97up-list-digest Tuesday, September 29 1998 Volume 01 : Number 228



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - V10 Gas Mileage???
RE: FTE 97up - power chips
Re: FTE 97up - Waste gate or Direct Injection?
FTE 97up - RE: V10 mileage
FTE 97up - Vortech Supercharger
Re: FTE 97up - V10 Gas Mileage???
Re: FTE 97up - Vortech Supercharger
Re[2]: FTE 97up - V10 Gas Mileage???
FTE 97up - RE: Customer access circuits
Re: FTE 97up - 1999 Navigator Engine - 300HP 32Valve 5.4L?
Re: FTE 97up - Towing with PSD and Auto
Re: FTE 97up - brake light problem
Re: FTE 97up - F150 Oil Leak
Re: FTE 97up - Towing with PSD and Auto
Re: FTE 97up - Waste gate or Direct Injection?
FTE 97up - Re: Customer Access Circuits??
FTE 97up - ADMIN: New advertiser on web site
FTE 97up - Customer access circuits
Re: FTE 97up - Customer Access Circuits??
Re: FTE 97up - Customer Access Circuits??
Re: FTE 97up - Customer access circuits

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:30:30 -0500
From: kauppij vfc.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - V10 Gas Mileage???

I returned last week from a 3,300 mile road trip and individual tanks
yielded from 12.8 to 15 mpg in mostly highway driving. I have the
F350 SRW Auto 4x4 V10 3.73ls. Around 14.2 to 14.5 mpg seems to be an
average highway figure for my truck.


______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: FTE 97up - V10 Gas Mileage???
Author: at Internet
Date: 9/25/98 11:26 AM


Sorry if this question has been asked numerous times, but I have to ask
anyway.
I am getting ready to order a new F250 Superduty. I have not decided
between the 5.4L
or the V10, yet. I am really leaning tward the V10 at this point.

A couple of questions:

1. Has anyone had any initial problems with this engine?
2. The dealer claims 13mpg to 16mpg for mileage with this engine. I
find that hard to believe.
Does anyone have any input on that?


Thanks,

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 07:18:32 -0700
From: "Johnson, John"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - power chips

I have a '79 460 (just couldn't part with it when I got the new Ford)
and I can't believe you need a chip. I have power and torque to spare,
no matter what I'm, hauling or pulling!

JJ

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> I have a 97 f-250 with a 460 in it. is there a performance chip made
> for it ?
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:48:25 -0400
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Waste gate or Direct Injection?

Union Auto wrote:

> Direct injection means the Fuel is sprayed directly into the combustion
> chamber, Indirect (like GM diesel, and older Fords) has a prechamber that
> gets the fuel and then it dribble into the combustion chamber. All Power
> Strokes are Direct Injected
>
> Wastegated means that the Turbo has a by pass to control the amount of boost
> that is being made. This helps get rid of some of the turbo Lag that
> happens when you add and intercooler.
>
> Nathan Bernard
>

Nathan,

I always thought that a waste gate was a device that let excess pressure
bypass the turbo. The max pressure was determined either by a preset spring,
the computer or manually. Once the max pressure was reached the waste gate
would open and the exhaust would be routed around the turbo. It was to avoid
blowing up your engine from too much pressure. I do not understand how this
decreases turbo lag? Turbo lag as I understand it is the time that it takes the
impellers to get up to boost speed when the motor goes from low RPM to a higher
RPM. Impeller design is what changes turbo lag. i.e.: impeller design, pitch
size etc...

Kindest regards

Jean Marc Chartier

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 08:20:15 -0700
From: "Harald"
Subject: FTE 97up - RE: V10 mileage

I tried a little experiment with my 99 F350 4x4 V10 SC 4.30 gears. I drive
mostly stop and go with many hills here in Washington state. On a recent
tank, I drove like my grandma to see what the best mileage is around town.
I got 10.1 mpg. On the next tank, I drove like normal which is to say
punching the gas often and accelerating briskly (which this engine/gear
setup does very well). I got 9.9 mpg on that tank. I just isn't worth it
for the extra 0.2 mpg to drive so agonizingly slow. I suspect that if you
had the 3.73 gears and drove carefully you could get better.

Harald


"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Ben Franklin

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:00:47 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Douglas R. Floyd"
Subject: FTE 97up - Vortech Supercharger

Regarding the Vortech supercharger:

I have been thinking of getting one of those for my 5.4L 98 F150. However,
I am wondering how a supercharger affects engine life, and I hear various
horror stories about how a misinstalled supercharger means a new engine in
less than 50 miles. I also wonder how loud and annoying the whine would
be from the thing -- if it would be too annoying for my usual daily commute.

OTOH, 300+HP sounds like a winner, though.
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:28:56 -0400
From: Chad Royse
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - V10 Gas Mileage???

You can get a 3.73 LS now?

kauppij vfc.com wrote:

> I returned last week from a 3,300 mile road trip and individual tanks
> yielded from 12.8 to 15 mpg in mostly highway driving. I have the
> F350 SRW Auto 4x4 V10 3.73ls. Around 14.2 to 14.5 mpg seems to be an
> average highway figure for my truck.

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:43:02 -0400
From: Mark Lee
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Vortech Supercharger

That would be a good question to pose the Mustang boys at the Corral
Tech Board or the Saleen Tech Board. These guys have lots of experience
with installing blowers...

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.corral.net/
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.saleen.com/techtalk.html
Douglas R. Floyd wrote:
>
> Regarding the Vortech supercharger:
>
> I have been thinking of getting one of those for my 5.4L 98 F150. However,
> I am wondering how a supercharger affects engine life, and I hear various
> horror stories about how a misinstalled supercharger means a new engine in
> less than 50 miles. I also wonder how loud and annoying the whine would
> be from the thing -- if it would be too annoying for my usual daily commute.
>
> OTOH, 300+HP sounds like a winner, though.
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:51:54 -0500
From: kauppij vfc.com
Subject: Re[2]: FTE 97up - V10 Gas Mileage???

As far as I know there was never a problem getting a 3.73 ls in an
F350.


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Subject: Re: FTE 97up - V10 Gas Mileage???
Author: at Internet
Date: 9/28/98 4:28 PM


You can get a 3.73 LS now?

kauppij vfc.com wrote:

> I returned last week from a 3,300 mile road trip and individual tanks
> yielded from 12.8 to 15 mpg in mostly highway driving. I have the
> F350 SRW Auto 4x4 V10 3.73ls. Around 14.2 to 14.5 mpg seems to be an
> average highway figure for my truck.

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 15:04:13 -0700
From: "Harald"
Subject: FTE 97up - RE: Customer access circuits

I just used those wires on my 99 F350. The red, white, and black are plain
wires that go from inside near the steering column to the rear right engine
compartment area (I didn't ring out the blue one, but I assume it runs the
same). There's also a wire with a colored stripe on it near the steering
column in the cab and it's 12 volts DC, ignition switched. I don't remember
the exact colors on the striped wire. This switched wire it the only other
capped wire next to the 4 solid colored wires. I used those spare wires to
hook up my air horns and air compressor.

Harald

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 17:30:15 -0500
From: "Sven Setterdahl"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 1999 Navigator Engine - 300HP 32Valve 5.4L?

>chris coleman wrote:
>>
>> I was curious if it will be possible to take the 4V heads(when
>> available) and add them to the older 5.4L. I have a 97 Expy and am
>> looking to get some more power from the motor. I have played with the
>> idea of boring the valves .030" over to gain some more power that way.
>> I know adding headers and the power chips will get me up near 280hp,
>> but, I figure, if I'm going that far, might as well do the job right.
>> I figure the heads will end up costing about $1500 for the pair.
>> Thanks Thermo.

I think $1500 for each head probably wouldn't cover their price, considering
the SVO SOHC heads go for about $1100 each (I think that's right.) I don't
know if they would bolt-on either. The DOHC heads may require more head
bolts, different oil and water passages, etc. You would be better off going
the supercharger route plus a better flowing intake and exhaust system.

>> 97 Expy, Nerf bars, Pioneer FH-M95 Double DIN Radio.
>> P.S. I'm working on making some sub enclosures, one for the passenger
>> side, one for the drivers side. Let me know if you are interested.
>>
Does the double DIN radio fit right into the opening? I have wondered if
any of the oversized radios would fit in the new Ford openings.

Sven

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:31:22 PDT
From: "Dave Burdick"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Towing with PSD and Auto

ROBERT,
MY NAME IS FRED LOVELL AND I WORK AT BURDICK FORD IN CENTRAL SQUARE
NY. AS FAR AS I CAN TELL IT IS NOT A GOOD IDEA TO TOW IN OVERDRIVE. IF
I CAN BE OF ANY MORE HELP PLEASE LET ME KNOW.

FRED LOVELL

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>Just bought a new, brought down from Canada, 97 F250HD 4X4 extra cab,
>long bed with the auto and the Power stroke.
>
>The manual says to tow in overdrive, the wife argues to not use
>overdrive, I say it depends on the load and the situation. If the
>transmission is hunting I take it out of overdrive so it will not shift
>up.
>
>Who is correct?
>
>I just gave our kids our 175,000 mile 350 Chevy truck that has had the
>trans rebuilt 3 times. I want the Ford to last.
>
>Any thoughts or actual experience out there?
>
>Thanks, Robert
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:35:25 PDT
From: "Dave Burdick"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - brake light problem

THE LIGHT IS MOST LIKLY ON BECAUSE OF LOW BRAKE FLUID IN THE RESERVOIR
IN THE ENGINE COMPARTMENT.

FRED LOVELL

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>I was driving along today, and I went to the car wash, applied my
brake, and
>the light, didn't come on... weird I thought, but I just passed it
off...
>then I released the brake after cleaning my truck, and then the light
came
>on! Ever since the light has been on... I have plenty of brake fluid,
and
>the ABS connector to the rear differential is fully plugged in. I have
no
>loss of braking power, it stops the exact same way it always did
>(excellently) :), the parking brake works great as always, and releases
just
>fine when released. Any ideas? I am probably gonna have the dealer
look at
>it when I go to take it in for the lug-nuts and rear leaf springs.
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:38:27 PDT
From: "Dave Burdick"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - F150 Oil Leak

MY NAME IS FRED LOVELL AND I HAVE A 1978 FORD F-150 WITH 382,000 MILES
AND I HAVE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM.

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>
>>Brought my truck to the dealer yesterday. After having it for a day,
>>they found 3 leaks
>
>I had a 92 Explorer, which I loved after the warranty expired (never
thought
>I'd say that). Under warranty, the vehicle had the front (where your
pulley
>is) and rear main crank seals replaced and the valve cover
gaskets(twice)
>for leaks. Even after that there was a drop of oil per week coming out
of
>the rear seal for the life of the vehicle. It is now owned by a friend
of
>mine and it has 90K miles on it. I also had new ball joints installed
>because at 20K miles they found the greased for life ball joints had no
>grease in them at all. The dealership claimed they must have come from
the
>factory that way. Made steering a little difficult. Even so, it was a
>great ride.
>
>I like my 98 SC F150 4x4 a lot. It is 6 months old and has 10K miles
on it.
>So far the only problems have been a new serpentine belt (the original
>started to chirp badly at morning startup), new throttle linkage (they
never
>told me why, they just replaced it), and a new rear seat latch. Good
luck
>with the oil leaks. You never know, they get it right the second time.
>
>Steve
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:56:17 -0700
From: "Alan Wilson"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Towing with PSD and Auto

At 04:31 PM 9/28/98 PDT, you wrote:
>ROBERT,
> MY NAME IS FRED LOVELL AND I WORK AT BURDICK FORD IN CENTRAL SQUARE
>NY. AS FAR AS I CAN TELL IT IS NOT A GOOD IDEA TO TOW IN OVERDRIVE. IF
>I CAN BE OF ANY MORE HELP PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
>
>FRED LOVELL
>

Please don't yell Fred.
Alan Wilson


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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 98 17:54:54 PDT
From: "Jeff"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Waste gate or Direct Injection?

You are correct. Too much incest going on here (i.e. bad info).

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 20:05:05 -0400
From: Lee Haefele
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Customer Access Circuits??

There is a set of wires that go from under dash through the firewall to
the engine compartment for your use. That is as much as the body
builders book describes them except it gives colors. Look above gas
pedal. They are not connected on either end, there doesn't seem to be
customer connect Hot & Ign spots. I tucked under a fuse of correct
switch for Ign & went to large underhood fusebox for Batt.
Lee Haefele
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:10:36 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: New advertiser on web site

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:37:57 -0400
From: Bill Yarnell
Subject: FTE 97up - Customer access circuits

try this one
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.meadowlandford.com/bodybild.htm

And the Pig tail your looking at is designed to work with
an electronic brake controller for a trailer.
the blue wire goes all the way back to the rear bumper
and activates your trailer brakes.

Bill Yarnell
99 SD CC PSD 6SP DUALLY ... GOTTA LOVE IT


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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:59:08 -0400
From: Bill Yarnell
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Customer Access Circuits??

Bob
try this address
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.meadowlandford.com/bodybild.htm
they have the body upfitters manual online has all
the customer access wiring diagrams etc.


Bob Wickline wrote:

> I have a '99 F350 that I would like to install a hands-free kit for my cell phone. I need access to a (+)battery supply and an (+)ignition-switched supply. I was inspecting the vehicle for access to these and I noticed four wires (red, black, blue & white) labeled "Customer Access Circuits (see Body Builder book for installation instructions)".
>
> Does anybody know what these are? I don't have a problem getting access to (+)battery supply but the (+)ignition-switched supply is not so easy. If there is an easier way to access (+)ignition-switched I'm open for suggestions.
>
> __ _____ ___ _ __
> Bob "Wick" Wickline \ \ / /_ _/ __| |/ /
> \ \/\/ / | | (__| '
> wick f350.com \_/\_/ |___\___|_|\_\
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:19:36 -0400
From: Bill Yarnell
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Customer Access Circuits??

The circuit you found is for hooking up an electronic brake controller
I think red is 12+ volt battery
black is ground
white is connected to the brake light switch
blue goes to the back to the bumper to supply voltage from the brake
controller to the trailer brakes.
I imagine your truck has the towing package option and this ties in
to that 7 wire harness.

if this is about as clear as mud, mail me back and I'll try to do a better job

Bill Yarnell
99 SD CC DUALLY PSD 6SP


Bob Wickline wrote:

> I have a '99 F350 that I would like to install a hands-free kit for my cell phone. I need access to a (+)battery supply and an (+)ignition-switched supply. I was inspecting the vehicle for access to these and I noticed four wires (red, black, blue & white) labeled "Customer Access Circuits (see Body Builder book for installation instructions)".
>
> Does anybody know what these are? I don't have a problem getting access to (+)battery supply but the (+)ignition-switched supply is not so easy. If there is an easier way to access (+)ignition-switched I'm open for suggestions.
>
> __ _____ ___ _ __
> Bob "Wick" Wickline \ \ / /_ _/ __| |/ /
> \ \/\/ / | | (__| '
> wick f350.com \_/\_/ |___\___|_|\_\
>
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