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97up-list-digest Thursday, October 1 1998 Volume 01 : Number 231



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - Mud Flaps
Re: FTE 97up - Loose Lug Nuts
FTE 97up - Superduty leadtime???
FTE 97up - TT mirrors
FTE 97up - SD modifications
RE: FTE 97up - Which to buy?
Re: FTE 97up - Turbo speed(Waste gate) explained.
Re: FTE 97up - SD modifications
Re: FTE 97up - Superduty leadtime???
RE: FTE 97up - SD modifications
FTE 97up - Production Allottment to F250 SD Lariat
FTE 97up - Production Allottment to F250 SD Lariat
Re: FTE 97up - Loose Lug Nuts
Re: FTE 97up - Production Allottment to F250 SD Lariat
FTE 97up - Re:which to buy
FTE 97up - Loose Lug Nuts
FTE 97up - Model TT dump truck
FTE 97up - ADMIN: Your story in a Ford truck book

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 07:29:13 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Mud Flaps

The only mud flaps Ford makes for the SD are the Universal vinyl flaps
(Black with Ford oval on them). As for aftermarket most of the boards and
flaps Ford uses are made for them by Dee Zee so I would recommend them.

Nathan Bernard

- -----Original Message-----
From: Chad Royse
To: Ford 97-Up
Date: Tuesday, September 29, 1998 3:20 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Mud Flaps


>I would like to install some mud flaps on my 99SD. Any
>recommendations? FYI, I tried my local Ford dealer and they told me I
>had to bring my truck in to double check the part number because if
>they ordered the wrong one, they would still have to charge me and
>they weren't cheap. It sounded like a load of #$%, but if they don't
>want to sell them then...
>
>Thanks for your help,
>Chad


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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 07:26:05 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Loose Lug Nuts

The Lug nuts are being sent out as they are manufactured. They aren't
sending letters (about the nuts being in) because we don't have enough lug
nuts to keep up. You should have gotten a letter telling you about the
wheel tightening procedure and telling you about the alleged problem (I
still haven't seen a truck with so much as one loose lug nut). If you
bought the truck used they might still be sending the letters to the
previous owner.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.
Union, IA 50258

- -----Original Message-----
From: SSeeplane aol.com
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, September 29, 1998 10:15 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Loose Lug Nuts


>Well, my nuts are no longer loose.....according to the local dealer anyway.
I
>never did get a recall letter, but I asked the local service manager to
give
>me a call when he got some in. He called today and said he got 10 sets in
>(Ford is sending out limited quantities apparently) and if I wanted a set
he'd
>hold one for me. I went by later and had the lug nuts swapped out in 30
>minutes. I'm a little disappointed I had to ask for the nuts, reminded me
of
>having to ask for ice water at the restaurant on a summer day. Seems like
by
>now every owner should have been notified that the new nuts were available.
(
>Must indicate a continuing problem with the supply I guess.)
>
>Steve S. (the other one..lol)


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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 07:53:22 -0500
From: "Strukel, Mike"
Subject: FTE 97up - Superduty leadtime???

I am getting ready to order my new Superduty F250. The dealers are
telling me that 8-12 weeks is what I should expect for delivery. BUT,
my wife works for Ford Credit and they are hearing 6 - 9 months to get a
truck. Supposedly this is due to shipping problems.

Anyone have any info?

Mike Strukel
soon to be F250 owner
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 98 06:50:41 PDT
From: "Jeff"
Subject: FTE 97up - TT mirrors

I think what you all need to keep in mind is that the objective of the =
convex lower mirror (wide angle) is to see the blind spot
you can't see with the normal upper mirror. So of course, that means you=
should be able to see you rear wheel. I want to be able to see, for exa=
mple, if my rear wheel is going to hit the curb as I go around a turn, =
yet I can still see the big picture. Actually though, I don't think I =
could see enough of my rear wheel from the lower wide angle portion of =
my TT mirrors to tell. But, I think mine were made just right and am ver=
y pleased w/them.
Jeff

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:06:20 -0500
From: "Strukel, Mike"
Subject: FTE 97up - SD modifications

I tend to not leave things very stock with my vehicles, so I am gearing up
for the changes when my F250 SD arrives.
So, a couple of questions.


1. Is the bolt pattern the same as the old F250/350s?
2. Will a 33x12.50 tire clear without a lift?
3. I noticed a few companies have suspension lifts available for these
already. Has anyone put one in yet?
4. Anyone put cat-back dual exhaust yet? With or without a muffler?


Mike Strukel
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:53:33 -0500
From: "Beaman, James"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Which to buy?

Ted Rogers wrote:

> F250 or F350? I've driven both at the dealer, fully unladen, and frankly
> can tell very little difference in ride or handling. Even the price and
> towing capabilities are close. With the limited info I've given can
> anyone
> add anything which will help with this decision, such as performance while
> towing, ride, maintenance, comfort differences, mileage, etc....?
F350 might give you more braking capability.

> Is there any reason, other than noise not to opt for the Power Stroke
> turbo
> diesel?
>
Cost - about $3000 up front and more expensive oil changes and most
other maintenance.

James Beaman
james.beaman lmco.com
Houston, Texas

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:18:02 -0400
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Turbo speed(Waste gate) explained.

Robert Loer wrote:

> Let's get someone with credentials to explain a waste gate. Any waste gate I
> have ever seen reacted to boost pressure either mechanically or
> electronically and was closed at low pressures and opened at higher
> pressures and "wasted" some of the exhaust in order to limit boost. This can
> reduce turbo lag by allowing more boost at lower rpms and limiting the
> resultant higher boost at higher rpms.
>
> I have never heard of a waste gate the closes as boost rises.
>
> Robert Loer
>
> Robert,

As a result of lower rpm a turbo has less boost at that high rpm. The
impeller is not turning as fast so it inherently produces less boost. The time
it takes to speed it up, in order to produce more boost, is the infamous turbo
lag. If the waste gate is closed it no longer limits the amount of exhaust gas
that can by-pass the impellers, so if the turbo produces lots of boost pressure
at low rpm it is because of the design of the impeller that causes it do so, not
the fact that the waste gate is closed. All the waste gate is, is a pressure
relief valve to stop the turbo from producing destructive amounts of boost. The
waste gate is in the exhaust side of the turbo, closed equals the exhaust gasses
turn the impeller, open equals the exhaust gases go around the impeller.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier



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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 09:49:26 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - SD modifications

Bolt patterns are Different on the new SD.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Strukel, Mike
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, September 30, 1998 8:20 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - SD modifications


>I tend to not leave things very stock with my vehicles, so I am gearing up
>for the changes when my F250 SD arrives.
>So, a couple of questions.
>
>
>1. Is the bolt pattern the same as the old F250/350s?
>2. Will a 33x12.50 tire clear without a lift?
>3. I noticed a few companies have suspension lifts available for these
>already. Has anyone put one in yet?
>4. Anyone put cat-back dual exhaust yet? With or without a muffler?
>
>
>Mike Strukel


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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 09:53:47 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Superduty leadtime???

This is a varies on the availability to demand ratio the dealer has. I have
been having a 6-10 week delivery times (depending on what your ordering),
but I have talked to other dealers who have a 6 month wait to get a truck.

confusing, huh?

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.
Union, IA 50258

- -----Original Message-----
From: Strukel, Mike
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, September 30, 1998 8:05 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Superduty leadtime???


>I am getting ready to order my new Superduty F250. The dealers are
>telling me that 8-12 weeks is what I should expect for delivery. BUT,
>my wife works for Ford Credit and they are hearing 6 - 9 months to get a
>truck. Supposedly this is due to shipping problems.
>
>Anyone have any info?
>
>Mike Strukel
>soon to be F250 owner
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:36:59 -0500
From: "Gary Day"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - SD modifications

Mike,

1. The bold pattern is different.
2. Really depends on the tire/rim used ... more likely would clear.
3. Yes.
4. Not yet.

I have a 3.5" lift only on the front which consisted of new front springs
and arms. I am running 35x12.50x16.50 BFG Mud-Terrain tires on 16.50x9.75
Weld Typhoon wheels. I replaced the front shocks. Nothing was done to the
rear. The truck is leveled out. I am planning on possibly using a 1" block
for the rear since it does look like the rear is a little lower with the big
front end of the Ford. I have a set of 2" add-a-leafs for the rear but I
think it would raise it too much.

I bought the lift from Tuff Country Tel: (800) 288-2190. It wasn't that
expensive. They do offer just a leveling kit which I would probably do if I
was going to run 33's.

Go to http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.bohic.com. I've got pictures of my truck, etc. The
"before" pictures are there now and will be scanning the "after" pictures
this week.

Let me know if you want some more info.

Thanks,

Gary

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
[mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Union Auto
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 1998 9:49 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - SD modifications


Bolt patterns are Different on the new SD.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Strukel, Mike
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, September 30, 1998 8:20 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - SD modifications


>I tend to not leave things very stock with my vehicles, so I am gearing up
>for the changes when my F250 SD arrives.
>So, a couple of questions.
>
>
>1. Is the bolt pattern the same as the old F250/350s?
>2. Will a 33x12.50 tire clear without a lift?
>3. I noticed a few companies have suspension lifts available for these
>already. Has anyone put one in yet?
>4. Anyone put cat-back dual exhaust yet? With or without a muffler?
>
>
>Mike Strukel


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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 14:45:22 EDT
From: MarkS79255 aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Production Allottment to F250 SD Lariat

On June 15,1998 I ordered a 1999 F250SD, 7.3L PowerStroke, Lariat,
SuperCab,4x4, SWB, all terrain wheels/tires, two tone paint plus every other
option. Today my salesperson told me that she just found out that Lariat
production of F250SD was suspended around the time that I ordered and would
resume 10/1/98. She thought that a problem with the supplier of the leather
seats had caused the delay. She also said that 330,000 F250SD had been
ordered and only 110,000 had been delivered/produced to date. This includes
all models and not just Lariat models.

Earlier Nathan had replied to a previous post that he was receiving F250 SD
orders with these options in around 12 weeks so I wonder about the information
I am getting from the dealer. I have actually seen one 1999F350SD Lariat Dual
Wheel LWB so I know that at least one has been delivered ;).

Can anyone shed any light,or confirm/dispute this issue? Have any of you
ordered a 1999 F250/F350 SD Lariat and how long was the time between order and
delivery? Thanks in advance. This is a great group and I really appreciate
the tips and info that others have contributed.
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 13:52:59 -0800
From: Perry Klein
Subject: FTE 97up - Production Allottment to F250 SD Lariat

I ordered a 99 F-250 SD Lariat SC long bed w/ v-10 in mid Aug.
The Dealer is University Ford of Seattle. I talked to the dealer again
today after reading your post and he claims it will be in Seattle on the 10th
of Oct. Complete with leather seats.

Does anyone have a way of tracking them?

Vin # is 1FTNX21S5XEC02178

pk

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:16:50 EDT
From: F150DML aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Loose Lug Nuts

its for '97 F-150's--the problem (although I've owned 3 '97 F-150's and have
NEVER had any problems) some claim is the lug nuts strip when trying to remove
them. Like I said I currently drive a '97 F-150 and mine were fine. I
already replaced the lugnuts with the new ones. But I never experienced any
problem, I rotate my tires every 5-8K.
David
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 98 17:18:11 PDT
From: "Jeff"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Production Allottment to F250 SD Lariat

Coworker of mine ordered his F-250 SD Lariat early April, took delivery =
around Sept 20.
What I've been told is it depends on how many trucks your dealer is allot=
ed. High volum dealers are rewarded with more trucks.
Regards,
Jeff

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 20:52:52 -0400
From: Lee Haefele
Subject: FTE 97up - Re:which to buy

> I need a truck to tow a race car trailer, which
> should weigh, loaded about 12000 lbs. It'll probably be a 5th wheel, in the
> 32-36 foot range. The truck will also be used for light hauling and
> errands, but not heavy hauling.
First: to tow a 12,000 lb trailer you need at minimum dual rear wheels.
Next, lowest possible axel ratio 4:10 (PSD) or 4:88 (Gas). If you will
use mostly for towing, you should buy the F-450 W/PSD & 4:88 gears,
probably the 6 spd std. If towing is a lesser part of your mileage a
F-350 DRW will do, A single wheel truck is not safe with this weight. I
own 6 F-350s, have prev owned about (10) older 3/4 & 1 tons. I recall
a trip from Lexington KY to Erie PA, then on to Ithaca NY. I had a
U-Haul trlr behind my 89 F350 460ci, 4:10 gear bucket truck, total
weight 21,000. I was the slowest thing on hilly I 79, I definitely
needed lower gears, I needed a gear between 2 & 3 plus one between 3 &
4, I think an automatic would have burned up. I have also done this
stuff on single wheel trucks, it is pretty unstable!
My 99 F-350 DRW SC, 4:30 gears, auto, V-10 has less power at the
wheels than my 89 460, to tow this weight W/V-10 & maintain speed you
would need the 4:88 gears only avail W/F-450. The PSD probably would
haul W/4:10 gears & 6sp with it's higher torque at lower rpm. The
bigger brakes on the F-450 would be helpful. My V-10 gas mileage loaded
to 10,500 is about 9mpg, with your load maybe 8, possibly less, so if
you drive over 20k/yr you could get the $3500+ cost of the PSD back in
about 5 yrs, figuring a 30% fuel cost savings. Maint on Diesel, we have
found is more than the gas engines, more expensive filters, freq fuel
filter repl $27 at Walmart, 14qt oil chg + more expensive parts all
around, like a $650 radiator, $140 glow plug relay. I still buy all gas
trucks, the 87 & 93 Diesels I have had only saved about 10% fuel cost
considering $.10+ / gal extra cost.
The problems mentioned about the non adj "blind spot" mirror, would be
the same with power or manual, I am 5' 10, where I set the seat, they
are just right.
The truck does drive very nicely, with the exception of the vacuum
boost brakes, possibly installed in error, but in 3 months Ford & dealer
cannot seem to get it together to put the proper hydro boost unit in.
Single wheel gas trucks get vacuum boost brakes, not suitable for heavy
hauling. DRW or Diesel are supposed to get the hydro boost, but mine got
vacuum, Ford first said specs were "missprint", after they delivered new
specs that read same, they agreed mine was built wrong, but have not
approved change yet.
Lee Haefele
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:12:30 -0700
From: "George Jeffers & Ione Maddox"
Subject: FTE 97up - Loose Lug Nuts

SSeeplane aol.com wrote

"Well, my nuts are no longer loose.....according to the local dealer anyway.
I
never did get a recall letter, but I asked the local service manager to give
me a call when he got some in. He called today and said he got 10 sets in
(Ford is sending out limited quantities apparently) and if I wanted a set
he'd
hold one for me. I went by later and had the lug nuts swapped out in 30
minutes. I'm a little disappointed I had to ask for the nuts, reminded me
of
having to ask for ice water at the restaurant on a summer day"

I guess I feel lucky. I just took my truck in for an oil change and they
did the change out without being asked. It was just listed on a separate NC
invoice.

I'm glad since I'm about to drive LA to St. Louis.

George Jeffers

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:57:01 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - Model TT dump truck

If anyone is interested, there is a Model TT dump truck
for sale for $4100 obo on the web site. Its on the main
classifieds page, scroll to the bottom and you'll see
a picture of it. The owner is about to retire to Florida
and asked me to announce it to the group. Given the fact
that they need to get rid of it, the price is probably
pretty flexible.

Ken Payne
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 22:41:30 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: Your story in a Ford truck book

Hi everyone, I receive the following email from someone. I thought
it would be a good idea to pass it on to the lists. Contact Judy
about this (address below), not me.

Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts

>>From jcscott ican.net
>Reply-To:
>From: "judy scott"
>To:
>Subject: Tough Tales
>X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
>
>Hi Webmaster,
>
>You and your members can see their name in print and
>get a Free copy of Tough Tales (working title). Here's
>how. I have a contract to publish a book comprised of
>a brief history of the F-series trucks, a glance at their
>ads, and STORIES BY OWNERS OF F-SERIES TRUCKS.
>The latter is where you and your members can
>contribute. All owners whose stories are published will
>see their name in print and receive a FREE copy of
>Tough Tales. THe kind of stories I need will tell about....


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