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97up-list-digest Tuesday, September 29 1998 Volume 01 : Number 228 ======================================================================= Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1997 and Newer Trucks and Vans Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, send email to: majordomo  ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 97up-list-digest" in the body of the message. ======================================================================= In this issue: Re: FTE 97up - V10 Gas Mileage??? RE: FTE 97up - power chips Re: FTE 97up - Waste gate or Direct Injection? FTE 97up - RE: V10 mileage FTE 97up - Vortech Supercharger Re: FTE 97up - V10 Gas Mileage??? Re: FTE 97up - Vortech Supercharger Re[2]: FTE 97up - V10 Gas Mileage??? FTE 97up - RE: Customer access circuits Re: FTE 97up - 1999 Navigator Engine - 300HP 32Valve 5.4L? Re: FTE 97up - Towing with PSD and Auto Re: FTE 97up - brake light problem Re: FTE 97up - F150 Oil Leak Re: FTE 97up - Towing with PSD and Auto Re: FTE 97up - Waste gate or Direct Injection? FTE 97up - Re: Customer Access Circuits?? FTE 97up - ADMIN: New advertiser on web site FTE 97up - Customer access circuits Re: FTE 97up - Customer Access Circuits?? Re: FTE 97up - Customer Access Circuits?? Re: FTE 97up - Customer access circuits ======================================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:30:30 -0500 From: kauppij vfc.com Subject: Re: FTE 97up - V10 Gas Mileage??? I returned last week from a 3,300 mile road trip and individual tanks yielded from 12.8 to 15 mpg in mostly highway driving. I have the F350 SRW Auto 4x4 V10 3.73ls. Around 14.2 to 14.5 mpg seems to be an average highway figure for my truck. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: FTE 97up - V10 Gas Mileage??? Author: at Internet Date: 9/25/98 11:26 AM Sorry if this question has been asked numerous times, but I have to ask anyway. I am getting ready to order a new F250 Superduty. I have not decided between the 5.4L or the V10, yet. I am really leaning tward the V10 at this point. A couple of questions: 1. Has anyone had any initial problems with this engine? 2. The dealer claims 13mpg to 16mpg for mileage with this engine. I find that hard to believe. Does anyone have any input on that? Thanks, Mike Strukel == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 07:18:32 -0700 From: "Johnson, John" Subject: RE: FTE 97up - power chips I have a '79 460 (just couldn't part with it when I got the new Ford) and I can't believe you need a chip. I have power and torque to spare, no matter what I'm, hauling or pulling! JJ > ---------- > From: Lococooper aol.com[SMTP:Lococooper aol.com] > Reply To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com > Sent: Saturday, September 26, 1998 10:54 PM > To: 97up-list fordtrucks.com > Subject: FTE 97up - power chips > > I have a 97 f-250 with a 460 in it. is there a performance chip made > for it ? > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:48:25 -0400 From: Jean Marc Chartier Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Waste gate or Direct Injection? Union Auto wrote: > Direct injection means the Fuel is sprayed directly into the combustion > chamber, Indirect (like GM diesel, and older Fords) has a prechamber that > gets the fuel and then it dribble into the combustion chamber. All Power > Strokes are Direct Injected > > Wastegated means that the Turbo has a by pass to control the amount of boost > that is being made. This helps get rid of some of the turbo Lag that > happens when you add and intercooler. > > Nathan Bernard > Nathan, I always thought that a waste gate was a device that let excess pressure bypass the turbo. The max pressure was determined either by a preset spring, the computer or manually. Once the max pressure was reached the waste gate would open and the exhaust would be routed around the turbo. It was to avoid blowing up your engine from too much pressure. I do not understand how this decreases turbo lag? Turbo lag as I understand it is the time that it takes the impellers to get up to boost speed when the motor goes from low RPM to a higher RPM. Impeller design is what changes turbo lag. i.e.: impeller design, pitch size etc... Kindest regards Jean Marc Chartier == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 08:20:15 -0700 From: "Harald" Subject: FTE 97up - RE: V10 mileage I tried a little experiment with my 99 F350 4x4 V10 SC 4.30 gears. I drive mostly stop and go with many hills here in Washington state. On a recent tank, I drove like my grandma to see what the best mileage is around town. I got 10.1 mpg. On the next tank, I drove like normal which is to say punching the gas often and accelerating briskly (which this engine/gear setup does very well). I got 9.9 mpg on that tank. I just isn't worth it for the extra 0.2 mpg to drive so agonizingly slow. I suspect that if you had the 3.73 gears and drove carefully you could get better. Harald "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Ben Franklin == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:00:47 -0500 (CDT) From: "Douglas R. Floyd" Subject: FTE 97up - Vortech Supercharger Regarding the Vortech supercharger: I have been thinking of getting one of those for my 5.4L 98 F150. However, I am wondering how a supercharger affects engine life, and I hear various horror stories about how a misinstalled supercharger means a new engine in less than 50 miles. I also wonder how loud and annoying the whine would be from the thing -- if it would be too annoying for my usual daily commute. OTOH, 300+HP sounds like a winner, though. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:28:56 -0400 From: Chad Royse Subject: Re: FTE 97up - V10 Gas Mileage??? You can get a 3.73 LS now? kauppij vfc.com wrote: > I returned last week from a 3,300 mile road trip and individual tanks > yielded from 12.8 to 15 mpg in mostly highway driving. I have the > F350 SRW Auto 4x4 V10 3.73ls. Around 14.2 to 14.5 mpg seems to be an > average highway figure for my truck. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:43:02 -0400 From: Mark Lee Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Vortech Supercharger That would be a good question to pose the Mustang boys at the Corral Tech Board or the Saleen Tech Board. These guys have lots of experience with installing blowers... http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.corral.net/ http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.saleen.com/techtalk.html Douglas R. Floyd wrote: > > Regarding the Vortech supercharger: > > I have been thinking of getting one of those for my 5.4L 98 F150. However, > I am wondering how a supercharger affects engine life, and I hear various > horror stories about how a misinstalled supercharger means a new engine in > less than 50 miles. I also wonder how loud and annoying the whine would > be from the thing -- if it would be too annoying for my usual daily commute. > > OTOH, 300+HP sounds like a winner, though. > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:51:54 -0500 From: kauppij vfc.com Subject: Re[2]: FTE 97up - V10 Gas Mileage??? As far as I know there was never a problem getting a 3.73 ls in an F350. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: FTE 97up - V10 Gas Mileage??? Author: at Internet Date: 9/28/98 4:28 PM You can get a 3.73 LS now? kauppij vfc.com wrote: > I returned last week from a 3,300 mile road trip and individual tanks > yielded from 12.8 to 15 mpg in mostly highway driving. I have the > F350 SRW Auto 4x4 V10 3.73ls. Around 14.2 to 14.5 mpg seems to be an > average highway figure for my truck. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 15:04:13 -0700 From: "Harald" Subject: FTE 97up - RE: Customer access circuits I just used those wires on my 99 F350. The red, white, and black are plain wires that go from inside near the steering column to the rear right engine compartment area (I didn't ring out the blue one, but I assume it runs the same). There's also a wire with a colored stripe on it near the steering column in the cab and it's 12 volts DC, ignition switched. I don't remember the exact colors on the striped wire. This switched wire it the only other capped wire next to the 4 solid colored wires. I used those spare wires to hook up my air horns and air compressor. Harald == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 17:30:15 -0500 From: "Sven Setterdahl" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 1999 Navigator Engine - 300HP 32Valve 5.4L? >chris coleman wrote: >> >> I was curious if it will be possible to take the 4V heads(when >> available) and add them to the older 5.4L. I have a 97 Expy and am >> looking to get some more power from the motor. I have played with the >> idea of boring the valves .030" over to gain some more power that way. >> I know adding headers and the power chips will get me up near 280hp, >> but, I figure, if I'm going that far, might as well do the job right. >> I figure the heads will end up costing about $1500 for the pair. >> Thanks Thermo. I think $1500 for each head probably wouldn't cover their price, considering the SVO SOHC heads go for about $1100 each (I think that's right.) I don't know if they would bolt-on either. The DOHC heads may require more head bolts, different oil and water passages, etc. You would be better off going the supercharger route plus a better flowing intake and exhaust system. >> 97 Expy, Nerf bars, Pioneer FH-M95 Double DIN Radio. >> P.S. I'm working on making some sub enclosures, one for the passenger >> side, one for the drivers side. Let me know if you are interested. >> Does the double DIN radio fit right into the opening? I have wondered if any of the oversized radios would fit in the new Ford openings. Sven == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:31:22 PDT From: "Dave Burdick" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Towing with PSD and Auto ROBERT, MY NAME IS FRED LOVELL AND I WORK AT BURDICK FORD IN CENTRAL SQUARE NY. AS FAR AS I CAN TELL IT IS NOT A GOOD IDEA TO TOW IN OVERDRIVE. IF I CAN BE OF ANY MORE HELP PLEASE LET ME KNOW. FRED LOVELL >From owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com Sat Sep 26 14:13:42 1998 >Received: (fordtruc localhost) by ford-trucks.com (8.8.5) id RAA09604; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 17:09:40 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from MASTER_SERVER (MASTER-SERVER.MIGHTY.NET [198.145.66.2]) by ford-trucks.com (8.8.5) id RAA09585; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 17:09:37 -0400 (EDT) >X-Authentication-Warning: ford-trucks.com: Host MASTER-SERVER.MIGHTY.NET [198.145.66.2] claimed to be MASTER_SERVER >Received: from rloer - 198.145.66.79 by mighty.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC; > Sat, 26 Sep 1998 14:05:30 -0700 >Message-ID: >From: "Robert Loer" >To: >Subject: FTE 97up - Towing with PSD and Auto >Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 14:08:26 -0700 >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 >Sender: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com > >Just bought a new, brought down from Canada, 97 F250HD 4X4 extra cab, >long bed with the auto and the Power stroke. > >The manual says to tow in overdrive, the wife argues to not use >overdrive, I say it depends on the load and the situation. If the >transmission is hunting I take it out of overdrive so it will not shift >up. > >Who is correct? > >I just gave our kids our 175,000 mile 350 Chevy truck that has had the >trans rebuilt 3 times. I want the Ford to last. > >Any thoughts or actual experience out there? > >Thanks, Robert > > > > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > ______________________________________________________ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:35:25 PDT From: "Dave Burdick" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - brake light problem THE LIGHT IS MOST LIKLY ON BECAUSE OF LOW BRAKE FLUID IN THE RESERVOIR IN THE ENGINE COMPARTMENT. FRED LOVELL >From owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com Sat Sep 26 19:05:16 1998 >Received: (fordtruc localhost) by ford-trucks.com (8.8.5) id WAA04939; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 22:01:14 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from kramer.pcisys.net (root kramer.pcisys.net [207.76.102.252]) by ford-trucks.com (8.8.5) id WAA04922; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 22:01:12 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from mattadam (stan104.den.pcisys.net [208.202.107.104]) >by kramer.pcisys.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) via SMTP id UAA12075 >for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 20:01:16 -0600 (MDT) >env-from (mattbert pcisys.com) >Message-ID: >From: "Matt Adams" >To: >Subject: FTE 97up - brake light problem >Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 20:04:28 -0600 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; >charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 >Sender: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com > >I was driving along today, and I went to the car wash, applied my brake, and >the light, didn't come on... weird I thought, but I just passed it off... >then I released the brake after cleaning my truck, and then the light came >on! Ever since the light has been on... I have plenty of brake fluid, and >the ABS connector to the rear differential is fully plugged in. I have no >loss of braking power, it stops the exact same way it always did >(excellently) :), the parking brake works great as always, and releases just >fine when released. Any ideas? I am probably gonna have the dealer look at >it when I go to take it in for the lug-nuts and rear leaf springs. > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > ______________________________________________________ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:38:27 PDT From: "Dave Burdick" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - F150 Oil Leak MY NAME IS FRED LOVELL AND I HAVE A 1978 FORD F-150 WITH 382,000 MILES AND I HAVE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM. >From owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com Sun Sep 27 06:04:08 1998 >Received: (fordtruc localhost) by ford-trucks.com (8.8.5) id JAA21821; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 09:00:36 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from proxyb2-atm.maine.rr.com (proxyb2-atm.maine.rr.com [204.210.64.11]) by ford-trucks.com (8.8.5) id JAA21804; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 09:00:34 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from default.maine.rr.com (dt061n51.maine.rr.com [24.93.141.81]) >by proxyb2-atm.maine.rr.com (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA13146 >for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 08:21:48 -0400 (EDT) >Message-ID: >From: "Anne Mitchell" >To: >Subject: Re: FTE 97up - F150 Oil Leak >Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 08:53:00 -0400 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; >charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 >Sender: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com > > > > >>Brought my truck to the dealer yesterday. After having it for a day, >>they found 3 leaks > >I had a 92 Explorer, which I loved after the warranty expired (never thought >I'd say that). Under warranty, the vehicle had the front (where your pulley >is) and rear main crank seals replaced and the valve cover gaskets(twice) >for leaks. Even after that there was a drop of oil per week coming out of >the rear seal for the life of the vehicle. It is now owned by a friend of >mine and it has 90K miles on it. I also had new ball joints installed >because at 20K miles they found the greased for life ball joints had no >grease in them at all. The dealership claimed they must have come from the >factory that way. Made steering a little difficult. Even so, it was a >great ride. > >I like my 98 SC F150 4x4 a lot. It is 6 months old and has 10K miles on it. >So far the only problems have been a new serpentine belt (the original >started to chirp badly at morning startup), new throttle linkage (they never >told me why, they just replaced it), and a new rear seat latch. Good luck >with the oil leaks. You never know, they get it right the second time. > >Steve > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > ______________________________________________________ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:56:17 -0700 From: "Alan Wilson" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Towing with PSD and Auto At 04:31 PM 9/28/98 PDT, you wrote: >ROBERT, > MY NAME IS FRED LOVELL AND I WORK AT BURDICK FORD IN CENTRAL SQUARE >NY. AS FAR AS I CAN TELL IT IS NOT A GOOD IDEA TO TOW IN OVERDRIVE. IF >I CAN BE OF ANY MORE HELP PLEASE LET ME KNOW. > >FRED LOVELL > Please don't yell Fred. Alan Wilson == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 98 17:54:54 PDT From: "Jeff" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Waste gate or Direct Injection? You are correct. Too much incest going on here (i.e. bad info). == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 20:05:05 -0400 From: Lee Haefele Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Customer Access Circuits?? There is a set of wires that go from under dash through the firewall to the engine compartment for your use. That is as much as the body builders book describes them except it gives colors. Look above gas pedal. They are not connected on either end, there doesn't seem to be customer connect Hot & Ign spots. I tucked under a fuse of correct switch for Ign & went to large underhood fusebox for Batt. Lee Haefele == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:10:36 -0400 From: Ken Payne Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: New advertiser on web site We have a new advertiser on our web site. Since the beginning, our practice with web site advertisers has been to make a brief announcement for 2 days (this is day 1 of 2). Please show your appreciation to them for helping to support the web site and the lists by checking out their site: Add more secure, accessible cargo space to your SUV in minutes with the XTENDER Receiver Hitch Mounted Pivoting Cargo Carrier. The XTENDER adds a full 11 cubic feet of cargo space and its patented telescopic/pivoting frame allows for normal rear door operation and easy access to your vehicle's existing cargo area. For more information on this exciting new SUV accessory contact Dotronix Inc. toll free at 1-800-720-7218 or visit our web site http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://discover-net.net/~xtender. We would like to you to let them know you heard about them via the Ford Truck Enthusiasts group. Now returning you to our regularly scheduled program... Ken Payne CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:37:57 -0400 From: Bill Yarnell Subject: FTE 97up - Customer access circuits try this one http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.meadowlandford.com/bodybild.htm And the Pig tail your looking at is designed to work with an electronic brake controller for a trailer. the blue wire goes all the way back to the rear bumper and activates your trailer brakes. Bill Yarnell 99 SD CC PSD 6SP DUALLY ... GOTTA LOVE IT == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:59:08 -0400 From: Bill Yarnell Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Customer Access Circuits?? Bob try this address http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.meadowlandford.com/bodybild.htm they have the body upfitters manual online has all the customer access wiring diagrams etc. Bob Wickline wrote: > I have a '99 F350 that I would like to install a hands-free kit for my cell phone. I need access to a (+)battery supply and an (+)ignition-switched supply. I was inspecting the vehicle for access to these and I noticed four wires (red, black, blue & white) labeled "Customer Access Circuits (see Body Builder book for installation instructions)". > > Does anybody know what these are? I don't have a problem getting access to (+)battery supply but the (+)ignition-switched supply is not so easy. If there is an easier way to access (+)ignition-switched I'm open for suggestions. > > __ _____ ___ _ __ > Bob "Wick" Wickline \ \ / /_ _/ __| |/ / > \ \/\/ / | | (__| ' > wick f350.com \_/\_/ |___\___|_|\_\ > > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.f350.com/ (under construction) > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:19:36 -0400 From: Bill Yarnell Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Customer Access Circuits?? The circuit you found is for hooking up an electronic brake controller I think red is 12+ volt battery black is ground white is connected to the brake light switch blue goes to the back to the bumper to supply voltage from the brake controller to the trailer brakes. I imagine your truck has the towing package option and this ties in to that 7 wire harness. if this is about as clear as mud, mail me back and I'll try to do a better job Bill Yarnell 99 SD CC DUALLY PSD 6SP Bob Wickline wrote: > I have a '99 F350 that I would like to install a hands-free kit for my cell phone. I need access to a (+)battery supply and an (+)ignition-switched supply. I was inspecting the vehicle for access to these and I noticed four wires (red, black, blue & white) labeled "Customer Access Circuits (see Body Builder book for installation instructions)". > > Does anybody know what these are? I don't have a problem getting access to (+)battery supply but the (+)ignition-switched supply is not so easy. If there is an easier way to access (+)ignition-switched I'm open for suggestions. > > __ _____ ___ _ __ > Bob "Wick" Wickline \ \ / /_ _/ __| |/ / > \ \/\/ / | | (__| ' > wick f350.com \_/\_/ |___\___|_|\_\ > > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.f350.com/ (under construction).... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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