97up-list-digest Friday, July 10 1998 Volume 01 : Number 145



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - 97 truck lug nut recall
Re: FTE 97up - 97 truck lug nut recall
FTE 97up - Re: Greetings
FTE 97up - On Net Info Of Dealer Costs & The Accuracy Thereof
FTE 97up - Product vs. service
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Greetings
Re: FTE 97up - Product vs. service
Re: FTE 97up - 97 truck lug nut recall
Re: FTE 97up - 97 truck lug nut recall
Re: FTE 97up - 97 truck lug nut recall
FTE 97up - delivery date - start to finish
FTE 97up - Rhino Lining experiences?
FTE 97up - net prices, employee prices
FTE 97up - Detecting Damage to your PSD

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Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 10:34:13 -0400
From: Chad Royse
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 97 truck lug nut recall

Actualy Paul wrote, "They said to tighted the nuts to 100 ft/lbs and then an
additional 1/8 to 1/4 turn."

WiNk wrote:

> Having spent about three years on torque procedures I can confidently say
> that I believe that Ford is way out in the outer limits when they specify a
> 1/8 to 1/4 inch increase in the nut travel to achieve a torque condition. I
> am certain that my colleagues would have a heart attack on that score too.

>

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Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 08:27:10 -0700
From: WiNk
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 97 truck lug nut recall

Thanks for the info. I noticed the error after the message hit the list. The
"turn" criteria makes the problem a greater problem. 360/4 = 90 degrees.

A torque wrench positioned at twelve o'clock would end up at 3 o'clock with a 1/4
turn added to the torque value. IMHO that is a lot of extra torque resulting in
the addtional force exceeding the studs modulus of elasticity. Or otherwise, a
stretched stud that will loosen with temperature changes because it would no
longer have the elasticity component that allows the stud to expand and contract
due to thermal changes, without becoming a loose fastener.

Depending on conditions it is possible to have a 100 lb torque value whithout
having the nut resting on any surface at all. This condition would be acquired
when galling of the threads took place. For the unwary, they would recognize the
torque without realizing that the fastener didn't make contact with any surface
whatsover to exerct a compression force against a contacting surface.

I have some great "reservations" about the TURN vs the inch additional increment
recommended to be applied to the nut. An eight "inch" additional nut travel could
make some sense, maybe a quarter inch would be aceptabe too, however a 1/4 turn
surely has to be excessive torque in my book.







Chad Royse wrote:

> Actualy Paul wrote, "They said to tighted the nuts to 100 ft/lbs and then an
> additional 1/8 to 1/4 turn."
>
> WiNk wrote:
>
> > Having spent about three years on torque procedures I can confidently say
> > that I believe that Ford is way out in the outer limits when they specify a
> > 1/8 to 1/4 inch increase in the nut travel to achieve a torque condition. I
> > am certain that my colleagues would have a heart attack on that score too.
>
> >
>
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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:39:02 EDT
From: Jakejmi aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Greetings

Greetings
Just signed on to the list, so I thought I would introduce myself.
My name is Jake and I own a '98 NASCAR Edition F-150 that replaced the '90 XLT
I wore out. By the way, the suspension on the new truck is so stiff, if I hit
a big bump, the idiot lights come on and the cruise kicks off .
Hope to speak with you all soon. Thank you.
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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 13:14:18 EDT
From: MRoadarDOJ aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - On Net Info Of Dealer Costs & The Accuracy Thereof

My experience when ordering my truck (F-350 Crew, V-10, Lariat) was that the
net prices were almost dead-on accurate. One dealer gave me a price that, so
I was told, was the same price that Ford employees were getting and that there
was no way I could do better elsewhere on a new F-350. I checked around and
40 minutes up the road was a dealer who gave me a price that was a little
over $1,700 better AND he freely gave me the costs that he was paying for the
truck. And they matched the net info almost perfectly. Care to guess who I'm
doing business with?
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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:48:00 -0700
From: "Jose A. Fernandez"
Subject: FTE 97up - Product vs. service

Which dealer do you go to for service?

I ask because my plan is to buy product from the dealer with the best
price and buy services from the service department with the best
performance. Those two organizations are not necessarily found
together.

So I am curious about you choose and manage your relationship(s) with
your dealer and your service department.

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From: MRoadarDOJ aol.com [SMTP:MRoadarDOJ aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 1998 10:14 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 97up - On Net Info Of Dealer Costs & The Accuracy Thereof

My experience when ordering my truck (F-350 Crew, V-10, Lariat) was
that the net prices were almost dead-on accurate. One dealer gave
me a price that, so I was told, was the same price that Ford
employees were getting and that there was no way I could do better
elsewhere on a new F-350. I checked around and 40 minutes up the
road was a dealer who gave me a price that was a little over $1,700
better AND he freely gave me the costs that he was paying for the
truck. And they matched the net info almost perfectly. Care to
guess who I'm doing business with?

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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 19:00:12 EDT
From: DAS1544 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Greetings

thanks my mane is deenis and i work ina for dealership that my parents own if
you need to know anything just let me know

dennis
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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 19:06:10 EDT
From: DAS1544 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Product vs. service

well i have bought all the trucks i have own from the dealership i work for of
course they are my parents but i have never seenthem give a bad deal to anyone
and one member from this page has come to us for serive and he lives a great
distance for us we pride our selves on good sales and service and we are the
only no fine print dealer in eastern north carolina.


Central ford is the place i work and you can find some info on www.ford.com


Dennis
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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 20:08:32 -0400
From: "Ann Mitchell"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 97 truck lug nut recall

OK, OK, so Ford says to tighten the lug nut to 100 ft-lbs then another 1/4
turn or so. Why, would anyone who had the capability to tighten a lug nut
to 100 ft-lbs then tighten them another 1/4 turn? Why not tighten them to
say 115 ft-lbs, or 120 ft-lbs, what's this 1/4 turn factor? Are the Ford
engineers idiots? Or maybe it's the PR folks missing a few cylinders. I'd
say there's something wrong with this picture. I'm an engineer and I don't
think that the public should be fooling around with a 1/4 turn. I've been....

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