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97up-list-digest Saturday, May 9 1998 Volume 01 : Number 077 ======================================================================= Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1997 and Newer Trucks and Vans Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, send email to: majordomo  ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 97up-list-digest" in the body of the message. ======================================================================= In this issue: FTE 97up - Gibson Super Truck Exhaust Re: FTE 97up - Recall FTE 97up - 98 Ranger FTE 97up - 98 Ranger FTE 97up - Year end Balance out information Re: FTE 97up - 98 Ranger Re: FTE 97up - 98 Ranger FTE 97up - Recall FTE 97up - New 1997 F350 crew cab towing capacity Re: FTE 97up - Recall FTE 97up - F150 3rd Door FTE 97up - Re: Recall FTE 97up - delivery dates FTE 97up - Re: delivery dates Re: FTE 97up - delivery dates ======================================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 7:58:00 -0500 From: jamann jjma.com Subject: FTE 97up - Gibson Super Truck Exhaust Hey guys,=20 =20 Maybe one of you could help me out with a few questions=2E I want t= o=20 know what a stock F150 will sound like with this type of exhaust=2E Wi= ll=20 it make it louder or what is the new sound that the truck will make=2E= I=20 was told that it will improve fuel consumption and add HP=2E Another ?= =20 is would anyone know what states this system is illegal in and why is=20 it illegal to have this exhaust in those states=2E =20 Just wondering=2E was thinking about getting an upgrade from the facto= ry=20 muffler system=2E =20 Thankx =20 Jason = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 97up-list ford-trucks.com Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo ford-trucks.com with "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 07:34:03 -0500 From: "Union Auto" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Recall Got another update this morning. 1999 F-250 Super Duty vehicles are not involved in this recall. 1999 F-350 Super Duty SRW vehicles are still covered and repair and claiming instructions should be faxed to dealers no later than may 8th. OASIS will be activated for this recall on Friday May 8th. So after today we should know what this entails. Nathan Bernard Union Auto, Inc. - -----Original Message----- From: Union Auto To: Ford Truck list Date: Thursday, May 07, 1998 5:41 PM Subject: FTE 97up - Recall >I got a message on a new recall for Super Duty F-series trucks. It only >affects SRW 1999's built between 1/26/98 and 4/24/98. It is numbered 98S16. >What it says (short version) is that the rust inhibitor used on the brakes >can cause the the parking brake to not stop the vehicle on a 20% grade. >Don't bother calling your dealer yet because Ford has not said how to fix it >or what VIN's are affected (some in this time frame might not be). I'll >post it when we hear something. > >Nathan Bernard >Union Auto, Inc. >Union, IA 50258 = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 97up-list ford-trucks.com Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo ford-trucks.com with "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 14:25:29 -0400 From: "Gary Cochran" Subject: FTE 97up - 98 Ranger Well.... I didn't have to ask to drive another one because they offered. Another model exactly like mine only different color. I didn't drive it very far but it did seem to be doing the same thing for the short time I drove it. I just think it is strange that as much as I notice this problem, no one else seems to think anything of it. I have not read about this in any of the magazine reviews on the new Ranger and I would think it would at least warrent a little gig if it were a problem with every truck. I'm sure it can be fixed but of course the dealer will not change anything on the computer without it coming from Ford. Gues I will just keep plugging away until I can come up with some kind of answer. Gary > >Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 18:30:47 EDT >From: RAMWORKER >Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 98 Ranger > >Hi Gary, > My guess is that your computer may be on the fritz. Don't let your dealer >jerk you around, it's too bad everyone can't be near a good dealer like >unionauto. If they tell you they all do this, tell them you want to take a >ride in one of their nice fresh new ones that do this. You and I know that it >won't and they'll have to resort to a new lie or try harder to fix it. > Good luck, > Robert Stout > >In a message dated 98-05-06 23:49:59 EDT, you write: > >> I have had it in to the dealer and they have been unable to diagnose any >> problem.... nothing shows up on the error codes. Their guess is that the >> computer is changing the spark advance or adjusting the fuel flow in an >> attempt to get the max mileage and or cut down on emissions. Their comment >> is the classic " they all do this." >> >> My question is " do they all do this?" > = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 97up-list ford-trucks.com Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo ford-trucks.com with "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 14:25:29 -0400 From: "Gary Cochran" Subject: FTE 97up - 98 Ranger Well.... I didn't have to ask to drive another one because they offered. Another model exactly like mine only different color. I didn't drive it very far but it did seem to be doing the same thing for the short time I drove it. I just think it is strange that as much as I notice this problem, no one else seems to think anything of it. I have not read about this in any of the magazine reviews on the new Ranger and I would think it would at least warrent a little gig if it were a problem with every truck. I'm sure it can be fixed but of course the dealer will not change anything on the computer without it coming from Ford. Gues I will just keep plugging away until I can come up with some kind of answer. Gary > >Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 18:30:47 EDT >From: RAMWORKER >Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 98 Ranger > >Hi Gary, > My guess is that your computer may be on the fritz. Don't let your dealer >jerk you around, it's too bad everyone can't be near a good dealer like >unionauto. If they tell you they all do this, tell them you want to take a >ride in one of their nice fresh new ones that do this. You and I know that it >won't and they'll have to resort to a new lie or try harder to fix it. > Good luck, > Robert Stout > >In a message dated 98-05-06 23:49:59 EDT, you write: > >> I have had it in to the dealer and they have been unable to diagnose any >> problem.... nothing shows up on the error codes. Their guess is that the >> computer is changing the spark advance or adjusting the fuel flow in an >> attempt to get the max mileage and or cut down on emissions. Their comment >> is the classic " they all do this." >> >> My question is " do they all do this?" > = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 97up-list ford-trucks.com Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo ford-trucks.com with "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 14:00:11 -0500 From: "Union Auto" Subject: FTE 97up - Year end Balance out information Items that are done being scheduled for the 1998 Model year. Note Super Duty's are 1999's and are not subject to balance out this year unless Ford decides to drop an option. F-Series LD Reg. cab with CD changer Cordovan Trim Willow Trim Windstar 3.8L V-6 Explorer FE Evergreen Frost paint JC Dessert Violet paint Ranger JK Boysenberry Blue paint No orders will get scheduled after today with these options. If the unit is already scheduled for production this will have no affect. Nathan Bernard Union Auto, Inc. = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 97up-list ford-trucks.com Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo ford-trucks.com with "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 12:50:23 -0700 From: WiNk Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 98 Ranger In my case I drove another one supposedly exactly like mine. It had the same problems and the problems were worst than mine. It was a good test because it prooved that the vehilce was on a "premature" failure curve. In one state the life cycle for the vehicle by law is 120,000 miles. This mileage I presume of for drive train, and engines. Gary Cochran wrote: > Well.... I didn't have to ask to drive another one because they offered. > Another model exactly like mine only different color. I didn't drive it > very far but it did seem to be doing the same thing for the short time I > drove it. I just think it is strange that as much as I notice this problem, > no one else seems to think anything of it. I have not read about this in > any of the magazine reviews on the new Ranger and I would think it would at > least warrent a little gig if it were a problem with every truck. > > I'm sure it can be fixed but of course the dealer will not change anything > on the computer without it coming from Ford. Gues I will just keep plugging > away until I can come up with some kind of answer. > > Gary > > > > >Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 18:30:47 EDT > >From: RAMWORKER > >Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 98 Ranger > > > >Hi Gary, > > My guess is that your computer may be on the fritz. Don't let your dealer > >jerk you around, it's too bad everyone can't be near a good dealer like > >unionauto. If they tell you they all do this, tell them you want to take a > >ride in one of their nice fresh new ones that do this. You and I know that > it > >won't and they'll have to resort to a new lie or try harder to fix it. > > Good luck, > > Robert Stout > > > >In a message dated 98-05-06 23:49:59 EDT, you write: > > > >> I have had it in to the dealer and they have been unable to diagnose any > >> problem.... nothing shows up on the error codes. Their guess is that > the > >> computer is changing the spark advance or adjusting the fuel flow in an > >> attempt to get the max mileage and or cut down on emissions. Their > comment > >> is the classic " they all do this." > >> > >> My question is " do they all do this?" > > > > = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== > Send posts to: 97up-list ford-trucks.com > Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo ford-trucks.com with > "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the message body. > ======================================================================= = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 97up-list ford-trucks.com Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo ford-trucks.com with "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 17:26:52 EDT From: RAMWORKER Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 98 Ranger Hi Gary, I'm sure sorry they don't have a fix for you yet. The last time I know of Ford doing anything like this was in the late '70's, when they publicly stated (not just told complaining owners) that LIGHT pinging was a normal condition. I was a professional mechanic back then and had several customers asking if we could fix the problem. We tried retarding timing the timing, but all that did was kill mileage and power. So then we tried larger jets in the carb and that helped, but made us VERY nervous as this is E.P.A. illegal. Oh man, for the good old days when you still fix things without getting factories and computer programers involved. This should NOT be a normal condition. But it does sound like you've got a good dealer. Keep plugging, maybe you can get a zone rep involved. I'm not trying to imply anything here, but there have been times I've been unable to satisfy a customer. One time in particular, A customer put steel belted non radial tires on his Mark IV Lincoln and we couldn't get the tires balanced to his satisfaction, when I finally got to go for a ride with him, I realized that balance was not the problem, but simply that the tires were harsh on the pavement (i.e. transmitting TOO much feel of the road, the Mark's suspension was designed for the Michelin steel belted radial which do absorb some road irregularities) We finally removed the tires and refunded his money as he refused to get radials again. Make sure that the problem is defined correctly and that they understand the problem. Good Luck, Robert Stout In a message dated 98-05-08 14:30:37 EDT, you write: > Well.... I didn't have to ask to drive another one because they offered. > Another model exactly like mine only different color. I didn't drive it > very far but it did seem to be doing the same thing for the short time I > drove it. I just think it is strange that as much as I notice this problem, > no one else seems to think anything of it. I have not read about this in > any of the magazine reviews on the new Ranger and I would think it would at > least warrent a little gig if it were a problem with every truck. > > I'm sure it can be fixed but of course the dealer will not change anything > on the computer without it coming from Ford. Gues I will just keep plugging > away until I can come up with some kind of answer. = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 97up-list ford-trucks.com Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo ford-trucks.com with "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 17:25:42 -0400 From: Mitch Biarsky Subject: FTE 97up - Recall Nathan, This is the first recall I've heard on the '99 Superduty's. I have a F350 SRW CC 4x4 PSD. Can you post any other recall's or TSB's for this truck or all '99s. Is there a site that contains this info??? Ken: More work for ya, can you put a web page that contains this sort of info for the '99s. Thanks much, Mitch > Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 17:31:38 -0500 > From: "Union Auto" > Subject: FTE 97up - Recall > > I got a message on a new recall for Super Duty F-series trucks. It only > affects SRW 1999's built between 1/26/98 and 4/24/98. It is numbered 98S16. > What it says (short version) is that the rust inhibitor used on the brakes > can cause the the parking brake to not stop the vehicle on a 20% grade. > Don't bother calling your dealer yet because Ford has not said how to fix it > or what VIN's are affected (some in this time frame might not be). I'll > post it when we hear something. > > Nathan Bernard > Union Auto, Inc. > Union, IA 50258 > = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 97up-list ford-trucks.com Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo ford-trucks.com with "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 14:50:50 -0700 From: STEPHEN_WITTE hp-sandiego-om2.om.hp.com Subject: FTE 97up - New 1997 F350 crew cab towing capacity Hello folks, I've only signed up for this list yesterday, so I apologize if I've overstepped the rules by asking this question: I just bought a brand new 1997 F350 4X4 crew cab with a 460 V8 and 5 speed manual transmission and 3.55 diff ratio. This truck (which is absolutely wonderful except for its gas mileage) turns out to have a fairly low towing capacity of 5,900 lbs. If I had bought the same truck with an automatic, it's towing capacity would have been about 9000+ lbs. Also, if it was a manual with the 7.5 diesel motor, it too would have been about 9500 lbs or so. The question: If I do the dumbest thing I can think of, I would go out a buy a 9500 lb fifth wheel trailer and tow it with this new truck. What is going to break? If I take it easy on the road with this big rig, keep speeds down and use gears 1 through 4, would this truck not last 100 years or so? It seems to me that an F350 is an F350: i.e. same brakes, same Ujoints, same tires, same springs, perhaps some slightly different differential ratios. Is the manual 5 spd transmission the weak link? By the way, the truck did come with the 'super cooling' feature. Also, by the way, I did discuss this towing limitation with my mechanic, and he thought it would be a straight forward repair to change out both differential (front and rear) ratio gears to the 4.10 ratios which have the higher towing capacity ($1000 repair). I'd rather not tear into my brand new differentials. Any advice you guys might provide would be most helpful... Thank you - Stephen Witte San Diego, California 92064 email: witte sdd.hp.com = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 97up-list ford-trucks.com Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo ford-trucks.com with "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 17:40:55 -0500 From: "Union Auto" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Recall There have been two other recalls (that I know of). The first was to check the first weeks production of DRW trucks with the optional spare tire because some of them got the SRW spare. The second was to check a bolt that could rub a battery cable (again a very early produced truck only.) All three of the recalls are nothing serious and you should not worry. The first two would have been done by now or you'd have gotten a letter from Ford, and the third one is nothing that I would personally worry about. We tested a F-350 we have and the parking brakes work fine. I have a big complaint with the media making a big deal about recalls trying to scare people when most recalls are just small trim items. I saw maybe two recalls last year that were actually anything serious, and both of those could lead to a blown engine in witch case they would give you a new one. Nathan Bernard Union Auto, Inc. - -----Original Message----- From: Mitch Biarsky To: fordtrucks97up Date: Friday, May 08, 1998 4:37 PM Subject: FTE 97up - Recall >Nathan, > >This is the first recall I've heard on the '99 Superduty's. I have a >F350 SRW CC 4x4 PSD. Can you post any other recall's or TSB's for this >truck or all '99s. Is there a site that contains this info??? > >Ken: More work for ya, can you put a web page that contains this sort of >info for the '99s. > >Thanks much, Mitch > > >> Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 17:31:38 -0500 >> From: "Union Auto" >> Subject: FTE 97up - Recall >> >> I got a message on a new recall for Super Duty F-series trucks. It only >> affects SRW 1999's built between 1/26/98 and 4/24/98. It is numbered 98S16. >> What it says (short version) is that the rust inhibitor used on the brakes >> can cause the the parking brake to not stop the vehicle on a 20% grade. >> Don't bother calling your dealer yet because Ford has not said how to fix it >> or what VIN's are affected (some in this time frame might not be). I'll >> post it when we hear something. >> >> Nathan Bernard >> Union Auto, Inc. >> Union, IA 50258 >> > > >= Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== >Send posts to: 97up-list ford-trucks.com >Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo ford-trucks.com with >"unsubscribe 97up-list" in the message body. >======================================================================= = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 97up-list ford-trucks.com Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo ford-trucks.com with "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 17:28:17 -0700 From: "George Jeffers" Subject: FTE 97up - F150 3rd Door The 3rd door is very convenient. We transport a lot of dogs, and it makes in and out simple and gives you lots of extra storage room for people, pets or stuff. I wouldn't have the extended cab without it. Our truck is still pretty new, 4000 miles, but we've had no flex or noise problems at all. George Jeffers = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 97up-list ford-trucks.com Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo ford-trucks.com with "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 21:51:57 -0500 From: "Roy E. Springer" Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Recall I hope they found a different rust inhibitor. I guess the quick reaction is delete the inhibitor, while looking for a replacement that has all the qualities needed. I wonder if this is related to the switch from rear drums to disks on the Super Duty's. I've noticed poor parking hold on other 4 wheel disk vehicles, e.g. our 96 Ford Windstar with the tow pkg. Roy - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 17:31:38 -0500 From: "Union Auto" Subject: FTE 97up - Recall I got a message on a new recall for Super Duty F-series trucks. It only affects SRW 1999's built between 1/26/98 and 4/24/98. It is numbered 98S16. What it says (short version) is that the rust inhibitor used on the brakes can cause the the parking brake to not stop the vehicle on a 20% grade. Don't bother calling your dealer yet because Ford has not said how to fix it or what VIN's are affected (some in this time frame might not be). I'll post it when we hear something. Nathan Bernard Union Auto, Inc. Union, IA 50258 = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 97up-list ford-trucks.com Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo ford-trucks.com with "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 21:43:33 -0500 From: "Roy E. Springer" Subject: FTE 97up - delivery dates John, Nathan, Thanks for the perspectives on delivery on F250s, sounds like things are improving. Maybe Ford is catching up with the demand as they ramp up production and fill the pipeline. I have a request in to get the VIN, build date and est. arrival date. I believe they come by train to Houston, then by truck, so it is iffy until you hear it has made it to Houston. Roy - -snip- Good luck Roy on 8 weeks. It may happen but I personaly have never heard of that quick delivery. 12 weeks plus is more like it. John - -snip- Yes this is possible. The truck I got scheduled last week (F-250 4x4 XLT 5.4L) is schedule to arrive in 6 weeks. So it will probably take 8 due to shipping delays (some show up a week early some two weeks late) but I have all my sold orders scheduled so it would not take long to get one. You should know as soon as you get a VIN, and if your close enough to Kentucky that they'd direct truck ship (no trains) the date should be very close to accurate. Nathan Bernard Union Auto, Inc. = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 97up-list ford-trucks.com Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo ford-trucks.com with "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 22:08:16 -0500 From: "Roy E. Springer" Subject: FTE 97up - Re: delivery dates Congratulations, John! It won't be long now. I saw a 99 F350 with a nice one, my friend said it was a Ranch Hand brand. I don't have any personal experience with them, but they are very popular in this area. I'd be interested in hearing what people like or dislike about theirs. Also, I'm interested in a tonneau (probably hard) that quickly removes/converts for easy loading, and a bed liner (pros and cons of different setups). Roy - ---------- My F250 4x4 7.3L Lariet was ordered the last week in Feb and has a delivery date of the first week in June-AT LAST! Does anyone know if anybody is making brush guards yet for the 99. John = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 97up-list ford-trucks.com Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo ford-trucks.com with "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 23:42:34 EDT From: RAMWORKER Subject: Re: FTE 97up - delivery dates Hi List, I'm not certain which railroad Ford uses, But if it's Union Pacific (UGH!) and If you can get your railcar #, You can track it's progress by going to.... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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