97up-list-digest Wednesday, July 29 1998 Volume 01 : Number 166



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In this issue:

FTE 97up - F-350 Delivery Dates (Ref: R. Hunter's question & Nathan's response)
Re: FTE 97up - 99 Super Duty Transmissions
FTE 97up - Super Duty Price increase
FTE 97up - RE: Super Duty
FTE 97up - ADMIN: Your email address ford-trucks.com!
Re: FTE 97up - 1999 F-150 Brochures
FTE 97up - ADMIN: Last chance to nominate us!
FTE 97up - test
FTE 97up - limited slip axel

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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 07:22:26 EDT
From: MRoadarDOJ aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - F-350 Delivery Dates (Ref: R. Hunter's question & Nathan's response)

Regarding Russell Hunter's question and Nathan's response: I ordered my truck
(1999 F-350 Crewcab, SRW, V-10) in May and the dealer estimated 90 days to
deliver. Once he had a VIN, he was told to expect delivery on 8/3 and that
date stayed firm as he checked from time to time to keep me posted. However,
the truck arrived at the dealership yesterday, one week EARLY. They will prep
the truck and deliver to me in the next day or two.
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 08:08:04 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 Super Duty Transmissions

It is a reworked version of the E4OD called the 4R100. It is rated for 600
Lb/ft of input torque so I don't think that your going to have a trany
problem. I had many customers switch from Dodge (due to numerous
transmission and brake problems) and they haven't had any problems since.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Russ Crisp
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, July 27, 1998 1:26 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - 99 Super Duty Transmissions


>Is the 4 speed automatic transmission in the new 99
>super duty line the A4OD? Looks like this particular
>transmission could be a weak link.. Or do these new
>trucks have a new unproven transmission? I've heard
>both stories. Want to get to the bottom of this issue.
>Does anyone have the facts?
>
>kindest regards!
>rc
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 10:11:25 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: FTE 97up - Super Duty Price increase

The prices on Super Duty's went up as of this morning. The only changes
I've seen is the V10 is now $350 instead of $335, and most trucks went up
$400-500. Passenger Air bag is now standard. If you already have an order
in you are price protected to the old pricing. All vehicles already built
will have the old pricing also.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:15:43 -0400
From: "Chuck Rippel"
Subject: FTE 97up - RE: Super Duty

> Is the 4 speed automatic transmission in the new 99
> super duty line the A4OD? Looks like this particular
> transmission could be a weak link.. Or do these new
> trucks have a new unproven transmission? I've heard
> both stories. Want to get to the bottom of this issue.
> Does anyone have the facts?
>
> kindest regards!

You didn't say but I assume you are speaking to a diesel power vehicle? With
the diesel powered trucks available today, the transmission IS the weak link
unless they find a way to shoehorn in the 6 speed Allison musher some way.

My background is with the Dodge/Cummins trucks but I'll try and help you and
add to the Collective Wisdom at the same time. I just bought af F350/Super
Duty diesel with the "new" transmission and 3:77 rear end. It is my
understanding is that the new transmission is a beefed up E40D. The new
torque converter has a lower stall speed to take advantage of the torque curve
of the International diesel. Additionally, they have beefed up the clutches to
handle the 500ft/lbs torque. That was a good and responsible thing for Ford to
do and the main reason I bought the vehicle. I like the way it shifts in general
and especially under load. Well done!

I understand it is a 4 speed!? Are we talking 4 shifts then a lockup? I am
embarassed to say that I never counted.

As an aside......

We pull a double axle #8800 horse trailer. From that background, I can share
that the weakness in the Dodge was the torque converter/transmission. The
engine made plenty of power and behaved more like a diesel than the Powe
Stroke does and make its big torque (which you can really feel in the seat of
your pants) at about 1,400 RPM. So far, (with 1,500 mi on the truck) the Power
Stroke is ok but it feels pretty much like a gas engine on the road. Add to that,
the International is not able to be used with a Jake-Brake or Pac-Brake, a real
downside in the hills/mountains here in VA horse country. This presents a
problem going DOWN hills loaded...

The problem with my Dodge was that the Mopar torque converter would allow
the engine to rev up to about 2,000 RPM under load and not couple the power to
the ground. Since the engine turned only about 2,400RPM which made the
redline/governor point kind of close. This presented a problem going UP hills
loaded....

Am very happy with the '350 Super Duty thus far and its far and away better than
my 1993 F250 diesel. However, as with all of lifes choices, there are differences
to be weighed and compromises to be accepted. It will be interesting to see if
the new truck will deliver the 24MPG that my '95 4 x 4 Cummins B5.9 230 2500 did.

ciao
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Chuck Rippel
crippel exis.net
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 17:48:53 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: Your email address ford-trucks.com!

>From the Ford Truck Enthusiasts admin, please read it, its
important!

In the last 4 weeks, we've received a grand total of less
than $30 in FTE window sticker and Restoration Resource book
sales. After product costs, we made less than $7 on the
sales. Our monthly expenses are significantly higher than
this.

In order to keep Peggy and I from spending even more of our
cash (a few thousand in the last year and a half) on FTE,
we're going to start offering POP3/SMTP email addresses.
The FTE lists will continue to remain free, which is a
commitment I've made to the members from day one - this is
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Now is your chance to get an email address in the form of
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Inbox, Netscape, Internet Explorer and just about any package
you can think of). Its usuable from any ISP so you can keep
the same address even if you change internet providers! Cool
address for your business cards if you have a Ford truck
related business.

We have a very high availability track record with no known
lost mail from our lists (on our end, this is with over
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The cost?
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Existing Ford truck clubs
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- One address for free so long as it is used for club
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I need about 20 people to break even on this. Please email
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Once I have at least 20 people interested, I'll notify everyone
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Regards,
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 18:59:58 -0500
From: "Jack"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 1999 F-150 Brochures

Has anyone been able to find a '99 F-150/250 brochure at their dealer yet?

Maybe someone could scan us some pixs!

Jack


- -----Original Message-----
From: Union Auto
To: Ford Truck Enthusiast
Date: Wednesday, July 22, 1998 2:05 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - 1999 F-150 Brochures


>I just got my first batch of brochures on the '99 F-150. They are a
>combination F-150 and Super Duty brochure. The only changes I can find in
>the Super Duty is Dual Air bags are going to be standard Wedgwood blue and
>Dark Toreador Red replace deep Blue and Violet. The F-150 section is
pretty
>much what you've heard about. The wheels are different this year (last
>year's Off Road wheel is now the Sport wheel). So anybody thats been
>waiting most dealers should have the new brochures by the end of the week.
>Still no prices though.
>
>Nathan Bernard
>Union, Auto, Inc.
>
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 22:22:10 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: Last chance to nominate us!

Nominations close on August 1st.

Car Lounge is taking nominations for the #1 automotive site
for Autumn 98. Due to the support from list members in the
Spring, Ford Truck Enthusiasts won 1st place for the Summer
98 award. If you would like to nominate Ford Truck
Enthusiasts, please visit:

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Regards,
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 20:05:06 -0700
From: "Kurt Lucke"
Subject: FTE 97up - test

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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 20:14:48 -0700
From: "Kurt Lucke"
Subject: FTE 97up - limited slip axel

I have a 97 f250 HD power stroke with a 3.55 limited slip axel. Can anyone
tell me the amount of torque( lb-ft} that is to be transfered to the wheel
with traction if the other wheel has none? Also how to conduct a test to....

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