97up-list-digest Tuesday, August 18 1998 Volume 01 : Number 186



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In this issue:

FTE 97up - Re: Body for towing
FTE 97up - RE: F350 Height
Re: FTE 97up - 2 questions, changes and fuel economy
FTE 97up - PSD Noise Levels
RE: FTE 97up - 99 F350 4WD PSD SC LWB LARIAT Question
RE: FTE 97up - '97 5.4 Newby Performance Questions
Re: FTE 97up - Fords Low interest Rates
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Spare tire
> Re: FTE 97up - PSD Noise Levels
Re: FTE 97up - F250, V10, 3.73 limited slip
FTE 97up - factory exhaust brake rumors, et al
Re: FTE 97up - PSD Noise Levels
Re: FTE 97up - 450 spare?
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Nascar Edition
Re: FTE 97up - PSD Noise Levels
Re: FTE 97up - STD automatic vs HD automatic option
Re: FTE 97up - '97 5.4 Newby Performance Questions
Re: FTE 97up - RE: F350 Height
Re: FTE 97up - STD automatic vs HD automatic option
Re: FTE 97up - STD automatic vs HD automatic option
Re: FTE 97up - STD automatic vs HD automatic option
Re: FTE 97up - STD automatic vs HD automatic option
FTE 97up - ADMIN: Truck Driving Schools
Re: FTE 97up - STD automatic vs HD automatic option

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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 06:58:40 -0400
From: Lee Haefele
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Body for towing

The one thing you all need to look at...I have a 99 F-350 DRW
Chassis-cab, the straight frame rail chassis that comes with this is
much larger than the F-350 DRW pickup box model. It is larger than my
89 CC. The pickup model is smaller than either, and has little 5 leaf
springs. I don't understand how both have 11,200 GVW. So, if you will
have heavy use, I suggest you get a cab-chassis & put a body on it.
Next note...Mine is a v-10 4X4 SC DRW, dealer order book & window
sticker state I get "Htdro-Boost Brakes"...I got vacuum boost brakes,
THAT DON"T WORK! They just require too much pedal pressure to stop the
truck, which is loaded to 10,500 lbs. I called Ford twice, they
referred it back to dealer, who called Ford...answer, must be missprint,
gas engines come with vacuum boost.
Is there any Federal spec on brake pedal pressure? This one takes 50
lbs foot pressure to stop at end of driveway, 70 lbs for "normal" stop
from 35 mph. Right after I got my truck, they ran out of V-10s, so very
few have been made in this configuration.
Suggestions please!
Lee Haefele
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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 07:18:26 -0400
From: "Chuck Rippel"
Subject: FTE 97up - RE: F350 Height

The height is real issue. The cab lights of my '93 F-250 4WD cleared the
garage by only about 1" in our old house. I would drive one to your house
before buying it just to make sure. If they don't have one, I would be happy to
measure my F350 4X4 for you. However, don't dilly-dally if you want me to
measure it. I am giving serious thought to selling it and going back to the
Dodge/Cummns package. The truck is ok but I miss the power, driveability
and economy of the Cummins engine. Having driven both, the Power Stroke
> simply comes up short.

We now live on a farm and I keep the truck in an equipment shed. It's 12' door
leaves plenty of room. Clearance is no longer an issue.

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Chuck Rippel
crippel exis.net
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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 07:16:36 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph L. Casey"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 2 questions, changes and fuel economy

I'm not sure what towing situations are being referred to but, when towing
14,500+ lbs of 5th wheel and with a gross weight for truck plus trailer of
21,500+ lbs, we get 10.5-10.8 mpg on the highway. Empty on the highway, 15
or more is very possible--perhaps nearly 17. We have done very little empty
driving so I can't give a good figure for that.

At 06:05 PM 8/15/98 EDT, you wrote:
>All I have heard is rave reviews by those who own and those who want to own a
>new Ford Super Duty truck. 8 mpg sounds way way way off, the Powerstroke
> Diesel in the new F-Super Duties gets around 15 and up depending on the load
>being towed. Ford's Power Stroke diesel is made by International, and
>International knows a thing or two about diesels. The new V-10 gets much
>better gas milage than the old 460 v-8 gas, you may want to look into getting
>a V-10.
>
>
>David
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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:24:57 EDT
From: JDavis1277 aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - PSD Noise Levels

My neighbor just bought a new PSD. His truck is a supercab at the base trim
level. Has black bumpers and grill.

Is it my imagination or is the new PSD much quieter than previous years? He
had a 97 PSD and I could hear him coming for about 100 feet, but now he gets
to sneak up on me.

I would think a quieter diesel would be a selling point but haven't HEARD
anything about it ;=)

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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:48:58 -0400
From: Donald Denning
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - 99 F350 4WD PSD SC LWB LARIAT Question

It had nothing to do with the Plow itself.

The Prep package was not orderable on the Supercab
but it was on the Regular and Crew Cabs.



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From: F150DML aol.com [SMTP:F150DML aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 15, 1998 6:01 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 F350 4WD PSD SC LWB LARIAT Question

Hello,
I work for Perimeter Ford in Atlanta, Georgia in the parts dept. The
reason you cannot order a snow plow direct from Ford is because Ford does
not
sell enough to put money into stocking and building snow plows for trucks.
Trust me your truck can definitly be equipped to have a snow plow. It is
possible to put a snow plow on almost any truck or SUV. The Ford F-Series
is
the best selling truck for 21 years running, people that produce snow plows
know this and thus it is not difficult to get one for your truck.

Very Truly Yours,
David
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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 07:30:02 -0700
From: "Johnson, John"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - '97 5.4 Newby Performance Questions

Glad to get some enhanced performance related information! I have a '98
F150 with the 281 c.i. (4.6L) and 3.55 that came with the towing
package. I like the mileage but could use a little more power pulling a
two horse trailer in the mountains. It weighs about 5500 with horses,
feed and tack. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

John

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> From: chris coleman[SMTP:thermomonkey yahoo.com]
> Reply To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 16, 1998 9:47 AM
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 97up - '97 5.4 Newby Performance Questions
>
> Tony, from the Dynomometer tests that have been performed by the other
> members, the borla exhaust added 15 hp as I recall keeping with the
> same gas mileage. This resulted in a nice low rumble at idle and nice
> deep sound at full throttle.
>
> As for the rims, watch what you buy. Ford went to a new hub design on
> the '97s. Just make sure that it will fit. Other than that, I don't
> recall what those rims look like.
>
> Finally, the performance chip, doesn't change overall
> horsepower/torque, mearly ships the high point down about 500 RPM. K&N
> > air filter: no effect. Pulleys, I haven't heard anything here about
> changes like that, so, try it and let us know.
>
> Have fun playing Tony, Chris Coleman, '97 Expy XLT, Smittybilt nerf
> bars, K&N air filter, Pioneer FHM-75 double din radio.
>
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________
> DO YOU YAHOO!?
> >
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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:11:00 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Fords Low interest Rates

No the Super Duty does not get the low interest. I don't expect the 2000
for about a year.

Nathan

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From: Alan Wilson
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, August 17, 1998 2:48 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Fords Low interest Rates


>At 03:08 AM 8/17/98 EDT, you wrote:
>>Do the low interest rates Ford advertises apply to 1999 F250 and F350
super
>>duty trucks ? someone told me the year 2000 trucks will be out in March is
>>this correct?
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>Rates apply to all trucks...now get some sleep, dude. "03:08 AM"??
Geeze...
>Alan Wilson
>
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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:39:56 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Spare tire
>
The Spare tire is optional on all SD trucks (standard on F-150/250 LD). The
price varies by what tires you have. The reason it isn't standard is that
50% of the trucks I sell the Farmers don't want the spare (won't fit
underneath with a DMI hitch).

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.


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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:55:42 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - PSD Noise Levels

The 1999 SD Power Stroke is Intercooled (reduces air temperatures for more
power and as a side effect slightly quieter). It also uses split shot
injectors which inject a small amount of fuel that detonates (causing the
rattle sound in a Diesel) and then injects the amount of fuel needed to
produce power after the fuel is already combusting. This softens the
knocking sound greatly. The 99's are much quitter than any other Direct
injected Light truck Diesel (though still loud).

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

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From: JDavis1277 aol.com
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, August 17, 1998 8:41 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - PSD Noise Levels


>My neighbor just bought a new PSD. His truck is a supercab at the base
trim
>level. Has black bumpers and grill.
>
>Is it my imagination or is the new PSD much quieter than previous years?
He
>had a 97 PSD and I could hear him coming for about 100 feet, but now he
gets
>to sneak up on me.
>
>I would think a quieter diesel would be a selling point but haven't HEARD
>anything about it ;=)
>
>Thanks, Butch Davis-


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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:17:33 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - F250, V10, 3.73 limited slip

The reason they told me the 3.73 LS is not available on a 3/4 V-10 is due to
emissions certification. I've been told it might be available in the future
but no idea when

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

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From: Don & Bobbi Jones
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, August 13, 1998 10:50 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - F250, V10, 3.73 limited slip


>I am about to order my new F250 with the V10 and 2WD. I would prefer to
>have the 3.73 rear end and would like to have it as limited slip. It
>appears that the 3.73 limited slip is avialable only with the diesel.
>This seems to be because the 3.73's limited slips are in short supply.
>
>Anybody have any idea when the 3.73 ltd slip might be available with the
>V10?
>
>Don Jones


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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:21:31 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph L. Casey"
Subject: FTE 97up - factory exhaust brake rumors, et al

Back in Feb or Mar, there were statements that Ford would offer an exhaust
> brake as a factory option later in the year (when?). Has anyone heard any
more about this--official or unoffical?

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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 08:28:00 -0700
From: alanh galaxy.nsc.com (The Hepburn)
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - PSD Noise Levels

> The 1999 SD Power Stroke is Intercooled (reduces air temperatures for
> more power and as a side effect slightly quieter).

I'm going to pick a nit here: unless the cooler is placed between a pair
of turbos, the engine is "aftercooled", not "intercooled". I know that
all the marketing hype says "intercooled" but semantically it's incorrect,
and any turbo engineer will agree.

Of course, that won't stop me from enjoying the engine, or listening to
Nathan's great contributions to this list!

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National Semiconductor | Proud to be part of the |
Santa Clara, Ca | Vast Right Wing Conspiracy |
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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:29:26 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 450 spare?

No I think it is just hung over the frame for shipping and is supposed to be
mounted to the body after it is mounted. What I said earlier was wrong
(typed before thinking). I'm sure your local Metal fab sop could make a
nice hanger.

Nathan

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From: Claude King
To: '97up-list ford-trucks.com'
Date: Friday, August 14, 1998 7:36 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - 450 spare?


>Nathan had mention that the 450 would have the spare under the frame? The
>450 uses the straight and narrow frame for mounting Aux bodies? Is the
>spare mounted midship then? Where the tank normal goes. Don't think there
>is room between frame rails for the tire. I would really like to know
>because I was considering a cab/chassis 350 but didn't think the spare had
>any place to go.
>
>//ck


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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:32:14 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Nascar Edition

The 3.73 were only available in the Nascar edition F-150. For 99 it will be
standard with the 5.4L Off Road to off set the taller tires.

All Nascar editions were 2wd R/C.

Nathan

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