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fordtrucks80up-digest Digest Volume 97 : Issue 16

Today's Topics:

Re: fordtrucks80up-digest Digest V97 [Jim Bovenmyer 4-6640
Re:2.3L Ranger ["warren" ]
Re: Window Sticker [Ken Payne ]
Electric window dies ["Beaman, James"
Re: dash activated 4WD not working [Fordtough ]
Ranger won't start ["jeremy kempa"
Re: ADMIN: Will be out of touch for [tajdaj juno.com (Tim A Jacques) ]
Re: Ford Customer Service [ir002129 mindspring.com (Dave Armbr]
Adding A/C 91 F150 [ketchj trip.net ]
Re: dash activated 4WD not working [doggfarm erols.com ]
Re: dash activated 4WD not working [Gary Manning
Re: Ranger won't start [Joe Chiasson
RE: Ranger won't start [Keith Srb ]
Re: Ranger won't start [Joe Chiasson
Re: Ranger won't start [JAMES ]
Re: Ranger won't start [silent.bob juno.com ]
Don't it suck [skidoguy cyberbeach.net ]
Don't it suck [DQEM46A prodigy.com (MRS GRETCHEN ]
Re: Don't it suck [Gardner ]
Re: Don't it suck [DQEM46A prodigy.com (MRS GRETCHEN ]
Bronco 2 [Randy Brewer ]

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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 12:17:45 -0500
From: Jim Bovenmyer 4-6640
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
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You don't think Dodge will have the same attitude? Basically all of them are
the same. It all depends on who you are dealing with at the time. If you don't
remember I posted about my chrome peeling off my Ranger's rear bumper. I called
customer service, and was helped by a very nice woman. She submitted my
complaint about one dealer and put through my warranty request to another. The
next day I got a call from the dealer and set up an appointment.

A coworker bought a Saturn last summer and has had a lot of problems with them.
You are never immune to BS unfortunately!!

--Jim B.

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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 12:43:43 -0500
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> >> Josh --> '88 FDR (Ford Danger Ranger)
> >> '70 Ch belle
Hey Josh, I have recently started the Ford Ranger Fans On-Line web
page. Cruise our links for a place called Racer Walsh, form their
website you can order a catalog. They carry everything you can imagine
to modify a 2.3 Litre engine. Check us out at:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sky.net/~wkurtz/ranger.html
Warren Kurtz
wkurtz sky.net

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Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 16:01:28 -0400
From: Ken Payne
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At 03:26 PM 6/3/97 UT, you wrote:
>IMHO I think that if you change the "Internet Home for" to "Member of" in the
>same kind of Font. I would buy one right away.
>

Great suggestion! I'll do it! The web site will keep the current
logo though (going to take the address off the bottom for the
site logo).

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Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 15:36:19 -0500
From: "Beaman, James"
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The passenger side electric window on my '92 F250 just quit working and
before I start looking for the problem, I wanted to get the net wisdom
on what might be the cause of this. If anyone else has had this happen,
did it turn out to be the motor or was it a connection somewhere? This
happened without warning. One time it worked, the next time, nothing.
Neither switch on the doors causes any movement or sound. Thanks for
the help.

James Beaman
james.beaman lmco.com
Houston, Texas

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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:46:32 -0500 (CDT)
From: Fordtough
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Subject: Re: dash activated 4WD not working
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At 10:54 PM 6/1/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Today I discovered my 93 Ranger would not engage 4WD. Pressing the dash
>button did nothing other than click; no dash light came on and no change in
>transfer case. I may have detected a slight change in idle speed as the
>button was pressed...anyone have any experience with this problem? Any and
>all suggestions appreciated.
>
>Joe
>
>
>
>_I have a 94 F-150 it did the same thing push the button nothing happend.
I took it to the local dealer under warrenty
they said the switch went out witch caused the hubbs to be striped
when it was all dead said it was under warrenty
but if not I bet it costs a $1,000
let me know...

tkopec swbell.net







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Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 13:52:00 PDT
From: "jeremy kempa"
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I have a problem with my '84 Ranger 2.0L. It won't start! We aren't sure
what is causing it. It will turn over and sounds like it wants to start
but it won't catch. If anyone else has had this problem or if anyone has
any ideas, please mail me back so I can get it back to work.


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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 18:16:21 -0400
From: tajdaj juno.com (Tim A Jacques)
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Will be out of touch for a few days
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please take me off this mailing list.

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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 19:41:17 -0500
From: ir002129 mindspring.com (Dave Armbruster)
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
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Back in September of last year, I bought a '97 Ranger from Broadway Ford, a
dealer in St. Louis, MO, and I have had nothing but excellent service from
him. I can say that I was a little let down by a few annoying quality
control-type problems (fit and trim things) right after taking delivery of
the truck, but they were fixed quickly and properly the first time by the
service department. The dealer has taken it on himself at least a couple
times to call Detroit and get answers on things he wasn't sure about. I
think that this dealer has made owning a great truck better, something that
I am sure that a lot of people wouldn't say. It helps that this dealer
only handles trucks, a large part being "big" trucks (F800s, OTR semis,
concrete mixers, etc.) and has 24 hour service, but it's still a Ford truck
representative. In fact, largely due to the experience I have had with
Ford trucks and it's dealers, we are looking at buying a used Explorer for
her.

Stay True,
Dave
1997 4.0L 4x4 SuperCab Ranger

>Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 11:32:18 PDT
>From: meadjr minotafb.ndak.net
>To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
>Subject: FORD COSTOMER SERVICE
>
>Message-Id:
>
>FORD does NOT care about their coustomers at all!! All they want is
>to make a profit! Last year I was in Saudi when Daharan was bombed. I
>was leaving the next day but I voluntered to stay until more Security
>Police came in. I tried to call my wife who was driving from ND to IA to
>pick me up. I finaly got a hold of my Dad who said that she had Broken
>down in MN. After 2 days of trying to get her I finally got the hotel
>she was in and told her that I was alive (she was really upset at not
>knowing if I was ok) and found out that our Bronco's starter had died
>for the 3rd time! She called the local ford dealer at 1630 and explained
>what was going on. She was transfered to the service dept and put on
>hold. After 10 min the line went dead so she called back again she was
>put on hold and the line went dead. The third time she called at 1650
>NOBODY answerd the phone. This was a Friday and who knows Golf is very
>important vs customer service! She called a GoodYear shop and they went
>out of their way (EXCELENT) to help her! When I got home I wrote FORD a
>leter requesting that they pay for the starter and her hotel bill as the
>dealer in MN was very rude and everything that happened. The return
>letter said Oh well they cant be held accountable for what their dealers
>did and they dont think that the dealer did that at all! Call me a LIAR
>will you! and they are not responsible for what a 92 Bronco does after
>the warenty is up!
>DON'T BY FORD!!!!!!!!! THEY WANT YOUR MONEY AND DONT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT
>YOU!!!!
>You can bet that when I can afford it Dodge is going to get my money
>next time!
>If you need service try GOODYEAR they went out of their way to help my
>wife when she was having problems!
>The only Ford dealer/shop I ever had a enjoyable time with was the one
>in MOAB UT. THEY are truly EXCELENT!!!! and this was when my fuel pump was
>accting up in +120 heat. They could not fix it as they were booked solid
>but they went out of their way to explain and let us know how to get back
>home with it still working!
>
>JJ

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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 01:39:22 GMT
From: ketchj trip.net
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Subject: Adding A/C 91 F150
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Howdy folks,

I am a native West New Yorker, and when I bought my 91 F150, it
didn't have any A/C - all I wanted was a good heater. Now, the Navy has
moved me down to South Texas, and it is HOT!!!! Does anyone know if it is
conceivable to put A/C on my truck? I would like it to appear as if from
the factory - therefore a new climate control panel. Any suggestions or
stories? Would love a reply.

Sweat'n in South Texas,

J=E4n E Ketchum


J=E4n Erik Ketchum
ketchj trip.net

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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 21:45:53 -0400
From: doggfarm erols.com
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: Re: dash activated 4WD not working
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I originally wrote:

>>Today I discovered my 93 Ranger would not engage 4WD. Pressing the dash
>>button did nothing other than click...{snip}


>_I have a 94 F-150 it did the same thing push the button nothing happend.
>I took it to the local dealer under warrenty
>they said the switch went out witch caused the hubbs to be striped
>when it was all dead said it was under warrenty
>but if not I bet it costs a $1,000
>let me know...


Did the dealer mention how a bad switch would "strip the hubs"? If you left
it in 4WD on pavement I can see some sort of driveline binding/failure as a
result, but I can't see how your hubs would be affected.

I suspect I have an electrical problem rather than a mechanical problem.
I've been told that the servo motor that engages the transfer shift
mechanism may be out of alignment. I have yet to check my fusebox...thanks
for your response.

Joe

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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 19:15:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: Gary Manning
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
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> Did the dealer mention how a bad switch would "strip the hubs"? If you left
> it in 4WD on pavement I can see some sort of driveline binding/failure as a
> result, but I can't see how your hubs would be affected.

If the hubs are the weakest link in the front drive train, they will be
the part that fails.

> I suspect I have an electrical problem rather than a mechanical problem.
> I've been told that the servo motor that engages the transfer shift
> mechanism may be out of alignment. I have yet to check my fusebox...thanks
> for your response.

Another thing to check is the transfer case engagement motor. This is
fairly common on Explorers, which are likely to be very similar if not
identical. There are some electrical position sensors that can get mucked
up and quit working. The relays (the clicking) might still work, but the
motor will not engage (or sometimes disengage) and no transfer case
shifting. The motor is expensive (close to $400), and cleaning the
switches and such usually can solve the problem.

Gary

Gary Manning x84056 gmanning qualcomm.com
Net Ops Center x11243 Qualcomm, Inc. San Diego, CA

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Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 23:15:17 -0700
From: Joe Chiasson
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jeremy kempa wrote:
>
> I have a problem with my '84 Ranger 2.0L. It won't start! We aren't sure
> what is causing it. It will turn over and sounds like it wants to start
> but it won't catch. If anyone else has had this problem or if anyone has
> any ideas, please mail me back so I can get it back to work.
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> What have you checked for so far, spark, gas, fire? I just rebuilt the exact
same motor, runs like a charm. Check that plug wires aren't arcing causing a misfire,
rotor and cap condition, fuel pressure, flooding, how's the timing (bring number one
to top dead center, take rubber plug off of timing cover, located on upper quater, cam
timing mark sould be alomst pointing at middle indicator os timing marks. Just a
suggestion, get back to me.
Joe

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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 21:14:27 -0700
From: Keith Srb
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I had the same problem with my 86 Bronco II, turned out to be a short in
the wiring going to fuel pump that is mounted inside the drivers side frame
rail. Bronco II's have two fuel pumps, I do not know if Rangers have this
same setup or not.

Keith Srb
1986 Ford Bronco II, 2.9L (I HATE LITERS) V-6, Mitsubishi 5-Speed.
1980 Harley Davidson, XLH, Rebuilt from the frame up.
1966 Ford F100, 240 C.I. Straight Six, Warner T-18 4-Speed, Short Box.
My Blood runs "TRUE BLUE FORD on Four Wheels and Pure HARLEY on Two
Wheels!"



-----Original Message-----
From: jeremy kempa [SMTP:eaglehigh hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 1997 1:52 PM
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: Ranger won't start

I have a problem with my '84 Ranger 2.0L. It won't start! We aren't sure
what is causing it. It will turn over and sounds like it wants to start
but it won't catch. If anyone else has had this problem or if anyone has
any ideas, please mail me back so I can get it back to work.

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Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 06:48:16 -0700
From: Joe Chiasson
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Keith Srb wrote:
>
> I had the same problem with my 86 Bronco II, turned out to be a short in
> the wiring going to fuel pump that is mounted inside the drivers side frame
> rail. Bronco II's have two fuel pumps, I do not know if Rangers have this
> same setup or not.
>
> Keith Srb
> 1986 Ford Bronco II, 2.9L (I HATE LITERS) V-6, Mitsubishi 5-Speed.
> 1980 Harley Davidson, XLH, Rebuilt from the frame up.
> 1966 Ford F100, 240 C.I. Straight Six, Warner T-18 4-Speed, Short Box.
> My Blood runs "TRUE BLUE FORD on Four Wheels and Pure HARLEY on Two
> Wheels!"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jeremy kempa [SMTP:eaglehigh hotmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 1997 1:52 PM
> To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
> Subject: Ranger won't start
>
> I have a problem with my '84 Ranger 2.0L. It won't start! Never knew that it had two, unfortunately, Rangers that year only had one
mechanical pump.
Joe

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Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 07:13:07 -0400
From: JAMES
To: jtors nospamfred.net
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JAMES wrote:

> Not sure if this applies to 84 4 cyl but check your TFI module.You
> should find it on the rear of distributor body,just follow the wiring
> harness.Don't forget to clean the mounting area and use the thermal
> mastic that comes with the module.Part should cost around $30-45
> depending on where you purchase it.Good luck :-)
>
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Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 09:32:25 EDT
From: silent.bob juno.com
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Ranger won't start
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On Tue, 03 Jun 1997 13:52:00 PDT "jeremy kempa"
writes:
>I have a problem with my '84 Ranger 2.0L. It won't start! We aren't
>sure
>what is causing it. It will turn over and sounds like it wants to
>start
>but it won't catch. If anyone else has had this problem or if anyone
>has
>any ideas, please mail me back so I can get it back to work.


Sounds like it might have bad plugs. It could be the distributor. I
have seen this happen on a 88 Bronco II 2.9 v6. A friend of mines sister
ran the Bronco through some high water and caused it to die. The next
day we went to tow it back to the shop, but first we tried to start it.
The motor started and ran for about 7 min idle, then died and we couldn't
get it start again. We took off the distributor cap and saw that water
had gotten in and caused corrosion on the rotor and cap. We installed a
new rotor and cap and everything was fine.


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Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 16:26:27 -0400
From: skidoguy cyberbeach.net
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
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Hello Everyone!
I'm new to this mailing list and would like to tell a little story.
this is a true story...
One bright winter day in Northern Ontario there was an almost mint 84
F150 4X4 4speed bringing his owner home from work. No more than 2 blocks
from his house something went wrong. A daredevil in a little black
lebaron thought he could beat the 4XFORD but was most mistaken. The big
31"x15" Generals tried desperately to stop in time, but to no avail. As
the owner braced for impact the bumper of the huge 4xFORD plowed into
the side of the little lebaron sending it careening into a snowbank.
Well, somewhat maddened the owner of the 4XFORD got out walked to the
front of his truck and found that it was worse than he thought. He would
need a fender, bumper and headlight frame. Somewhat disturbed at what
had happened he looked at the little lebaron and as a little smile came
to his face realized that the daredevil would need much more. He would
need a new taillight, bumper, trunk and unless pounded out and bondoed
the rear fender could not be fixed.
None were hurt. The little lebaron owner payed for the damage, but the
big FORD will never be all original again...

The moral of the story: NEVER TRY TO BEAT SOMETHING BIGGER THAN YOU.

Dale Grein
skidoguy cyberbeach.net

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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 18:03:52, -0500
From: DQEM46A prodigy.com (MRS GRETCHEN MILLER)
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: Don't it suck
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That is a very good story and very true. Anyone out there know where
you can get a good deal on some BFGoodrich 33x9.5x15 mud terrain
tires. I always pay alot for my tires and now need all 4 of them and
would like to find a better deal.

Gretchen Miller
F150 4x4
Hubby
f150 2x4 and 87 toyota celica

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Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 18:41:51 -0500
From: Gardner
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MRS GRETCHEN MILLER wrote:
>
> That is a very good story and very true. Anyone out there know where
> you can get a good deal on some BFGoodrich 33x9.5x15 mud terrain
> tires. I always pay alot for my tires and now need all 4 of them and
> would like to find a better deal.
>
> Gretchen Miller
> F150 4x4
> Hubby
> f150 2x4 and 87 toyota celica

Try picking up Motr Trend magazine and look in it for the Tire Rack it
has a 2 page ad and their prices are great!


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