97up-list-digest Wednesday, May 6 1998 Volume 01 : Number 074



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In this issue:

FTE 97up - aux idle control - limited vs. full function
Re: FTE 97up - Build dates
FTE 97up - F-150 Security Question
FTE 97up - Ford Enthusiasts Gathering?
FTE 97up - Year end balance out.
FTE 97up - We Won! #1 Auto Site!
Re: FTE 97up - aux idle control - limited vs. full function
Re: FTE 97up - aux idle control - limited vs. full function
Re: FTE 97up - aux idle control - limited vs. full function
[none]
FTE 97up - F150 3rd door

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Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 15:44:54 -0700
From: johny
Subject: FTE 97up - aux idle control - limited vs. full function

Nathan,

I haven't posted anything for awhile, but I have a 99 F350 XLT SC 4x4 SRW SB
on order. (Many thanks to those on this list that helped me get to this conclusion.)
I have also ordered the Aux Idle control w/PTO, but need a few questions
filled, before I pester the dealership.

I believe there is a hold until august for the full function Aux. Idle Control.

Question#1 - Do you know what are the differences between the Full function and the
limited function Aux Idle control?

Question#2- In the event the full function is really on hold, is there a limited function AIC
available now?


thanks,

-john


For those that want to know what the AIC is...
(from Jasons PS page http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.abol.com/users/jlester/)

The Aux Powertrain Control is actually a seperate
add-on unit that plugs into existing wiring harness (connector
is located at bottom center of dash between trailer brake control connector and PCM
diagnostic connector) that allows you to enter a pre-selected fast idle rpm and ramp
up rate. Once the engine is started, the speed will slowly (or fast depending on pre-set
value) ramp up to set rpm allowing for faster warm up or for use with PTO, charging of
external batteries such as on trailer, etc...Ford has an Aux Powertrain Control
module (fast idle control) for the Powerstroke as an LPO option (961)

I manily use it to help in warm up and keep the engine warm. This morning it was -19F and wind
chill of -60F, just a normal idle of 645rpm the engine was really cold. I set the aux idle
for1300rpm and it warmed up nicely and kept the truck warm.



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Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 16:29:47 -0700
From: jdb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Build dates

I ordered my F-350 Supercab 4X4 V-10 on March 5 and supposedly it was
built yesterday. I have my VIN. The rig is scheduled to show up in
California on May 18...









Chad Royse wrote:
>
> I just checked on mine earlier this morning too. I ordered it the first
> week of April and as of today it's still unscheduled. I ordered the F250
> V-10 SuperCab Longbed 4x4 LS-4.30's. My sales rep said they get their
> updates from Ford on Thursday and would give me an update this Friday.
>
> Anxiety s#cks!
> Chad
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Joe Zuk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 1998 1:21 PM
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 97up - Build dates
>
> Hi,
> Just got off the phone with my Ford dealer, I ordered a F250-SD 2 months ago
> and I
> still don't have a build date yet. The good thing he said was nothing on my
> order is on
> hold. But if you want to a SD with the 5.4l forget about it. He said that
> they are no
> longer taking orders for the 5.4l all of those engines are sold for the year
> and no
> more will be made. He also said that the factory rep was in town and they
> are having
> some kind of planing meeting now to try and work out how they are going to
> fill all of
> the orders that they currently have. I guess this truck is selling faster
> then they
> could image. For those with orders it may be a good idea to call and see
> what they tell
> you about your order.
>
> Joe
>
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Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 22:03:53 -0400
From: "Gerace CRC"
Subject: FTE 97up - F-150 Security Question

I just bought a 1998 F-150 Lariat with a security system and sliding rear
window. It occurs to me that anyone with a screwdriver could pop the latch
on the sliding rear window, reach in and press the unlock button and disable
the alarm. Am I right? What can be done to increase the security on this
truck?

Thanks!
Bob

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Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 07:51:50 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - Ford Enthusiasts Gathering?

Forwarded to all the lists for:
From: Gary Callahan

Please cc all replies to him! Thanks.

I live in southern California and have been a member of this list for
over six months now. I have enjoyed it very much. I have posted
questions and replied to other postings. I have an idea I'd like to put
forth for concideration. I think it would be great fun to get together
with other members of this list for a weekend outing. I think we could
pick one of the trips from Harry Lewellyn's "glovebox" book on backroad
trips in southern California or if anyone knows of another good day trip
in the area. I think it would be best to limit it to a one-day event
for now. We could all meet at a predetermined location, drive the
scenic backroads to a nice spot for a potluck lunch, then home a
different route. Let me know what you all think of this idea. After
all the Jeep owners have their Jeep Jamboree. Why can't we have a
gathering as well. Send (or post) your thoughts to me soon, the summer
will be over before you know it. For quickest response reply to my
e-mail at work.

Gary Callahan
'81 F-150 Custom 4x4 (400cid I-6 w/4-speed)

GCallahan prodigy.net (home)
callah hninc.com (work)


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Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 08:57:17 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: FTE 97up - Year end balance out.

I received a list of items balancing out (Kansas City region but others
should be similar). After the date listed they will not be orderable.
There are other items that are high risk due to the excessive number of
orders but the following will not be produced at the factory after this week
of scheduling.

Windstar 3.8L engine after 5/4/98.

Explorer FE Evergreen frost paint 5/7/98 also JC Dessert Violet

Ranger JK Boysenberry Blue 5/6/98

Other than this all items are still available (may run out shortly though.)

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

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Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 10:38:02 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - We Won! #1 Auto Site!

Ford Truck Enthusiasts has won the coveted Car Lounge #1
Automotive Site for the Summer of 98!

You can view the award (soon to be on our site) at:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://carlounge.com/popular.htm

Many sites were nominated and its really rewarding for
me to see that Ford Truck Enthusiasts is appreciated.

Thanks to everyone who nominated Ford Truck Enthusiasts.
The online community we have, with the atmosphere created
by our list members, is great and I want to thank all the
members.

Ken Payne (grinning from ear to ear),
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts


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Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 10:58:59 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - aux idle control - limited vs. full function

I saw a hold a few months ago on this feature with a use LTD function
control suggestion. I just put one in the computer and it says nothing
about a hold. What the latest ordering guide says is: Aux. idle control kit
(961)
APC Module functions:
Battery Charge Protection
High Idle control
LCD RPM/Voltage readout

Kit includes:
AIC module
Mouting bracket hardware
wiring harness
instruction booklet

Note 1: requires 7.3L Diesel and stationary use only
Note 2: Kit shipped in box to vehicle operations for "in cab" shipment.

I haven't had any 99's in with this so I don't know what to tell you the
differences are from 97.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

- -----Original Message-----
From: johny
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, May 05, 1998 5:57 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - aux idle control - limited vs. full function


>Nathan,
>
>I haven't posted anything for awhile, but I have a 99 F350 XLT SC 4x4 SRW
SB
>on order. (Many thanks to those on this list that helped me get to this
conclusion.)
>I have also ordered the Aux Idle control w/PTO, but need a few questions
>filled, before I pester the dealership.
>
>I believe there is a hold until august for the full function Aux. Idle
Control.
>
>Question#1 - Do you know what are the differences between the Full function
and the
>limited function Aux Idle control?
>
>Question#2- In the event the full function is really on hold, is there a
limited function AIC
>available now?
>
>
>thanks,
>
> -john
>
>
>For those that want to know what the AIC is...
>(from Jasons PS page http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.abol.com/users/jlester/)
>
>The Aux Powertrain Control is actually a seperate
>add-on unit that plugs into existing wiring harness (connector
>is located at bottom center of dash between trailer brake control connector
and PCM
>diagnostic connector) that allows you to enter a pre-selected fast idle rpm
and ramp
>up rate. Once the engine is started, the speed will slowly (or fast
depending on pre-set
>value) ramp up to set rpm allowing for faster warm up or for use with PTO,
charging of
>external batteries such as on trailer, etc...Ford has an Aux Powertrain
Control
> module (fast idle control) for the Powerstroke as an LPO option (961)
>
> I manily use it to help in warm up and keep the engine warm. This morning
it was -19F and wind
>chill of -60F, just a normal idle of 645rpm the engine was really cold. I
set the aux idle
>for1300rpm and it warmed up nicely and kept the truck warm.


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Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 12:17:03 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - aux idle control - limited vs. full function

OK, I did some more research and the 961 AIC is the limited function. They
do not even mention the full function in the ordering guides so I don't know
what the difference is. If anyone remembers the ordering code number for it
(I threw my old ordering guide away) I can see if they have an estimated
hold date. Also the 961 Ltd Idle control is not available on a Lariat, so I
would for see the full function available this summer.

Nathan

- -----Original Message-----
From: Union Auto
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, May 06, 1998 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - aux idle control - limited vs. full function


>I saw a hold a few months ago on this feature with a use LTD function
>control suggestion. I just put one in the computer and it says nothing
>about a hold. What the latest ordering guide says is: Aux. idle control
kit
>(961)
>APC Module functions:
> Battery Charge Protection
> High Idle control
> LCD RPM/Voltage readout
>
>Kit includes:
> AIC module
> Mouting bracket hardware
> wiring harness
> instruction booklet
>
>Note 1: requires 7.3L Diesel and stationary use only
>Note 2: Kit shipped in box to vehicle operations for "in cab" shipment.
>
>I haven't had any 99's in with this so I don't know what to tell you the
>differences are from 97.
>
>Nathan Bernard
>Union Auto, Inc.


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Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 10:40:48 -0700
From: johny
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - aux idle control - limited vs. full function

The order code I have for the '99 is 961. And it's an XLT w/ Powerstroke.:-).
I've just *heard* references to a "full function" AIC, but no
specifics.

Having never seen what an AIC looks like, this looks like it.

Check this out.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.meadowlandford.com/pdf/84.pdf
or
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.meadowlandford.com/ and look for the builders guide link.

Looks like everything you would want to see dimension-wise about the 99's.
Cool stuff.

- -john

Union Auto wrote:

> OK, I did some more research and the 961 AIC is the limited function. They
> do not even mention the full function in the ordering guides so I don't know
> what the difference is. If anyone remembers the ordering code number for it
> (I threw my old ordering guide away) I can see if they have an estimated
> hold date. Also the 961 Ltd Idle control is not available on a Lariat, so I
> would for see the full function available this summer.
>
> Nathan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Union Auto
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Date: Wednesday, May 06, 1998 11:15 AM
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - aux idle control - limited vs. full function
>
> >I saw a hold a few months ago on this feature with a use LTD function
> >control suggestion. I just put one in the computer and it says nothing
> >about a hold. What the latest ordering guide says is: Aux. idle control
> kit
> >(961)
> >APC Module functions:
> > Battery Charge Protection
> > High Idle control
> > LCD RPM/Voltage readout
> >
> >Kit includes:
> > AIC module
> > Mouting bracket hardware
> > wiring harness
> > instruction booklet
> >
> >Note 1: requires 7.3L Diesel and stationary use only
> >Note 2: Kit shipped in box to vehicle operations for "in cab" shipment.
> >
> >I haven't had any 99's in with this so I don't know what to tell you the
> >differences are from 97.
> >
> >Nathan Bernard
> >Union Auto, Inc.
>
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Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 15:01:21 -0500
From: jamann jjma.com
Subject: [none]

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Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 20:33:55 -0400
From: Phil Snider
Subject: FTE 97up - F150 3rd door

Anyone out there with an F150 extended cab with the 3rd door? Need some
pros and cons...thinking of buying a 4 door Ranger and would like some
input as to what I might expect from those suicide doors.....


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