97up-list-digest Tuesday, August 18 1998 Volume 01 : Number 186



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In this issue:

FTE 97up - Re: Body for towing
FTE 97up - RE: F350 Height
Re: FTE 97up - 2 questions, changes and fuel economy
FTE 97up - PSD Noise Levels
RE: FTE 97up - 99 F350 4WD PSD SC LWB LARIAT Question
RE: FTE 97up - '97 5.4 Newby Performance Questions
Re: FTE 97up - Fords Low interest Rates
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Spare tire
Re: FTE 97up - PSD Noise Levels
Re: FTE 97up - F250, V10, 3.73 limited slip
FTE 97up - factory exhaust brake rumors, et al
Re: FTE 97up - PSD Noise Levels
Re: FTE 97up - 450 spare?
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Nascar Edition
Re: FTE 97up - PSD Noise Levels
Re: FTE 97up - STD automatic vs HD automatic option
Re: FTE 97up - '97 5.4 Newby Performance Questions
Re: FTE 97up - RE: F350 Height
Re: FTE 97up - STD automatic vs HD automatic option
Re: FTE 97up - STD automatic vs HD automatic option
Re: FTE 97up - STD automatic vs HD automatic option
Re: FTE 97up - STD automatic vs HD automatic option
FTE 97up - ADMIN: Truck Driving Schools
Re: FTE 97up - STD automatic vs HD automatic option

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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 06:58:40 -0400
From: Lee Haefele
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Body for towing

The one thing you all need to look at...I have a 99 F-350 DRW
Chassis-cab, the straight frame rail chassis that comes with this is
much larger than the F-350 DRW pickup box model. It is larger than my
89 CC. The pickup model is smaller than either, and has little 5 leaf
springs. I don't understand how both have 11,200 GVW. So, if you will
have heavy use, I suggest you get a cab-chassis & put a body on it.
Next note...Mine is a v-10 4X4 SC DRW, dealer order book & window
sticker state I get "Htdro-Boost Brakes"...I got vacuum boost brakes,
THAT DON"T WORK! They just require too much pedal pressure to stop the
truck, which is loaded to 10,500 lbs. I called Ford twice, they
referred it back to dealer, who called Ford...answer, must be missprint,
gas engines come with vacuum boost.
Is there any Federal spec on brake pedal pressure? This one takes 50
lbs foot pressure to stop at end of driveway, 70 lbs for "normal" stop
from 35 mph. Right after I got my truck, they ran out of V-10s, so very
few have been made in this configuration.
Suggestions please!
Lee Haefele
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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 07:18:26 -0400
From: "Chuck Rippel"
Subject: FTE 97up - RE: F350 Height

The height is real issue. The cab lights of my '93 F-250 4WD cleared the
garage by only about 1" in our old house. I would drive one to your house
before buying it just to make sure. If they don't have one, I would be happy to
measure my F350 4X4 for you. However, don't dilly-dally if you want me to
measure it. I am giving serious thought to selling it and going back to the
Dodge/Cummns package. The truck is ok but I miss the power, driveability
and economy of the Cummins engine. Having driven both, the Power Stroke
simply comes up short.

We now live on a farm and I keep the truck in an equipment shed. It's 12' door
leaves plenty of room. Clearance is no longer an issue.

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Chuck Rippel
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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 07:16:36 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph L. Casey"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 2 questions, changes and fuel economy

I'm not sure what towing situations are being referred to but, when towing
14,500+ lbs of 5th wheel and with a gross weight for truck plus trailer of
21,500+ lbs, we get 10.5-10.8 mpg on the highway. Empty on the highway, 15
or more is very possible--perhaps nearly 17. We have done very little empty
driving so I can't give a good figure for that.

At 06:05 PM 8/15/98 EDT, you wrote:
>All I have heard is rave reviews by those who own and those who want to own a
>new Ford Super Duty truck. 8 mpg sounds way way way off, the Powerstroke
>Diesel in the new F-Super Duties gets around 15 and up depending on the load
>being towed. Ford's Power Stroke diesel is made by International, and
>International knows a thing or two about diesels. The new V-10 gets much
>better gas milage than the old 460 v-8 gas, you may want to look into getting
>a V-10.
>
>
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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:24:57 EDT
From: JDavis1277 aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - PSD Noise Levels

My neighbor just bought a new PSD. His truck is a supercab at the base trim
level. Has black bumpers and grill.

Is it my imagination or is the new PSD much quieter than previous years? He
had a 97 PSD and I could hear him coming for about 100 feet, but now he gets
to sneak up on me.

I would think a quieter diesel would be a selling point but haven't HEARD
anything about it ;=)

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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:48:58 -0400
From: Donald Denning
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - 99 F350 4WD PSD SC LWB LARIAT Question

It had nothing to do with the Plow itself.

The Prep package was not orderable on the Supercab
but it was on the Regular and Crew Cabs.



- -----Original Message-----
From: F150DML aol.com [SMTP:F150DML aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 15, 1998 6:01 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 F350 4WD PSD SC LWB LARIAT Question

Hello,
I work for Perimeter Ford in Atlanta, Georgia in the parts dept. The
reason you cannot order a snow plow direct from Ford is because Ford does
not
sell enough to put money into stocking and building snow plows for trucks.
Trust me your truck can definitly be equipped to have a snow plow. It is
possible to put a snow plow on almost any truck or SUV. The Ford F-Series
is
the best selling truck for 21 years running, people that produce snow plows
know this and thus it is not difficult to get one for your truck.

Very Truly Yours,
David
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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 07:30:02 -0700
From: "Johnson, John"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - '97 5.4 Newby Performance Questions

Glad to get some enhanced performance related information! I have a '98
F150 with the 281 c.i. (4.6L) and 3.55 that came with the towing
package. I like the mileage but could use a little more power pulling a
two horse trailer in the mountains. It weighs about 5500 with horses,
feed and tack. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

John

> ----------
> From: chris coleman[SMTP:thermomonkey yahoo.com]
> Reply To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 16, 1998 9:47 AM
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 97up - '97 5.4 Newby Performance Questions
>
> Tony, from the Dynomometer tests that have been performed by the other
> members, the borla exhaust added 15 hp as I recall keeping with the
> same gas mileage. This resulted in a nice low rumble at idle and nice
> deep sound at full throttle.
>
> As for the rims, watch what you buy. Ford went to a new hub design on
> the '97s. Just make sure that it will fit. Other than that, I don't
> recall what those rims look like.
>
> Finally, the performance chip, doesn't change overall
> horsepower/torque, mearly ships the high point down about 500 RPM. K&N
> air filter: no effect. Pulleys, I haven't heard anything here about
> changes like that, so, try it and let us know.
>
> Have fun playing Tony, Chris Coleman, '97 Expy XLT, Smittybilt nerf
> bars, K&N air filter, Pioneer FHM-75 double din radio.
>
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________
> DO YOU YAHOO!?
> >
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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:11:00 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Fords Low interest Rates

No the Super Duty does not get the low interest. I don't expect the 2000
for about a year.

Nathan

- -----Original Message-----
From: Alan Wilson
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, August 17, 1998 2:48 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Fords Low interest Rates


>At 03:08 AM 8/17/98 EDT, you wrote:
>>Do the low interest rates Ford advertises apply to 1999 F250 and F350
super
>>duty trucks ? someone told me the year 2000 trucks will be out in March is
>>this correct?
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>
>Rates apply to all trucks...now get some sleep, dude. "03:08 AM"??
Geeze...
>Alan Wilson
>
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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:39:56 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Spare tire

The Spare tire is optional on all SD trucks (standard on F-150/250 LD). The
price varies by what tires you have. The reason it isn't standard is that
50% of the trucks I sell the Farmers don't want the spare (won't fit
underneath with a DMI hitch).

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.


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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:55:42 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - PSD Noise Levels

The 1999 SD Power Stroke is Intercooled (reduces air temperatures for more
power and as a side effect slightly quieter). It also uses split shot
injectors which inject a small amount of fuel that detonates (causing the
rattle sound in a Diesel) and then injects the amount of fuel needed to
produce power after the fuel is already combusting. This softens the
knocking sound greatly. The 99's are much quitter than any other Direct
injected Light truck Diesel (though still loud).

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

- -----Original Message-----
From: JDavis1277 aol.com
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, August 17, 1998 8:41 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - PSD Noise Levels


>My neighbor just bought a new PSD. His truck is a supercab at the base
trim
>level. Has black bumpers and grill.
>
>Is it my imagination or is the new PSD much quieter than previous years?
He
>had a 97 PSD and I could hear him coming for about 100 feet, but now he
gets
>to sneak up on me.
>
>I would think a quieter diesel would be a selling point but haven't HEARD
>anything about it ;=)
>
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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:17:33 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - F250, V10, 3.73 limited slip

The reason they told me the 3.73 LS is not available on a 3/4 V-10 is due to
emissions certification. I've been told it might be available in the future
but no idea when

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

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From: Don & Bobbi Jones
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, August 13, 1998 10:50 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - F250, V10, 3.73 limited slip


>I am about to order my new F250 with the V10 and 2WD. I would prefer to
>have the 3.73 rear end and would like to have it as limited slip. It
>appears that the 3.73 limited slip is avialable only with the diesel.
>This seems to be because the 3.73's limited slips are in short supply.
>
>Anybody have any idea when the 3.73 ltd slip might be available with the
>V10?
>
>Don Jones


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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:21:31 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph L. Casey"
Subject: FTE 97up - factory exhaust brake rumors, et al

Back in Feb or Mar, there were statements that Ford would offer an exhaust
brake as a factory option later in the year (when?). Has anyone heard any
more about this--official or unoffical?

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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 08:28:00 -0700
From: alanh galaxy.nsc.com (The Hepburn)
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - PSD Noise Levels

> The 1999 SD Power Stroke is Intercooled (reduces air temperatures for
> more power and as a side effect slightly quieter).

I'm going to pick a nit here: unless the cooler is placed between a pair
of turbos, the engine is "aftercooled", not "intercooled". I know that
all the marketing hype says "intercooled" but semantically it's incorrect,
and any turbo engineer will agree.

Of course, that won't stop me from enjoying the engine, or listening to
Nathan's great contributions to this list!

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National Semiconductor | Proud to be part of the |
Santa Clara, Ca | Vast Right Wing Conspiracy |
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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:29:26 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 450 spare?

No I think it is just hung over the frame for shipping and is supposed to be
mounted to the body after it is mounted. What I said earlier was wrong
(typed before thinking). I'm sure your local Metal fab sop could make a
nice hanger.

Nathan

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From: Claude King
To: '97up-list ford-trucks.com'
Date: Friday, August 14, 1998 7:36 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - 450 spare?


>Nathan had mention that the 450 would have the spare under the frame? The
>450 uses the straight and narrow frame for mounting Aux bodies? Is the
>spare mounted midship then? Where the tank normal goes. Don't think there
>is room between frame rails for the tire. I would really like to know
>because I was considering a cab/chassis 350 but didn't think the spare had
>any place to go.
>
>//ck


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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:32:14 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Nascar Edition

The 3.73 were only available in the Nascar edition F-150. For 99 it will be
standard with the 5.4L Off Road to off set the taller tires.

All Nascar editions were 2wd R/C.

Nathan

- -----Original Message-----
From: Randy Kindler
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, August 13, 1998 6:59 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Nascar Edition


>
>>
>>Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:10:28 EDT
>>From: Sen4546 aol.com
>>Subject: FTE 97up - Re: 97up-
>>I just purchased the 98 nascar edition F150 with the 4.6L V8 and 4speed
>auto.
>>Everything is pretty much the same as a XLT, but the rear end is a 3.73.
>>I have looked in the brochure, the only 3.73 rear end they offer is in the
>>F250. I guess my question is what is the difference between the 3.73 and
>the
>>3.55 rear ends. Any help is greatly appreciated.
>Cool! 3.73s in an F150. I always wondered why they weren't available on
>F150s. Expeditions are available with 3.73s. It must be an EPA thing. I
>believe that it is still the 8.8" rear end, though. Is the NASCAR edition
>available in 4WD?
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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:17:28 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - PSD Noise Levels

I've noticed the difference of terminology. Most Diesel applications call
it aftercooling, Most Gas apps call it Intercooled and Lotus had a "Charge
cooled" (water to air intercooler) on the Esprit. Which one is correct is
hard to tell. But the Power Stroke has "Intercooled" molded into the top of
the Air cleaner lid.

Nathan

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From: The Hepburn
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, August 17, 1998 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - PSD Noise Levels


>> The 1999 SD Power Stroke is Intercooled (reduces air temperatures for
>> more power and as a side effect slightly quieter).
>
>I'm going to pick a nit here: unless the cooler is placed between a pair
>of turbos, the engine is "aftercooled", not "intercooled". I know that
>all the marketing hype says "intercooled" but semantically it's incorrect,
>and any turbo engineer will agree.
>
>Of course, that won't stop me from enjoying the engine, or listening to
>Nathan's great contributions to this list!


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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:31:44 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - STD automatic vs HD automatic option

I've never heard anything about any different transmissions. Visibly they
look the same (except the PTO unit), and none of my literature lists any
differences between 3/4 and 1 ton SD transmissions.

Nathan

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From: Les
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, August 14, 1998 1:13 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - STD automatic vs HD automatic option


>An interesting piece of information regarding the 1999 SD trucks was
brought
>to my attention by my Ford dealer. The 1999 one ton truck comes with a
>heavy duty automatic transmission (with overdrive). The standard 3/4 ton 4
>spd automatic transmission with OD is good but is not the heavy duty
>version.
>
>If your interested in a HD version for your 3/4 ton, the way to get the
>heavy duty automatic transmission version on a 3/4 ton is to order the
power
>take-off provision (#62R $213). The dealer noted they were ordering all
>their 3/4 trucks with the PTO Provision.


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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 14:08:38 -0400
From: "jmc.chartier"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - '97 5.4 Newby Performance Questions

Johnson, John wrote:

> Glad to get some enhanced performance related information! I have a '98
> F150 with the 281 c.i. (4.6L) and 3.55 that came with the towing
> package. I like the mileage but could use a little more power pulling a
> two horse trailer in the mountains. It weighs about 5500 with horses,
> feed and tack. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
>
> John
>
>
> John,

I have a 97 XLT SC 4x4 with the 4.6 and 5 spd man. I first installed a
K&N then a Borla cat back and finally a Superchips chip. The chip gave me
the biggest gain, then the Borla then the K&N. It is hard to notice 15 hp
with the seat of your pants when you are empty, but if you try it loaded you
should be able to feel it. None of these add ons will snap you neck but
IMHO they are worth it. I had my superchips custom programmed to remove the
speed limiter and move the rev limiter to 6500 rpm. It is easier to climb
sand dunes with a stick when you do not have to shift gears. I have since
cut out my filter box to expose more of the K&N and plugged/covered some
slots where the airbox attaches to the rubber hose after the MAF. I noticed
now that at 5000 rpm the engine is more willing to rev to the limit than
before the modification. I got that idea from reading posts on the K&N
FIPK.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier

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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 17:31:41 EDT
From: RAMWORKER aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - RE: F350 Height

Oh Chris!

Be careful about that new Dodge! They're having a lot of problems with low
power, and some with reliability of the new electronics. Be sure to drive the
one you want to be sure it doesn't have a power problem. If it doesn't have a
power problem from the beginning, it will most likely be OK from now on. Don't
buy one that won't pull when you test drive it, don't buy that BS about
waiting for break-in to get Max power. That used to be true, but the way they
machine these new engines, I simply don't believe it.

Best Regards,
Robert

In a message dated 8/17/98 6:18:49 AM Central Daylight Time, crippel exis.net
writes:


Dodge/Cummns package. The truck is OK but I miss the power, driveability
and economy of the Cummins engine. Having driven both, the Power Stroke
simply comes up short. >>
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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:35:14 -0800
From: "Les"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - STD automatic vs HD automatic option

Okay, here are the specific's I got from the Ford dealer after receiving
your post.

The 34/ Ton and 1 Ton come standard with an E40D Auto transmission.

If you order the PTO provision at extra cost, you get the heavier duty Auto
transmission 4R100.

That's the information from the local dealer anyway. Check it out and if
incorrect let us know.


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From: Union Auto
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, August 17, 1998 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - STD automatic vs HD automatic option


>I've never heard anything about any different transmissions. Visibly they
>look the same (except the PTO unit), and none of my literature lists any
>differences between 3/4 and 1 ton SD transmissions.
>
>Nathan
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Les
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Date: Friday, August 14, 1998 1:13 AM
>Subject: FTE 97up - STD automatic vs HD automatic option
>
>
>>An interesting piece of information regarding the 1999 SD trucks was
>brought
>>to my attention by my Ford dealer. The 1999 one ton truck comes with a
>>heavy duty automatic transmission (with overdrive). The standard 3/4 ton
4
>>spd automatic transmission with OD is good but is not the heavy duty
>>version.
>>
>>If your interested in a HD version for your 3/4 ton, the way to get the
>>heavy duty automatic transmission version on a 3/4 ton is to order the
>power
>>take-off provision (#62R $213). The dealer noted they were ordering all
>>their 3/4 trucks with the PTO Provision.
>


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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 15:10:46 -0700
From: johny
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - STD automatic vs HD automatic option

Your dealer appears to be comparing apples to oranges.

The LD (light duty) 250's (3/4 ton) truck probably comes
with an E40D. I do not believe a PTO option is available
with this transmission (on this truck) (Is this what was refered to as
a "standard F250" below?)

On the other hand:
The Super Duty F250 (3/4 ton) and F350 (1 ton) does have the
PTO option available on the automatic (4R100).

There still appears to be dealers that are confusing the two types of trucks.
The ones dealing in autos (cars), being the most confused.
Something similar was happening at the end of 97 when the HD
trucks were phasing out. (the 97 HD trucks have E40D's)

- -john

Les wrote:

> Okay, here are the specific's I got from the Ford dealer after receiving
> your post.
>
> The 34/ Ton and 1 Ton come standard with an E40D Auto transmission.
>
> If you order the PTO provision at extra cost, you get the heavier duty Auto
> transmission 4R100.
>
> That's the information from the local dealer anyway. Check it out and if
> incorrect let us know.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Union Auto
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Date: Monday, August 17, 1998 9:57 AM
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - STD automatic vs HD automatic option
>
> >I've never heard anything about any different transmissions. Visibly they
> >look the same (except the PTO unit), and none of my literature lists any
> >differences between 3/4 and 1 ton SD transmissions.
> >
> >Nathan
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Les
> >To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> >Date: Friday, August 14, 1998 1:13 AM
> >Subject: FTE 97up - STD automatic vs HD automatic option
> >
> >
> >>An interesting piece of information regarding the 1999 SD trucks was
> >brought
> >>to my attention by my Ford dealer. The 1999 one ton truck comes with a
> >>heavy duty automatic transmission (with overdrive). The standard 3/4 ton
> 4
> >>spd automatic transmission with OD is good but is not the heavy duty
> >>version.
> >>
> >>If your interested in a HD version for your 3/4 ton, the way to get the
> >>heavy duty automatic transmission version on a 3/4 ton is to order the
> >power
> >>take-off provision (#62R $213). The dealer noted they were ordering all
> >>their 3/4 trucks with the PTO Provision.
> >
>
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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 18:23:08 -0400
From: "Frank Wanicka"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - STD automatic vs HD automatic option

Your dealer is mistaken. they all get the 4R100.
____________________
Frank Wanicka
99 SD SC 4x4 PSD

- -----Original Message-----
From: Les
To:
Date: Monday, August 17, 1998 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - STD automatic vs HD automatic option


>Okay, here are the specific's I got from the Ford dealer after receiving
>your post.
>
>The 34/ Ton and 1 Ton come standard with an E40D Auto transmission.
>
>If you order the PTO provision at extra cost, you get the heavier duty Auto
>transmission 4R100.
>
>That's the information from the local dealer anyway. Check it out and if
>incorrect let us know.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Union Auto
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Date: Monday, August 17, 1998 9:57 AM
>Subject: Re: FTE 97up - STD automatic vs HD automatic option
>
>
>>I've never heard anything about any different transmissions. Visibly they
>>look the same (except the PTO unit), and none of my literature lists any
>>differences between 3/4 and 1 ton SD transmissions.
>>
>>Nathan
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Les
>>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>>Date: Friday, August 14, 1998 1:13 AM
>>Subject: FTE 97up - STD automatic vs HD automatic option
>>
>>
>>>An interesting piece of information regarding the 1999 SD trucks was
>>brought
>>>to my attention by my Ford dealer. The 1999 one ton truck comes with a
>>>heavy duty automatic transmission (with overdrive). The standard 3/4 ton
>4
>>>spd automatic transmission with OD is good but is not the heavy duty
>>>version.
>>>
>>>If your interested in a HD version for your 3/4 ton, the way to get the
>>>heavy duty automatic transmission version on a 3/4 ton is to order the
>>power
>>>take-off provision (#62R $213). The dealer noted they were ordering
all
>>>their 3/4 trucks with the PTO Provision.
>>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 18:59:05 EDT
From: KWkM3 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - STD automatic vs HD automatic option

They all get the 4r100. BTW, the 4r is the e4od with clutch and converter
upgrades.

Harry
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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 20:20:53 -0800
From: "Les"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - STD automatic vs HD automatic option

When the Ford dealer brought this HD transmission option via PTO Provision,
we were talking about the super duty models (I've ordered one).

Interesting information from a couple of post and it appears the dealer
sales folks are confusing the light duty F250 versus the super duty models.


The consensus from recent posts seems to be all super duty trucks have the
heavy duty auto's namely the 4R100. The PTO Provision is listed as
available in the super duty models.

I'm not sure about the light duty F250. As has been mentioned in recent
posts, that may be the cause of confusion. Possibly one can get a heavy
duty transmission in the light duty model by ordering the PTO Provision?


Come to think of it, the super duty's window sticker has the notation HD in
front of the automatic transmission listing. This indicates that the super
duty's already have the heavy duty transmission per what quite a few of you
have indicated.

Maybe I better get the dealership to subscribe to the reflector and get up
to speed. You sure get a lot of good information here ;'))


- -----Original Message-----
From: johny
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, August 17, 1998 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - STD automatic vs HD automatic option


>Your dealer appears to be comparing apples to oranges.
>
>The LD (light duty) 250's (3/4 ton) truck probably comes
>with an E40D. I do not believe a PTO option is available
>with this transmission (on this truck) (Is this what was refered to as
>a "standard F250" below?)
>
>On the other hand:
>The Super Duty F250 (3/4 ton) and F350 (1 ton) does have the
>PTO option available on the automatic (4R100).
>
>There still appears to be dealers that are confusing the two types of
trucks.
>The ones dealing in autos (cars), being the most confused.
>Something similar was happening at the end of 97 when the HD
>trucks were phasing out. (the 97 HD trucks have E40D's)
>
>-john
>
>Les wrote:
>
>> Okay, here are the specific's I got from the Ford dealer after receiving
>> your post.
>>
>> The 34/ Ton and 1 Ton come standard with an E40D Auto transmission.
>>
>> If you order the PTO provision at extra cost, you get the heavier duty
Auto
>> transmission 4R100.
>>
>> That's the information from the local dealer anyway. Check it out and if
>> incorrect let us know.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Union Auto
>> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>> Date: Monday, August 17, 1998 9:57 AM
>> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - STD automatic vs HD automatic option
>>
>> >I've never heard anything about any different transmissions. Visibly
they
>> >look the same (except the PTO unit), and none of my literature lists any
>> >differences between 3/4 and 1 ton SD transmissions.
>> >
>> >Nathan
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----....

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