97up-list-digest Wednesday, June 24 1998 Volume 01 : Number 128



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In this issue:

FTE 97up - More on Mach Stereo
FTE 97up - delivery date
Re: FTE 97up - delivery date
FTE 97up - 99 F250SD with 4R100 auto, no PTO
FTE 97up - Re: Ford Medium Duty Trucks
Re: FTE 97up - More on Mach Stereo
Re: FTE 97up - Voiding the warranty..
Re: FTE 97up - delivery date
Re: FTE 97up - 99 F250SD with 4R100 auto, no PTO
FTE 97up - Is 80.4" the real cab heigth for a F250 SD 4x4 supercab?
Re: FTE 97up - delivery date
FTE 97up - Ford Medium Duty Trucks
re: FTE 97up - Ford Medium Duty Trucks
Re: FTE 97up - Ford Medium Duty Trucks
Re: FTE 97up - Height of 1998 F150 4x4 Supercab SB
FTE 97up - 99 superduty - dual alternator package?
Re: FTE 97up - 99 superduty - dual alternator package?
FTE 97up - Re: F-150 Service Manual
Re: FTE 97up - delivery date
Re: FTE 97up - delivery date
Re: FTE 97up - More on Mach Stereo
FTE 97up - Steering Stabilizers, Cepek Vs Rancho
Re: FTE 97up - 99 F250SD with 4R100 auto, no PTO
FTE 97up - Steering Stabilizers, Cepek Vs Rancho/RTC REPLY
FTE 97up - yadda - yet another delivery date advisory
Re: FTE 97up - yadda - yet another delivery date advisory

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 98 7:46:18 -0400
From: psmith1 os.dhhs.gov
Subject: FTE 97up - More on Mach Stereo

Thanks for all the feedback, though I'm still a little confused. I HAVE
experienced an after market multi-amp, subwoofer system (I have a Kenwood
system in my '86 Ranger). I owned a '93 Taurus with the JBL system and was
reasonably pleased although it didn't hold a candle to my Kenwood system.
There is no question that an after market system would probably end up
being a better system overall than the Mach system--but for a price. Some
preliminary estimates for the after market equipment include receiver
($300-$400), amps(2 or 3 at $150-$250 each), speakers (lots of
possiblilities but at least $300-$400) and a CD changer ($300-$400). And
all this doesn't include installation costs (my time or an auto stereo
shop). Makes the Eddie Bauer Mach system sound reasonable, huh! My rough
calculations suggest the Mach system adds $1200-$1500 to the price of the
vehicle. (Most of the other Eddie Bauer options can be added to an XLT,
bringing the XLT to approx $1200 less than the Eddie Bauer.)

Nathan, is it possible to get an Eddie Bauer with no Mach system but have
all the wiring in place? I'm really not anxious to take apart a brand new
$35k truck to install such a system, especially if there is no speaker
wiring in place.

Thanks again. This discussion medium is the only way to go!! :)

Pierre

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 07:24:32 -0500
From: Janster
Subject: FTE 97up - delivery date

Hi folks,

I ordered a '99 F250 SD 4X4 on 1 May 98. The dealer told me it would be
about six months before delivery as it's a new model and the demand is
very high. As of today, I haven't been given an ETA from the dealer.
Does anybody know if there is a website, 1-800#, or some dealer-speak
that I can use to find out the ETA? Or am I relegated to waiting 5 1/2
months before knowing when it'll be delivered?

ETA challenged
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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 08:51:56 -0400
From: "John Fickett"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - delivery date

>I ordered a '99 F250 SD 4X4 on 1 May 98. The dealer told me
it would be
>about six months before delivery as it's a new model and
the demand is
>very high. As of today, I haven't been given an ETA from
the dealer.
>Does anybody know if there is a website, 1-800#, or some
dealer-speak
>that I can use to find out the ETA?>

I ordered a F350 SD Powerstroke the last part of May and
within days I had a delivery date of 6/22. I checked with
the dealer last night and the truck is about 200 miles away
and will be here today or tomorrow. You should not have to
wait weeks for a ship date. You are getting the runaround.

John in Maine - The way life *should* be.
RV Club - R-CHAR-00253, ICQ - 13024030


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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 07:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: STEVEN.BAKER roche.com
Subject: FTE 97up - 99 F250SD with 4R100 auto, no PTO

In regards to the transmission noise issue:

Is this being experienced right from the beginning?

I have a 99F250SD with the 4R100, no PTO (Powerstroke) that
is only a few days old with about 400 miles on it. I have not
noticed any noise from the transmission, but I am wondering
if the 'problem' (if there is indeed, a problem) shows up
after a few more miles.

Thanks,

Steve
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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 07:54:54 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Ford Medium Duty Trucks

I've read Ford articles that say "Watch for more Super Duty F-series models
in the spring of 1999". I've heard rumors that there is going to be a F-650
and F-750 available then. I would expect to see a standard Power Stroke
under the hood. The main reason for this is that any Ford dealership can do
maintenance on this engine whereas the Cummins used in the F-800 (and other
Navistar engines that could be) can't be worked on by most dealerships.
This is a major selling point for people that are going to use these trucks
over the road.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Randy Robb
To: fordtrucks97up ListService.net ; Union
Auto
Date: Monday, June 22, 1998 4:58 PM
Subject: Ford Medium Duty Trucks


>I just stopped at the Ford web site
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.fordvehicles.com/worktrucks/ and see the medium duty F-800 is
>now available. I must say I'm disappointed, no crew cab option, no air
>suspension, the baby Cummins ISB, and auto transmission only available
>in the light duty configuration. Is this what Ford's going to offer, or
>is there more to come? I was hoping to see the 250-300 HP Navistar or
>Cummins diesel, an Allison MD series transmission and the above
>mentioned features that would accentuate this model above the F-550 in
>power and performance.

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 08:01:24 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - More on Mach Stereo

I don't know if the wiring would be there or not on a Eddie Bauer. There is
a good chance of it. Ford has been trying to standardize wiring harnesses.
For example, if you want to add cruise or A/C to a F-150 the wiring is all
there and the add on kit uses all the same parts as the factory. When your
done you can't tell the difference from add on to factory.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

- -----Original Message-----
From: psmith1 os.dhhs.gov
To: 97up-list-digest ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, June 23, 1998 7:16 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - More on Mach Stereo
>
>Nathan, is it possible to get an Eddie Bauer with no Mach system but have
>all the wiring in place? I'm really not anxious to take apart a brand new
>$35k truck to install such a system, especially if there is no speaker
>wiring in place.
>
>Thanks again. This discussion medium is the only way to go!! :)
>
>Pierre


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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 08:13:17 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Voiding the warranty..

This is a touchy area. The way I understand, if you do something that
causes the problem it's not covered. If you don't affect what breaks it is
still covered. Remote starters to me would make it your responsibility if
you had a problem in the wiring harness where it was spliced from the remote
starter (I've seen it several times) where if it were the factory wiring
broken it would be warranty. To me a suspension lift kit would void your
warranty on differentials, and transfer case due to changing drive line
angles has a tendency to cause problems. This is such a gray area that I
would ask the dealer where your going to have repair work done at what they
consider the modification that you are doing.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

- -----Original Message-----
From: rw
To: 97up
Date: Saturday, June 20, 1998 6:11 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Voiding the warranty..


>I have heard in the past that someone did this or that to their vechicle
and
>that voided the warranty. Where does one find it? Didn't see it in the
>owners manual. And is there a rescource somewhere that lists these? I was
>thinking of adding a remote start or maybe lifting my truck up a bit. Does
>anyone know if these will void the warranty?
>
>
>
>Thanks


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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 09:14:19 EDT
From: John941 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - delivery date

A 5 1/2 month wait is way too long. I would try another dealer.
John
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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 09:15:36 EDT
From: John941 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 F250SD with 4R100 auto, no PTO

I also have a new(600 miles) PSD and have no transmission noise.
John
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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 08:20:02 -0500
From: Jim Cole
Subject: FTE 97up - Is 80.4" the real cab heigth for a F250 SD 4x4 supercab?

The reason I ask is I measured my garage and its like 6' 10" tall at the
lowest point.

Can someone please do me a big favor and measure it?

thanks
- -Jim Cole


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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 09:02:51 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - delivery date

It all depends on where you ordered from. Right now if I ordered a sold
unit it would take about 8 weeks (its been six but the plant will be shut
down for two weeks in July). However I sell a lot of HD trucks (sales
history determines how many you get). Most of the dealers I talk to tell me
they have a 3 to 4 month backlog. I don't know of any way to find out your
ETA other than our Fordstar computer. You won't have an ETA until about 8
weeks before delivery anyway. Until then it will just say "Clean
Unscheduled Order".

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Janster
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, June 23, 1998 7:40 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - delivery date


>Hi folks,
>
>I ordered a '99 F250 SD 4X4 on 1 May 98. The dealer told me it would be
>about six months before delivery as it's a new model and the demand is
>very high. As of today, I haven't been given an ETA from the dealer.
>Does anybody know if there is a website, 1-800#, or some dealer-speak
>that I can use to find out the ETA? Or am I relegated to waiting 5 1/2
>months before knowing when it'll be delivered?
>
>ETA challenged


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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 09:48:54 -0500
From: Randy Robb
Subject: FTE 97up - Ford Medium Duty Trucks

> WATCH OUT FOR THE 550. I HAVE ONE AND LOVE IT BUT THE COST IS TO HIGH.
> ONLY 8MPG

Wow Bob, don't you have the 5 ton box in it? Is it loaded? I'd keep
taking it back and complaining, possibly to another dealer. Empty and
loaded MPG the same, something doesn't seem right!

The reason I'm looking for something bigger then the F-550 is because of
its 26,000 GCVWR. I was looking for 30-31,000 GCVWR. That way it could
accommodate a 20,000 5th wheel. By the time you add a bed, hitch, and
passengers the tow capacity of the F-550 drops 1000 lbs., to 16,300.
That doesn't leave much reserve power. I like using the 10% (less)
rule, that's what hitch makers use. Using the 10% rule, the F-550
comfortably tows 14,670 lbs ((17300-1000)*.90) . I tow at capacity now
and know what it feels like to be under powered at times. The reserve
also adds to the longevity of the vehicle.

Ford offered more in the pre-97 F-800 series, i.e.. crew cab, lo-pro,
air ride, more powerful cummins 5.9B, auto trannies. The ISB diesels
are rated up to 250 HP and 660'# torque. I hope these options will be
offered soon.

I heard the F-800 is currently made in Mexico, with the assembly moving
back to the US next year. Any truth to this information.
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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 11:13:34, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: re: FTE 97up - Ford Medium Duty Trucks

You are correct, the F800s are made in Mexico currently, but I am not
sure about moving back to U.S. Rumor has it that the F800 will be
discontinued in a few years and the F-Super Duty configuration will
reach 33,000 GVWR...that would be interesting. The new ISB 5.9L is
pretty amazing compared to the 5.9L B-Series. The ISB is electronic.
Ford took away a lot of the options to make ordering easy and costs
of production low, but they were too ignorant to see that all of the
other options are very important, too. Did you ever consider a 26,
000# or under Louisville? You can get 300 hp out of one of those plus
air brakes.

Josh
KNBD87D prodigy.com
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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 10:26:15 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Ford Medium Duty Trucks

The F-800 is made in Mexico where the 3/4 and 1 tons were made last year. I
haven't heard anything about moving the plant back to the US. All Super
Duties are now made in Kentucky (Last year HD's were made at Kentucky and
Mexico). F-150's and F-250 LD are made at Kansas City, Norfolk, and Detroit
(unless Expedition has taken over all of the plants production).

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Randy Robb
To: Bob Illingworth ; 97up-list ford-trucks.com

Date: Tuesday, June 23, 1998 10:00 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Ford Medium Duty Trucks

>I heard the F-800 is currently made in Mexico, with the assembly moving
>back to the US next year. Any truth to this information.
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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 10:28:04 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Height of 1998 F150 4x4 Supercab SB

What F-150 do you want to know for? Regular or Super cab, 4x2 or 4x4, and
what tire size?

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Lou Mallia
To: Ford Trucks
Date: Tuesday, June 23, 1998 6:07 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Height of 1998 F150 4x4 Supercab SB


>I've checked the old ('97) F150 brochure that I have, and it lists every
>truck dimension except height. Could someone in the know please post
>this, or send it to me via email?
>Thanks,
>Lou


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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 09:38:20 -0700
From: johny
Subject: FTE 97up - 99 superduty - dual alternator package?

For the dual alternator package on the 99 superduties,
I think it is available on the diesel only.

Questions:
- - What's the order number.
- - Is is limited to certain models and packages (like the ambulance package)
- - Is it upgradable to a F250 or F350 Superduty

I've not seen it available with a F250 or F350.

thanks,

- -john


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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 12:13:29 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 superduty - dual alternator package?

The dual alternator setup is limited (right now) to the 47A Ambulance Prep
package.

Nathan Bernard

- -----Original Message-----
From: johny
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, June 23, 1998 11:52 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - 99 superduty - dual alternator package?


>For the dual alternator package on the 99 superduties,
>I think it is available on the diesel only.
>
>Questions:
>- What's the order number.
>- Is is limited to certain models and packages (like the ambulance package)
>- Is it upgradable to a F250 or F350 Superduty
>
>I've not seen it available with a F250 or F350.
>
>thanks,
>
>-john


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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 12:26:16 -0700
From: Russell Trahan
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: F-150 Service Manual

Ray:

The Ford manuals can be purchased from Helm, Inc. Their phone number
is 1-800-782-4356. They also have a web site at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.helm.inc

Russ Trahan


> From: ray
> Subject: FTE 97up - 97 F-150 Manual Purchase
>
> Does anybody have an address or a phone # for the purpose of purchasing
> an 1997 F-150 Service Manual. Ray
>

- --
Dr. Russell E. Trahan, Jr., Professor of Electrical Engineering
University of New Orleans e-mail: retee uno.edu
Office Phone: 504-280-6176 Home Phone: 504-254-5248
FAX: 504-280-3950 Pager: 504-477-8618
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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 18:33:15 EDT
From: Dirtracr7 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - delivery date

Call 800-392-FORD.You will need a Vin.# for them to help you.I ordered my 99
F350 Crew Dually on Jan. 10 & picked it up on April 18.I was on the phone
about 5 times a day to get a date and no one could help me.Best of luck.
Mark K.
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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 18:37:41 EDT
From: Dirtracr7 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - delivery date

Ford is having major problems with building these trucks.Its not the dealer
that is the problem,it is the factory.At this point in time there are no V-10s
available right now.They are having trouble with all kinds of parts including
nuts and bolts.The only thing you can do is wait.The factory is overwhelmed
with orders and can not handle the load.
Mark K.
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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 20:53:51 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - More on Mach Stereo

Forwarded by the list admin:

From: Mark Lee

I own an Eddie Bauer Expedition (recently added to 97+ gallery - thanks
Ken) and I am very pleased with the sound system and have had others
comment on the sound quality (two are Lexus owners). That doesn't mean
it is better than Lexus because it is not, what it does mean is they
were impressed at the OVERALL QUALITY of the sound which is relatively
distortion free even at high levels and benefits significantly from the
s*b woofer located near the third row seating area. The CD hasn't
skipped. The installation in the arm rest is very convenient with
sufficient room for extra cds.

You can always upgrade a factory sound system to something which is more
powerful if your personal taste require more "horse power", as for me, I
am very pleased with the Mach system in the EB. I suggest you borrow an
EB from your Ford dealer for a few hours and give the system a proper
test with a few of your favorite cds to determine if it is adequate for
your taste.

psmith1 os.dhhs.gov wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for all the feedback, though I'm still a little confused...
>
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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 20:59:44 -0500
From: JJ/Rae
Subject: FTE 97up - Steering Stabilizers, Cepek Vs Rancho

Anybody know what the difference between Cepek and Rancho steering
stabilizers or if there is any diff at all. Just picked up some
285/75R16 BFG/MT's and
want to add a stabilizer. Plus which is better the single or dual
set-up. Had dual
Rancho on the Bronco so am leaning that way but I'd like to hear from
anybody that has
the Cepek ones first.

JJ
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ICQ # 14108174
It ain't serious, It's only life
1997 F-250 XLT Powerstroke 4x4, SC, SB, 5sp, 4.10
http://www.ford-trucks.com/pictorial/big/1997_f250_1.html
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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 21:28:56 -0500
From: "Roy E. Springer"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 F250SD with 4R100 auto, no PTO

Sorry, I don't know the details. The original posting said "I recently
purchased".
I've contacted the individual and recommended he join the 97-up list, so we
may learn more.

- ----------

> In regards to the transmission noise issue:
>
> Is this being experienced right from the beginning?
>

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 19:35:58 -0700
From: "R. Thomas Cepek, Sr."
Subject: FTE 97up - Steering Stabilizers, Cepek Vs Rancho/RTC REPLY

JJ/Rae wrote:


Jerry:

Hey buddy, where are you when i need you?

Answer this question "please", before i lose this sale!!!

RTC





>
> Anybody know what the difference between Cepek and Rancho steering
> stabilizers or if there is any diff at all. Just picked up some
> 285/75R16 BFG/MT's and
> want to add a stabilizer. Plus which is better the single or dual
> set-up. Had dual
> Rancho on the Bronco so am leaning that way but I'd like to hear from
> anybody that has
> the Cepek ones first.
>
> JJ
> --
> ICQ # 14108174
> It ain't serious, It's only life
> 1997 F-250 XLT Powerstroke 4x4, SC, SB, 5sp, 4.10
> http://www.ford-trucks.com/pictorial/big/1997_f250_1.html
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.abol.com/users/jlester/photos/f25023.jpg
>
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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 21:49:29 -0500
From: "Roy E. Springer"
Subject: FTE 97up - yadda - yet another delivery date advisory

YADDA - Yet Another Delivery Date Advisory:

F250SD Lariat CC PSD SWB 4X4 Auto
Signed deal 5/2
Order entered 5/4
Told to expect 6-8 weeks typical, 10 weeks max
Have VIN#, Vehicle Order Maintenance printout:

STAT DATE 062398 CODE V - LOCKED IN
ORDER DATE 050498 TYPE 1 - RET SOURCE D/E PRIORITY ACK DATE 050498
SCHED DATE 062298 ALLOC PERIOD 21 PROD DATE
SHIP DATE RAMP CODE RAIL CAR RAMP ETA
DEALER ETA 070698

Was told when I received this to expect 2 week delay on actual ETA. Week
of 070698 would be 10 weeks,
but it sounds like I am looking at 12 weeks from order placed to vehicle
delivered.

>From other postings, it sounds like it varies a lot depending on the
vehicle, equipment, dealer, etc.

Can anyone tell from this what day it will actually be built? (Hoping it
was not Mpnday 6/22).

Roy
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 13:03:30 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - yadda - yet another delivery date advisory

Due to the Rail road problems many vehicles have been two weeks late, but
not all. I've had some 2 weeks early (but there is no way to tell until it
comes in). As for exact build date, you'll have to look at the window
sticker. The printouts mean give or take a week so they are based off of
Mondays. On the lower right hand corner of the window sticker there is a
string of numbers with the last few being the build date.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Roy E. Springer
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, June 23, 1998 10:01 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - yadda - yet another delivery date advisory


>F250SD Lariat CC PSD SWB 4X4 Auto....


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