97up-list-digest Thursday, June 4 1998 Volume 01 : Number 107



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - RECALL
FTE 97up - Tachometer
Re: FTE 97up - RECALL
FTE 97up - STAR/GEM
FTE 97up - Engine Knock on 97 Expedtion
Re: FTE 97up - RECALL
Re: FTE 97up - Engine Knock on 97 Expedtion
Re: FTE 97up - Engine Knock on 97 Expedtion

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Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 14:54:56 -0700
From: WiNk
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - RECALL

Nathan,
I lost the thread on this one.

I should have dated my VW experiences. In the 50's the 36 horse VW was a dream,
never fell apart, had seamless gas lines, threaded screw holes that were drilled
and tapped, plus a bunch of other good stuff, including the little pop out arm,
turn signals. I think that after about 62 or so that the VW began to have
problems with chattering clutches, valves cracking, engine burn outs, etc etc.
Maybe I am thinking about the first horse power increase as the beginning of VW
problems.
WiNk



Union Auto wrote:

> >From my experience VW has had more quality problems than American companies.
> We've had more problems with the cars that used to be made by Mazda than
> with the other Ford Products (I.E. Probe and first few years of Tracer
> 1990?) so I don't buy the other people make it work theory. Cars break
> PERIOD. If they didn't you'd buy them at Wal Mart.
>
> Nathan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WiNk
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Date: Thursday, June 04, 1998 2:25 PM
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - RECALL
>
> >TSK! TSK! in the past it would almost be impossible to take a Volkswagon
> back to the garage
> >for a repair. This is also true of some of the Japanese cars. The facts of
> the matter are
> >that GOOD quality control means NO RECALLS. IF you have recalls the facts
> (stats) are that
> >the QC is weak. Results of poor QC is REWORK, or attempts by the company
> to pass the cost off
> >to the consumer.
> >REWORK cost three times more to do than doing it right the first time.
> >
> >This could go on and on. I guess my points should be understood by now.
> >
> >Total Quality Management (TQM) is the key to NO RECALLS and a 30 to 40%
> increase in the bottom
> >line, if you will!
> >
> >
> >Chad Royse wrote:
> >
> >> WiNk, I think you're a little too wound up about this. Profits are more
> than just
> >> sales. That's why I mentioned the bottom line. If Ford guaranteed
> everyone a
> >> replacement vehicle for every recall, it would drive prices sky high.
> You might as
> >> well go out and buy a high-end yuppiffied Mercedes SUV.
> >>
> >> Chad
> >>
> >> WiNk wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Nothing is FREE is right but everything that we pay for should be
> provided. If enough
> >> > complaints are logged against a company then the board of directors
> will get on the
> >> > CEO;s butt in a heavy way. OR the company will go out of business.
> That is the way the
> >> > capitalist system works. No sales ! No profit! and no board of
> directors. Competition
> >> > is supposed to keep the price right.
> >> >
> >> > Chad Royse wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Remember, nothing is free. Sometimes sh!t happens and if Ford is
> willing to take
> >> > > responsibillity for it, that's great. But if every one starts
> complaining about
> >> > > wanting a replacement vehicle even for recalls, then bottom lines are
> going to start
> >> > > suffering. If they suffer too much, we are the ones who'll pay.
> >> > >
> >> > > Bill wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > Well guys there's one good dealer in Ann Arbor, Michigan, sells
> the Lincoln and
> >> > > > will pick your Lincoln up within 50 miles and leave you a new
> Lincoln to drive
> >> > > > with a full tank of gas, when warranty repairs have been made to
> your car they
> >> > > > return the car and pick up the loaner. You have to love a dealer
> like that!
> >> > > > These recalls are getting out of hand, its only done to keep the
> government off
> >> > > > there backs. Next time you buy a $34K truck demand a free loaner
> be wrote into
> >> > > > the sale agreement, if the dealer wouldn't do it try another dealer
> (sometimes it
> >> > > > works). Take anything back to K-Mart and exchange it no questions
> ask, auto
> >> > > > dealers sure should be able to spring for a car of some kind to
> drive. Several in
> >> > > > the lower Michigan will, but you have to let it be known you expect
> it and will
> >> > > > not settle for less.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Ken Payne wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > At 02:59 AM 6/2/98 EDT, you wrote:
> >> > > > > >Why is it that no dealer will give me a truck to use for the day
> when my
> >> > > > > truck
> >> > > > > >is in for the recall?My feelings are,if you build a truck,sell a
> truck(FOR
> >> > > > > >$34000.00)then you should provide a truck for the guy who has to
> lose a truck
> >> > > > > >for a day because you screwed up building it.
> >> > > > > > Mark
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > This is pretty standard with all auto companies. I don't
> >> > > > > see how a dealer could possibly offer a loaner to hundred
> >> > > > > (thousands?) of people coming in with recall notices.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Ken Payne
> >> > > > >
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Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 18:01:40 -0400
From: Doug Moore
Subject: FTE 97up - Tachometer

I was look for a tachometer gauge (RPM gauge) that would work in a Club
Wagon and suggestions on where to mount it. My wife is concerned that it
will not look good and need to be child proof.

Thanks
Doug
dougm ami.com


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Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 19:33:18 -0400
From: Mark Lee
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - RECALL

The NEW VW Beetle (every one of them) has already been recalled for
wiring problems which can cause fires. So far only 4 have burned up,
but given how few have been made so far, it is probably a reasonably
high percentage. So much for TQM....

WiNk wrote:
>
> TSK! TSK! in the past it would almost be impossible to take a Volkswagon back to the garage
> for a repair. This is also true of some of the Japanese cars. The facts of the matter are
> that GOOD quality control means NO RECALLS. IF you have recalls the facts (stats) are that
> the QC is weak. Results of poor QC is REWORK, or attempts by the company to pass the cost off
> to the consumer.
> REWORK cost three times more to do than doing it right the first time.
>
> This could go on and on. I guess my points should be understood by now.
>
> Total Quality Management (TQM) is the key to NO RECALLS and a 30 to 40% increase in the bottom
> line, if you will!
>
> Chad Royse wrote:
>
> > WiNk, I think you're a little too wound up about this. Profits are more than just
> > sales. That's why I mentioned the bottom line. If Ford guaranteed everyone a
> > replacement vehicle for every recall, it would drive prices sky high. You might as
> > well go out and buy a high-end yuppiffied Mercedes SUV.
> >
> > Chad
> >
> > WiNk wrote:
> > >
> > > Nothing is FREE is right but everything that we pay for should be provided. If enough
> > > complaints are logged against a company then the board of directors will get on the
> > > CEO;s butt in a heavy way. OR the company will go out of business. That is the way the
> > > capitalist system works. No sales ! No profit! and no board of directors. Competition
> > > is supposed to keep the price right.
> > >
> > > Chad Royse wrote:
> > >
> > > > Remember, nothing is free. Sometimes sh!t happens and if Ford is willing to take
> > > > responsibillity for it, that's great. But if every one starts complaining about
> > > > wanting a replacement vehicle even for recalls, then bottom lines are going to start
> > > > suffering. If they suffer too much, we are the ones who'll pay.
> > > >
> > > > Bill wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Well guys there's one good dealer in Ann Arbor, Michigan, sells the Lincoln and
> > > > > will pick your Lincoln up within 50 miles and leave you a new Lincoln to drive
> > > > > with a full tank of gas, when warranty repairs have been made to your car they
> > > > > return the car and pick up the loaner. You have to love a dealer like that!
> > > > > These recalls are getting out of hand, its only done to keep the government off
> > > > > there backs. Next time you buy a $34K truck demand a free loaner be wrote into
> > > > > the sale agreement, if the dealer wouldn't do it try another dealer (sometimes it
> > > > > works). Take anything back to K-Mart and exchange it no questions ask, auto
> > > > > dealers sure should be able to spring for a car of some kind to drive. Several in
> > > > > the lower Michigan will, but you have to let it be known you expect it and will
> > > > > not settle for less.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ken Payne wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > At 02:59 AM 6/2/98 EDT, you wrote:
> > > > > > >Why is it that no dealer will give me a truck to use for the day when my
> > > > > > truck
> > > > > > >is in for the recall?My feelings are,if you build a truck,sell a truck(FOR
> > > > > > >$34000.00)then you should provide a truck for the guy who has to lose a truck
> > > > > > >for a day because you screwed up building it.
> > > > > > > Mark
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is pretty standard with all auto companies. I don't
> > > > > > see how a dealer could possibly offer a loaner to hundred
> > > > > > (thousands?) of people coming in with recall notices.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ken Payne
> > > > > >
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