97up-list-digest Saturday, July 25 1998 Volume 01 : Number 162



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - Re: Rebates
Re: FTE 97up - 99 F-150 Colors
Re: FTE 97up - Time to VIN
FTE 97up - lethargic 4.6
FTE 97up - 98 F-150 Door lock rattle
Re: FTE 97up - Time to VIN
Re: FTE 97up - lethargic 4.6
RE: FTE 97up - 98 F-150 Door lock rattle
Re: FTE 97up - lethargic 4.6
Re: FTE 97up - Time to VIN
Re: FTE 97up - Time to VIN
FTE 97up - Billett grilles and muffler systems

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 07:51:58 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Rebates

This is a incentive that is paid to the dealer. It is the dealers choice
what to do with it. Some just consider it extra profit. Some just figure
it on the deal and don't mention it to the customer. If somebody's trading
I just add the money (I get $450 now) to the trade in's value to show them
more money for it. If the deal is outright I usually mention the dealer
cash and show them the price I'm charging and where it comes from. So you
may have already had the money figured in your deal but if you don't I'm
afraid its too late to do much about it. The only way you will probably
get a better deal is if CUSTOMER rebates go up. (Won't happen in 98 on F-150
though)

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.
Union, IA 50258


- -----Original Message-----
From: Philip Street
To: '97up-list ford-trucks.com'
Date: Thursday, July 23, 1998 12:36 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Rebates


>I signed a purchase order for a new F150 on 10 July (still waiting for
>delivery), but there was no mention by the salesman of the $350 dealer cash
>incentive that was discussed on this list recently. Would I be entitled to
>this incentive or is this for the dealer only?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Phil Street
>
>streetpd midcoast.com


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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 09:01:36 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 F-150 Colors

The Expedition, Explorer, Mountaineer, and Econoline have the Medium
Wedgwood Blue color, The F-series (including SD in the next couple of
months) show Deep Wedgwood Blue. This color seems to be half way between
Moonlight Blue and Medium Wedgwood blue.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Jack B
To: Late-Model F-150 Mailing List ;
97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, July 23, 1998 1:56 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - 99 F-150 Colors


>Can anyone tell me what other Ford vehicle (s) have the medium wedgewood
>blue color, which is new for the 99 F-150? I believe the new crown vic and
>expedition have it, but are there any others? Or is this a unique color
for
>the F-150 and not available on others Ford products?
>
>Thanks
>Jack


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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 08:50:49 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Time to VIN

Allocations are based on sales. Super Duties sell as fast as you can get
them so the real determining factor is what the dealer had for sales of 1997
Heavy Duties in Nov, Dec, and Jan. This determined the initial SD
allocation and from there it stays at that spread (or gets further apart as
dealer with more allocation sells more, he gets more additional allocation,
where dealer with few trucks can't sell as many and therefore can't earn as
many additional allocations). Then you've got to take this compared to what
they are selling. I had a really good Dec. and Jan for HD 3/4 tons so I am
ahead of the game on Super Duties. One of the dealers next to me waited for
the new product and only sold a couple of 97's so he only has one Super Duty
at a time. I usually get 1-2 SD allocations a week, but I'm in a town of
400 people so this correlates to what I sell so I have a small inventory
(usually 3-4 SD's that aren't sold) and have allocation every week to keep
the waiting time down. ( For example I sold a V-10 3/4 ton Monday and got
the VIN today, and should have a truck in about 6 weeks.) The dealer next
to me is in a town of 25,000 and gets only about half as many SD's as I do
so he has a waiting line for vehicles.

So in short, you need to buy at a dealer who gets allocation often, and
doesn't have a long list of orders ahead of yours, and this will get you a
truck quicker.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Pat & Anna
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, July 23, 1998 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Time to VIN


>On Thu, 23 Jul 1998, Union Auto wrote:
>
> >That is a relative thing could be less than a week or could be months.
It
> >just depends what you ordered and where you ordered it.
>
>Could you expand Just a bit on the "where you ordered it" part of this
>statement? Are you talking about location or dealer, here?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Pat


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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 08:21:36 -0700
From: "Sutton, Mike"
Subject: FTE 97up - lethargic 4.6

I bought a 98 F150 4X4 with a 4.6L about 2 months ago. So far I am really
enjoying the truck, but it seems to be a little down on power-at least in
the lower RPM's. The new overhead cam motors are very smooth but lack the
low end torque of the old pushrod motors.
I have been thinking about adding some aftermarket parts to pep it up a
little but I don't want to void the warranty or make it loud. I have
considered things like the B&M electronic shift enhancer "shift plus", a K&N
air filter, underdrive pulleys, changing rear ratio from 3.55 to 3.73 or
4.10, etc. Has anyone made any similar changes to their 4.6, and how are
you pleased with the results?

Regards,
Mike Sutton
mike.sutton gsc.gte.com
(919) 549-1215
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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 10:48:15 -0500
From: "Mike Fairleigh"
Subject: FTE 97up - 98 F-150 Door lock rattle

My '98 F-150 4x2 SC is now approaching 8 months old, & 7,500 miles, and I
absolutely love it so far. The only problem is that the driver's side door
lock plunger (the 'button' that pops up and down) rattles slightly in its
housing (grommet?) when in the locked position. It's very slight, but it's
one of those rattles that goes on almost all the time, and is *just* loud
enough to drive you crazy. If I just barely touch the top of it with my
fingertip, the rattle stops.

Does anyone know what might be causing this, or how tricky it is to get the
door panels off to fix? I'm concerned about letting a dealer try to fix it,
for fear that they'll either scrape paint off the inside of the door along
the jamb (prying on the panel) or they'll create other rattles in the
process - I've heard that these doors are pretty complicated.

Mike Fairleigh
mikef sky.net


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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 09:03:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Pat & Anna
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Time to VIN

On Fri, 24 Jul 1998, Union Auto wrote:

>Allocations are based on sales...

Great post, thank-you! The first honest answer we have received
regarding this issue so it is much appreciated.

Not very fair to the dealers or to the uninformed customer, but there
is probably no way to be fair to everyone. Is there any way for a
customer to determine allocation information? Does a dealer have a way
of determining a realistic delivery schedule?

In other words, if a dealer estimates 6-8 weeks and it takes 6 months,
was the dealer just plain lying?

Thanks,

Pat

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 12:17:01 -0400
From: Chad Royse
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - lethargic 4.6

Actually the torque curves are pretty low for the Triton series. My oppinion is
you're just feeling the effects of a fairly small V-8, 3.55 gears, and the extra load
of a 4x4. If I did anything, I would do the gear ratio change.

Chad

Sutton, Mike wrote:
>
> I bought a 98 F150 4X4 with a 4.6L about 2 months ago. So far I am really
> enjoying the truck, but it seems to be a little down on power-at least in
> the lower RPM's. The new overhead cam motors are very smooth but lack the
> low end torque of the old pushrod motors.
> I have been thinking about adding some aftermarket parts to pep it up a
> little but I don't want to void the warranty or make it loud. I have
> considered things like the B&M electronic shift enhancer "shift plus", a K&N
> air filter, underdrive pulleys, changing rear ratio from 3.55 to 3.73 or
> 4.10, etc. Has anyone made any similar changes to their 4.6, and how are
> you pleased with the results?
>
> Regards,
> Mike Sutton
> mike.sutton gsc.gte.com
> (919) 549-1215
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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 12:03:28 -0500
From: Steven_Bonds dell.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - 98 F-150 Door lock rattle

It is very easy to get the panels off.
Take off the sail panels, the small triangle shape panel at the top front
and the long panel at the rear of the door.
Then there will be either a screw or a easy pop fastener under those sail
panels. Remove those then remove the round cover behind the door release
handle. There is a bolt (5/16 I think) loosen that just enough so that the
handle comes off.
If you have manual windows remove the screw from the handle and use a window
crank tool to remove that. Then lift the panel up and off.
If it has power windows just lift up the panel and carefully disconnect the
wiring.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Fairleigh [SMTP:mikef sky.net]
> Sent: Friday, July 24, 1998 10:48 AM
> To: 97 & Up Ford Trucks Mailing List
> Subject: FTE 97up - 98 F-150 Door lock rattle
>
>
> Does anyone know what might be causing this, or how tricky it is to get
> the
> door panels off to fix?
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 13:56:18 -0400
From: "jmc.chartier"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - lethargic 4.6

Sutton, Mike wrote:

> I bought a 98 F150 4X4 with a 4.6L about 2 months ago. So far I am really
> enjoying the truck, but it seems to be a little down on power-at least in
> the lower RPM's. The new overhead cam motors are very smooth but lack the
> low end torque of the old pushrod motors.
> I have been thinking about adding some aftermarket parts to pep it up a
> little but I don't want to void the warranty or make it loud. I have
> considered things like the B&M electronic shift enhancer "shift plus", a K&N
> air filter, underdrive pulleys, changing rear ratio from 3.55 to 3.73 or
> 4.10, etc. Has anyone made any similar changes to their 4.6, and how are
> you pleased with the results?
>
> Regards,
> Mike Sutton
> mike.sutton gsc.gte.com
> (919) 549-1215
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Mike,
I have a 97 XLT 4x4 with 5 speed so I do not have the shift problem, but In
my quest to get more power I added a Superchips a K&N and a Borla Catback
exhaust. It changed the way the truck performs. If you go to 3.73 or 4.10's
you have to change both ends and that can get expensive if you have someone do
it for you and it will decrease your mpg. I am looking at a set of under drive
pulleys for my beast but I am concerned the output of the alternator will be too
low at idle. Does anybody have any first hand experience with the pulleys? JBA
and Headman makes headers for the 4.6L. There is a set of trick heads available
from SVO.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 13:39:38 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Time to VIN

The reason they do allocation this way is to make sure the "fair-weather"
truck dealers don't keep the dealers who normally sell trucks from getting
their fair share. In the same regard when it comes to hard to get cars,
most dealers who can't get trucks right now can get cars. Ford has been
telling every dealer that most will have a 4-6 month wait depending on that
dealers allocation. The dealer should know aprox. how long it will take.
And I find it hard to believe that they wouldn't be checking. If you are
trading think of how much your truck will depreciate in 6 months. When
things are time consuming to get, I make sure to set a time and miles limit
that the trade price will be good for because I'll lose money if I don't.
If your buying outright many dealers will tell you anything to get your
deposit and order.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.
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From: Pat & Anna
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, July 24, 1998 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Time to VIN



>Not very fair to the dealers or to the uninformed customer, but there
>is probably no way to be fair to everyone. Is there any way for a
>customer to determine allocation information? Does a dealer have a way
>of determining a realistic delivery schedule?
>
>In other words, if a dealer estimates 6-8 weeks and it takes 6 months,
>was the dealer just plain lying?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Pat
>
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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 16:40:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: pmorales primenet.com (Pat & Anna)
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Time to VIN

on Friday 24-07-98 13:39, Union Auto wrote:

>The reason they do allocation this way is to make sure the
>"fair-weather" truck dealers don't keep the dealers who normally
>sell trucks from getting their fair share.

Fair enough and, again, a very informative post. Thank-you, for your
honest and to-the-point posts.

Having you on this group is a great benefit to all of us!

Pat

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 22:55:25 EDT
From: DMonte4120 aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Billett grilles and muffler systems....


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