97up-list-digest Tuesday, August 4 1998 Volume 01 : Number 172



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - New F-150 stalling and suddenly accelerating
FTE 97up - Re: 99 PSD Supplies/Accessories
FTE 97up - Re: 98 Explorer Repair Manual
FTE 97up - pinging and knocking
FTE 97up - Re:New F-150 stalling & suddenly accelerating
Re: FTE 97up - New F-150 stalling and suddenly accelerating
FTE 97up - Re: stalling and sudden acceleration
FTE 97up - 97' F250 engine problems
FTE 97up - 98 Ranger aftermarket/stock upgrades--is it too late??

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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 09:43:12 -0400
From: Chad Royse
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - New F-150 stalling and suddenly accelerating

A learning computer should not do anything like that. Most people
can't even tell when their computer is learning or running. My
experience is that a learning computer typically gets slightly less
MPG, and may run a LITTLE rough here and there.

I would definitely take it in, there's something wrong. I just hope
it does it often enough, they can find it, or maybe the computer
stored some useful error codes.

Chad

Tiger wrote:
>
> My month-old '98 F-150 XLT SuperCab, automatic, 4.6L V8 has done a few
> things that have started to worry me:
>
> 1. On the day after I bought it, it stalled at a stop sign. I thought that
> was no big deal since it was brand new... as long as it didn't do it again.
>
> 2. Last week while I was slowly driving in a parking lot without my foot on
> the gas or brake, as soon as I started to turn into a stall the truck
> suddenly accelerated forward on its own. Fortunately I was able to hit the
> brakes before I hit the other car.
>
> 3. Today when driving into a parking lot the engine just stopped when I
> started to accelerate a little.
>
> A couple people I know say this is normal for a new car with a "learning
> computer" that is trying to figure out how I drive. Shouldn't it have
> figured it out by this time? It's got 660 miles on it now.
>
> It's bad enough to stall once while stopped, but to suddenly accelerate or
> to stall while moving is another story, in my opinion.
>
> Should I take it in for service and hope they can adjust the timing
> somehow? Three problems in one month is still very intermittent. How many
> more times before I should worry?
>
> Is this problem common among new F-150s?
>
> Thanks.
>
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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:08:31 EDT
From: JDavis1277 aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: 99 PSD Supplies/Accessories

Claude,

Awhile back I posted the info that J&J Enterprises is selling Super Duty
stuff. Not filters, but bolt-on items. The URL is www.j--jent.com/. When I
tried it the links to specific items were not working but it may be going now.

I saw the information in Trailer Life magazine, so hopefully the web site is
now functional.

Good luck, Butch Davis-

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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:10:47 EDT
From: JDavis1277 aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: 98 Explorer Repair Manual

Andrew,

You can't do better than the Helms manuals. They are the best value. Get
them.

Butch Davis-
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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:14:16 -0700
From: STEPHEN_WITTE hp-sandiego-om2.om.hp.com
Subject: FTE 97up - pinging and knocking


Hello,

I have a 97 F350 crew cab 460 5spd 4x4 SRW with 3,500 miles. In the
last month or so, this truck has slowly started pinging and knocking
on warm days and appears to lose power when doing so. I am hauling
very little in it. The knocking starts around 1700 rpm and keeps
going up to 2500 rpm. I usually keep the rpm at 2000 or below.

I'm going to take it to the dealer and complain, but I was wondering
if anyone has had similar trouble, and can give some hints on how to
handle this.

- Stephen Witte
San Diego, CA.

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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:39:00 EDT
From: ROBBCWZ aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Re:New F-150 stalling & suddenly accelerating

When the AC compressor kicks in, it can cause what feels like "sudden
acceleration" because the throttle is opened a tad to make up for the extra
load. It was fairly noticeable on my '97 F-150, but on my '98 it's all but
imperceptible; it must depend on how fine the adjustment is set.

The '97 never stalled, but the '98 has done this just once (early in its life)
and at a stop sign similar to your experience. Touch wood it has not done it
again.

Personally I'm not big on the "learning computer" excuses - a vehicle should
be safe and operable from the get-go. I'm sure my insurance company, and
anyone that I hit, would not accept that the accident occurred because the
"computer was learning".

RobbC
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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:22:54 -0500
From: "Mike Fairleigh"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - New F-150 stalling and suddenly accelerating

Wow. While the people you talked with are correct about the truck having to
learn how to idle, learn how you drive, etc., yes - I think it should be
done doing that by now (long ago, for that matter). Even the day you drove
it off the lot it shouldn't have done those kinds of things. That really
sounds like you've got a problem with the computer or one of the components
of the computer to me. I hate to say that, but there isn't a single facet
of that engine's operation (including the timing) that isn't totally
controlled by the computer. There are no adjustments. It should not surge,
and it should not die. Note that under normal conditions, it will sometimes
idle a *little* rough at stop lights, etc. This was programmed into the
computer intentionally and has to do with conforming to government emissions
regulations. But this is a whole different thing than what you're talking
about.

I'd get it in.

Mike Fairleigh
mikef sky.net
...Always remembering their sacrifices.

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From: Tiger
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Date: Monday, August 03, 1998 12:18 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - New F-150 stalling and suddenly accelerating


>My month-old '98 F-150 XLT SuperCab, automatic, 4.6L V8 has done a few
>things that have started to worry me:
>
>1. On the day after I bought it, it stalled at a stop sign. I thought that
>was no big deal since it was brand new... as long as it didn't do it again.
>
>2. Last week while I was slowly driving in a parking lot without my foot on
>the gas or brake, as soon as I started to turn into a stall the truck
>suddenly accelerated forward on its own. Fortunately I was able to hit the
>brakes before I hit the other car.
>
>3. Today when driving into a parking lot the engine just stopped when I
>started to accelerate a little.
>
>A couple people I know say this is normal for a new car with a "learning
>computer" that is trying to figure out how I drive. Shouldn't it have
>figured it out by this time? It's got 660 miles on it now.
>
>It's bad enough to stall once while stopped, but to suddenly accelerate or
>to stall while moving is another story, in my opinion.
>
>Should I take it in for service and hope they can adjust the timing
>somehow? Three problems in one month is still very intermittent. How many
>more times before I should worry?
>
>Is this problem common among new F-150s?
>
>Thanks.
>
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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 20:35:21 -0600
From: "Randy Kindler"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: stalling and sudden acceleration

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>Should I take it in for service and hope they can adjust the timing
>somehow? Three problems in one month is still very intermittent. How many
>more times before I should worry?
>
>Is this problem common among new F-150s?
>
Take it to the Dealer and have them plug it in to their diagnostic computer.
Its probably a sensor or something. That's what warranty is for.

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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 21:50:30 -0500
From: "Jack Lubinski"
Subject: FTE 97up - 97' F250 engine problems

On a few previous posts a problem was reported with the 5.4 L triton engine
regarding what is called "cold start knock". My 97 F250 is sounding a lot
more like a diesel engine at start up as well. I returned the truck to the
dealership a few days ago and was informed the engine would have to be
replaced.

This latest major problem follows a string of "quality control" difficulties
we have experienced, ie premature rust on bumper and rims, oil and fluid
leaks, faulty electrical swithch, front window condensation, faulty power
window, recall for shift linkage and latest recall for wheel nuts. The
vehicle is less than one year old and has under 20,000km!!!

My first question is, are other ford truck owners experiencing this level of
frustration with quality related issues?

My second question is in regard to the engine replacement. Does anyone know
if the Windsor plant worked out the piston slap problem yet? someone
previous reported that a second 5.4 L was installed in their vehicle and
within a month or so started to make the same noise again..l Now that's got
to be a kick in the back side. Besides inconvenience, one month of crappy
gas mileage during engine break-in only to have to go through in all again.

As a life long Ford truck owner... I am very disappointed in Ford's new
trucks. I am hoping my dealer can turn things around as they have been
great with their service so far.

jack lubinski


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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 21:38:17 -0700
From: "Travis W. Marshall"
Subject: FTE 97up - 98 Ranger aftermarket/stock upgrades--is it too late??

Hello group, a question about the seemingly basic stuff on my 98
Ranger.

First of all; when I got the pickup I went with what I thought I
needed most, XLT trim, Ext cab, 4x4, and misc. others. I however
did not go with the power options package, which I thought twice
about.

What I would like to do, is locate a way to add the power door
locks, but not necessarily the power windows, depending on
cosmetics/cost for the truck. Does anyone know how I could go
about getting either a stock (is it too late?) or after market
kit to add the remote locks? Also, if there is an alarm system
out there that might have it all inclusive? That is my ultimate
goal here... I want a strong alarm, with power locks, and keep
the cosmetic destruction on the low end.

And of course, to throw in my 2 worth of knowledge on the "rear
end noise" from the new Rangers; I was told "it happens" and that
"anything gone wrong is my fault." So, the dealers basically say
they aren't concerned.

Of course, any help would be great, and I do enjoy reading
everyone's
posts! Keep them coming my way!!!

Thank you in advance,
Travis W. Marshall
Email:::=> f16fixer ....


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