Jeff Schapker"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - TT mirrors

I think what Jeff is talking about is your right rear wheel. I have a 1999
F350 DRW PSD 4X4 and I added a round 3" convex to the right mirror just so I
can see the rear tire. In tight right turns you have to see the tire so you
do not curb it. Just my .02 worth.
Jeff Schapker

I suspect that not very many people have to check their blind spot to see if
their left rear wheel is going to clear a curb. But, perhaps some do!

I pull a 33' 5th wheel, and would like to be able to see any vehicle in my
blind spot before it reaches the rear tire on my truck!


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Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 11:21:44 -0400
From: Chad Royse
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - V-10 Gas mileage, Tow mirrors

You are not going to see your best mileage until after 5000 miles. Are you
there yet? Also, if you can see your rear tires in your 'blind spot'
mirrors, they're ok. Mine point down there too, and I love them for it.
It's kept many unsuspecting Civics from becoming Ford food. I would relax
some and see how it goes.

You are right though, bad service is worse than a bad truck. There's only
one dealership in Cincy that seems to have a grip on good service. They are
a good bunch of guys. But I still have to watch them occasionally too.

Good luck,
Chad

Dave Sturtze wrote:

> Just got back from my first service appointment and I'm not to pleased.
> Had the oil changed that when OK except they didn't use my Synthetic but
> instead used their bulk oil ( will use it myself on next change). had
> them check for poor gas mileage, 11 mpg on highway not towing and only
> have a 3.73 gearing, told no problem found just keep documenting mpg at
> fillup. I have the typical bad fish-eye problem on my r/mirror and was
> told it was how I had my seat adjusted, I'm only 5'6", and I promptly
> had them get their tallest employee to see if he could adjust it to
> where he could see out properly. he could only check for a flat tire
> also so we argued back and forth and finally they agreed to order a new
> mirror but only one time, I hope it's right the first time. Then to the
> AC
> ( absolutely necessary here in Vegas ) same problem as most I've read
> about , temp changes at slower speeds and at an idle, but I had resigned
> myself to a NPF before going in seeing as how our high today is only
> 90deg. So I guess my point is no matter how great the truck is the
> service dept. can still make you an unhappy camper.
>
> I still love my ford.
>
> Dave 99 F250 SD SC LB V10 Lariat 4x4 Rhino Lining BFG's Tow & Camper
> pkg.'s
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Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 11:31:24 -0400
From: Chad Royse
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - I have to pay extra to get tires with a 5.4L?

I am on my third new Ford truck and looked up the invoice every time. I
don't ever recall having to pay extra for tires for a particular engine. It
sounds like you may be dealing with a dishonest salesperson or dealership.
Check out the typical invoice sites (Edmund's, Kelly Blue Book, etc.) they
say whether there is a prerequisite for a particular option.

Chad

Jordan Rautiola wrote:

> This one takes the cake! I am ready to order an XLT 4x4 SC long bed,
> but the dealer tells me that T65, which is P255/70-16 tires, is required
> with 5.4L engine, and it will cost an extra $400 (list)! If I go with
> the 4.6L, there is no extra charge for tires, I get the standard
> 235/70-16 for free. There's got to be something wrong here. I would
> greatly appreciate hearing from someone ASAP who knows about this. All
> I want is plain jane, no frills tires with a 5.4L engine on the truck,
> but apparently I can't get them, at least not without paying extra (I
> plan to put on 285/75-16s as soon as the truck is delivered). HELP!!!
>
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Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 08:03:57 -0800
From: Perry Klein
Subject: FTE 97up - pay extra to get tires with a 5.4L?

Maybe what happened is that the salesman saw that with the T65 tire option
the 99L was required.
He may have gotten confused and reversed it thinking all 99L require T65
which is not so.

pk

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Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 13:28:48 EDT
From: MRoadarDOJ aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Bedliners

In a message dated 10/4/98 6:13:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time, owner-97up-list-
digest ford-trucks.com writes:


construction box I should purchase for my 1998 F150 Lariat with short
bed? I am interested in the highest quality.
>>


I have a black 1999 F-350 Crewcab. I had a Rhino Liner sprayed in the box a
few months ago and I am real happy with it. Costs more than a drop-in but
more than worth it IMHO - nonskid surface, won't scratch anything I put on it,
no concern about water or dirt getting under it and rusting out the box, etc.
Also, if it fades over time it can be re-conditioned back to its original
appearance.
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Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 13:40:37 EDT
From: MRoadarDOJ aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Box cover

I am debating how to cover the box on my 1999 F-350 crewcab. I will put a
slide-in camper on the truck from time to time so I want something two people
(meaning me and the wife) can put on and take off relatively easily. Also, it
needs to be lockable and fairly secure. The cab-high cover would seem to be
the most practical but I'm afraid I'll loose the distinctive "truck" look and
end up looking like a SUV. (This would not be good because the first time
somebody asked me how I liked my Suburban I'd be facing a murder charge.) The
hard tonneau covers keep the look I like but the ones I've seen only lift a
couple feet which would sharply limit the size of what I could put in. Does
anyone know if you can drive with the tonneau cover in the "up" position?
I've also seen covers that fit flush with the top of the box and roll up like
an old roll-top desk into a box at the front of the box. But the specs I've
seen indicate that these are fairly heavy and not that easy to put on and take
out. Anybody have any comments or other suggestions? Thanks.
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Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 12:13:51 -0700
From: dwhipkey gte.net
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bed Liners & Construction Boxes

Greg,

Arma coating for the bedliner.

Dave

Greg Bauer wrote:
>
> Any of you have strong opinions on what brand of bed liner or
> construction box I should purchase for my 1998 F150 Lariat with short
> bed? I am interested in the highest quality.
>
> -GB
>
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Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 15:45:41 -0700
From: Dave Sturtze
Subject: FTE 97up - Horn wiring

After an hour of searching finally found the horn now does anyone know
if black is + and the green/yellow is - ?
Thanks
Dave
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Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 22:42:20 -0400
From: Chad Royse
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Horn wiring

On my 97 F250HD I had, the horn was grounded to the bracket it was
perched. And therefore was a one wire ordeal.

Chad

Dave Sturtze wrote:

> After an hour of searching finally found the horn now does anyone know
> if black is + and the green/yellow is - ?
> Thanks
> Dave
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Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:02:03 -0700
From: "Kevin Mayer"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Bed Liners & Construction Boxes

What makes arma better than Rhino, linex or any of the other spray ins?



Kevin

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Greg,

Arma coating for the bedliner.

Dave

Greg Bauer wrote:
>
> Any of you have strong opinions on what brand of bed liner or
> construction box I should purchase for my 1998 F150 Lariat with short
> bed? I am interested in the highest quality.
>
> -GB
>
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Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 22:00:25 -0500
From: "Jack"
Subject: FTE 97up - misc questions

As most of you know I just got my 99 F-150 SC FS 4.6L and I need a couple of
questions answered:

1. I have remote keyless entry. Whenever I press the open botton on the
FOB once the driver door unlocks and the interior lights come on. However,
when I press it twice the driver and passenger door unlocks but the interior
lights go out unless I press it a third time. Any ideas why this might be?

2. I have the upgrade tires (P255/70R-16 OWL {factory}) with the 4.6L
engine. On my old '97 I had 235/70RX16SL (factory) with the 4.2L engine. I
have noticed a much stiffer ride with the 99 vs the 97 is this b/c of the
tires or is there a different suspension package with the 4.6L? Just
curious to know. Bumps are more noticable especially in place where
potholes are everywhere.

3. If anyone on this list works for Ford and can find out the part number
for the color keyed surround and mesh style grill (sold as one unit) I need
to know. I ordered my replacement last week and when it came in it was a 98
grill and not a 99. The computer shows the wrong part number for all 99
F-150's and Expeditions. The dealer is having a time trying to get the
right part number for me.

Thanks for any input you can provide.

Jack
JBowell msn.com
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Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 21:48:39 -0700
From: dwhipkey gte.net
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bed Liners & Construction Boxes

The texture is harder, more like a drop in liner. Rhino linings always
yammers on about their non-skid surface; well they're right. Try
sliding a box or something into a truck with rhino lining.......aint
gonna happen. Personally I have a piece of that rubber lace/mesh that
they sell for RV shelves and I use that under things that I don't want
to slip around.

....


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