97up-list-digest Friday, July 17 1998 Volume 01 : Number 154



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In this issue:

FTE 97up - Re: Tire Pressure Towing
FTE 97up - Re: Removing CAT From 99 PSD
FTE 97up - 8 quarts low ok for engine?
Re: FTE 97up - 8 quarts low ok for engine?
FTE 97up - Re:8 quarts low ok for engine?
FTE 97up - Re: FTE Small - More '98 Ranger info
FTE 97up - old but new
Re: FTE 97up - Re:8 quarts low ok for engine?
FTE 97up - Week 28 Commodity information
FTE 97up - '98 F-150 - Headlight switch illuminated?
FTE 97up - spray in bed liners - hot vs. cold technology?
FTE 97up - 99 camper package certificate?
Re: FTE 97up - Re: FTE Small - More '98 Ranger info
Re: FTE 97up - spray in bed liners - hot vs. cold technology?
Re: FTE 97up - spray in bed liners - hot vs. cold technology?
Re: FTE 97up - '98 F-150 - Headlight switch illuminated?

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:33:17 EDT
From: JDavis1277 aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Tire Pressure Towing

John,

The correct towing tire pressure is the max cold inflation pressure indicated
on the sidewall of the tires.

You cant go wrong with that pressure. There are more precise pressures you
can use, but that involves weighing the truck, hooked up to the trailer with
both loaded for travel, weighing each akle, and visiting a sales outlet for
the tire manufacturer and checking a chart.

Avoid the hassle and go with sidewall pressure. The ride may be a little
harsh but you will be safe and maybe save a little fuel.

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:43:14 EDT
From: JDavis1277 aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Removing CAT From 99 PSD

No offense, but why remove the CAT? The guy who claims a 3 MPG improvement by
removing the CAT is selling woof tickets. It won't happen. With diesels E=E,
or fuel burned = horsepower delivered. If you burn less fuel at a constant
speed you are carrying less load. If load and speed are constant, fuel
consumption is constant. I betcha Ford didn't add that intercooler just to
choke breathing down on the discharge side. IMHO, of course:=)

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:51:19 -0500
From: daryl.rue juno.com
Subject: FTE 97up - 8 quarts low ok for engine?

Here is the latest....

The Ford Technical Hotline tells the service cooridinator at our local
for dealer that there is no engine damage to a diesel when it only has 6
quarts. As long as the engine will crank over, there is enough oil in
the lower resevoir to maintain proper lubrication there. The upper
resivoir, where the fuel injector o-rings are(which they had to replace)
is where the oil was not. I am a little fussy on what goes on in the
upper resivoir. This also coincides with what the diesel mechanic at the
dealer believes.

Anyway the ford hotline tech claimed the above and called it the fail
safe system.

Makes sense?

Daryl, Omaha Nebraska.

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:00:27 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 8 quarts low ok for engine?

The Injection system will loose oil before the lubrication oil system does
so the engine will die if you are too low on oil. The Power Stroke holds 17
quart of oil so you still had 9 in the engine. When you change the oil it
only takes 14 quart because three quart are trapped in the engine and in the
HEUI system.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

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From: daryl.rue juno.com
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, July 16, 1998 9:02 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - 8 quarts low ok for engine?


>Here is the latest....
>
>The Ford Technical Hotline tells the service cooridinator at our local
>for dealer that there is no engine damage to a diesel when it only has 6
>quarts. As long as the engine will crank over, there is enough oil in
>the lower resevoir to maintain proper lubrication there. The upper
>resivoir, where the fuel injector o-rings are(which they had to replace)
>is where the oil was not. I am a little fussy on what goes on in the
>upper resivoir. This also coincides with what the diesel mechanic at the
>dealer believes.
>
> Anyway the ford hotline tech claimed the above and called it the fail
>safe system.
>
>Makes sense?
>
>Daryl, Omaha Nebraska.


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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:23:00 -0500
From: daryl.rue juno.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Re:8 quarts low ok for engine?

So I should be satisfied that they solved the oil burning problem and not
be concerned about any other damage?

Daryl, Omaha Nebraska


On Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:00:27 -0500 "Union Auto"
writes:
>The Injection system will loose oil before the lubrication oil system
>does
>so the engine will die if you are too low on oil. The Power Stroke
>holds 17
>quart of oil so you still had 9 in the engine. When you change the
>oil it
>only takes 14 quart because three quart are trapped in the engine and
>in the
>HEUI system.
>
>Nathan Bernard
>Union Auto, Inc.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: daryl.rue juno.com
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Date: Thursday, July 16, 1998 9:02 AM
>Subject: FTE 97up - 8 quarts low ok for engine?
>
>
>>Here is the latest....
>>
>>The Ford Technical Hotline tells the service cooridinator at our
>local
>>for dealer that there is no engine damage to a diesel when it only
>has 6
>>quarts. As long as the engine will crank over, there is enough oil
>in
>>the lower resevoir to maintain proper lubrication there. The upper
>>resivoir, where the fuel injector o-rings are(which they had to
>replace)
>>is where the oil was not. I am a little fussy on what goes on in the
>>upper resivoir. This also coincides with what the diesel mechanic at
>the
>>dealer believes.
>>
>> Anyway the ford hotline tech claimed the above and called it the
>fail
>>safe system.
>>
>>Makes sense?
>>
>>Daryl, Omaha Nebraska.
>
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:23:03 -0700
From: "Alan Wilson"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: FTE Small - More '98 Ranger info

At 08:44 AM 7/16/98 -0700, you wrote:

>3)To those who asked about the Penda Liner, they have a non-slip
>substsance impregnated, but it is still more slippery than a spray-in
>liner. The plastic liner should meet my needs here on the west coast
>fine. The dealer told me I can take it out every 6 mos or so and hose
>out the bed so the dust won't build-up underneath and scratch the
>paint; sounded like a good tip, since these things take about 5 min to
>remove.. I got the over-rail style, and they say its guaranteed not to
>warp....The Ford brand liner is made by DuraLiner, is the same price
>($179 in So. Calif) and they told me it would probably warp, and thus
>will not guarantee against warpage (over the rail type only)... Just
>my 2 cents worth.
>
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Can someone give me the lowdown on these bed liners? I just bought my first
truck and am new to this new phenomenon.

What are bed liners for? Anything other than to protect the paint???

How much do they run for? And what the heck is an under-rail bedliner or a
spray on...

Please help this confused truck owner.

Thanks.
Alan Wilson


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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:54:35 -0600 (MDT)
From: montblackburn webtv.net (mont blackburn)
Subject: FTE 97up - old but new

I'm 70 years old but I bought a 99 hd 250 with the powerstroke quad cab
six speed inApril . I haven't owned a Ford since the'60s . I had a 92
Dodgewith the Cummins . Loved the motor but the transmission was junk.
It went out on me at 35000 and again at 90000 and still might have gone
back for another dose but the price difference just didn't add up to me.
I worked too hard for my money to just throw it away for a pretty face.
Up here in Wyoming the Dodge and Ford dealerships are combined or I
might not have looked into the "other brand"/ The dealer made me an
offer that was in the ballpark right away. I liked that window style.
For the first time in myt life I have people coming up to me when I stop
some place wanting to know how i like it. I tell them come back in
another 100,000 miles and I"ll tell you. So far it's been good to feed
hay to cows inthe granny gear and goes so damn fast on the highway that
I have to keep the cruise control on so I don't get my first speeding
ticket in 20 yearss(Not since I ran my Autocar too fast in Canada)
How about it--any problems showing up in these 99 six speeds?

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:33:15 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re:8 quarts low ok for engine?

You should be OK. The Power Stroke is nice because it will die (quit firing
injectors) before the oil pressure in the block gets low and does bearing
damage.

Nathan

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From: daryl.rue juno.com
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, July 16, 1998 10:35 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Re:8 quarts low ok for engine?


>So I should be satisfied that they solved the oil burning problem and not
>be concerned about any other damage?
>
>Daryl, Omaha Nebraska


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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:10:05 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: FTE 97up - Week 28 Commodity information

This week is kind of strange due to the plant shutdowns for the past two
weeks.

1999 F-150/F-250 LD- only 4.2L available, scheduling will resume week 30
1999 Windstar- none available, scheduling will resume week 30
1999 Ranger- none available, scheduling will resume week 30
1999 Super Duty- All thats left is DRW F-450 or F-550 with Power Stroke and
automatic
1999 Expedition- scheduling will resume week 32

1998 Explorer- 4.0L V-6 50% V-8 50%


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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:08:50 -0500
From: "Mike Fairleigh"
Subject: FTE 97up - '98 F-150 - Headlight switch illuminated?

One of the things I really like about the truck is the design of the
interior controls, especially the fact that they're all illuminated. Except
for one, that is: the headlight switch. The 3 positions of the switch are
illuminated, but the switch itself isn't. I find that at times, under
unusual lighting conditions (where it isn't obvious from looking ahead
whether my headlights are on) I have to turn on the dome light or wait until
I go under a street light to tell what position I have the switch set to.

Are they all like this? Thanks.

Mike Fairleigh
mikef sky.net


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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:36:31 -0700
From: johny
Subject: FTE 97up - spray in bed liners - hot vs. cold technology?

I've been starting to look into spray in bed liners.

In the San Jose Ca, area, I've found 2 outfits.

Rhino which is a cold application and according to the
competition is 60's technology.

The other location is a place called Diamond Liners in
Gilroy Ca, and they have a hot spray application at
140-160 degrees. Supposedly, the Diamond Liner product
is harder and more durable than the Rhino spray in liner.

Price wise, they are within a few bucks of each other.
I've seen work done by each outfit, and both look like
quality jobs.

Any comments or pointers to the latest spray in technology?
How different are they?

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.diamondliners.com/
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.rhinolinings.com/
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.bullhide.com/

For what it's worth, Diamond liners is booked until the end of the month.
Rhino has a much more *open* schedule.

thanks,
- -john

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:12:49 -0700
From: johny
Subject: FTE 97up - 99 camper package certificate?

For those that got a 99 superduty w/ the camper package, did
you get an associated certificate with it? The brochure
implies that one is included.

I know the 97, and 98 LD trucks have them. My dealer is trying to
verify if these certificates even exist on the 99 superduties, but both
of us are starting to beliving they do not exist. He has a call into ford,
and has looked at all the 99 owner's manual packets with no success.

I have, apparently, been the only one in all his years, anal-retentive
enough to even ask about the silly thing. :-).

- -john


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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 20:19:11 -0400
From: Mark Kuziv
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: FTE Small - More '98 Ranger info

Alan Wilson wrote:
>
> At 08:44 AM 7/16/98 -0700, you wrote:
>
> >3)To those who asked about the Penda Liner, they have a non-slip
> >substsance impregnated, but it is still more slippery than a spray-in
> >liner. The plastic liner should meet my needs here on the west coast
> >fine. The dealer told me I can take it out every 6 mos or so and hose
> >out the bed so the dust won't build-up underneath and scratch the
> >paint; sounded like a good tip, since these things take about 5 min to
> >remove.. I got the over-rail style, and they say its guaranteed not to
> >warp....The Ford brand liner is made by DuraLiner, is the same price
> >($179 in So. Calif) and they told me it would probably warp, and thus
> >will not guarantee against warpage (over the rail type only)... Just
> >my 2 cents worth.
> >
> -----
>
> Can someone give me the lowdown on these bed liners? I just bought my first
> truck and am new to this new phenomenon.
>
> What are bed liners for? Anything other than to protect the paint???
>
> How much do they run for? And what the heck is an under-rail bedliner or a
> spray on...
>
> Please help this confused truck owner.
>
> Thanks.
> Alan Wilson
>
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Go with Linex Spray in bed liner.It is more expensive but has a great
look and guarantee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Central Florida Listeners Group
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 20:52:15 EDT
From: John941 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - spray in bed liners - hot vs. cold technology?

I used Line X in my new 99 PSD and think it is great. I don't know whether it
is a cold or hot spray. I live in the heat of South Florida and have loaded
kitchen equip and a lot of heavy coolers(several hundred lbs) and just shoved
them back into the bed. No scratches or marks and the black liner has to be
140 degress in the sun. It was a little over $400 with tax but I think it is
worth it-the bed does not hold water either.
John
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:24:01 -0400
From: Mark Kuziv
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - spray in bed liners - hot vs. cold technology?

John941 aol.com wrote:
>
> I used Line X in my new 99 PSD and think it is great. I don't know whether it
> is a cold or hot spray. I live in the heat of South Florida and have loaded
> kitchen equip and a lot of heavy coolers(several hundred lbs) and just shoved
> them back into the bed. No scratches or marks and the black liner has to be
> 140 degress in the sun. It was a little over $400 with tax but I think it is
> worth it-the bed does not hold water either.
> John
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Definatley a HOT SPRAY it dries very quickly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 00:19:19 -0400
From: "jmc.chartier"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - '98 F-150 - Headlight switch illuminated?

Mike Fairleigh wrote:

> One of the things I really like about the truck is the design of the
> interior controls, especially the fact that they're all illuminated. Except
> for one, that is: the headlight switch. The 3 positions of the switch are
> illuminated, but the switch itself isn't. I find that at times, under
> unusual lighting conditions (where it isn't obvious from looking ahead
> whether my headlights are on) I have to turn on the dome light or wait until
> I go under a street light to tell what position I have the switch set to.
>
> Are they all like this? Thanks.
>
> Mike Fairleigh....


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