97up-list-digest Saturday, September 12 1998 Volume 01 : Number 210



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In this issue:

FTE 97up - 4r100 transmission issues
Re: FTE 97up - 4r100 transmission issues
Re: FTE 97up - 1998 F-150 question from a brand spankin' new member
Re: FTE 97up - 4r100 transmission issues
FTE 97up - 1999 F-150's
FTE 97up - Ramp!!
Re: FTE 97up - Ramp!!
FTE 97up - F-150: Why no camper rating for 4x4?
Re: FTE 97up - F-150: Why no camper rating for 4x4?

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:13:00 -0400
From: "Bridgman, Derek"
Subject: FTE 97up - 4r100 transmission issues

I have some questions, but first the situation:

1999 F350 diesel dually with automatic (approx. 1,000 miles) towing
11,000 fifth wheel. Air temperature was in the low 90's. It took me
15 minutes of crawling speed (and several back and forth passes) to
get the trailer positioned. Most of the work was backing up a steep
incline.

The transmission shifter started flashing the overdrive off lamp. I
read in the owners manual that this is the transmission control
indicator lamp; basically, call dealer asap and avoid use to prevent
damage. I also noticed a burning smell. I let the truck idle for 10
minutes and the TCIL stopped flashing and the burning smell subsided.
I checked the transmission fluid level and color; both look O.K.

Now for the questions.

How worked up should I get? I doubt that this is normal operating.

1-Should the transmission fluid and/or filter be replaced?

2-What about using synthetic transmission fluid?

3-Banks is releasing its TransCommand for the 4R100 in the next few
weeks. Has anyone used this device on their earlier Ford automatic
transmissions?

Thank you,
Derek
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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:03:51 -0500
From: Jeff Tarant
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 4r100 transmission issues

I've heard the Trans command is worth its weight in gold on the older A4OD's -
however I would not hold my breath on the "next few weeks" more like the next
few months from what I understand...
Secomdly, I would recommend running the synthetic in the trans anyway - it
needs all the help it can get dealing with that PSD!!

Bridgman, Derek wrote:

> I have some questions, but first the situation:
>
> 1999 F350 diesel dually with automatic (approx. 1,000 miles) towing
> 11,000 fifth wheel. Air temperature was in the low 90's. It took me
> 15 minutes of crawling speed (and several back and forth passes) to
> get the trailer positioned. Most of the work was backing up a steep
> incline.
>
> The transmission shifter started flashing the overdrive off lamp. I
> read in the owners manual that this is the transmission control
> indicator lamp; basically, call dealer asap and avoid use to prevent
> damage. I also noticed a burning smell. I let the truck idle for 10
> minutes and the TCIL stopped flashing and the burning smell subsided.
> I checked the transmission fluid level and color; both look O.K.
>
> Now for the questions.
>
> How worked up should I get? I doubt that this is normal operating.
>
> 1-Should the transmission fluid and/or filter be replaced?
>
> 2-What about using synthetic transmission fluid?
>
> 3-Banks is releasing its TransCommand for the 4R100 in the next few
> weeks. Has anyone used this device on their earlier Ford automatic
> transmissions?
>
> Thank you,
> Derek
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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 07:45:00 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 1998 F-150 question from a brand spankin' new member

The clear coat is under the stripe not over it. If you remove the stripe
you'll find that the tutone paint is not a straight line and would look
terrible. They use the stripe to hide the mistakes (they've done this as
long as I can remember). I usually have a pin striper put a stripe on to
replace or cover up the ones I don't like.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.
Union, IA 50258

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From: dwhipkey gte.net
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, September 10, 1998 11:20 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - 1998 F-150 question from a brand spankin' new member


>Fellow ford fans,
>
> I have a new 1998 F-150 Short fleetside (styleside) truck on it's way
>from Ontario. I had a really simple and silly question first: The new
>truck has a stripe about 6 or 7 inches up from thr bottom of the truck
>that divides the Oxford White Clearcoat from the Grey. The question is,
>does anyone know if this stripe has clearcoat over it? We hate the
>purple in the stripe that we saw on all of the rigs at the dealer and
>want to remove it. Any info on how easy (or not) this might be would
>help too.
> Any performance tricks, secrets, part sources, etc. would be
>appreciated too...
>
>THANKS !!!!!!
>
>Dave in Seattle

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:41:27 -0700
From: johny
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 4r100 transmission issues

Yes, a full fluid/filter change is *strongly* encouraged.
(pan and torque converter).
I haven't looked closely at the 99 manual,
but I know one guy with a 97 F350 PSD,(E40D) and the flashing overdrive light
indicates the fluid exceeded 250F. Makes for unhappy automatics and
haters of E40D's (or 4R100's).

Also: I believe the 99's already have synthetic in the autos. Don't know the
part #.

While the trans command may help you in other situations, I don't believe the
transcommand would have helped much in the crawling situation you experienced.
A trans temp guage would have eliminated much grief though.

Below are some snippets of trans Temps measurements on a 99 (4R100 w/PSD)

Hope this helps,
- -john

Check out :

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.abol.com/users/jlester/
chat board, conference 2, message 7288
where it talks about trans temps on the 99.

You can also search on trans fluid temps, and get a sense/explanation
of how trans fluid breaks down in relation to temperature.

--temp does no vary much from these readings as long
--as you are moving - town or freeway - going up or
--down long hills
- -- If you stop for a long period and idle in park
--(like when parking your trailer and/or letting your
- --turbo cool down, the temp has gotten as high as 200
- --(as result of reduced/no air flow)
- --to ck gauge operation w/o driving for 15-20 mins
- --while things warm-up, you can set the parking brake
- --real well, start the diesel, put the trans in Drive
--and it will only take 3-5 mins for the temp to come
--up to 140-150 range.

Bridgman, Derek wrote:

> I have some questions, but first the situation:
>
> 1999 F350 diesel dually with automatic (approx. 1,000 miles) towing
> 11,000 fifth wheel. Air temperature was in the low 90's. It took me
> 15 minutes of crawling speed (and several back and forth passes) to
> get the trailer positioned. Most of the work was backing up a steep
> incline.
>
> The transmission shifter started flashing the overdrive off lamp. I
> read in the owners manual that this is the transmission control
> indicator lamp; basically, call dealer asap and avoid use to prevent
> damage. I also noticed a burning smell. I let the truck idle for 10
> minutes and the TCIL stopped flashing and the burning smell subsided.
> I checked the transmission fluid level and color; both look O.K.
>
> Now for the questions.
>
> How worked up should I get? I doubt that this is normal operating.
>
> 1-Should the transmission fluid and/or filter be replaced?
>
> 2-What about using synthetic transmission fluid?
>
> 3-Banks is releasing its TransCommand for the 4R100 in the next few
> weeks. Has anyone used this device on their earlier Ford automatic
> transmissions?
>
> Thank you,
> Derek
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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 12:51:17 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: FTE 97up - 1999 F-150's

Now that I have gotten in several F-150's here's what I've noticed.

Grille - some like it some don't. Fog lights and lower section look better
(IMHO), but looks like driving through corn fields could cause problems with
the air dam.

Wheels- look much better in person than in the brochures

4th door- same style as 3rd door was. I'm glad you can't see the seem
(except around the window "halo") looks better than Ranger, SD, Chevy, and
Dodge doors.

Seats- 60/40 seats are wider and actually quite a bit more comfortable,
haven't had any buckets yet. Dark graphite interior is a nice change

Radio- CD player is nice, has RDS function, unfortunately no stations around
here (central Iowa) transmit in this format

5.4L- Noticeably more power. This was a real power improvement not the
usual "on paper" change. Compared a 99 S/C 4x4 to a 20K mile 98 R/C 4x4
with Chip and K&N FIPK, ran about dead even despite not being broken in yet.

Fog lights standard on XLT 4x4's- look good.

Regular cab XLT- has storage bin behind seat that was optional last year.

Colors- medium Toreador red is same as on cars, Amazon green is brighter
than Pacific green was, Deep Wedgwood blue is almost black.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.
Union, IA 50258




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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:02:04 -0500
From: "Jack B"
Subject: FTE 97up - Ramp!!

Just found out that my truck is finally off the railcar and at the "ramp"!
Finally.

So maybe we are days away from delivery.

Yea

Jack



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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 12:26:47 -0600
From: Matt Adams
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Ramp!!

geez... you sure are impatient for that truck... anyways, I kinda understand
what you're going through, I had to wait about 9 weeks for my truck, longest 9
weeks of my life. However, the way I think of it, tracking it every step of
the way won't get it there any faster, and if anything, it will seem like it
takes longer to get there... its like watching a pot of water until it
boils... if you just leave it alone for a while, before you know it, its
boiling, otherwise your gonna drive yourself nuts waiting for it to boil.
Congrats on the truck though, I hope you enjoy it as much as I enjoy mine!

Jack B wrote:

> Just found out that my truck is finally off the railcar and at the "ramp"!
> Finally.
>
> So maybe we are days away from delivery.
>
> Yea

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Owner of a 1998 Ford F-150 Moonlight Blue Supercab short bed with mods
includings
(but not limited to) from front to back: Hella 500 Series 55W driving lights,
Elephant Bar
Euro-Style Brush Guard, Bugflector II Bug Deflector, Edelbrock Performance IAS

shocks, BF Goodrich 285-75/16 AT's, Door Sill Protectors, Door moldings,
Smittybilt
black nerf bars, 6-disk CD Changer, side window VentVisor deflectors, Dashmat
Dash
Protector, 40-channel Radio Shack CB, sliding rear window, Snugtop Hi-Liner
topper,
BedRug Bed-liner, Gibson catback dual rear-exit exhaust, Mir-Kyn
hitch-mountable
spare tire rack, full size spare.


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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 22:24:21 -0400
From: Lou Mallia
Subject: FTE 97up - F-150: Why no camper rating for 4x4?

This camper rating business sure is confusing.

I'm looking at a copy of the Camper Information page from the 99 source
book. Can anyone tell me why there is no listing for slide-in camper
capacity for any model of F-150 4x4?

I notice that the ratings for the F-150 4x2's and all F-250 Super Duty's
are close to, if not equal to, each truck's respective max. payload
rating. So, why should there be no similar camper listings at all for
F-150 4x4's?

I would have to believe that as long as you stayed within the max
payload rating, you'd be ok, no? Of course, you can't put much camper
in an F-150 anyway, but I'm considering a soft-side (crank-up) in a
short-bed F-150, so I believe I could sneak in at the max. payload
rating of an F-150, from the camper data I've seen to date.

Any insights out there?

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 21:24:20 -0700
From: dwhipkey gte.net
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - F-150: Why no camper rating for 4x4?

Lou,

My guess is that they don't recommend putting a camper on the 4x4's
because of the increased center of gravity. A crank up wouldn't do much
to raise the CG, but Ford probably has to assume liability in as much
as; If they put a camper rating out there they have to assume some
weeny will put a big ol' tall and long camper on the thing and turn
around and sue them when it rolls over going around a corner. I know
even on my F-350 dually they don't recommend a camper without a huge set....


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