97up-list-digest Wednesday, September 16 1998 Volume 01 : Number 214



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - Oil Change Diesel
Re: FTE 97up - Oil Change Diesel
Re: FTE 97up - Oil Change Diesel
FTE 97up - Finalizing '99 Expedtion Order
Re: FTE 97up - Finalizing '99 Expedtion Order
Re: FTE 97up - Finalizing '99 Expedtion Order
Re: FTE 97up - Super Duty 6 speed
Re: FTE 97up - Super Duty Graphite leather
FTE 97up - new to list
Re: FTE 97up - Ramp!!
Re: FTE 97up - Oil Change Diesel
Re: FTE 97up - new to list
Re: FTE 97up - Oil Change Diesel
RE: FTE 97up - new to list
Re: FTE 97up - Oil Change Diesel
Re: FTE 97up - Oil Change Diesel
FTE 97up - RE: Battery saver

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 06:19:55 EDT
From: John941 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Oil Change Diesel

If it time for an oil change then it is also time for tire rotation. That
will be difficult to do yourself. Don't change sides with the tires or you
will be having them go in oposite directins-bad for this tyoe of tire.
John
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 06:23:49 EDT
From: John941 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Oil Change Diesel

GR
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 06:24:22 EDT
From: John941 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Oil Change Diesel

Great opinion-my feeling exactly!
John
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 98 7:39:20 -0400
From: "Pierre Smith"
Subject: FTE 97up - Finalizing '99 Expedtion Order

Well, I finally got a brochure for the '99 Expeditions. I did like the old
grill. I don't know why Ford felt obligated to change it. I'm going to
order one anyway. My plans are to get the Eddie Bauer which appears to
include almost everything...very few options. I do, however, have some
questions on these few options:

I want to get a towing package with a transmission cooler. Does the
standard Class II Trailer Towing package have a trans cooler? If not and I
have to get the Class III package: What gear ratio does the Class III
have? Knowing this, what about the 3.73 limited slip rear? Can this be
ordered and therefore substitute the rear end on the Class III package? I
like the idea of a limited slip for regular 2 wheel operation and I don't
particularly want a gas guzzling gear ratio greater than 3.73.

What is a "Skid Plate Package"?

Are the luggage racks removeable? I'm very concerned about the height of
the Expy (my garage at work is 6'8") and removing the racks would give me
some breathing room.

Does anybody have any feedback on the Warranty Gold extended warranty
package that Ford-Trucks is advertising? It sounds like a good deal. I've
always been a believer in extended warranties for cars/trucks and I'm
expecially interested in a plan that would allow me to have service done
outside of the dealers.

Sorry for the long message. My dealer since my first visit in June (when I
was flirting with ordering a '98) has changed truck managers, general sales
managers and my salesman now sells used cars. Whew!! I have found this
forum much more efficient at getting accurate answers concerning equipment.

Thanks in advance.

Pierre

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 08:11:50 -0500
From: "Mike Fairleigh"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Finalizing '99 Expedtion Order

- -----Original Message-----
From: Pierre Smith
To: 97up-list-digest ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 7:03 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Finalizing '99 Expedtion Order



>
>Does anybody have any feedback on the Warranty Gold extended warranty
>package that Ford-Trucks is advertising? It sounds like a good deal. I've
>always been a believer in extended warranties for cars/trucks and I'm
>expecially interested in a plan that would allow me to have service done
>outside of the dealers.
>


I bought the WarrantyGold "Diamond" coverage for my '98 F-150. Of course,
until I have a claim I can only guess at how good it is, but I liked
everything I saw and heard. It's important to note that the "Gold" level
coverage doesn't cover stereos and some other electronics. The Diamond
coverage for 7 years/100,000 miles was just under $1,000 (Expedition would
no doubt be a little higher).

Mike Fairleigh
mikef sky.net
...Always remembering their sacrifices.


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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 08:31:26 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Finalizing '99 Expedtion Order

The skid plates are metal protectors for the Fuel tank, Transfer case and
front differential. If you are going off roading or where grass and debris
can get underneath they are a nice feature. If your not they just make it
harder to work on the truck.

The Class III trailer towing group includes: Hitch (class III), 7 pin wring
harness, Super engine cooling, Auxiliary auto transmission cooler, and rear
load leveling suspension (4x2 only). Last year with the 5.4L it also
included a engine oil cooler. I believe it still does but isn't listed (I
think it falls under super engine cooling) With a 4.6L Trailer towing also
includes 3.55 (standard anyway) but with the 5.4L it comes with 3.73 Limited
Slip.

The 3.73 Limited slip is also a free standing option if you don't want
Trailer tow, (3.55 Limited slip with 4.6L)

The luggage racks should be removable (they always have been, but I haven't
received my first '99 yet). You may not have to remove them as the '99s are
supposed to have a lower profile luggage rack.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.
Union, IA 50258


- -----Original Message-----
From: Pierre Smith
To: 97up-list-digest ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 7:11 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Finalizing '99 Expedtion Order


>Well, I finally got a brochure for the '99 Expeditions. I did like the old
>grill. I don't know why Ford felt obligated to change it. I'm going to
>order one anyway. My plans are to get the Eddie Bauer which appears to
>include almost everything...very few options. I do, however, have some
>questions on these few options:
>
>I want to get a towing package with a transmission cooler. Does the
>standard Class II Trailer Towing package have a trans cooler? If not and I
>have to get the Class III package: What gear ratio does the Class III
>have? Knowing this, what about the 3.73 limited slip rear? Can this be
>ordered and therefore substitute the rear end on the Class III package? I
>like the idea of a limited slip for regular 2 wheel operation and I don't
>particularly want a gas guzzling gear ratio greater than 3.73.
>
>What is a "Skid Plate Package"?
>
>Are the luggage racks removeable? I'm very concerned about the height of
>the Expy (my garage at work is 6'8") and removing the racks would give me
>some breathing room.
>
>Does anybody have any feedback on the Warranty Gold extended warranty
>package that Ford-Trucks is advertising? It sounds like a good deal. I've
>always been a believer in extended warranties for cars/trucks and I'm
>expecially interested in a plan that would allow me to have service done
>outside of the dealers.
>
>Sorry for the long message. My dealer since my first visit in June (when I
>was flirting with ordering a '98) has changed truck managers, general sales
>managers and my salesman now sells used cars. Whew!! I have found this
>forum much more efficient at getting accurate answers concerning equipment.
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Pierre


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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 08:18:41 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Super Duty 6 speed

The choice of transmissions is kind of strange right now. If your looking
at the Gas engines and are choosing between the 5 speed and the Automatic, I
would recommend the auto. We haven't had many problems with either, but the
5 speed seems to have a few more than the auto. The 6 speed in the diesel
should solve the problems we have.

The ZF 6 speed uses an oil pump instead of a splasher like most other manual
transmissions. This should cut down on bearing failures and just make the
transmission last longer. With the 6 speed you also get an external
transmission oil cooler (and automatics, but not 5 speeds.) mounted in the
grille.

Mileage doesn't vary much between auto and manual anymore. Due to the
lock-up torque converters in automatics. Expect maybe 1 MPG better with
the manual.

The shifting is a love it or hate it thing. The pattern is very tight and
people used to 5 speed light truck transmissions (me included) have a hard
time finding the right gear until they get used to the transmission. If you
drive larger trucks the 6 speed pattern is virtually the same as these.
Once you get used to it I think you'd like it, but the first time you drive
one you'll try to take off in 3rd.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.
Union, IA 50258


- -----Original Message-----
From: LanceLana aol.com
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, September 14, 1998 5:02 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Super Duty 6 speed


>What kind of performance, ie, ease of shifting, fuel mileage and overall
>satisfaction are individuals getting with their 6 speed PSDs? Am still
>uncertain about ordering the auto or 6 speed.
>
>Lance S.


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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 08:53:05 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Super Duty Graphite leather

I wouldn't look for it until at least the 2000 model year (and still
doubtful then). They are running out of Lariats before every thing else so
they don't need to improve it. If Chevy and Dodge make some improvements,
Ford will make changes to stay ahead, but right now with the supremacy they
have Ford can sell every truck it can build (and many many more) so they
will try to maximize production rather than give more options. As a side
note I think the reason for the tan leather in the first place is to
minimize the showing of wear.

Nathan Bernard

- -----Original Message-----
From: LanceLana aol.com
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, September 14, 1998 4:57 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Super Duty Graphite leather


>I have been holding off on ordering the PSD 250 because the Lariat has not
>been available with Graphite colored leather. Is there any indication that
>Ford will offer this color in the near future?
>
>Lance S.
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 08:00:54 -0600
From: The Wrights
Subject: FTE 97up - new to list

Hi! I'm new to the list and sorry if I'm repeating a question. I am a
single farmer and want to buy a vehicle for transporting people. I do a
lot with my youth group and wonder if I should buy a minivan or a Crew
Cab that would be more useful on the farm. I am concerned about the
Super Duties fuel economy. If I ordered one with high gears what would
be best considering it would be mostly highway miles with little load?
Would V10 be close if not working it? I have only had a Ranger up to
now so don't know much about milage on other vehicles. If you would
rather e-mail me that would be fine to save the posts on here.
Ron Wright. Saskatchewan,Canada. kittyhawk sk.sympatico.ca

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:07:32 -0500
From: "Jack B"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Ramp!!

Ask your dealer for the railcar number when it is updated on his order list
under the status column. Then go to www.uprr.com or www.railnetredi.com
(you might need a password so fill out the form as 3rd party) and use the
railcar number to track. Remember though, that not all vehicles are sent
via railcar. Some skip the railcar and are sent directly by convoy.
Furthermore, my railcar number changed at least 3 times that I know of.

Some may look at this as being impatient. I look at it as: Why not use the
information if it is given to you, afterall this is the 90's.

Good Luck!
Jack

PS I'm still waiting (patiently!).
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From: dwhipkey gte.net
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 01:16
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Ramp!!


>Jack,
>
> how did you track your truck? Did the dealer have to do it or is
>there a web tracking system?
>
>Thanks,
>Dave
>
>
>Jack B wrote:
>>
>> Just found out that my truck is finally off the railcar and at the
"ramp"!
>> Finally.
>>
>> So maybe we are days away from delivery.
>>
>> Yea
>>
>> Jack
>>
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 16:41:55 -0500
From: daryl.rue juno.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Oil Change Diesel

Jeff,

Major problems.... Burning oil. 6 quarts per 300 miles. Bad fuel
injectors. Got down 8 quarts low at 600 miles, truck halted, did not
know about it. Am told enough oil in reserve kept engine from being
damaged but I do not know for sure.

Daryl

How frequent do you change the oil. I thought I would do it every 5k to
make it easy. I do not work my truck hard at all.


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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:41:02 -0400
From: Dorn Hetzel
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - new to list

Ron,

I have a 99 F-350 Super Duty, Crew Cab, PowerStroke Diesel, Single Rear
Wheel, 4x4, Automatic. I get between 14 and 15 mpg very consistently.

-Dorn

On Tue, Sep 15, 1998 at 08:00:54AM -0600, The Wrights wrote:
> Hi! I'm new to the list and sorry if I'm repeating a question. I am a
> single farmer and want to buy a vehicle for transporting people. I do a
> lot with my youth group and wonder if I should buy a minivan or a Crew
> Cab that would be more useful on the farm. I am concerned about the
> Super Duties fuel economy. If I ordered one with high gears what would
> be best considering it would be mostly highway miles with little load?
> Would V10 be close if not working it? I have only had a Ranger up to
> now so don't know much about milage on other vehicles. If you would
> rather e-mail me that would be fine to save the posts on here.
> Ron Wright. Saskatchewan,Canada. kittyhawk sk.sympatico.ca
>
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 08:33:24 -0700
From: alanh galaxy.nsc.com (The Hepburn)
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Oil Change Diesel

> If it time for an oil change then it is also time for tire rotation.
> That will be difficult to do yourself. Don't change sides with the
> tires or you will be having them go in oposite directins-bad for this
> tyoe of tire.

A tire rotation with every oil change? Either you have a long oil
change schedule, or a short tire rotation schedule. But tire rotation
is not that difficult ... if you have a jack and some jackstands. It
takes me about 20 minutes to do a 5-tire rotation on my Jeep Wrangler.
My F350 only gets the front tires rotated because the duals on the
rear don't wear fast enough to make rotation necessary. And how do you
know that cross-rotating is bad for his tires, unless you know what
tires he's running? Currently the only tires that cannot be crossed
are the various uni-directional tires, and I don't think anybody
makes them in a truck tire. Just about all other tires can be safely
crossed today. If in doubt check with the tire manufacturer.

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:02:15 -0500
From: "Jeff Schapker"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - new to list

Ron,
I have a 1999 F350 PSD, CC, DRW, 4.10 LS, 4x4 and I get 14.9 mpg average
mostly city driving. I only have 2,200 miles on the truck so this mileage
should improve.
Jeff

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:09:47 EDT
From: John941 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Oil Change Diesel

The Ford truck dealer(Sam Galloway) in Fort Myers told me that last week
during my oil change for the tires that came with the truck. Maybe they don't
know what they are talking about but they are one of the one or two largest
and definitely the most up to date dealers in Florida. If he is changing oil
at 5,000 miles it is time for a rotation and I am sure it takes more then 20
minutes to rotate all four tires on the SD without a lift unless you are
superman.
John
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:10:43 EDT
From: John941 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Oil Change Diesel

PS
I didn't say rotate with every oil change-
John
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 22:04:30 -0500
From: "Ronald R. Palmer"
Subject: FTE 97up - RE: Battery saver

It is my understanding that all F150's come with this option..........but........I could be wrong.....


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