97up-list-digest Wednesday, July 15 1998 Volume 01 : Number 151



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - 1999 Super Duty
FTE 97up - Questions about gas tank, tow package, anti-theft system, CD chan ger
FTE 97up - FOR SALE
FTE 97up - Towing Speed???
Re: FTE 97up - Towing Speed???
Re: FTE 97up - Towing Speed???
Re: FTE 97up - Towing Speed???
Re: FTE 97up - Towing Speed???
Re: FTE 97up - Towing Speed???
Re: FTE 97up - Towing Speed???
FTE 97up - Computer is finally working
Re: FTE 97up - Super Duty Leather on Lariat
Re: FTE 97up - On Net Info Of Dealer Costs & The Accuracy Thereof
Re: FTE 97up - Computer is finally working
Re: FTE 97up - Towing Speed???
Re: FTE 97up - FOR SALE
RE: FTE 97up - F-250 vs F-350
Re: FTE 97up - 97 F-150 Spare Tire
> RE: FTE 97up - F-250 vs F-350
FTE 97up - Re: F-250 vs F-350
Re: FTE 97up - F-250 vs F-350
FTE 97up - Cat removal on 99 Superduty???
Re: FTE 97up - FOR SALE
FTE 97up - ExtraCare vs PremiumCare Warranties
Re: FTE 97up - Cat removal on 99 Superduty???

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 07:06:11 EDT
From: John941 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 1999 Super Duty

The power mirrors do fold in
John
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:47:38 -0400
From: Doug Moore
Subject: FTE 97up - Questions about gas tank, tow package, anti-theft system, CD chan ger

>2. TOW PACKAGE. When I ordered options XH9 (3.55 ratio limited
slip axle) >and 535 (trailer towing package), I was under the impression
that it came >with everything I needed to tow should I decide to do that.
However, a >friend looking at my truck said "where's the tow hitch on the
bumper?" All
>I see is an electrical outlet and a large square connector beneath
the > bumper which is where I thought the trailer ball attached. I thought
the >ball was supposed to come with the tow package. I guess not. How is
it >supposed to work?


If you get down and look up underneath, you'll see that that a receiver
*(and a nice one, in my opinion). This type of hitch is better that the
bumper hitch. The only thing missing is the ball and the ball mount, which
together shouldn't cost you $35 or less for a simple one. They can't
include this in the package because your needs will vary depending on what
you tow. Trailer heights vary, and there are at least 3 different ball
sizes in use to match various trailers. If you got a question go a good
trailer shop or hitch shop and most are happy to educate you. By if you
order a CLUB WAGON and the trailer towing package the receiver does not come
with it at all. Real pain and a good receiver (10,000 LBS) cost say 250+.
If you are net serf the web site I found is http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.hitch-web.com
Congratulations on your new truck.
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 98 9:16:48 CDT
From: "David Price"
Subject: FTE 97up - FOR SALE

1997 F150 XLT SuperCab SWB
White, Gray Interior, 16,000 miles
4.6L V8, Automatic, Sliding Rear window,
Captains Chairs, 6 Disc CD Player, Towing Package,
Side Rails, Bug Shield, Bed Mat, K&N Filter, SuperChip,
Borla Catback Dual Exhaust, Tinted Windows, OEM Alarm and Factory Floor
Mats.

This truck has a trade in value of $18,600.00...I'm asking $19,250.00

I might consider selling some of the items seperate.

Borla Exhaust: $200
SuperChip: $100
K&N: $35

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:43:36 -0500
From: JJ/Rae
Subject: FTE 97up - Towing Speed???

We will be towing the wife's car on a Tow Dolly and when I asked what
speed should we travel at I got the standard reply, don't go over 45
mph. this seems rather slow on interstate with a 75 mph speed limit.
Does anybody have any experience towing with a tow dolly and what would
a reasonable speed be on interstate.

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1997 F-250HD XLT Powerstroke Diesel 4x4, SC, SB, 5sp, 4.10,
285/75R16 BFG/MT's, K&N Filter, Lund bug deflector,
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:59:56 -0700
From: alanh galaxy.nsc.com (The Hepburn)
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Towing Speed???

> Does anybody have any experience towing with a tow dolly and what
> would a reasonable speed be on interstate.

"Reasonable" is such a subjective term...in California the legal
speed limit for trucks and autos with trailers is 55. That doesn't
mean that every single truck and auto with a trailer out there is
going 55 - and probably every state has their own version of this.

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:55:59 EDT
From: BlankfortJ aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Towing Speed???

Just drive as fast as you feel is safe. If it starts to wobble ... back
off... Otherwise hammer down!

John

In a message dated 7/14/98 9:01:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
alanh galaxy.nsc.com writes:

Does anybody have any experience towing with a tow dolly and what
> would a reasonable speed be on interstate.

"Reasonable" is such a subjective term...in California the legal
speed limit for trucks and autos with trailers is 55. That doesn't
mean that every single truck and auto with a trailer out there is
going 55 - and probably every state has their own version of this.
>>
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:42:06 -0700
From: WiNk
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Towing Speed???

Most states that I am familiar with restrict "trucks" and vehicles towing
trailers to 55 mph. Some states don't have any towing speeds indicated, in
which case I would think that if the trailing vehicle sways then it is a
reasonable reason to slow down to a lesser speed.

JJ/Rae wrote:

> We will be towing the wife's car on a Tow Dolly and when I asked what
> speed should we travel at I got the standard reply, don't go over 45
> mph. this seems rather slow on interstate with a 75 mph speed limit.
> Does anybody have any experience towing with a tow dolly and what would
> a reasonable speed be on interstate.
>
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> USAF Security Forces ICQ # 14108174
> 1997 F-250HD XLT Powerstroke Diesel 4x4, SC, SB, 5sp, 4.10,
> 285/75R16 BFG/MT's, K&N Filter, Lund bug deflector,
> http://www.ford-trucks.com/pictorial/big/1997_f250_1.html
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.talkcity.com/GasolineAlley/butwhy/index.html
>
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:47:29 -0700
From: WiNk
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Towing Speed???

Speed for me isn't the problem. I have more of a focus on "stopping"
distance at a given speed. I also have a question on how much weight an
F-150 can handle when the towed vehicle hasn't got any brakes on it.

Will a half ton have the same truck braking surface area as a 3/4 or 1 ton ?

Can a 1/2 ton handle a trailer load of 5,000 lbs without having any towed
vehicle brakes.

Will a 1/2 ton with a 5,000 lb towed trailer without brakes, be able to
keep the vehicle speed down to 20 or 30 mph on a 6%, 6 mile downgrade
without cooking the truck brakes?

Thanks for any info.

BlankfortJ aol.com wrote:

> Just drive as fast as you feel is safe. If it starts to wobble ... back
> off... Otherwise hammer down!
>
> John
>
> In a message dated 7/14/98 9:01:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> alanh galaxy.nsc.com writes:
>
> Does anybody have any experience towing with a tow dolly and what
> > would a reasonable speed be on interstate.
>
> "Reasonable" is such a subjective term...in California the legal
> speed limit for trucks and autos with trailers is 55. That doesn't
> mean that every single truck and auto with a trailer out there is
> going 55 - and probably every state has their own version of this.
> >>
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:07:40 -0700
From: alanh galaxy.nsc.com (The Hepburn)
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Towing Speed???

> Will a half ton have the same truck braking surface area as a 3/4 or 1 ton ?

Absolutely not! A typical 1/2 ton today is a funny-looking car. The
frame, suspension, and everything else has been designed to give a
smooth ride like a car. There are "heavy halfs" available, but I don't
think they do much to the brakes on them.

> Can a 1/2 ton handle a trailer load of 5,000 lbs without having any towed
> vehicle brakes.

Yes. Can it handle that load safely? Only if the driver is constantly
aware of his surroundings, and drives extremely conservatively. Double
your interval with traffic in front of you, and keep the speed down,
and level ground won't be a problem. Climbing grades will be a chore,
and descending the other side will be an adventure! Most jurisdictions
require trailer brakes on anything over 3,500 lb. and some go as low as
1,500 lb.

> Will a 1/2 ton with a 5,000 lb towed trailer without brakes, be able to
> keep the vehicle speed down to 20 or 30 mph on a 6%, 6 mile downgrade
> without cooking the truck brakes?

Not with the brakes themselves. If you've got a manual transmission, then
use the gears to keep the speed down. If it's an automatic, then you'll
lose some engine braking in the torque converter and speed will be a
problem.

If it were me, I'd rent a flatbed trailer with brakes and tow that, rather
than try to tow that much without brakes.

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:38:15 -0700
From: WiNk
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Towing Speed???

Thanks for confirming my thoughts. My thoughts were that there might be a slight
chance that I might have been able to do the deed with just truck brakes.

I concur with the responses to the questions posed concerning the towing dilema.
Thanks for the quick response.
WiNk


The Hepburn wrote:

> > Will a half ton have the same truck braking surface area as a 3/4 or 1 ton ?
>
> Absolutely not! A typical 1/2 ton today is a funny-looking car. The
> frame, suspension, and everything else has been designed to give a
> smooth ride like a car. There are "heavy halfs" available, but I don't
> think they do much to the brakes on them.
>
> > Can a 1/2 ton handle a trailer load of 5,000 lbs without having any towed
> > vehicle brakes.
>
> Yes. Can it handle that load safely? Only if the driver is constantly
> aware of his surroundings, and drives extremely conservatively. Double
> your interval with traffic in front of you, and keep the speed down,
> and level ground won't be a problem. Climbing grades will be a chore,
> and descending the other side will be an adventure! Most jurisdictions
> require trailer brakes on anything over 3,500 lb. and some go as low as
> 1,500 lb.
>
> > Will a 1/2 ton with a 5,000 lb towed trailer without brakes, be able to
> > keep the vehicle speed down to 20 or 30 mph on a 6%, 6 mile downgrade
> > without cooking the truck brakes?
>
> Not with the brakes themselves. If you've got a manual transmission, then
> use the gears to keep the speed down. If it's an automatic, then you'll
> lose some engine braking in the torque converter and speed will be a
> problem.
>
> If it were me, I'd rent a flatbed trailer with brakes and tow that, rather
> than try to tow that much without brakes.
>
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:37:18 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: FTE 97up - Computer is finally working

I am finally back. My modem got cooked in a lightening storm a few weeks
ago, and I found out how good my 24 hour service from Comp USA is (two weeks
= 24 hour service I don't think so) so I'll try to answer questions as soon
as I can.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.


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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:46:52 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Super Duty ....

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