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In this issue:

FTE 97up - Spray in bed liners
Re: FTE 97up - 99 camper package certificate?
Re: FTE 97up - 99 camper package certificate?
Re: FTE 97up - 99 camper package certificate?
FTE 97up - Re: 99 camper certification
FTE 97up - Re: Spray in bed liners
FTE 97up - plant shut down
RE: FTE 97up - plant shut down
Re: FTE 97up - plant shut down
FTE 97up - 1999 Super Duty Chips.
FTE 97up - 1999 SD week 28 Availability
Re: FTE 97up - 1999 Super Duty Chips.
FTE 97up - Re; Towing
FTE 97up - SUPER CHIPS
Re: FTE 97up - spray in bed liners - hot vs. cold technology?
FTE 97up - Newbie question
Re: FTE 97up - Re: 99 camper certification
FTE 97up - 99 PSD Low Fuel Light
Re: FTE 97up - SUPER CHIPS
FTE 97up - I finally did it!

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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:35:49 -0400
From: Charles Hosier
Subject: FTE 97up - Spray in bed liners

To all those inquiring about spray in bed liners........if you can
afford it, absolutely the only way to go. I used line-x and am very
pleased with the results. Cost me $360, but I don't think molded liners
can hold a candle to this process. No rattles, no moisture under the
liner and if you gouge it badly, just take it back and they can spray
over the bad spot......good as new. It looks outstanding and in my
opinion acts as a good sound deadening material. Also has lifetime
warranty.

Chuck Hosier

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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:21:01 -0500
From: Mike Korzeniowski
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 camper package certificate?

You're not the only one. I looked for it. My 99 F250 CC came with the
camper package and has a certificate. It is a separate sheet of paper
(8.5x11) and mine was stuffed under all the junk in the glove box.

Mike


> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:12:49 -0700
> From: johny
> Subject: FTE 97up - 99 camper package certificate?
>
> For those that got a 99 superduty w/ the camper package, did
> you get an associated certificate with it? The brochure
> implies that one is included.
>
> I know the 97, and 98 LD trucks have them. My dealer is trying to
> verify if these certificates even exist on the 99 superduties, but both
> of us are starting to beliving they do not exist. He has a call into ford,
> and has looked at all the 99 owner's manual packets with no success.
>
> I have, apparently, been the only one in all his years, anal-retentive
> enough to even ask about the silly thing. :-).
>
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:21:01 -0500
From: Mike Korzeniowski
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 camper package certificate?

You're not the only one. I looked for it. My 99 F250 CC came with the
camper package and has a certificate. It is a separate sheet of paper
(8.5x11) and mine was stuffed under all the junk in the glove box.

Mike


> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:12:49 -0700
> From: johny
> Subject: FTE 97up - 99 camper package certificate?
>
> For those that got a 99 superduty w/ the camper package, did
> you get an associated certificate with it? The brochure
> implies that one is included.
>
> I know the 97, and 98 LD trucks have them. My dealer is trying to
> verify if these certificates even exist on the 99 superduties, but both
> of us are starting to beliving they do not exist. He has a call into ford,
> and has looked at all the 99 owner's manual packets with no success.
>
> I have, apparently, been the only one in all his years, anal-retentive
> enough to even ask about the silly thing. :-).
>
> - -john
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:22:43 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 camper package certificate?

All Super Duties should come with a sheet of paper in the glove box that
says if your truck is approved for slide in campers. It should be in the
glove box.

Nathan

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From: johny
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, July 16, 1998 6:24 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - 99 camper package certificate?


>For those that got a 99 superduty w/ the camper package, did
>you get an associated certificate with it? The brochure
>implies that one is included.
>
>I know the 97, and 98 LD trucks have them. My dealer is trying to
>verify if these certificates even exist on the 99 superduties, but both
>of us are starting to beliving they do not exist. He has a call into ford,
>and has looked at all the 99 owner's manual packets with no success.
>
>I have, apparently, been the only one in all his years, anal-retentive
>enough to even ask about the silly thing. :-).
>
>-john
>
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:31:43 -0700
From: "Harald"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: 99 camper certification

>
>Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:12:49 -0700
>From: johny
>Subject: FTE 97up - 99 camper package certificate?
>
>For those that got a 99 superduty w/ the camper package, did
>you get an associated certificate with it? The brochure
>implies that one is included.
>
>I know the 97, and 98 LD trucks have them. My dealer is trying to
>verify if these certificates even exist on the 99 superduties, but both
>of us are starting to beliving they do not exist. He has a call into ford,
>and has looked at all the 99 owner's manual packets with no success.
>
>I have, apparently, been the only one in all his years, anal-retentive
>enough to even ask about the silly thing. :-).
>
>- -john
>
>

The camper certification was in the glove box of my 99 F350 when I picked it
up from the dealer last week. I ordered the camper package option of
course. It is kinda silly actually, because the rating they give seems
really conservative. I have the SRW,ESOF,V10,XLT,long bed truck and the
rating for it is 2595 lbs. I plan on weighing my truck empty (no camper
installed, but full gas and normal passenger load) and calculating actual
camper payload based on that. The truck GVWR is 9900 lbs.

Harald

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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:41:16 -0700
From: "Harald"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Spray in bed liners

I looked at both the Line-X and Rhino for my 99 F350 and decided on the
Rhino. The line-x was a little more, but I understand that they would match
Rhino's pricing. Both appear to be good products, but the Rhino is sprayed
on thicker and feels like it's "stickier" so gear won't slide around as
much. Also, the Rhino seems like it would be more flexible when the bed
gets dented and not peel off. Rhino will guarantee their lining to original
owner, so any gouges you get will be fixed at no cost. Looks great on my
truck.

Harald

>
>Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 20:52:15 EDT
>From: John941 aol.com
>Subject: Re: FTE 97up - spray in bed liners - hot vs. cold technology?
>
>I used Line X in my new 99 PSD and think it is great. I don't know whether
it
>is a cold or hot spray. I live in the heat of South Florida and have
loaded
>kitchen equip and a lot of heavy coolers(several hundred lbs) and just
shoved
>them back into the bed. No scratches or marks and the black liner has to
be
>140 degress in the sun. It was a little over $400 with tax but I think it
is
>worth it-the bed does not hold water either.
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>Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:24:01 -0400
>From: Mark Kuziv
>Subject: Re: FTE 97up - spray in bed liners - hot vs. cold technology?
>
>John941 aol.com wrote:
>>
>> I used Line X in my new 99 PSD and think it is great. I don't know
whether it
>> is a cold or hot spray. I live in the heat of South Florida and have
loaded
>> kitchen equip and a lot of heavy coolers(several hundred lbs) and just
shoved
>> them back into the bed. No scratches or marks and the black liner has to
be
>> 140 degress in the sun. It was a little over $400 with tax but I think it
is
>> worth it-the bed does not hold water either.
>> John
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>Definatley a HOT SPRAY it dries very quickly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:20:57 -0400
From: Claude King
Subject: FTE 97up - plant shut down

Anybody know what they do when they shut down for those two weeks? Nathan?

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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:06:54 -0400
From: "Engineering Co-op2, Network (NECOOP2)"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - plant shut down

I beleive they shut down every summer for the two hottest weeks of the
summer. They also take care of maintenance in the plant, and on equipment
during the break.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Claude King [SMTP:Claude-King worldnet.att.net]
> Sent: Friday, July 17, 1998 1:21 PM
> To: '97up-list ford-trucks.com'
> Subject: FTE 97up - plant shut down
>
> Anybody know what they do when they shut down for those two weeks? Nathan?
>
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:36:16 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - plant shut down

It is mostly just a time for vacations. If the vehicle is getting a major
redesign I think (not sure though) that they redo the line during the
shutdown.

On a side note- I said yesterday that only F-450 and F-550 would get built
(thats what the report I got said), but apparently they had a few other
trucks because I got a F250 S/C Diesel, and a 5.4L R/C scheduled, so if you
have an order in it could have been picked up last night.

Nathan

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From: Claude King
To: '97up-list ford-trucks.com'
Date: Friday, July 17, 1998 12:34 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - plant shut down


>Anybody know what they do when they shut down for those two weeks? Nathan?
>
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:04:31 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: FTE 97up - 1999 Super Duty Chips.

Does anyone know of any Chips available for 1999 Power Strokes? I talked to
Superchips and they have theirs available, but it still leaves the 93 MPH
speed limiter. If anyone hears of any Performance products let me know.

Thanks!

Nathan


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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:10:35 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: FTE 97up - 1999 SD week 28 Availability

Just got an updated list on availability. All lines are the same as
yesterday except Super Duty.

all that is schedulable for the week is SRW F-250/350 7.3L 4x2 or 4x4. Also
available is Diesel 450/550 cab and Chassis.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.


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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:27:33 -0400
From: "jmc.chartier"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 1999 Super Duty Chips.

Union Auto wrote:

> Does anyone know of any Chips available for 1999 Power Strokes? I talked to
> Superchips and they have theirs available, but it still leaves the 93 MPH
> speed limiter. If anyone hears of any Performance products let me know.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Nathan
>
> Nathan,

Try Mike Troyer at Performance Products Inc. 1-540-997-1306 He is the
National Distributor for Superchips. I had one made for my 97 F-150. The speed
limiter was removed and the rev limiter was bumped up to 6500rpm. And I got a
discount to boot.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier


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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:04:06 -0700
From: "Alan Wilson"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re; Towing

At 05:23 PM 7/17/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Jonathan,
> My experiences dictated that I use a larger radiator, HD hitch,
>plus check your brakes for optimum performance, be sure to have trailer
>brakes, a definite, must have, is trailer brakes. ...On one trip towing a 3.5-4
> thousand pound trailer, which had no
>trailer brakes, there was a near disaster. A BMW cut me off in traffic and
>stopped in front of me. I was able to stop only by sheer luck.
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This may be a dumb question but what are Trailer Brakes and how much do they
cost?
Alan Wilson


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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:31:57 -0700
From: mikes53 juno.com (MICHAEL P SCHAFFER)
Subject: FTE 97up - SUPER CHIPS

Would like some advice on which chip would provide the best possible
overall performance and reliability for the F-150 4.6L automatic trans.
with the trailer towing package? We plan on using the truck to tow a
fifth wheel. Any help would be appreciated.

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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:27:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: pmorales primenet.com (Pat & Anna)
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - spray in bed liners - hot vs. cold technology?

on Thu 16-07-98 15:36, johny wrote:

>Any comments or pointers to the latest spray in technology?
>How different are they?
>
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.diamondliners.com/
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.rhinolinings.com/
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.bullhide.com/

It's tough to pick a spray in lining because the materials and
processes vary quite a bit. In addition to the above list, you can
add:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.line-x.com The original hot spray, I believe
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.armacoatings.com Also a hot spray
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.speedliner.com A REAL TOUGH cold spray, with Kevlar
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.spi.com Unique cold spray

All have their supporters and availability varies GREATLY. We've been
trying to make the same decision ourselves and are leaning toward
Line-X for availability (Sourthern CA) and customer services reasons.
We had not heard of Diamond Liners, however.

All above will send brochures and samples upon request.

My suggestion, go to each location of interest and see the results.
Not just the material, but the experience of the installers. This is
a BIG investment to screw up!

Pat

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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 21:35:47 4
From: "Vaughn"
Subject: FTE 97up - Newbie question

Hi,

I'm new to this list.
I've spent the last year or so on the Dodge Ram
list. But I'm thinking of trading my 95 Ram 4x4
in on a 99 Ford Superduty Club Cab SB 4x4.
I'd like your honest opinions on the new
Super Duty. Since it a new design, are there
any problems that I should know about??
I know the Ram and its problems like the back of
my hand, but nothing about the new SD.
I figure there is probably not much info as of
yet on these trucks, because they are still new,
but would appreciate any and all info you could
supply on the reliability, etc. on this truck.

P.S.
Sorry for mentioning the "D" word... LOL!!

Thanks
Vaughn
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:01:27 -0700
From: WiNk
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: 99 camper certification

The book says that my truck can handle 7,000. Then another books says 7,000
with a 3.78 rear end. Then on the rear bumper, imbedded in the black plastic
are the words "do not exceed 5,000 lbs ) I have the factory towing package. So
I guess that my vehicle is only good for 5K trailer towing with a 3.55 rear end
I would guess. This vehicle has about 5 different towing specs out there and
I,m not certain to this day which of them is correct for the vehcile that I
have.


I am leaning toward the wieight load imbedded in the plastic that is one the
read bumper over the receiver which is 5,000lbs





Harald wrote:

> >
> >Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:12:49 -0700
> >From: johny
> >Subject: FTE 97up - 99 camper package certificate?
> >
> >For those that got a 99 superduty w/ the camper package, did
> >you get an associated certificate with it? The brochure
> >implies that one is included.
> >
> >I know the 97, and 98 LD trucks have them. My dealer is trying to
> >verify if these certificates even exist on the 99 superduties, but both
> >of us are starting to beliving they do not exist. He has a call into ford,
> >and has looked at all the 99 owner's manual packets with no success.
> >
> >I have, apparently, been the only one in all his years, anal-retentive
> >enough to even ask about the silly thing. :-).
> >
> >- -john
> >
> >
>
> The camper certification was in the glove box of my 99 F350 when I picked it
> up from the dealer last week. I ordered the camper package option of
> course. It is kinda silly actually, because the rating they give seems
> really conservative. I have the SRW,ESOF,V10,XLT,long bed truck and the
> rating for it is 2595 lbs. I plan on weighing my truck empty (no camper
> installed, but full gas and normal passenger load) and calculating actual
> camper payload based on that. The truck GVWR is 9900 lbs.
>
> Harald
>
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:39:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steven Baker
Subject: FTE 97up - 99 PSD Low Fuel Light

I have a 1999 PSD F250 with the 38 gallon fuel tank (according to
sticker). Tonight for the first time, I saw the low fuel light come on
as I got closer to E. I was pushing it on purpose, being curious at
what point it would come on.

I stopped and refueled and couldn't get more than 30 gallons into the
tank. Is this where the low fuel light is supposed to come on? I
thought it would be much lower, say at around 34 or 35.

By the way, I do not haul or pull anything and in the 2000 miles I
have owned this truck I have seen the milage creep up from around 15,
to just over 17 MPG with a mixture of highway and in-town driving,
including idle time while my wife soaks up AC when I run in somewhere.

I hope it keeps on getting better!

Steve





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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 01:07:08 -0400
From: "jmc.chartier"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - SUPER CHIPS

MICHAEL P SCHAFFER wrote:

> Would like some advice on which chip would provide the best possible
> overall performance and reliability for the F-150 4.6L automatic trans.
> with the trailer towing package? We plan on using the truck to tow a
> fifth wheel. Any help would be appreciated.
>
> _____________________________________________________________________
>

Michael,

I do not have an automatic but my 97 is a 4.6L. I tried a Jet chip but
it would not go any faster than 97 mph, same as stock. I also like to play
in the sand dunes and I found that climbing the hills would push the rpm to
the 5500 limit and bump against it. Superchips programmed a chip that not
only removed the top speed limiter but moved the revlimiter to 6500 rpm. I
have no dyno figures to back me up but the Superchips seems to have more
power at midrange over the Jet. At the time of my superchips purchase
Hyperetech had no chip available but since then have one that would only
increase the speed limit 5-10mph and would not increase the revlimiter.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier


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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 00:22:05 -0600
From: "Randy Kindler"
Subject: FTE 97up - I finally did it!

After several weeks of shopping for the right deal, I finally broke down and
did it. This morning, I picked up my new '98 F150 SC 4X4. It has the 5.4,
Off Road package, CD changer, towing package, LS rear axle. The only things
I wanted that it doesn't have is Captains chairs, and remote keyless entry.....


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