97up-list-digest Wednesday, June 10 1998 Volume 01 : Number 114



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In this issue:

FTE 97up - Re: 1999 Pics
Re: FTE 97up - Quality
Re: FTE 97up - 99 Super Duty Wheels - Cast/Forged
FTE 97up - Buying a Ford Expedition
Re: FTE 97up - Buying a Ford Expedition
Re: FTE 97up - Buying a Ford Expedition
Re: FTE 97up - Buying a Ford Expedition
Re: FTE 97up - Buying a Ford Expedition
Re: FTE 97up - Buying a Ford Expedition
RE: FTE 97up - 99 F-150 Photos
Re: FTE 97up - 99 F-150 Photos

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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 08:50:50 EDT
From: JDavis1277 aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: 1999 Pics

Mark,
Nice pictures. Thanks!
Butch Davis-
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Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 08:58:10 -0400
From: Chad Royse
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Quality

Wink,

Are you the one that used to go by the name '.' (Dot)?

Chad

. wrote:
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> I sometimes WONDER???????
> DELETED
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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:07:54 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 Super Duty Wheels - Cast/Forged

The steel wheel is a16x7 .25 offset 8 bolt rated for 3415 max. wheel
capacity (lb. ground)

The Deluxe aluminum wheel is a 16x7 .25 offset 8 bolt rated for 3415 max.
wheel capacity

The Premium aluminum wheel is a 16x7 .25 offset 8 bolt rated for 3415 max.
wheel capacity.

Ford rates them all the same. The XLT wheel (deluxe aluminum) is about the
same Forged wheel as last year's truck (made by Alcoa). I can't really tell
on the Lariat but it looks cast to me. I don't look for a problem but I'll
ask the question and find out. It takes about a week to get an answer so
I'll let you know then.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

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From: Roy E. Springer
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, June 08, 1998 11:19 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - 99 Super Duty Wheels - Cast/Forged


>Re: 99 Super Duty SRW
>
>"Deluxe" Aluminum wheels come with XLT PEP
>"Premium" Aluminum wheels come with Lariat PEP
>
>Was looking at the 99's, and someone remarked that the XLT wheels appear to
>be "forged aluminum", and the Lariat wheels appear to be "cast aluminum",
>and that the XLT wheels would therefore be stronger and less susceptible to
>damage. Could this be true?
>
>A related question: are you serious 4 wheelers out there seeing damaged
>stock wheels, and if so what wheels are you using?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Roy


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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 98 15:02:04 -0400
From: psmith1 os.dhhs.gov
Subject: FTE 97up - Buying a Ford Expedition

I am planning on ordering a '99 Expediton as soon as they are available
later this summer. I have several questions for any Expediton enthusiasts:

What are all the reviewers talking about regarding the highway steering
sway? Does the Expedition have a steering problem?

What about the height issue: I'm hearing a lot of different versions of
total height to contend with. My concern is fitting an Eddie Bauer (17"
wheels, luggage rack, etc.) into a parking garage with a 6'7" limit. Will
this be possible? Can the cross pieces of the luggage rack be easily
removed? I've heard that the biggest problem is the antenna being the
tallest point. A suggestion was to install a power antenna. Is there room
to do this without a major effort?

What about new features for '99? Any inside word?

Thanks.

Pierre L. Smith


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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:59:19 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Buying a Ford Expedition

For 98 the Cross bars are removable, but I don't know for 99 as they're
going to have a lower luggage rack. As for steering sway the Expedition is
tall and catches a lot of wind so it gets blown around (like all other
vehicles of this type) in a crosswind.
Changes for 1999
new colors:
Spruce Green
Harvest Gold
Tropic Green
Deep Wedgewood Blue
Deleted colors
light prairie tan
Vermont green
light denim blue
pacific Green
Restyled front bumper and grille (similar to F-150)
Restyled 16" cast aluminum wheels (delayed availability)
all new 17" styled steel chromed wheels replace aluminum 17" wheels
Triton V-8 emblems on fenders and liftgate
Green interior deleted and Dark Graphite interior added.
New carpet and seat cloth
Horsepower improved on 4.6L and 5.4L (doesn't say how much)
Power adjustable pedal system allowing forward and rearward adjustment of
accelerator and brake pedal
New auto temperature control on Eddie Bauer (like navigator had)
Keyless entry numeric keypad on drivers door
Premium stereo radio with speed compensated volume control.
CD changer standard with Eddie Bauer (w/captains chairs)
Heated leather seats (available on late 1998 models also)


Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

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From: psmith1 os.dhhs.gov
To: 97up-list-digest ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, June 09, 1998 2:22 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Buying a Ford Expedition


>I am planning on ordering a '99 Expediton as soon as they are available
>later this summer. I have several questions for any Expediton enthusiasts:
>
>What are all the reviewers talking about regarding the highway steering
>sway? Does the Expedition have a steering problem?
>
>What about the height issue: I'm hearing a lot of different versions of
>total height to contend with. My concern is fitting an Eddie Bauer (17"
>wheels, luggage rack, etc.) into a parking garage with a 6'7" limit. Will
>this be possible? Can the cross pieces of the luggage rack be easily
>removed? I've heard that the biggest problem is the antenna being the
>tallest point. A suggestion was to install a power antenna. Is there room
>to do this without a major effort?
>
>What about new features for '99? Any inside word?
>
>Thanks.
>
>Pierre L. Smith


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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 17:08:15 EDT
From: BigFords1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Buying a Ford Expedition

Highway steering sway: from my experience that happens because the shocks
aren't so stiff. Won't cause any problems. It steers great, just sways when
turning sharp at high speed.

How tall is the rack from the roof?
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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 17:12:19 EDT
From: BigFords1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Buying a Ford Expedition

Is the new Grill going to be like the F-150 2WD XL?
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Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 17:25:08 -0400
From: Mark Lee
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Buying a Ford Expedition

I have owned a 97 Expedition since last August. I bought it at the end
of the model year and saved considerably.

Steering: In my opinion the steering couldn't be better! As a matter
of fact it is one of the vehicle's strong points. Unlike most trucks
with stiff steering the Expedition is extremely easy to handle in the
city. Everyone in our family drives the vehicle even my 16 year old
daughter who actually prefers the steering to that of our 97 Mustang!
The overall platform is incredibly stable and easy to drive especially
on long trips. We have traveled on 3 3000+ mile trips and have nothing
but positive comments.

Height: As far as height is concerned, while I have not experienced a
problem with height specifically, there have been 1 or 2 garages where
the fit has been tight (I have an E. Bauer with 17s, and the air
suspension). If you are concerned about parking garages in general, you
should not be as it will fit most parking garages in my experience. If
you are concerned about one in particular (such as the one at work) take
an Expedition out for a test drive and try it out. Most garages have a
yellow and black "limit bar" at the entrance to the garage which allows
you to accurately check the height restriction before you enter the
garage.

Antenna: If the antenna is the same on the 99s as it is on the 97s, it
is a very thin whip antenna and it doesn't bother it any to hit objects.
It is made to go through car washes etc. and is extremely durable. In a
way it can be useful, as it alerts you to low ceilings, marked or
otherwise.

HOT looks: I installed a black Smitty grille and brush guard, EGR
headlight and taillight covers with a pair of high intensity black
"crate style" SRB fog lamps and the vehicle looks totally HOT! I get
double takes and compliments everywhere I go.

5.4L Hard on gas: The only negative I can think of is the gas mileage.
Just like its GM counterparts the Yukon/Suburban, gas mileage is quite
poor, only about 18 mpg with the 5.4L. If you live in the US where gas
is relatively cheap, this is less of an issue. I Canada we pay over
$3.00 per imperial gallon for gas and it is therefor a greater
consideration.

My opinion: You will not be disappointed with the Expedition. I am not
aware of 99 feature changes, if there are any.



Sincerely,


Mark Lee


psmith1 os.dhhs.gov wrote:
>
> I am planning on ordering a '99 Expediton as soon as they are available etc etc. (post cut down)
> Thanks.
>
> Pierre L. Smith
>
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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 17:30:47 EDT
From: BigFords1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Buying a Ford Expedition

In a message dated 6/9/98 3:29:25 PM Mountain Daylight Time, marklee2 home.com
writes:

> Steering: In my opinion the steering couldn't be better! As a matter
> of fact it is one of the vehicle's strong points. Unlike most trucks
> with stiff steering the Expedition is extremely easy to handle in the
> city.

I agree! The steering is so easy. Doesn't resist.
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Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 11:54:52 -0500
From: "Beaman, James"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - 99 F-150 Photos

Harry (KWkM3 aol.com) wrote:

> I dont know of a site but my buddy(who is an engineer with ford) had a
> magazine with the pic. I forget the name of the mag.
>
> Harry
>
The really important information in this post is not that Harry's buddy had
a magazine with the picture of the new Expedition but that his buddy is an
engineer at Ford. Any chance he is an engineer in the light truck area or
knows someone who is? It would be great if we could get someone like this
on the group at least occasionally upon whom we could bombard questions
about topics such as tow ratings, transmission improvements, rearview mirror
buttons, etc. for past and present models. Well, how about it, Harry?

James Beaman
james.beaman lmco.com
Houston, Texas
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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:50:50 EDT
From: KWkM3 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 F-150 Photos

There is a ford engineer who participates in discussion on the ford expedition
mailing list. I havent been on that list in ages so i dont know if he is still
around. My friend works in the recall division and he travels a lot(as do i)....

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