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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - ranger oil light
Re: FTE 97up - Questions about gas tank, tow package, anti-theft system, CD changer
FTE 97up - 1999 Super Duty
Re: FTE 97up - Questions about gas tank, tow package, anti-theft system, CD changer
Re: FTE 97up - ranger oil light
Re: FTE 97up - 1999 Super Duty
Re: FTE 97up - 1999 Super Duty
FTE 97up - 98 FORD RANGER XLT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FTE 97up - F-250 vs F-350
FTE 97up - ADMIN: FTE Incorporation
Re: FTE 97up - F-250 vs F-350
Re: FTE 97up - Transmission to Buy?
FTE 97up - Gas tanks, tow packages, etc
Re: FTE 97up - Replies to my Aux fuel tank questions

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 07:44:56 -0700
From: alanh galaxy.nsc.com (The Hepburn)
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - ranger oil light

> The way that the "low oil light" works is that there is a "float" in the
> side of the oil pan and it will sense when the oil level has dropped below
> that point.

So it is an actual level-sensing warning, rather than the typical
"idiot" light that comes on when you lose pressure?

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:31:42 -0400
From: Chad Royse
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Questions about gas tank, tow package, anti-theft system, CD changer

I can answer some of those for you. Look below for my responses.

Tiger wrote:
>
> 2. TOW PACKAGE. When I ordered options XH9 (3.55 ratio limited slip axle)
> and 535 (trailer towing package), I was under the impression that it came
> with everything I needed to tow should I decide to do that. However, a
> friend looking at my truck said "where's the tow hitch on the bumper?" All
> I see is an electrical outlet and a large square connector beneath the
> bumper which is where I thought the trailer ball attached. I thought the
> ball was supposed to come with the tow package. I guess not. How is it
> supposed to work?

Due to different truck heights and applications, you need to buy what's appropriate
for you. For example you may need a 4 inch drop and a 2 inch ball. You may need a 2
inch drop and a pintle hook. Probably not though. What you do want is to have your
ball and coupler size match and for your trailer to sit level.

> 5. RADIO ANTENNA. I never bothered to look at the antenna until after I
> bought the truck. I noticed that it is not powered and doesn't retract. Are
> all Ford F-150 antennas this way, or did I forget to ask for a power
> antenna option?

Ford doesn't put them on their trucks. You should be able to find some aftermarket
ones, if you really wnat them.
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:30:36 -0700
From: "Harald"
Subject: FTE 97up - 1999 Super Duty

Almost 3 months after ordering my 99 F350,V10,SRW,ESOF,XLT it finally
arrived. A couple of things to be aware of if ordering that I found out
after the truck arrived.

Contrary to what it says in the Kelly Blue book web page, the truck doesn't
come with a spare tire or even a carrier. I didn't want to order the
optional spare because I intended to replace the wheels and tires and
figured why pay extra for a fancy wheel and wrong size tire. I'll be
looking for a wheel and tire and parts to hang it under the bed now.

Read the camper weight specs carefully. They are for a base truck and the
weight rating goes down for every option you add like PSD or V10, rear seat,
etc. I was shocked to see the camper certification that was in the glove
box was for 2595 lb.. Of course this assumes a 150 lb. passenger in each of
the 6 seats on my extended cab. You can subtract accordingly if you're not
carrying that many people. I thought I'd have 3741 lb. capacity according
to the Ford published specs, but it's actually more like 3200 lb..

My only complaint about the new truck? Those power trailer tow mirrors
really need to be retractable.


Sincerely,
Harald Stenger


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temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Ben Franklin


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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:20:28 -0500
From: "Mike Fairleigh"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Questions about gas tank, tow package, anti-theft system, CD changer

> I finally bought a 98 Ford F-150 Super XLT 4.6L V8 with
>automatic.

Personally, I think you made a fine choice (but then I'm biased, since I own
the same truck).

>1. GAS TANK. I know the F-150 comes with a 25.1 gallon gas tank, but how do
>the markings on the Fuel Gauge relate to how much gas is actually in the
>tank? In other words, what's the reserve fuel capacity below where the
>needle points to empty?


I believe the owner's manual mentions the amount left either at "E" or when
the "low fuel" light comes on (I don't recall which). I think the amount
was 2 gallons, but I'm not certain of that.

>
>2. TOW PACKAGE. When I ordered options XH9 (3.55 ratio limited slip axle)
>and 535 (trailer towing package), I was under the impression that it came
>with everything I needed to tow should I decide to do that. However, a
>friend looking at my truck said "where's the tow hitch on the bumper?" All
>I see is an electrical outlet and a large square connector beneath the
>bumper which is where I thought the trailer ball attached. I thought the
>ball was supposed to come with the tow package. I guess not. How is it
>supposed to work?


If you get down and look up underneath, you'll see that that *is* the hitch
(and a nice one, in my opinion). This type of hitch is known as a receiver
hitch. The only thing missing is the ball and the piece the ball mounts on,
which together shouldn't cost you more than $20 or so. They can't include
this in the package because your needs will vary depending on what you tow.
Trailer heights vary, and there are at least 3 different ball sizes in use
to match various trailers.

It also sounds like your friend was expecting to see a ball mounted on the
bumper itself. You can tow using the bumper instead of the hitch, by prying
the appropriate round plastic cover off the bumper and mounting a ball
there. However, your towing capacity is less when towing with the bumper,
and I can't think of any reason to do that when you're all set up to do it
"properly."

>
>3. ANTI-THEFT SYSTEM. I admit I didn't properly research the features of
>the anti-theft system. I went solely by the recommendation of another Ford
>F-150 owner who told me it was cheaper to have an anti-theft system factory
>installed in the truck. All I asked the salesman about the anti-theft
>system was "if I get the remote keyless entry/anti-theft system do I need
>any other anti-theft system installed?" and he said no. So I paid an extra
>$225 for option 904 (remote keyless entry/anti theft). When I took delivery
>of the vehicle, I asked how all the features of the anti-theft system
>worked. This guy said "What features? All it does is prevent someone with
>the wrong key from starting your vehicle." Huh? Doesn't any key do that?
>
>On pages 34-35 of the manual, it describes a "Perimeter Alarm System (if
>equipped)". I assume this is what I got? It says "when unauthorized entry
>occurs, the system will flash the parking lamps and the theft indicator
>lamp, and chirp the horn". That's really helpful... Unauthorized entry how
>and where?
>
>Somehow I feel like I flushed $225 down the drain for this feature. I
>thought I was getting something comparable to a $350 Alpine system I
>priced. Now if I get the Alpine system, the $225 system has to be removed
>or disabled?


When you leave the vehicle and arm the system (done simply by locking the
doors, either with the 'lock' button on the door interior or by pressing the
'lock' button on your remote), if anyone (including you) then opens either
door by any means without first disarming the system (by pressing the
'unlock' button on your remote) then all the flashing and honking happens.
Even if you have the system armed and you unlock the truck with the key and
open the door - without disarming using the 'unlock' button - the alarms
sound. If (when) this ever happens, just get in the truck, put the key in
the ignition, turn it to 'on' (not 'start') then back to 'off' and the alarm
is turned off.

BTW, it isn't just the parking lamps that flash. The headlamps do too, or
at least they do on my '98. It's always possible that a design change has
been made since.

I'm not familiar with the Alpine system, but if it's one of those where the
alarms go off because the wind blew or someone walked within 10 feet of the
truck, well, you can have it, AFAIC
.
>
>4. 6-CD CHANGER. I'm very glad I paid the extra $340 for this. I found out
>that I would've had to pay about $400 to get a new cassette/CD changer set
>from Circuit City. AFAIK, it's a Clarion system. I priced how much an extra
>CA-122 6-CD magazine costs and I nearly fainted... $35 each! Does anyone
>else with this 6-CD changer know where to find these CD magazines cheaper?

I'd buy a case of them at $35. I paid almost $50 at my nearest dealer. Of
course, the part number on mine is different than what you mention, so
perhaps it's a different unit.

>
>5. RADIO ANTENNA. I never bothered to look at the antenna until after I
>bought the truck. I noticed that it is not powered and doesn't retract. Are
>all Ford F-150 antennas this way, or did I forget to ask for a power
>antenna option?


They don't have the option. Having had a power antenna on my previous
vehicle (a 1984 Pontiac Trans Am), and having had to replace it twice during
the 11 years I owned the car because it simply wore out, at a cost of about
$300 each time (the nylon cord that drives the antenna up and down tends to
break from all the flexing over time), I was very happy to have a simple,
fixed antenna that will never need attention.

Congratulations on your new truck.

Mike Fairleigh
mikef sky.net
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:23:31 -0500
From: daryl.rue juno.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - ranger oil light

does that mean there is not one in a diesel but there is a float in the
gas engines?

Thanks,

Daryl
On Mon, 13 Jul 1998 07:44:56 -0700 alanh galaxy.nsc.com (The Hepburn)
writes:
>> The way that the "low oil light" works is that there is a "float"
>in the
>> side of the oil pan and it will sense when the oil level has dropped
>below
>> that point.
>
>So it is an actual level-sensing warning, rather than the typical
>"idiot" light that comes on when you lose pressure?
>
>---
>
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>|
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>|
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>|
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:21:01 -0500
From: daryl.rue juno.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 1999 Super Duty

you mean the power ones do not fold in like the manuals. I wish I got
the power ones.

Daryl
On Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:30:36 -0700 "Harald"
writes:
>Almost 3 months after ordering my 99 F350,V10,SRW,ESOF,XLT it finally
>arrived. A couple of things to be aware of if ordering that I found
>out
>after the truck arrived.
>
>Contrary to what it says in the Kelly Blue book web page, the truck
>doesn't
>come with a spare tire or even a carrier. I didn't want to order the
>optional spare because I intended to replace the wheels and tires and
>figured why pay extra for a fancy wheel and wrong size tire. I'll be
>looking for a wheel and tire and parts to hang it under the bed now.
>
>Read the camper weight specs carefully. They are for a base truck and
>the
>weight rating goes down for every option you add like PSD or V10, rear
>seat,
>etc. I was shocked to see the camper certification that was in the
>glove
>box was for 2595 lb.. Of course this assumes a 150 lb. passenger in
>each of
>the 6 seats on my extended cab. You can subtract accordingly if
>you're not
>carrying that many people. I thought I'd have 3741 lb. capacity
>according
>to the Ford published specs, but it's actually more like 3200 lb..
>
>My only complaint about the new truck? Those power trailer tow
>mirrors
>really need to be retractable.
>
>
>Sincerely,
>Harald Stenger
>
>
>"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
> temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Ben Franklin
>
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:45:50 -0400
From: Chad Royse
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 1999 Super Duty

They fold, but I think what Harald meant was they don't push straight in (like they
look like they could) so you don't have to have it in 'Dumbo' when not towing.
...and I agree.

Chad

daryl.rue juno.com wrote:
>
> you mean the power ones do not fold in like the manuals. I wish I got
> the power ones.
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:22:35 -0400
From: Mark Kuziv
Subject: FTE 97up - 98 FORD RANGER XLT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ordered my 1998 Ford Ranger XLT 4-door with power everything about 6
weeks ago.I've driven my 93 XLT for 5 years and have accrued 150,000
miles and it's time.Any body out there with a new 98 or know cool site
dedicated to Rangers or custom accessories????????
Thanks for any help!!!!!!!!!
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 20:45:38 -0400
From: "John Fisher"
Subject: FTE 97up - F-250 vs F-350

I've never owned a truck before and I'm hoping that some of you with
experience can help me out. I intend to buy a 5th wheel that will weigh
about 13,200 lbs loaded with a hitch weight of 2,200 lbs. It appears that a
250 or a 350 can pull the same amount of weight. So, what truck is better
for this trailer? I want to get the 7.3L diesel. So what is better with the
diesel, the 4-speed auto or the 6 speed standard? Also, if I went with the
F-350, is it better to go SRW or DRW?

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:34:36 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: FTE Incorporation

Ford Truck Enthusiasts, Inc. received its paperwork from the
State of Georgia on Saturday. It held its organizational
meeting yesterday evening and is now operating as a corporation.

Don't expect to see many changes in the day to day operations
of the site other than improvements I've discussed in the
past. The formation of a corporation was a natural result
of our growth and exposure. The possibility of a club still
exists and is being discussed off the list with some list
members.

Thanks,
Ken Payne
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:39:41 EDT
From: BlankfortJ aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - F-250 vs F-350

If the truck is a purly only a tow veichel than I'd go with the 350 DRW for
the stability of the DRW. Otherwise I'd go with the 250 becuase of the better
ride quality, same tow capacity and the fact that unloaded it won't kill your
kidneys going down the road.

Stick vs. auto? This is beaten to death, but basically if you're on the open
road a lot and don't have to deal with stop and go traffic I'd go with the
stick. For one you get compression breaking and longer life.

Hope this helps.

John Blankfort
blankfortj aol.com

In a message dated 7/13/98 5:48:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
jefisher javanet.com writes:


experience can help me out. I intend to buy a 5th wheel that will weigh
about 13,200 lbs loaded with a hitch weight of 2,200 lbs. It appears that a
250 or a 350 can pull the same amount of weight. So, what truck is better
for this trailer? I want to get the 7.3L diesel. So what is better with the
diesel, the 4-speed auto or the 6 speed standard? Also, if I went with the
F-350, is it better to go SRW or DRW? >>
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:49:50 -0700
From: Bob Illingworth
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Transmission to Buy?


Neil:
I have a SD550 CC 4X4 7.3 6 Speed. I just turned 7300 miles and I love
it.
Just made a 2000 mile trip GVW 16000 lbs. Average mileage 11.0 be careful!!!
I have owned 3 GM products with auto's and with hwavy load's pulled
the guts  out of them.
The new 6 speed offers a great gear selection you can do yourself.
Computers are good for some things but not shifting gears!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good luck:

Bob I

Neil Stahl wrote:
Folks,
  I'm about to order a 450 diesel crew cab 4x4.  We are going
to become
full-time RV'rs, pulling a 7 ton + fifth wheel.
  Probably the truck will do that a day or two about every two
weeks,
otherwise it will be our running-around vehicle.
  My wife would prefer an automatic, but would drive the standard. 
I
prefer standard transmissions in general, but have never driven a rig
nearly as heavy as this will be with the trailer on.
  We expect to be in lots of kinds of terrain, including mountains.

  I'd appreciate comments from people with the experience to give
good
advice on the advantages or disadvantages of each transmission for
our
kind of usage.

  ALSO:  on a newsgroup someone said if you get a 4x4 you
should get
limited-slip differential.  Comments?  I've seen a list of
options and
l.-s.d. doesn't seem to be one.  Anyone know if that's true?

Thanks.
Neil Stahl
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 00:04:22 -0600
From: pmeanea
Subject: FTE 97up - Gas tanks, tow packages, etc

Gas Tank----As soon as warning comes on, find a gas station! My 97
F-150 light comes on with anywhere from 3--5 gallons left in tank. I
would rather get gas earlier than later. I am not sure how much of the
25 gallons capacity is dead capacity (can't be used). I am basically
lazy--don't want to have to walk to a gas station!

Tow package----The large square connector beneath the rear bumper is
called a "receiver hitch" and is how most all good tow packages come
now. You need to go to a good trailer place and buy the ball and
adapter. The adapters come in various styles to best fit the trailer
you will be towing. The adapters slide into the receiver and are held
with a round pin secured with a safety clip. You will see how this
works when you get the adapter and ball. The various adapters control
the "lift" or "drop" of the ball from the receiver so that your trailer
rides level with the pickup. when you get the adaptor, you will need to

know the height of the trailer hitch when the trailer is sitting level.
This is the reason that the manufactors do not include the adapter and
ball with the unit, because they don't know what your requirement will
be for "lift" or "drop" or what ball size your trailer requires. Once
again, go to a good trailer place and you will see how this all works.
The electrical connecter is a "RV" type plug and in my experience, is
one of the best types. There are various plug converters available at a

trailer place so that you do not have to change the plug on your
trailer.

Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 22:43:00 -0700
From: Tiger
Subject: FTE 97up - Questions about gas tank, tow package, anti-theft
system, CD changer

1. GAS TANK. I know the F-150 comes with a 25.1 gallon gas tank, but how

do
the markings on the Fuel Gauge relate to how much gas is actually in the

tank? In other words, what's the reserve fuel capacity below where the
needle points to empty?

2. TOW PACKAGE. When I ordered options XH9 (3.55 ratio limited slip
axle)
and 535 (trailer towing package), I was under the impression that it
came
with everything I needed to tow should I decide to do that. However, a
friend looking at my truck said "where's the tow hitch on the bumper?"
All
I see is an electrical outlet and a large square connector beneath the
bumper which is where I thought the trailer ball attached. I thought the

ball was supposed to come with the tow package. I guess not. How is it
supposed to work?




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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:00:29 -0700
From: Bob Illingworth
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Replies to my Aux fuel tank questions


Charles:
I am going to add a tank to my 550 but I am going to have an equilizer
tube between the tanks, Fill only one transfer via tube at bottom and use
all existing parts.
Going to talk to transfer flo this week about the tank.
Keep you posted.
Bob I

Charles Hosier wrote:
    To all those that replied to my
aux fuel tank questions for my 97
F-150.....many thanks.  I spoke with the folks at Transfer Flow....


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