97up-list-digest Tuesday, May 19 1998 Volume 01 : Number 087



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - Recall on 97 & 98 Ford Trucks
Re: FTE 97up - Recall on 97 & 98 Ford Trucks
Re: FTE 97up - Recall on 97 & 98 Ford Trucks - REPLY.......>>>
FTE 97up - ADMIN: Pigeon Forge Report
Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust Brake for Super Duty
Re: FTE 97up - Rear Wheel ABS Question
FTE 97up - ADMIN: Milestone
Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust Brake for Super Duty
Re: FTE 97up - V10 power?
FTE 97up - Missed Azie!

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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 07:02:54 -0400
From: "Stanley D. Wainwright"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Recall on 97 & 98 Ford Trucks

I have a 98 F-150 with 13,500 miles on it and THE
WHEELS ARE STILL ON!!!!!!!!!!!

>>> Glenn See 05/15 9:56
PM >>>
Just got back on the list after being cut off for
some reason. What kind of
wheels are causing the recall? I have a 97 150
with aluminum wheels and 36K
on them and have never had any problem. So far,
it is the best PU that I
have owned in the last 50 years.

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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 10:30:26 -0400
From: Chad Royse
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Recall on 97 & 98 Ford Trucks

You're the first person I've heard of that was truly disappointed with their new
F-series. Every one I know loves there's. What exactly about the driveline are you
unhappy with?

Just curious,
Chad

WiNk wrote:
>
> Glenn,
>
> Not being certain about the following info I would suggest that you check it out
> with some other sources.
> The way I understand the wheel situation is that Ford stopped using the tapered
> wheel nuts. They are now using "O" rings to center the wheels and then locking
> the wheel down with wheel nuts that are "flat" rather than coned shaped. The
> result of this is that the nuts loosen after awhile, and need to torqued again
> aftre 500 miles or so. Also, some wheel studs are breaking and the wheels are
> falling off of the vehicles.
>
> I have a 97 with 38K, 4.6, 3.55 with tow package. I have to say it is the WORST
> truck that I ever owned. I am in arbitration with the truck at the moment. I
> really do like the amenities included in the interior but I have to say that the
> drive line just PLAIN stinks in this vehicle. I believe that the engines is OK
> but that drive line is something else again.
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 12:05:56 -0400
From: RHBMRB webtv.net (Richard Baumgardner)
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Recall on 97 & 98 Ford Trucks - REPLY.......>>>

I won't make this long, but I have a 1997 Ford Expedition 4 Dr.
XLT.....It is one of the best vehicles I've ever had....I hope you can
get your problem resolved with Ford, although dealing with them for me
is another story......Thanks, Richard
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 12:30:40 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: Pigeon Forge Report

Here's the Pigeon Forge F100 Supernationals report:

- - 31 list members showed up. One member came from New Zealand! That's
dedication!
- - Many photos taken! These will show up on the web site to arouse
a sense of jealousy (heh heh) in those who didn't attend. This
should increase the attendence next year! I took pictures that
represent every list catagory.
- - In the "I've died and gone to heaven" catagory: 427 SOHC, very rare,
beautiful sound (and very loud, you could hear it for a mile).
brrammmmm, brammmmmmm, brapppppp, brammm...... waaaaaa hoooooo!
- - Group photo was taken Saturday around 11. Most members where in it.
This will appear on the web site.
- - A new sense of direction, many of us sat down and talked about the
future of FTE. Expect us to be an "official club" soon (lists will
always be free). The future looks good.
- - I think those who attended will agree that it brought a real sense
of unity to our group.
- - Pat Ford, the show organizer, treated us extremely well. We had a
booth, inside (A/C!), right inside the front door. We had the best
location in the entire show. To those who have Pat's number, please
call him and thank him!
- - 350+ brochures given out!
- - Universal agreement from 61-79 list members who attended that Deacon
will be at next year's show, even if we have to tie him to the wing
of a plane! Deacon's presence was sorely missed!
- - Interest from vendors in sponsoring us.
- - We received an award for club participation! Hopefully this is
the first of many! I'm going to scan it in and put it on the
web site. Although it will hang on my wall.... we all deserve it!
- - We really are a first class group, it was really nice that many of
you were able to contribute to the "thank Pat Ford" fund. We had
a really nice engraved glass plaque made for Pat, using the 20th
F100 Supernationals t-shirt design for it with "From Ford Truck
Enthusiasts" on the bottom.
- - Many friendships solidified. The best part, to me, was being
able to finally meet so many of my friends for the first time.
A special thanks to those list members who've been lurkers
who read and are learning but hasn't been active posters. It's
its nice to know that you like us enough to travel to meet
everyone.
- - Parts, parts, parts.... and, you guess it, more parts.
- - Again, Deacon, you had to be there! I made sure I took many
photos of 73-79 trucks to give you a good reason to be there
next year!
- - I think we made a great impression with Pat Ford and let the
world know how nice our members are!

In attendance (let me know if I miss anyone, sorry for any
incorrect spelling):

Stu Varner Kristen Marcellus
Peggy Payne Ken Payne
Keith Srb Stephen Silverthorn
Barry Price Dan Herrmann
John Miller Ken Laffon
John Nioloni Paul Gayda
Jay Arnold Gary Bowling
Jeff Hoffman Jack M Hollback
Alan Akerstrom Hugh LaPenotiere
Michael Lowery Randall Dotson
Ted Freeman Don & Terri Neighbors (Grover!)
oftc choice.net (sorry, but I can't read your writing!)
Clive Pedersen (from New Zealand!) Clare Waterman
Jeff Bogart William G. Wood (Woody)
Brian Forbes Charlie Powell
Derek Hall

To those who've sent me email or have a problem needing to
be resolved, please be patient, I had 1428 emails waiting
for me Sunday night and another 180+ this morning. I will
get around to everything, but its going to take some time.
Please don't send multiple requests, it only makes it harder
on me and the wife.

I wish to take this opportunity to sincerely thank everyone
who attended. I really appreciate it!

Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com


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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 13:47:41 EDT
From: RAMWORKER
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust Brake for Super Duty

In a message dated 5/17/98 10:30:20 PM Central Daylight Time,
BigFords1 aol.com writes:

>

Hi David,

Check out http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.bd-vfi.com
It's a device similar to the old heat riser valves used on gasoline engines,
it's use on diesels is to create pressure in the cylinders to cause a
compression braking effect, which diesels don't have because of their
"unthrottled design." It is designed to not overcome the exhaust valve spring
tension with the associated destruction this would cause, i.e., less
backpressure than the exhaust spring can overcome.

Best Regards,
Robert Stout
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 13:57:27 EDT
From: RAMWORKER
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Rear Wheel ABS Question

In a message dated 5/18/98 3:04:40 AM Central Daylight Time, bklm juno.com
writes:


this normal for the vehicle or do I have a problem with my truck. >>

Hello List,

This appears to be a fairly common complaint, regardless of manufacturer.
There seems to be little that can be done about it, other than attempt to
disable it. Just make sure that you never have an accident and your insurer
find out that you've disabled one of the wonderful safety devices they've
foisted upon us and the safety discount you've received for having ABS. Some
of the things I've heard of involved pulling fuses and removing the tone ring
from the differential, I personally would try a correctly sized BLOWN fuse if
I was inclined to do this. Please note, these things will probably cause
fault codes to be stored and warning lights to be lit.

Best Regards,
Robert Stout
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 17:28:16 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: Milestone

Another FTE milestone!

Last week we had our 200,000th visitor on the web site. Our first
100,000 visitors took 11 months, our second 100,000 took less than
4 months!

Thanks everyone!
Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 19:28:16 EDT
From: BigFords1
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust Brake for Super Duty

Thanks man. Even though I didn't understand it very much. What is it's
purpose?
Better mileage, More torque, towing capacity?
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 19:15:51 -0500
From: Sven Setterdahl
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - V10 power?

>
>
> I have not been delivered my new truck yet, but I took the bare chassis
> for a ride. It is an F350 Super cab,chassis, 4X4,DRW, Auto, V10, 4.30
> ratio. 2 observations...SLOW, will the engine power increase
> dramatically on breakin? High pedal effort brake pedal (this has vacuum
> booster, not hydro-boost). Next I permanently mount 4000 lbs of equip
> to the truck, so these 2 things may get a lot worse. Anyone out there
> using a V10 SD with a heavy load yet?
> Lee Haefele

The overhead cam engines tend to like the higher revs more than the old pushrod
engines. After you put a few miles on it, open it up into the higher revs and
you'll see what I mean. A lot of the 'Stangers had a hard time adjusting to the new
engines too, since the ol' 5.0 gave up the ghost after about 4500rpm. The OHC
engines will pull all the way to redline. As with any engine, it will be tight for
a while. Give it some time to get borke in.

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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 23:26:16 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - Missed Azie!

Opps! Missed someone! Azie Ardmore (am14 chrysler.com) was also at
the F100 Supernationals.

Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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