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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - Extended Warranties and another question
FTE 97up - Re: Recall
Re: FTE 97up - RECALL
Re: FTE 97up - Remote Starting System
Re: FTE 97up - loss of power on f150 97
Re: FTE 97up - loss of power on f150 97
Re: FTE 97up - Extended Warranties and another question
Re: FTE 97up - Remote Starting System
Re: FTE 97up - Remote Starting System
Re: FTE 97up - Remote Starting System
FTE 97up - 1999 SD running boards
Re: FTE 97up - RECALL
Re: FTE 97up - 1999 SD running boards
FTE 97up - Trition Badge
FTE 97up - Triton Badge
Re: FTE 97up - Triton Badge

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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:48:33 EDT
From: RAMWORKER aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Extended Warranties and another question

Hi Guys,

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and flames to the old administrator.

Best Regards,
Robert Stout

In a message dated 6/2/98 1:00:20 AM Central Daylight Time, pmeanea gbasin.net
writes:


reason I ask is
that my employer bought 11 97 dodge pu's and 5 have worn out front brake
pads in 14000 mi. I need info badly. We haven't had brake problem with
our Ford pickups!! >>
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:52:23 EDT
From: JDavis1277 aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Recall

Mark,
I'm old enough to remember the bad old days when there was no such thing as a
recall and new vehicle warranties were for 90 days to 6 months long. If you
had a Cadillac or a Lincoln or an Imperial and you had done business with the
dealer for a few years you might get a loaner for a day or two if you were a
doctor. I'm just damn grateful for these recalls and long warranties. I'll
turn my truck in for recall work when its most convenient to me. Butch Davis-
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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 09:57:50 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - RECALL

At 02:59 AM 6/2/98 EDT, you wrote:
>Why is it that no dealer will give me a truck to use for the day when my
truck
>is in for the recall?My feelings are,if you build a truck,sell a truck(FOR
>$34000.00)then you should provide a truck for the guy who has to lose a truck
>for a day because you screwed up building it.
> Mark

This is pretty standard with all auto companies. I don't
see how a dealer could possibly offer a loaner to hundred
(thousands?) of people coming in with recall notices.

Ken Payne


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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 10:54:23 -0400
From: Chad Royse
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Remote Starting System

I've installed two so far. An Avital in my 94 Ranger and DesignTech on the wife's
Prizm. I didn't put one in my 97 250HD, but plan on one my 99 250 SD V-10. I liked
the Avital a little better because it disables the starter when the vehicle is
running off the unit. Then again the DesignTech allowed me to switch the car over to
the unit while already running and remove the key. Great for the convenience store
on a hot summer day.

The Ranger was still under warrantee at the time and the dealer never said a word
about it. I can't speak for the excuse factor, but in reality their should not be
problems with transient spikes. The box only connects to 12v sources and 12v
devices. I could see a problem if needed to connect to a 5v computer component and
you were depending on the remote starter to step down the voltage or working with AC
which can induce voltages, but it's not the case. You're just manipulating 12vdc to
start your car.

AS far as AC... I've always left it on in both vehicles in the summer. Otherwise
the remote starter was fairly useless to me. It's never been a problem. I believe
most AC compressors today have a built in delay so as to allow the engine to start
before engaging.

My experiences,
Chad

MRoadarDOJ aol.com wrote:

> Does anyone know if adding a remote starting system to a Ford truck (1999
> F-350 w/V-10 in my case) is possible? Does it do anything to the warranty as
> far as Ford is concerned? Will Ford install one? Also, does it matter if the
> air-conditioning is in the "on" position when starting the truck or should it
> be left "off" until the engine is running? Finally, has anybody found any
> companies manufacturing brushguards and visors for the new super duties yet?
> Thanks.
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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 11:03:58 -0400
From: Chad Royse
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - loss of power on f150 97

Snaps, clicks... Are you sure you're not just hearing relay activity? Admittedly I
don't own a F150, but I've driven my best freinds several times and noticed (so did
he) their is quite a bit of relay activity under the dash.

Chad

WiNk wrote:

> I had some similar "hints" that a problem might be forthcoming. I heard what I
> thought was voltage snaps under the dash. The snaps sounded like the flashers
> but they weren't on. Then while running down the road at about 65mph I head the
> same damn snapping but this time it was faster than the flasher clicks. I really
> "know" voltage leaks and I do expect some problems from the sounds that I heard.
> I have 39K on the F-150 and have it in for arbitration.
>
> CRO47 aol.com wrote:
>
> > about a week ago I was driving along when I lost all electrical power The
> > gauges all went to zero, and I continued home on battery power. Then all was
> > dead. The dealer said there was a problem in the instrument cluster, which
> > got replaced, along with the fuel gauge, wiiring harness and battery. Truck
> > is an F-150 1997 Lariant with only 4,000 miles. Triton V-8 4.6. Anyone
> > else had a similar problem?
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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 11:07:23 -0400
From: Chad Royse
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - loss of power on f150 97

That's strange sounding. I can't help to think that the alternator participated in
that problem.

Chad

CRO47 aol.com wrote:

> about a week ago I was driving along when I lost all electrical power The
> gauges all went to zero, and I continued home on battery power. Then all was
> dead. The dealer said there was a problem in the instrument cluster, which
> got replaced, along with the fuel gauge, wiiring harness and battery. Truck
> is an F-150 1997 Lariant with only 4,000 miles. Triton V-8 4.6. Anyone
> else had a similar problem?
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:03:18 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Extended Warranties and another question

Don't know of a Dodge group but the Dodge trucks after 93 have brake
problems when used (Auto tranny also). The best help we have found (we had
a lot of people switch in 94 and switch back due to these problems so we got
to learn how to get them going again) is to make sure the rear brakes get
deglazed OFTEN!. Also the Carbon metallic front pads help some, but the
only real fix we've found is to crank up the trailer brakes so they do more
work than normal. Also keep an eye on the front rotors, they usually go bad
(on new style Dodge) when the pads are bad.

Nathan Bernard

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From: pmeanea
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 1:10 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Extended Warranties and another question


>Thanks to all of you who sent advice on extended warranties. I will
>choose soon and will share experiences, good or bad.
>
>This is a great group and I am learning lots from the postings. Now a
>question for
>any of you----does anyone know of a simular group for dodge pickups? The
>reason I ask is
>that my employer bought 11 97 dodge pu's and 5 have worn out front brake
>pads in 14000 mi. I need info badly. We haven't had brake problem with
>our Ford pickups!!
>As this is a Ford group, could you please email privately to
>
>Thank you again for your help.
>


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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:21:32 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Remote Starting System

Ford does not offer a remote starting system. It does not void your
warranty as a rule but if it causes a failure would void coverage on what
broke. I would not have one on my vehicle for two reasons. The first is
with nothing to monitor oil pressure or temperature if something goes wrong
you've just bought an engine. The second is that to install one you have to
cut and splice an incredible number of wires in the harness. This means
trouble down the road. If you were to have any problems due to these
splices the work would not be covered under warranty.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

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From: MRoadarDOJ aol.com
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, June 01, 1998 7:39 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Remote Starting System


>Does anyone know if adding a remote starting system to a Ford truck (1999
>F-350 w/V-10 in my case) is possible? Does it do anything to the warranty
as
>far as Ford is concerned? Will Ford install one? Also, does it matter if
the
>air-conditioning is in the "on" position when starting the truck or should
it
>be left "off" until the engine is running? Finally, has anybody found any
>companies manufacturing brushguards and visors for the new super duties
yet?
>Thanks.


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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 12:08:20 -0400
From: Chad Royse
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Remote Starting System

The new Triton's are designed to be able to run with no coolant! :) As far as oil
pressure, I did see an intelligent idea used on a motor home with a 460. However it
would be harder to apply it to a fuel injected motor. Anyway they (John Deere)
hooked the fuel pump up to the oil sending unit and the start (not run) side if the
ignition switch. This way the fuel pump only got juice while starting and when there
was enough oil pressure to satisfy the sending unit. Also, because they controlled
the fuel pump this way and not the ignition, allowed for small pressure hiccups
without killing the motor. You know, like if you're in the middle of a 1.5g turn in
the motor home and the sump sucks a little air. :)

I don't think those are worthwhile solutions to Nathan's points, but though it was
interesting info none the less.

Chad

Union Auto wrote:

> Ford does not offer a remote starting system. It does not void your
> warranty as a rule but if it causes a failure would void coverage on what
> broke. I would not have one on my vehicle for two reasons. The first is
> with nothing to monitor oil pressure or temperature if something goes wrong
> you've just bought an engine. The second is that to install one you have to
> cut and splice an incredible number of wires in the harness. This means
> trouble down the road. If you were to have any problems due to these
> splices the work would not be covered under warranty.
>
> Nathan Bernard
> Union Auto, Inc.



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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 12:25:48 -0700
From: cfoye baynetworks.com (Chris Foye)
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Remote Starting System

Hi Chad/Ford Listers,

Two questions for you. 1.) How much did the units cost? and 2.) How
difficult were the installations?

Chris


At 10:54 AM 6/2/98 -0400, Chad Royse wrote...
>I've installed two so far. An Avital in my 94 Ranger and DesignTech on
the wife's
>Prizm. I didn't put one in my 97 250HD, but plan on one my 99 250 SD
V-10. I liked
>the Avital a little better because it disables the starter when the
vehicle is
>running off the unit. Then again the DesignTech allowed me to switch the
car over to
>the unit while already running and remove the key. Great for the
convenience store
>on a hot summer day.
>
>The Ranger was still under warrantee at the time and the dealer never said
a word
>about it. I can't speak for the excuse factor, but in reality their
should not be
>problems with transient spikes. The box only connects to 12v sources and 12v
>devices. I could see a problem if needed to connect to a 5v computer
component and
>you were depending on the remote starter to step down the voltage or
working with AC
>which can induce voltages, but it's not the case. You're just
manipulating 12vdc to
>start your car.
>
>AS far as AC... I've always left it on in both vehicles in the summer.
Otherwise
>the remote starter was fairly useless to me. It's never been a problem.
I believe
>most AC compressors today have a built in delay so as to allow the engine
to start
>before engaging.
>
>My experiences,
>Chad
>
>MRoadarDOJ aol.com wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know if adding a remote starting system to a Ford truck (1999
>> F-350 w/V-10 in my case) is possible? Does it do anything to the
warranty as
>> far as Ford is concerned? Will Ford install one? Also, does it matter
if the
>> air-conditioning is in the "on" position when starting the truck or
should it
>> be left "off" until the engine is running? Finally, has anybody found any
>> companies manufacturing brushguards and visors for the new super duties
yet?
>> Thanks.
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:20:27 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: FTE 97up - 1999 SD running boards

Has anyone found any Running boards for a 1999 Super Duty? I can get nerf
bars, Diamond plate and painted boards (and others from Ford) for them but
haven't found any of the normal Extruded aluminum or Stainless boards. Dee
Zee has the style I normally sell (extruded FX) but they have been telling
me it will be two more weeks for the past three months. So any help would
be appreciated!

Thanks

Nathan Bernard


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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 20:24:19 -0400
From: Bill
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - RECALL

Well guys there's one good dealer in Ann Arbor, Michigan, sells the Lincoln and
will pick your Lincoln up within 50 miles and leave you a new Lincoln to drive
with a full tank of gas, when warranty repairs have been made to your car they
return the car and pick up the loaner. You have to love a dealer like that!
These recalls are getting out of hand, its only done to keep the government off
there backs. Next time you buy a $34K truck demand a free loaner be wrote into
the sale agreement, if the dealer wouldn't do it try another dealer (sometimes it
works). Take anything back to K-Mart and exchange it no questions ask, auto
dealers sure should be able to spring for a car of some kind to drive. Several in
the lower Michigan will, but you have to let it be known you expect it and will
not settle for less.

Ken Payne wrote:

> At 02:59 AM 6/2/98 EDT, you wrote:
> >Why is it that no dealer will give me a truck to use for the day when my
> truck
> >is in for the recall?My feelings are,if you build a truck,sell a truck(FOR
> >$34000.00)then you should provide a truck for the guy who has to lose a truck
> >for a day because you screwed up building it.
> > Mark
>
> This is pretty standard with all auto companies. I don't
> see how a dealer could possibly offer a loaner to hundred
> (thousands?) of people coming in with recall notices.
>
> Ken Payne
>
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:58:26 EDT
From: Dirtracr7 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 1999 SD running boards

Try calling Armour Deck At 1-800-222-3325.Ask for Tom.
Mark
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:55:11 -0500
From: "Jack Bowell"
Subject: FTE 97up - Trition Badge

Can anyone tell me what models and/or years get the Triton V-8 badge on the
left and right sides of the truck under the F-150 badge? Did this start
with 1998 or is only on the larger V-8 and not the 4.6L? Just curious.

Also, if one wanted to apply 4x4 stickers to "non-4x4" F-150 where can one
go to purchase these?


Jack Bowell
JBowell msn.com
1997 XLT, 4.2L, ext cab, black, auto, styleside
ON ORDER= 1999 XLT, 4.6L, ext cab, dark tord., auto, flareside



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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:57:02 -0500
From: "Jack Bowell"
Subject: FTE 97up - Triton Badge

Can anyone tell me what models and/or years get the Triton V-8 badge on the
left and right sides of the truck under the F-150 badge? Did this start
with 1998 or is only on the larger V-8 and not the 4.6L? Just curious.

Also, if one wanted to apply 4x4 stickers to "non-4x4" F-150 where can one
go to purchase these?


Jack Bowell
JBowell msn.com
1997 XLT, 4.2L, ext cab, black, auto, styleside
ON ORDER= 1999 XLT, 4.6L, ext cab, dark Toreador Red, auto, flareside,
single CD player (finally!)





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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 23:26:30 -0400
From: hunter cyberstreet.com (Michael Kisielewski)
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Triton Badge

>Can anyone tell me what models and/or years get the Triton V-8 badge on
the
>left and right sides of the truck under the F-150 badge? Did this
start
>with 1998 or is only on the larger V-8 and not the 4.6L? Just curious.

>
>Also, if one wanted to apply 4x4 stickers to "non-4x4" F-150 where can
one
>go to purchase these?
>
>
>Jack Bowell
>JBowell msn.com
>1997 XLT, 4.2L, ext cab, black, auto, styleside
>ON ORDER= 1999 XLT, 4.6L, ext cab, dark Toreador Red, auto, flareside,
>single CD player (finally!)
....


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