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In this issue:

FTE 97up - Camper certification
FTE 97up - Re: engine preference & V-10 questions
Re: FTE 97up - F150 engine question
Re: FTE 97up - Camper certification
Re: FTE 97up - Re: engine preference & V-10 questions
Re: FTE 97up - F150 engine question
Re: FTE 97up - Fw: Fwd: MT ONLINE - LETTER TO THE EDITOR
Re: FTE 97up - Camper certification
Re: FTE 97up - Side Mirrors
Re: FTE 97up - F150 engine question
FTE 97up - 99 F250 SD Delivery Time
Re: FTE 97up - Fw: Fwd: MT ONLINE - LETTER TO THE EDITOR
Re: FTE 97up - 99 F250 SD Delivery Time
Re: FTE 97up - Mazda Transmissions, was F150 engine question
Re: FTE 97up - Invoice buying
Re: FTE 97up - Camper certification
FTE 97up - Shift command
FTE 97up - FTE t-shirt
Re: FTE 97up - Side Mirrors
FTE 97up - Springfield Get-Together
FTE 97up - side mirrors
Re: FTE 97up - Invoice buying

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 06:12:04 -0400
From: Lou Mallia
Subject: FTE 97up - Camper certification

I'm buying an F-250 Super duty 4x4 Super Cab short bed. I may want to
put a camper in it at some point, but I'm hesitant to buy the camper
package, since it states that it adds a heavier spring in the rear. I
will be buying a short-bed truck, and will likely be putting a soft-side
camper in, with a total weight around 1500lbs. I don't believe I need
the camper package to haul around this weight in this heavy-duty truck,
and don't want to stiffen the unloaded ride any more than the stock 4x4
suspension. (I won't be keeping the camper in at all times).

Is "camper certification" some sort of vehicle requirement from a legal
standpoint for proper vehicle registration, or is it Ford's way of
protecting themselves from a safety and warranty standpoint?

Thanks,
Lou

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 07:05:59 -0400
From: Lee Haefele
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: engine preference & V-10 questions

> Those of you who have the new Super Duty F250 or F350 std cab 4x4.... What engine do you have and what do you think?
> Is the 5.4L enough power? How many have the V-10?

I have a 10,500 lb permanently loaded F-350 with V-10 & 4.30 gears, it
replaced an 89 W/460, 4.10 gears. It is still breaking in (2000 miles),
but still has less power than the old 460. It is quite obvious that the
torque is at a higher RPM. So if you expect the V-10 to pull like a
460, order a lower axel ratio. Economy is slightly better 9mpg vs
8.5mpg. The vacuum boost brakes shipped on the truck won't do a panic
stop unless you wear work boots, I consider it unsafe. Diesels come
W/Hydro-boost brakes.
Lee Haefele
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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 07:53:53 -0500
From: "David M. Burkhalter"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - F150 engine question

Sandman wrote:
>
> I am eventually planning to get an F-150 and had a question about
> engine/transmission combos. Why is the 5.4L engine offered with an auto
> only? It will probally be a couple of years until I get a new truck, so I
> was hoping maybe it would be offered by then. I'm not really interested
> in a lightning, since I would like a supercab. I have always liked manual
> trannys, so if I have to, I'll go with the 4.6L engine.
>
> sandmanx ghg.net
>
> 1989 Ford Ranger 2.3L 5 speed
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ghg.net/sandmanx/ranger
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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 07:57:28 -0500
From: "David M. Burkhalter"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Camper certification

Lou Mallia wrote:
>
> I'm buying an F-250 Super duty 4x4 Super Cab short bed. I may want to
> put a camper in it at some point, but I'm hesitant to buy the camper
> package, since it states that it adds a heavier spring in the rear. I
> will be buying a short-bed truck, and will likely be putting a soft-side
> camper in, with a total weight around 1500lbs. I don't believe I need
> the camper package to haul around this weight in this heavy-duty truck,
> and don't want to stiffen the unloaded ride any more than the stock 4x4
> suspension. (I won't be keeping the camper in at all times).
>
> Is "camper certification" some sort of vehicle requirement from a legal
> standpoint for proper vehicle registration, or is it Ford's way of
> protecting themselves from a safety and warranty standpoint?
>
> Thanks,
> Lou
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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 07:58:19 -0500
From: "David M. Burkhalter"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: engine preference & V-10 questions

Lee Haefele wrote:
>
> > Those of you who have the new Super Duty F250 or F350 std cab 4x4.... What engine do you have and what do you think?
> > Is the 5.4L enough power? How many have the V-10?
>
> I have a 10,500 lb permanently loaded F-350 with V-10 & 4.30 gears, it
> replaced an 89 W/460, 4.10 gears. It is still breaking in (2000 miles),
> but still has less power than the old 460. It is quite obvious that the
> torque is at a higher RPM. So if you expect the V-10 to pull like a
> 460, order a lower axel ratio. Economy is slightly better 9mpg vs
> 8.5mpg. The vacuum boost brakes shipped on the truck won't do a panic
> stop unless you wear work boots, I consider it unsafe. Diesels come
> W/Hydro-boost brakes.
> Lee Haefele
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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 08:24:57 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - F150 engine question

The official answer I got for this is because the auto transmission is
better for pulling larger loads and has a higher trailer rating witch is why
you'd order the 5.4L anyway (according to Ford not me).

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Sandman
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, September 02, 1998 12:34 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - F150 engine question


>
>I am eventually planning to get an F-150 and had a question about
>engine/transmission combos. Why is the 5.4L engine offered with an auto
>only? It will probably be a couple of years until I get a new truck, so I
>was hoping maybe it would be offered by then. I'm not really interested
>in a lightning, since I would like a supercab. I have always liked manual
>trannys, so if I have to, I'll go with the 4.6L engine.
>
>
>sandmanx ghg.net



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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 08:57:08 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Fw: Fwd: MT ONLINE - LETTER TO THE EDITOR

The best part of this is that Motor Trend compared the Dodge and Ford V-10's
(I beleive in the current issue but cant remember exactly) and the Ford was
.1 seconds quicker accelarting empty and 2 seconds quicker with a load.

Nathan Bernard



>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John R. Mohme
>To: jes vol.com
>Date: Tuesday, September 01, 1998 11:40 AM
>Subject: Re: Fwd: MT ONLINE - LETTER TO THE EDITOR
>
>
>>Jim:
>>
>>I agree about the Dodge V-10, what I said was "available with more
>>horsepower, more torque,...". The Power Stroke still provides more torque
>>than the Dodge at much better efficiency. Ford seems to have taken a
>>different course with their V-10, giving them a mid range engine rather
>than
>>a "Big Block" gas guzzler. (Incidentally, my 250SD, 5.4L now Dyno's out
at
>>278 hp and 372 lb.'s after adding a K & N, a two-chamber Flowmaster with
>>duals and a Superchip. Still gets 18+ on the highway and 16+ in town
>>(unless I stomp it).)
>>
>>Thanks for your response, "see you" on the next show and keep up the
>>excellent coverage.
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Jim Scoutten
>>To: jrmohme gte.net
>>Date: Tuesday, September 01, 1998 1:14 PM
>>Subject: Re: Fwd: MT ONLINE - LETTER TO THE EDITOR
>>
>>
>>>John:
>>>
>>>Simple explanation: that was a re-run show that was produced before the
>>F-250 was
>>>introduced. Of course, you're also wrong about horsepower and torque.
>The
>>V-10
>>>Dodge is still the stongest.
>>>
>>>Jim Scoutten
>>>Motor Trend TV
>>>
>>>MTLetters aol.com wrote:
>>>


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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 08:59:10 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Camper certification

I don't know about the legal side, but the heavier rear suspension is just
overload springs so it shouldn't affect empty ride.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Lou Mallia
To: Ford Trucks
Date: Wednesday, September 02, 1998 5:23 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Camper certification


>I'm buying an F-250 Super duty 4x4 Super Cab short bed. I may want to
>put a camper in it at some point, but I'm hesitant to buy the camper
>package, since it states that it adds a heavier spring in the rear. I
>will be buying a short-bed truck, and will likely be putting a soft-side
>camper in, with a total weight around 1500lbs. I don't believe I need
>the camper package to haul around this weight in this heavy-duty truck,
>and don't want to stiffen the unloaded ride any more than the stock 4x4
>suspension. (I won't be keeping the camper in at all times).
>
>Is "camper certification" some sort of vehicle requirement from a legal
>standpoint for proper vehicle registration, or is it Ford's way of
>protecting themselves from a safety and warranty standpoint?
>
>Thanks,
>Lou


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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 08:59:03 -0500
From: daryl.rue juno.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Side Mirrors

can I add the electronic mirror option now. I hate having to have
someone in the truck with me to adjust them after every washing. f250
1999 trailer tow.
Thanks,

Daryl Rue

On Tue, 1 Sep 1998 19:07:00 -0500 "Jack" writes:
>Has anyone replaced their chrome side mirrors with color keyed mirrors
>to
>match their trucks color? This is an option with the special
>appearance
>package. If so, can you just replace the chrome or do you have to
>replace
>the entire mirror?
>
>Jack
>
>
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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 10:15:46 -0400
From: "jmc.chartier"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - F150 engine question

Union Auto wrote:

> The official answer I got for this is because the auto transmission is
> better for pulling larger loads and has a higher trailer rating witch is why
> you'd order the 5.4L anyway (according to Ford not me).
>
> Nathan Bernard
> Union Auto, Inc.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sandman
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Date: Wednesday, September 02, 1998 12:34 AM
> Subject: FTE 97up - F150 engine question
>
> >
> >I am eventually planning to get an F-150 and had a question about
> >engine/transmission combos. Why is the 5.4L engine offered with an auto
> >only? It will probably be a couple of years until I get a new truck, so I
> >was hoping maybe it would be offered by then. I'm not really interested
> >in a lightning, since I would like a supercab. I have always liked manual
> >trannys, so if I have to, I'll go with the 4.6L engine.
> >
> >
> >sandmanx ghg.net
>
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I have a 4.6 in my 97 XLT 4x4 5 spd. It is the same POS transmission found in
the Ranger and it is made by Mazda. It simply cannot handle the torque of the
5.4L. I am on my 2nd tranny. It shifted fine untill I mashed the go pedal and
ever since it shifts like it is grinding coffee. It is the first time that I
have had any such trouble with a manual transmission.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier

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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 10:39:31 EDT
From: MarkS79255 aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - 99 F250 SD Delivery Time

I ordered on 6/15/98 (according to the date on the Vehicle Order Confirmation
from from the dealer) the following. Has anyone ordered something similar and
what has been the time between order and delivery. Thanks. This is a great
forum.
F250 SD SuperCab 4x4 142" wheelbase, two tone paint
Lariat Trim Package
Premium Wheels - LT265 OWL A-T
7.3L Turbo Diesel
44E Electric 4-spd Auto Trans. - 3.73 LTD Slip
Trailer Tow Package
8800# GVWR Package
Electronic Shift on the fly
etc. plus all the other options
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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 09:34:35 -0700
From: johny
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Fw: Fwd: MT ONLINE - LETTER TO THE EDITOR

Story is online:
Check out:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.motortrend.com/sept98/v10/v_f.html

Union Auto wrote:

> The best part of this is that Motor Trend compared the Dodge and Ford V-10's
> (I beleive in the current issue but cant remember exactly) and the Ford was
> .1 seconds quicker accelarting empty and 2 seconds quicker with a load.
>
> Nathan Bernard
>
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: John R. Mohme
> >To: jes vol.com
> >Date: Tuesday, September 01, 1998 11:40 AM
> >Subject: Re: Fwd: MT ONLINE - LETTER TO THE EDITOR
> >
> >
> >>Jim:
> >>
> >>I agree about the Dodge V-10, what I said was "available with more
> >>horsepower, more torque,...". The Power Stroke still provides more torque
> >>than the Dodge at much better efficiency. Ford seems to have taken a
> >>different course with their V-10, giving them a mid range engine rather
> >than
> >>a "Big Block" gas guzzler. (Incidentally, my 250SD, 5.4L now Dyno's out
> at
> >>278 hp and 372 lb.'s after adding a K & N, a two-chamber Flowmaster with
> >>duals and a Superchip. Still gets 18+ on the highway and 16+ in town
> >>(unless I stomp it).)
> >>
> >>Thanks for your response, "see you" on the next show and keep up the
> >>excellent coverage.
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Jim Scoutten
> >>To: jrmohme gte.net
> >>Date: Tuesday, September 01, 1998 1:14 PM
> >>Subject: Re: Fwd: MT ONLINE - LETTER TO THE EDITOR
> >>
> >>
> >>>John:
> >>>
> >>>Simple explanation: that was a re-run show that was produced before the
> >>F-250 was
> >>>introduced. Of course, you're also wrong about horsepower and torque.
> >The
> >>V-10
> >>>Dodge is still the stongest.
> >>>
> >>>Jim Scoutten
> >>>Motor Trend TV
> >>>
> >>>MTLetters aol.com wrote:
> >>>
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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 12:57:01 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 F250 SD Delivery Time

Delivery time varies greatly. Some dealers would have a 3 month wait to get
a truck like this (possibly more), I had a Crew Cab Lariat a few months ago
that took 5 weeks to get in. Normally it takes 8-10 weeks for me to get a
truck (if its sold).

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

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From: MarkS79255 aol.com
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, September 02, 1998 9:52 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - 99 F250 SD Delivery Time


>I ordered on 6/15/98 (according to the date on the Vehicle Order
Confirmation
>from from the dealer) the following. Has anyone ordered something similar
and
>what has been the time between order and delivery. Thanks. This is a
great
>forum.
>F250 SD SuperCab 4x4 142" wheelbase, two tone paint
>Lariat Trim Package
>Premium Wheels - LT265 OWL A-T
>7.3L Turbo Diesel
>44E Electric 4-spd Auto Trans. - 3.73 LTD Slip
>Trailer Tow Package
>8800# GVWR Package
>Electronic Shift on the fly
>etc. plus all the other options


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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:05:58 EDT
From: RAMWORKER aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Mazda Transmissions, was F150 engine question

Hi List,

This transmission doesn't hold up in Explorers, either.
About a month ago, our maintenance superintendent brought me two strange
looking parts from a '91 V6 5 speed, it turned out to be the 5th and reverse
syncros, and told me that he had a price from Ford for about $850, and that it
was some kind of updated kit to replace these. You would have to shut the
engine off to shift into reverse. He had a printout from the Ford house and
wanted to know if I could get the old parts for cheaper. I went up the street
to my buddies at the transmission shop looking for a cheaper after-market part
or good used piece. The shop guy recognized the part immediately and just
laughed. He suggested that we go back together with it and pass the truck off
on some poor unsuspecting sucker. I told him that I wouldn't be a part of
that, and asked about the part, they said no dice, no after-market parts and
good luck finding a good used transmission, and, in fact the price from the
Ford house was excellent, and that we should go that way. Ouch!

Best Regards,
Robert

In a message dated 9/2/98 1:07:23 PM Central Daylight Time,
jmc.chartier sympatico.ca writes:

> I have a 4.6 in my 97 XLT 4x4 5 spd. It is the same POS transmission found
> in
> the Ranger and it is made by Mazda. It simply cannot handle the torque of
> the
> 5.4L. I am on my 2nd tranny.
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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:45:46 EDT
From: RAMWORKER aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Invoice buying

Hi List,

Mission accomplished! Truck bought!
First, here's what we got:
1998 F-150 4x2 Regular cab, XL 139" WB Styleside, 4.6 engine, 4 speed auto,
dark toreador red with medium graphite interior. Base price $16,165.00

preferred equipment package 502A $350.00
4.6 efi V8 engine
$635.00
4 speed auto trans
$995.00
3.55 ratio regular axle
$50.00
Texas/Oklahoma/Louisiana Pkg. -$805.00
Speed control/Tilt steering wheel
$385.00
Air Conditioning
$805.00
Total
$18,580.00
Destination and Delivery
$640.00
Total before discounts
$19,220.00
Option package savings
- -$350.00
Sticker Price
$18,870.00

Second, here's where we got it from:

We got it from Stowe Ford, in Gordon, Texas for $16,450 less a $300 Rebate and
about $1,500.00 in Ford Citibank credits. Stowe Ford is excellent, no haggle,
no hassle. We also got excellent results from Jay Stroud, at Nichols Ford in
Fort Worth, Texas. That was a private suggestion from a list member, thanks,
Jay was great, he just didn't meet this price. As near as I could make out
from Edmunds and Kelley, this is not much over invoice, so I couldn't get a
bed liner thrown in. But we're happy we made a good deal.

Third, here's what I tried:

Auto-by-tel I didn't like this deal, it's just another way to call a dealer
Jim Isbell Ford, an excellent suggestion, but I got just a little sucker
punched with this one, due to previous experience with two Dodge dealers in
Oklahoma that sell all their stock at invoice or close, I ASSUMED that Isbell
is the same, and they're not. They sell ordered vehicles under invoice, not
their entire stock.
But it really didn't matter, they didn't have a truck close to what we were
looking for. I should READ the web page a little closer, it says BUILD.
I didn't try invoiceorless.com, sorry
I also didn't try the out of State dealers

Fourth, What is a battery saver? I'm afraid it's that plastic cover on the
battery, You know the one, that thing everybody throws away when they get a
replacement battery because it won't fit anymore. It's similar to what
Chrysler used in the early to mid seventies. The Boss thinks it's a relay to
protect the battery from deep discharge, so that if you leave the lights on,
it will still start, I disagree.

Fifth, Thanks again to all who made suggestions! That's what makes this list
great!

Best Regards,
Robert
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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 20:32:35 -0400
From: Bill Yarnell
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Camper certification

Hello to all,
I just took delivery of a 99 F350 Lariate Crewcab PSD and love it. I had
a 93 supercab XLT (it's for sale) and kinda fell in "extreme like" with the
new
body style and MORE POWER!!!!!!!!

Anyway, the camper package also includes sway bars. If you've ever hauled
a truck camper without them you'll sure appreciate having them. Trailer tow
and
camper package together puts them front and rear. And they're cheaper from
the factory than aftermarket.

If I missed the boat here Nathan, please correct me.

Bill Yarnell


Union Auto wrote:

> I don't know about the legal side, but the heavier rear suspension is just
> overload springs so it shouldn't affect empty ride.
>
> Nathan Bernard
> Union Auto, Inc.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lou Mallia
> To: Ford Trucks
> Date: Wednesday, September 02, 1998 5:23 AM
> Subject: FTE 97up - Camper certification
>
> >I'm buying an F-250 Super duty 4x4 Super Cab short bed. I may want to
> >put a camper in it at some point, but I'm hesitant to buy the camper
> >package, since it states that it adds a heavier spring in the rear. I
> >will be buying a short-bed truck, and will likely be putting a soft-side
> >camper in, with a total weight around 1500lbs. I don't believe I need
> >the camper package to haul around this weight in this heavy-duty truck,
> >and don't want to stiffen the unloaded ride any more than the stock 4x4
> >suspension. (I won't be keeping the camper in at all times).



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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 21:58:17 EDT
From: Sen4546 aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Shift command

I was just wondering if any one has ever come across the Jet shift command or
the
B&M shift command that is suppose to directly plug into the computer if you
have the
E40DE auto. It is suppose to your change your shift firmness, you have up to 4
settings,
stock, stage 1, stage 2 , and race. If someone has came across them could you
please
let me know how you like it and what are the pros and cons.

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 22:19:41 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - FTE t-shirt

This past Spring I mentioned putting together a Ford Truck Enthusiasts
t-shirt. Several list members sent in pictures for the design. Thanks
for the time you took to do this. Unfortunately, due to time constraints
and a lack of artistic ability, I haven't been able to come up with a
design.

I'd like to ask list members to come up with a design. It should show
the spirit of what FTE is all about and no focus on one specific type
of truck. Perhaps 2-3 trucks on the design from different eras. Peggy
and I are going to put together a prize pack (to be announced in the
next few days) and the winner will get the prize pack, along with their
signature in the design.

All designs will be posted to the web site, along with an anonymous
voting center so everyone can vote on it. We'll keep the final price
of the t-shirt reasonable.

Send the designs to kpayne ford-trucks.com. Note in the email that
its for the t-shirt contest. We prefer JPEG (JPG) formated files but
most anything else will work.

On another note, several people emailed me concerning the spammer. I'm
a little behind in my email and will reply to your comments/questions
tomorrow.

Regards,
Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 22:37:42 EDT
From: F150DML aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Side Mirrors

Hey I tried to replace just the crome but it comes as a whole. Actually the
package includes the color grill opposed to crome and the matching mirrors.
The mirrors are power and some have the turn signal in them and are costly.
My advice is live with it unless you want to fork over some bucks. If so call
Perimeter Ford in Sandy Springs , Ga 1-800-852-5453
Regards,
David
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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 23:43:02 -0400
From: The Neighbors
Subject: FTE 97up - Springfield Get-Together

I have already posted this message on the other lists, but
apparently I had the address screwed up for the '97 up list, so it got
bounced. Here it is, and I hope I got it right this time!
Ken Payne's recent post concerning the Atlanta show got me to
thinking: I will be going to a show/swap meet called "Springfield in the

Fall" in Springfield, Ohio, the same weekend, September 11-13. While I
have not made it to the Fall meet before, if it is like the Spring meet,

it is a general show, with an accent on swap meet, rather than a
strictly truck show. It would be a great meeting place for some of us in

the northern reaches who can't make Atlanta this year.
If any of you are interested, let me know, and we'll get together
Saturday the 12th. If we can't all get together at the same time, look
for a "well fed" guy with light brown hair, a reddish beard and a
"Grover" t-shirt in the vicinity of a Tempo and a Kelty tent, or
somewhere in the swap area looking longingly at something he can't
afford!

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Don Neighbors
'54 F250 Named Grover

"Any dropped tool or part will automatically fall into the most
innaccesible part of the vehicle."

grover ford-trucks.com




- --
Don Neighbors
'54 F250 Named Grover

"Any dropped tool or part will automatically fall into the most
innaccesible part of the vehicle."

grover ford-trucks.com


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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 22:40:43 -0500
From: Manuel Ziegler
Subject: FTE 97up - side mirrors

I have replaced my chrome caps with colored keyed items. My dealer painted
them to match and I installed them myself. The new caps have fingers or
clips that help you find were the fingers on the old caps insert into the
mirror housing, just angle the mirror up or down and push the fingers with
the end of a coat hanger, they just pop off.


Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 19:07:00 -0500
From: "Jack"
Subject: FTE 97up - Side Mirrors

Has anyone replaced their chrome side mirrors with color keyed mirrors to
match their trucks color? This is an option with the special appearance
package. If so, can you just replace the chrome or do you have to replace....

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