97up-list-digest Saturday, September 26 1998 Volume 01 : Number 225



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In this issue:

FTE 97up - Re: A/C on all the time
FTE 97up - Week #38 Commodity update
FTE 97up - 1999 Navigator Engine - 300HP 32Valve 5.4L?
FTE 97up - V10 Gas Mileage???
Re: FTE 97up - Ford Excursion was: 1999 Navigator Engine - 300HP 32Valve 5.4L?
RE: FTE 97up - V10 Gas Mileage???
FTE 97up - 1997 F350 7.3 PSK 15K service questions
FTE 97up - K&N Oil Filters
Re: FTE 97up - V10 Gas Mileage???
Re: FTE 97up - 1999 Navigator Engine - 300HP 32Valve 5.4L?
Re: FTE 97up - Week #38 Commodity update
FTE 97up - Production Commodities.
FTE 97up - Waste gate or Direct Injection?
Re: FTE 97up - Upholstery Kit
Re: FTE 97up - Waste gate or Direct Injection?
Re: FTE 97up - 1999 Navigator Engine - 300HP 32Valve 5.4L?
Re: FTE 97up - Waste gate or Direct Injection?
FTE 97up - Super Duty trailer mirrors
FTE 97up - '99 F150 tire/wheel question
Re: FTE 97up - '99 F150 tire/wheel question

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 06:53:26 -0400
From: Lee Haefele
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: A/C on all the time

> - -I could be wrong but I think the A/C compressor is engaging in all but two
> vent settings (floor/panel). I understand it coming on for the defrost
> setting
> for additional air drying but on the Floor&Panel setting?? Sure you can just
> turn up the heat control to compensate but this does a number on you gas
> mileage
Actually, when it gets cooler, the A/C uses little energy (I have
measured this effect on room a/c units that I run all winter in NY),
plus the defrost does work about 50 X better. Used to be that auto
mfgrs advised to run a/c in winter several times to lubricate the seals.
So... Don't worry about it.
Lee Haefele
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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 08:09:27 -0700
From: "Colin Walker"
Subject: FTE 97up - Week #38 Commodity update

Forgive a newbie question...

"Super Duty- 6.8L V-10" Does this mean that trucks with this engine will be
delayed?
Is there a way to track factory order progress via the web? Can I find out
if a truck has been built or shipped?

Thanks for your time.
Colin Walker
Cwalker digimarc.com

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:43:37 -0400
From: Mark Lee
Subject: FTE 97up - 1999 Navigator Engine - 300HP 32Valve 5.4L?

Can anyone confirm that Ford intends to offer a new twin cam, 4 valves
per cylinder (300 hp) version of the Lincoln Navigator during the 1999
production year. I read the "hot rod Lincoln" article in Ford World
News on August 14th, however my dealer has not received any word from
Ford yet which seems a little strange since they sell a ton of
Navigators. To read the original article please
follow...http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.fordworldnews.com/index.html/top_stories.htm
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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:26:13 -0500
From: "Strukel, Mike"
Subject: FTE 97up - V10 Gas Mileage???

Sorry if this question has been asked numerous times, but I have to ask
anyway.
I am getting ready to order a new F250 Superduty. I have not decided
between the 5.4L
or the V10, yet. I am really leaning tward the V10 at this point.

A couple of questions:

1. Has anyone had any initial problems with this engine?
2. The dealer claims 13mpg to 16mpg for mileage with this engine. I
find that hard to believe.
Does anyone have any input on that?


Thanks,

Mike Strukel
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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 09:28:43 -0700
From: johny
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Ford Excursion was: 1999 Navigator Engine - 300HP 32Valve 5.4L?

Note the rumor in regards to the V12 that could be available in the
2nd year.... Anyone know what the v12 may be based on? 2 more
cylinders tacked on to the v10? may need vaseline to stuff that
engine in place.

Also a nice picture of a F-750
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.fordworldnews.com/index.html/1999_ford_f750.htm

- -john

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.fordworldnews.com/index.html/ford_excursion.htm

The upcoming Ford Excursion is dubbed the Suburban fighter; however, in
reality the Excursion is based on the F-Series Super Duty
Chassis while the Suburban is more or less just a modified C/K series
pickup truck.

The Excursion will be a four door model, similar in design and function to
the Ford Expedition, but much larger. The 5.4 V-8 should be the standard
engine with a 6.0 V-10 or the 7.3 Diesel engines being optional. It is possible
that an optional V-12 engine will be offered in the
second year of the Excursion's availability.

The 9 passenger Excursion will be available in the fall of 1999 and you can
expect to pay about $32,012. for a base four wheel drive
model.


> Can anyone confirm that Ford intends to offer a new twin cam, 4 valves
> per cylinder (300 hp) version of the Lincoln Navigator during the 1999
> production year. I read the "hot rod Lincoln" article in Ford World
> News on August 14th, however my dealer has not received any word from
> Ford yet which seems a little strange since they sell a ton of
> Navigators. To read the original article please
> follow...http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.fordworldnews.com/index.html/top_stories.htm
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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:36:22 -0500
From: "Gary Day"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - V10 Gas Mileage???

I went with the V10 and would again. No problems yet with ~5k miles.
Around town I'm getting about 12-13 mpg.

Hope this helps ...

Gary
www.bohic.com

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From: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
[mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Strukel, Mike
Sent: Friday, September 25, 1998 11:26 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 97up - V10 Gas Mileage???


Sorry if this question has been asked numerous times, but I have to ask
anyway.
I am getting ready to order a new F250 Superduty. I have not decided
between the 5.4L
or the V10, yet. I am really leaning tward the V10 at this point.

A couple of questions:

1. Has anyone had any initial problems with this engine?
2. The dealer claims 13mpg to 16mpg for mileage with this engine. I
find that hard to believe.
Does anyone have any input on that?


Thanks,

Mike Strukel
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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 10:25:37 -0700
From: Shawn Utz
Subject: FTE 97up - 1997 F350 7.3 PSK 15K service questions

I am nearing 15K miles and need to do a few things beyond the standard.
Perhaps someone could educate me on the following topics:

- - DCA additives.
- - Water Separater. Specifically the location and procedure.
- - Air filter flow test unit. I see a reset button but have never seen
the indicator change relative to the scale. Of course I have changed
the filter. Have not yet stepped up to the K&N. Should I?
- - Any other suggestions gladly accepted.


I tend to do all but the 30K stuff myself. I have a good International
dealer close by and prefer fleetgaurd parts and Delo oil.

Thanks in advance,

Shawn

- --
Shawn R. Utz shawn tera.com
Tera Computer Co. Tel: (206)490-2024
2815 Eastlake Ave E. FAX: (206)325-2433
Seattle WA 98102
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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 98 11:50:48 PDT
From: "Jeff Neilson"
Subject: FTE 97up - K&N Oil Filters

I called K&N and they spec. part number HP-2010 as a replacement oil filt=
er for the 98 Ford Econoline van w/the V-10. It seems to me that this =
engine hasn't changed between the 98 van and the 99 Super Dutys. Was won=
dering if anyone had tried one to see if it fits on the new Super Dutys =
(I have a F-350)? I used to use K&N disposable oil filters on my 88 Toyo=
ta truck and they were great.
Thanks
Assid

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 16:32:15 -0400
From: Chad Royse
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - V10 Gas Mileage???

I have a F250 V10 SC 4x4 with 4.30 gears. I currently have 3500 miles on it
and get between 10 and 11 around town and my best highway so far is 12.5. I
think 16mpg is a little far fetched, unless maybe it's a regular cab, 4x2, with
3.55 gears.

I have not had an ounce of trouble yet.

Have fun ordering your new truck!
Chad

"Strukel, Mike" wrote:

> Sorry if this question has been asked numerous times, but I have to ask
> anyway.
> I am getting ready to order a new F250 Superduty. I have not decided
> between the 5.4L
> or the V10, yet. I am really leaning tward the V10 at this point.
>
> A couple of questions:
>
> 1. Has anyone had any initial problems with this engine?
> 2. The dealer claims 13mpg to 16mpg for mileage with this engine. I
> find that hard to believe.
> Does anyone have any input on that?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike Strukel

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:34:33 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 1999 Navigator Engine - 300HP 32Valve 5.4L?

I had a Lincoln Mercury meeting (via satellite on Fordstar), where they
talked about new products and they listed 5.4L 4 valve engine on Navigator
but it said late introduction. The way I understand (but not necessarily
right) is the 2V will be standard for a few months until the 4v is available
and then it will be standard.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

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From: Mark Lee
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, September 25, 1998 11:02 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - 1999 Navigator Engine - 300HP 32Valve 5.4L?


>Can anyone confirm that Ford intends to offer a new twin cam, 4 valves
>per cylinder (300 hp) version of the Lincoln Navigator during the 1999
>production year. I read the "hot rod Lincoln" article in Ford World
>News on August 14th, however my dealer has not received any word from
>Ford yet which seems a little strange since they sell a ton of
>Navigators. To read the original article please
>follow...http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.fordworldnews.com/index.html/top_stories.htm
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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:38:20 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Week #38 Commodity update

No these commodities are for people that haven't been assigned a VIN or a
shedule date when their truck will be produced. Once you have that your set
to go.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.
Ford-Mercury

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From: Colin Walker
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, September 25, 1998 10:27 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Week #38 Commodity update


>Forgive a newbie question...
>
>"Super Duty- 6.8L V-10" Does this mean that trucks with this engine will
be
>delayed?
>Is there a way to track factory order progress via the web? Can I find out
>if a truck has been built or shipped?
>
>Thanks for your time.
>Colin Walker
>Cwalker digimarc.com
>
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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:51:35 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: FTE 97up - Production Commodities.

These are the maximum percents of vehicle options that will be scheduled
(if your truck is already scheduled commodities don't affect it)

Ranger
4 door supercab 18%
Premium CD/Cass 58K 58%
2.5L engine 28%

Explorer
4.0L OHV man 9%
4.0L OHV auto 12%
4.0L SOHC 61%
5.0L V-8 17%
CD and Cassette radio 58K 58%

Expedition
5.4L 80%
4.6L 20%

F-Series (under 8500 GVW)
5.4L (with 44E E4OD transmission) 25%
5.4L (with 44U 4R70W transmission) 20%
4.6L 27%
4.6L with auto transmission 23%
4.2L with auto transmission 26%
Off Road PKG.. 10%
91P Cassette + CD changer 5%


F-Series (Super Duty)
5.4L V-8 26%
6.8L V-10 23%
7.3L PSD 50%
F-350 DRW pickup 14%
F-350/450 DRW Chassis 2%
total pick ups 86%
7.3L automatic 46%
total 4R100 automatic 68%

Crew Cab 19%
Lariat pkg.. 17%
F-250/350 SRW 4x4 45%
Tutone 9%
Premium alum wheel 10%
Am/Fm Cass/CD 58K 18%

These commodities are for Kansas City region, but should be relatively close
for everyone else.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.


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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 17:25:43 EDT
From: BigFords1 aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Waste gate or Direct Injection?

I was sitting in the Ford Dealership a few months ago and I was reading some
brochures about the 96 PSD's. It said the Power Stroke engine had an
advantage because it was direct injected. But the 99's are waste-gated. Why
did they change from Direct injection to waste-gated if direct is better?



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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 17:45:42 EDT
From: BigFords1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Upholstery Kit

Don't smoke.
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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:04:19 PST
From: Mountain Charlie
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Waste gate or Direct Injection?

** Reply to message from BigFords1 aol.com on Fri, 25 Sep 1998 17:25:43 EDT
Two different parts of the engine. Injection is still direct injection because
it is cleaner and more effecient.

Wastegates work with the turbo to add low end power at the expense of high end
boost.

The 99 PSD is direct injected and comes with a wastegated turbo unit.

Charlie

> I was sitting in the Ford Dealership a few months ago and I was reading some
> brochures about the 96 PSD's. It said the Power Stroke engine had an
> advantage because it was direct injected. But the 99's are waste-gated. Why
> did they change from Direct injection to waste-gated if direct is better?
>
>
>
> David
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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 18:15:59 EDT
From: BigFords1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 1999 Navigator Engine - 300HP 32Valve 5.4L?

I read the same thing about the Navigator in a magazine. 300 Horses, wow!


David Robinson
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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 18:25:00 EDT
From: BigFords1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Waste gate or Direct Injection?

Thanks
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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 17:38:29 -0700
From: "Harald Stenger"
Subject: FTE 97up - Super Duty trailer mirrors

I just got back from the Ford dealer where they installed a new drivers side
powered trailer tow mirror under warranty. It's defective in the same
manner as the old one. The wide angle section that's not adjustable is
aimed too far down and too far inward. I've got a great view of the rear
tire! Ironically, 2 weeks ago when I was at the dealer a guy was picking up
his new Super Duty and I mentioned that the only problem I had with the new
truck was the mirror. He got into his new truck and found his mirror bad
also. Anyone else notice this on their new rigs? Have you got it fixed?
It really a safety issue to not be able to see behind you and I want to get
it fixed asap. The dealer is going to call Ford on monday.

Harald

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Ben Franklin

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 22:23:30 -0500
From: "Sven Setterdahl"
Subject: FTE 97up - '99 F150 tire/wheel question

I'm sure this questions has been asked in the past, but do the trucks come
with all five matching wheels? I'm looking at ordering an XLT 4x4, and
would like to just get the standard tires and buy better aftermarket tires.
Will I have all five styled wheels, or will the spare be a steel wheel?

Thanks,

Sven

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 22:39:02 -0500
From: "Mike Fairleigh"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - '99 F150 tire/wheel question

Spares are steel.

Mike Fairleigh
mikef ....


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