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fordtrucks80up-digest Digest Volume 97 : Issue 14

Today's Topics:

Re: '87 Bronco II Rear Antilock Ligh [Beecko aol.com ]
Re: E-350 Heater-AC blower motor [Beecko aol.com ]
Admin news [Ken Payne ]
2.3L Ranger [CaptaiNemo
Re: 2.3L Ranger ["Evan & Teresa"
FORD COSTOMER SERVICE [meadjr minotafb.ndak.net ]
A/C Converter Kit-92 F-150 ["Nancy J. Davis"
Re: FORD COSTOMER SERVICE [Bill Morgan
Re: E-350 Heater-AC blower motor [Randy Zeilinger
Re: A/C Converter Kit-92 F-150 [trichard3 juno.com (TYRONE AL RICHA]
Re: FORD COSTOMER SERVICE [trichard3 juno.com (TYRONE AL RICHA]
Re: 2.3L Ranger [trichard3 juno.com (TYRONE AL RICHA]
Re: 2.3L Ranger [Don Grossman ]
Lowering a 95 Ranger [cwalker ramlink.net (Ed Walker) ]
Help [beverly hake ]
Re: FORD COSTOMER SERVICE [Thomas Herbst ]
RE: FORD CUSTOMER SERVICE [Phord4x4 aol.com ]
Re: Lowering a 95 Ranger [Chris Kelly ]

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Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 04:43:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: Beecko aol.com
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: Re: '87 Bronco II Rear Antilock Light/Temperature Gauge
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i had the same prob w my 94 ford it was the dump valve sensor $70 bucks

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Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 04:54:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: Beecko aol.com
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: Re: E-350 Heater-AC blower motor
Message-ID:

i had a simular problem with mine, it turned out that i had a pice of paper
stuck in it, it fell into it by having too much stuff in the glove box, one
day it blew out

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Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 11:36:08 -0400
From: Ken Payne
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: Admin news
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I've recently started receiving junk email again - something
that hasn't happened in months. I don't post to the newsgroups
with my email address (it has *spamremove* in the address name)
yet suddenly I'm receiving a ton of it again.

Where is this all leading and what does it have to do with the
Ford Truck Enthusiasts? Well, since our web site is coming
"online" with several search engines it appears that my address
is probably being pulled off the web pages by the new generation
of web spambots.

In addition to my address, addresses belonging to several of our
members are on the pictorial pages. I'm going to add *spamremove*
to all the addresses on the website in order to give spam
protection to our members.

As a side note, most of the time our web server is pretty
responsive, sometimes its snail pace slow. Dragonfire Internet
Services is looking into performance improvements so it will
eventually get better.

Modifications to the web site will begin this evening. In the
works: private list members only section on the web pages (will be
password protected). Please let me know what you would like to
see there.

Now returning you to our regularly scheduled program.....

-Ken
1967 Ford F100, 390FE V8
List Maintainer, send comments or suggestions to: kpayne mindspring.com
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Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 10:40:45 -0800
From: CaptaiNemo
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: 2.3L Ranger
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I'm new to the list--some of you may know me from the FORDNATICS list.
I've got a '70 Chevelle (ahhhh!) I was born
Ford, and I'm returning...the Chabelle was my first car, and I
really enjoyed tweaking it to the point of a coupla tickets (sound
familiar?)
SO, the switch is to a four-banger Ranger (for insurance--20 yr old).
The rings are shot, and I've got the 2.3 out of the truck. I will
definately be tweaking this baby --not much to hoot and holler about,
but if I'm gonna hafta drive it, it's gonna be UP TO PAR!
I'll be learning alot, a good friend of mine owns a
machine shop, and he's volunteered to show me how... Standard
port/polish, balance, blueprint...like I said, not your standard
performance fare (engine-wise), but I intend to have fun learnin
and tweakin. Any suggestions on performance upgrades for it???I'll
be making a new airbox assy, filter, etc. for it... It's gonna
be a blast!
I really wanted a 5.0 conversion, but once I saw all the adaptors/
mods required...UGH. Not ready for that time/money hassle right now.
I'm not sure if it has MAF or SD. On the wiring diag in Probst's book,
it has "MAF" on the page for an '88-'91 model Ranger...does this mean
it is MAF? I think so...my 8th VIN character is A. Does MAF refer
to mass air, and does MAP refer to speed density?
I don't expect that great of performance
out of it. But if I am forced (by my own friggin heavy foot) to
get a 4 cyl, I'm going to tweak it too...

Any hints/tips/suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,

Josh --> '88 FDR (Ford Danger Ranger)
'70 Ch belle

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Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 08:59:16 -0700
From: "Evan & Teresa"
To:
Subject: Re: 2.3L Ranger
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drop a v6 into it and with the money you save put a tranny in too
evan

----------
> From: CaptaiNemo
> To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
> Subject: 2.3L Ranger
> Date: Sunday, March 02, 1997 11:40 AM
>
> I'm new to the list--some of you may know me from the FORDNATICS list.
> I've got a '70 Chevelle (ahhhh!) I was born
> Ford, and I'm returning...the Chabelle was my first car, and I
> really enjoyed tweaking it to the point of a coupla tickets (sound
> familiar?)
> SO, the switch is to a four-banger Ranger (for insurance--20 yr old).
> The rings are shot, and I've got the 2.3 out of the truck. I will
> definately be tweaking this baby --not much to hoot and holler about,
> but if I'm gonna hafta drive it, it's gonna be UP TO PAR!
> I'll be learning alot, a good friend of mine owns a
> machine shop, and he's volunteered to show me how... Standard
> port/polish, balance, blueprint...like I said, not your standard
> performance fare (engine-wise), but I intend to have fun learnin
> and tweakin. Any suggestions on performance upgrades for it???I'll
> be making a new airbox assy, filter, etc. for it... It's gonna
> be a blast!
> I really wanted a 5.0 conversion, but once I saw all the adaptors/
> mods required...UGH. Not ready for that time/money hassle right now.
> I'm not sure if it has MAF or SD. On the wiring diag in Probst's book,
> it has "MAF" on the page for an '88-'91 model Ranger...does this mean
> it is MAF? I think so...my 8th VIN character is A. Does MAF refer
> to mass air, and does MAP refer to speed density?
> I don't expect that great of performance
> out of it. But if I am forced (by my own friggin heavy foot) to
> get a 4 cyl, I'm going to tweak it too...
>
> Any hints/tips/suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
> Thanks,
>
> Josh --> '88 FDR (Ford Danger Ranger)
> '70 Ch belle
>
>
> ____________________________________________________________________
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Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 11:32:18 PDT
From: meadjr minotafb.ndak.net
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: FORD COSTOMER SERVICE

Message-Id:

FORD does NOT care about their coustomers at all!! All they want is
to make a profit! Last year I was in Saudi when Daharan was bombed. I
was leaving the next day but I voluntered to stay until more Security
Police came in. I tried to call my wife who was driving from ND to IA to
pick me up. I finaly got a hold of my Dad who said that she had Broken
down in MN. After 2 days of trying to get her I finally got the hotel
she was in and told her that I was alive (she was really upset at not
knowing if I was ok) and found out that our Bronco's starter had died
for the 3rd time! She called the local ford dealer at 1630 and explained
what was going on. She was transfered to the service dept and put on
hold. After 10 min the line went dead so she called back again she was
put on hold and the line went dead. The third time she called at 1650
NOBODY answerd the phone. This was a Friday and who knows Golf is very
important vs customer service! She called a GoodYear shop and they went
out of their way (EXCELENT) to help her! When I got home I wrote FORD a
leter requesting that they pay for the starter and her hotel bill as the
dealer in MN was very rude and everything that happened. The return
letter said Oh well they cant be held accountable for what their dealers
did and they dont think that the dealer did that at all! Call me a LIAR
will you! and they are not responsible for what a 92 Bronco does after
the warenty is up!
DON'T BY FORD!!!!!!!!! THEY WANT YOUR MONEY AND DONT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT
YOU!!!!
You can bet that when I can afford it Dodge is going to get my money
next time!
If you need service try GOODYEAR they went out of their way to help my
wife when she was having problems!
The only Ford dealer/shop I ever had a enjoyable time with was the one
in MOAB UT. THEY are truly EXCELENT!!!! and this was when my fuel pump was accting up in +120 heat. They could not fix it as they were booked solid but they went out of their way to explain and let us know how to get back home with it still working!

JJ

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Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 09:33:53 -0700
From: "Nancy J. Davis"
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: A/C Converter Kit-92 F-150
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We have the original A/C unit in our 1992 Ford F-150 Flareside.
However, have leakinthe compssor, and l other problems with the A/C
system. We've had an estimate to repair it for $800.00.

However, the system is the type that takes freon (and of course, by now
it's all gone and no one will refill it.)

We know that this type of freon system is no longer being used or
installed, and we understand that there is a new converter kit for Ford
vehicles A/C's (at a substantially less cost).

Does anyone know if they have one out yet for this year Ford F-150
(1992), and if so, has anyone done the conversion, what did it cost, any
tips, any other places to get it besides Ford dealerships, etc.?

Thanks for any responses. Live in sunny Southern California, and it's
heating up here... kinda hot driving, plus camp a lot and trek is tiring
without A/C.

Nancy
nancyjd ix.netcom.com

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Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 15:48:52 -0500
From: Bill Morgan
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: Re: FORD COSTOMER SERVICE
Message-ID:

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meadjr minotafb.ndak.net wrote:
>
> FORD does NOT care about their coustomers at all!! All they want is
> to make a profit! Last year I was in Saudi when Daharan was bombed. I
> was leaving the next day but I voluntered to stay until more Security
> Police came in. I tried to call my wife who was driving from ND to IA to
> pick me up. I finaly got a hold of my Dad who said that she had Broken
> down in MN. After 2 days of trying to get her I finally got the hotel
> she was in and told her that I was alive (she was really upset at not
> knowing if I was ok) and found out that our Bronco's starter had died
> for the 3rd time! She called the local ford dealer at 1630 and explained
> what was going on. She was transfered to the service dept and put on
> hold. After 10 min the line went dead so she called back again she was
> put on hold and the line went dead. The third time she called at 1650
> NOBODY answerd the phone. This was a Friday and who knows Golf is very
> important vs customer service! She called a GoodYear shop and they went
> out of their way (EXCELENT) to help her! When I got home I wrote FORD a
> leter requesting that they pay for the starter and her hotel bill as the
> dealer in MN was very rude and everything that happened. The return
> letter said Oh well they cant be held accountable for what their dealers
> did and they dont think that the dealer did that at all! Call me a LIAR
> will you! and they are not responsible for what a 92 Bronco does after
> the warenty is up!
> DON'T BY FORD!!!!!!!!! THEY WANT YOUR MONEY AND DONT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT
> YOU!!!!
> You can bet that when I can afford it Dodge is going to get my money
> next time!
> If you need service try GOODYEAR they went out of their way to help my
> wife when she was having problems!
> The only Ford dealer/shop I ever had a enjoyable time with was the one
> in MOAB UT. THEY are truly EXCELENT!!!! and this was when my fuel pump was accting up in +120 heat. They could not fix it as they were booked
solid but they we
>
> JJ
>
> ____________________________________________________________________
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> Comments and suggestions are welcome, use: kpayne mindspring.comWhoa, wait a minute there friend,
Regardless of make, there are dealers out there who are not customer
oriented. Its a sad fact and manufacturer's are hard pressed to reign in
the bad apples, especially if they have proven in the past to be
non-responsive to factory nudges. Just as you found a dealer in UT that
took good care of you, your wife found one in MN who didn't take care of
her ( at a very inopertune time, I might add). The factory owed you a
better response, but they are generally pen and paper pushers covering
their own behinds. If you think you'll have a better experience at
Chrysler, I think you owe it to yourself to give it a whirl. But every
experience is only as good as the people you're dealing with and it
sounds as if your wife ran into some real losers
--
MZ

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Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 20:21:23 -0400
From: Randy Zeilinger
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: Re: E-350 Heater-AC blower motor
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Lehmandp aol.com wrote:
>
>
> In the meantime, I did get turned onto some aftermarket bolt-ons. Mainly,
> the Ford Motorsport Mass Air Conversion and full headers and exhaust system.
> May even go with the GT-40 heads, GT-40 intake manifolds, larger throttle
> body, new injectors, and roller rockers. Breath a little life into this
> paid-off 1992, F150, 5.0L, 4x4!
>
> - David Lehman

David, I'm considering the Mass Air Conversion for my 96 F150, 5.0L,
5speed, 4x4. What were the reuslts with yours?

does anybody know if this conversion is compatible with a functional ram
air hood?

Regards,
Randy Z.

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Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 20:47:18 EDT
From: trichard3 juno.com (TYRONE AL RICHARDS)
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Cc: nancyjd ix.netcom.com
Subject: Re: A/C Converter Kit-92 F-150
Message-ID:

On Sat, 31 May 1997 09:33:53 -0700 "Nancy J. Davis"
writes:
>We have the original A/C unit in our 1992 Ford F-150 Flareside.
>However, have leakinthe compssor, and l other problems with the A/C
>system. We've had an estimate to repair it for $800.00.
>
>However, the system is the type that takes freon (and of course, by
>now
>it's all gone and no one will refill it.)
>
>We know that this type of freon system is no longer being used or
>installed, and we understand that there is a new converter kit for
>Ford
>vehicles A/C's (at a substantially less cost).
>
>Does anyone know if they have one out yet for this year Ford F-150
>(1992), and if so, has anyone done the conversion, what did it cost,
>any
>tips, any other places to get it besides Ford dealerships, etc.?
>
>Thanks for any responses. Live in sunny Southern California, and it's
>heating up here... kinda hot driving, plus camp a lot and trek is
>tiring
>without A/C.
>
>Nancy
>nancyjd ix.netcom.com
>
>
>IF THE DEALERS OF FORD IN THE AREA ARE TOLD BY TELEFONE THEY CAN HELP
YOU.

REGARDS

TAR
>____________________________________________________________________
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>
>

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Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 20:47:18 EDT
From: trichard3 juno.com (TYRONE AL RICHARDS)
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Cc: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: Re: FORD COSTOMER SERVICE
Message-ID:

FORD IS AMERICAN GIVE FORD A BREAK.
YOU HAVE AN OPINION ,FRIEND, MAKE IT SHORT.
REGARDS,
TAR



On Sat, 31 May 1997 11:32:18 PDT meadjr minotafb.ndak.net writes:
>FORD does NOT care about their coustomers at all!! All they want is
>to make a profit! Last year I was in Saudi when Daharan was bombed. I
>was leaving the next day but I voluntered to stay until more Security
>Police came in. I tried to call my wife who was driving from ND to IA
>to
>pick me up. I finaly got a hold of my Dad who said that she had Broken
>down in MN. After 2 days of trying to get her I finally got the hotel
>she was in and told her that I was alive (she was really upset at not
>knowing if I was ok) and found out that our Bronco's starter had died
>for the 3rd time! She called the local ford dealer at 1630 and
>explained
>what was going on. She was transfered to the service dept and put on
>hold. After 10 min the line went dead so she called back again she was
>put on hold and the line went dead. The third time she called at 1650
>NOBODY answerd the phone. This was a Friday and who knows Golf is very
>important vs customer service! She called a GoodYear shop and they
>went
>out of their way (EXCELENT) to help her! When I got home I wrote FORD
>a
>leter requesting that they pay for the starter and her hotel bill as
>the
>dealer in MN was very rude and everything that happened. The return
>letter said Oh well they cant be held accountable for what their
>dealers
>did and they dont think that the dealer did that at all! Call me a
>LIAR
>will you! and they are not responsible for what a 92 Bronco does after
>the warenty is up!
>DON'T BY FORD!!!!!!!!! THEY WANT YOUR MONEY AND DONT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT
>YOU!!!!
>You can bet that when I can afford it Dodge is going to get my money
>next time!
>If you need service try GOODYEAR they went out of their way to help my
>wife when she was having problems!
>The only Ford dealer/shop I ever had a enjoyable time with was the one
>in MOAB UT. THEY are truly EXCELENT!!!! and this was when my fuel pump
>was accting up in +120 heat. They could not fix it as they were booked
>solid but they went out of their way to explain and let us know how to
>get back home with it still working!
>
>JJ
>
>
>
>
>____________________________________________________________________
>Message distributed via http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.lofcom.com/
>For help send subject "HELP" to:fordtrucks80up-request lofcom.com
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>
>

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Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 20:47:18 EDT
From: trichard3 juno.com (TYRONE AL RICHARDS)
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Cc: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: Re: 2.3L Ranger
Message-ID:

GOOD NEWS
REGARDS,
TAR

On Sat, 31 May 1997 08:59:16 -0700 "Evan & Teresa"
writes:
>drop a v6 into it and with the money you save put a tranny in too
> evan
>
>----------
>> From: CaptaiNemo
>> To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
>> Subject: 2.3L Ranger
>> Date: Sunday, March 02, 1997 11:40 AM
>>
>> I'm new to the list--some of you may know me from the FORDNATICS
>list.
>> I've got a '70 Chevelle (ahhhh!) I was born
>> Ford, and I'm returning...the Chabelle was my first car, and I
>> really enjoyed tweaking it to the point of a coupla tickets (sound
>> familiar?)
>> SO, the switch is to a four-banger Ranger (for insurance--20 yr
>old).
>> The rings are shot, and I've got the 2.3 out of the truck. I will
>> definately be tweaking this baby --not much to hoot and holler
>about,
>> but if I'm gonna hafta drive it, it's gonna be UP TO PAR!
>> I'll be learning alot, a good friend of mine owns a
>> machine shop, and he's volunteered to show me how... Standard
>> port/polish, balance, blueprint...like I said, not your standard
>> performance fare (engine-wise), but I intend to have fun learnin
>> and tweakin. Any suggestions on performance upgrades for it???I'll
>> be making a new airbox assy, filter, etc. for it... It's gonna
>> be a blast!
>> I really wanted a 5.0 conversion, but once I saw all the adaptors/
>> mods required...UGH. Not ready for that time/money hassle right now.
>> I'm not sure if it has MAF or SD. On the wiring diag in Probst's
>book,
>> it has "MAF" on the page for an '88-'91 model Ranger...does this
>mean
>> it is MAF? I think so...my 8th VIN character is A. Does MAF refer
>> to mass air, and does MAP refer to speed density?
>> I don't expect that great of performance
>> out of it. But if I am forced (by my own friggin heavy foot) to
>> get a 4 cyl, I'm going to tweak it too...
>>
>> Any hints/tips/suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Josh --> '88 FDR (Ford Danger Ranger)
>> '70 Ch belle
>>
>>
>> ____________________________________________________________________
>> Message distributed via http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.lofcom.com/
>> For help send subject "HELP" to:fordtrucks80up-request lofcom.com
>> Comments and suggestions are welcome, use: kpayne mindspring.com
>
>
>____________________________________________________________________
>Message distributed via http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.lofcom.com/
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>
>

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Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 19:00:03 +0000
From: Don Grossman
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: Re: 2.3L Ranger
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Hey Tyrone

Quit YELLING! Our eyes can hear pretty good even with glasses.

Thanks
--
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net

It's hard to do 90 on a speed limit budget.......

65 Ford F-150 4x4 (soon to be 72 Mustang)
63 Ford F-250 4x4

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Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 03:59:21 GMT
From: cwalker ramlink.net (Ed Walker)
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: Lowering a 95 Ranger
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Has anyone lowered a 93-97 ranger using dropped I beams and a flip
kit? Any problems ? Any expereince with Godfather Customs in
Georgia,and their kits? TIA ED

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Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 23:56:39 -0400
From: beverly hake
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: Help
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I don't know if you remember me or not. I have the 94 Ford F-150 with
the gas tank problem. One reader gave me some advice that I hadn't
tried yet, but it didn't check-out.
On my dual tanks, the front tank acted like it had bad gas-the check
engine light came on and off and power was slow.
I found the answer and it was a simple one.
I had put a bugshield on the hood right after I bought the truck. For
the hood to shut properly, I had to raise the hood some until the latch
would catch. Water had been leaking in the engine from the slightly
raised hood.
I took the bugshield off to test gas-mileage difference, and had to
lower the hood again. We took a 2,000 mile round-trip over Memorial Day
and we hit a lot of rain in the mountains and other places and no
problem with the tanks or engine.
I've read some people had similar problems to mine--do you have a
bugshield or have raised the hood slightly for other reasons?
It worked for me!
P.S. The gas mileage improved from 13.9 to 15.6.

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Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 20:57:59 -0700
From: Thomas Herbst
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Cc: herbst cisco.com
Subject: Re: FORD COSTOMER SERVICE
Message-Id:
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My short opinion is that Ford gets no breaks for
being American. I just bought a new ford truck
because I thought it was the best combination of
utility, quality and value. My dollar goes to those
meeting those criteria. Buying American even when
it isn't the best is encouraging the companies to
produce crap and assuming that Americans are unable
to compete in a global economy.

Referencing the below situation -- it seems
rather not Minnesotian. The service guy not
picking up the phone is largely the work (or not-work)
of one person, not that of a multi-billion dollar
public corporation. If this particular service
guy had gotten at your truck with a wrench you likely
wouldn't have been very happy with the results anyway
(work ethic of a sloth and all). You should be happy
it was fixed by someone who gave a damn.

tom

At 08:47 PM 5/31/97 EDT, you wrote:
>
>
>FORD IS AMERICAN GIVE FORD A BREAK.
>YOU HAVE AN OPINION ,FRIEND, MAKE IT SHORT.
>REGARDS,
>TAR
>
>
>
>On Sat, 31 May 1997 11:32:18 PDT meadjr minotafb.ndak.net writes:
>>FORD does NOT care about their coustomers at all!! All they want is
>>to make a profit! Last year I was in Saudi when Daharan was bombed. I
>>was leaving the next day but I voluntered to stay until more Security
>>Police came in. I tried to call my wife who was driving from ND to IA
>>to
>>pick me up. I finaly got a hold of my Dad who said that she had Broken
>>down in MN. After 2 days of trying to get her I finally got the hotel
>>she was in and told her that I was alive (she was really upset at not
>>knowing if I was ok) and found out that our Bronco's starter had died
>>for the 3rd time! She called the local ford dealer at 1630 and
>>explained
>>what was going on. She was transfered to the service dept and put on
>>hold. After 10 min the line went dead so she called back again she was
>>put on hold and the line went dead. The third time she called at 1650
>>NOBODY answerd the phone. This was a Friday and who knows Golf is very
>>important vs customer service! She called a GoodYear shop and they
>>went
>>out of their way (EXCELENT) to help her! When I got home I wrote FORD
>>a
>>leter requesting that they pay for the starter and her hotel bill as
>>the
>>dealer in MN was very rude and everything that happened. The return
>>letter said Oh well they cant be held accountable for what their
>>dealers
>>did and they dont think that the dealer did that at all! Call me a
>>LIAR
>>will you! and they are not responsible for what a 92 Bronco does after
>>the warenty is up!
>>DON'T BY FORD!!!!!!!!! THEY WANT YOUR MONEY AND DONT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT
>>YOU!!!!
>>You can bet that when I can afford it Dodge is going to get my money
>>next time!
>>If you need service try GOODYEAR they went out of their way to help my
>>wife when she was having problems!
>>The only Ford dealer/shop I ever had a enjoyable time with was the one
>>in MOAB UT. THEY are truly EXCELENT!!!! and this was when my fuel pump
>>was accting up in +120 heat. They could not fix it as they were booked
>>solid but they went out of their way to explain and let us know how to
>>get back home with it still working!
>>
>>JJ
>>
>>
>>
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Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 00:40:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: Phord4x4 aol.com
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: RE: FORD CUSTOMER SERVICE
Message-ID:

What does Ford being American have to do with it? Isn't Timothy McVeigh an
American also?

Sorry to hear about your problem with the Ford dealership. In my own
experience with a broken timing chain at 42K and bad service at my local
dealership, Ford was very helpful. Ford recommended another dealership in my
area and the problem was taken care of. Ford is still working with me to
take care of the warrenty issue. Hope you dont give up on a good company
just because of one bad egg in the basket.

TW

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Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 09:49:41 -0400
From: Chris Kelly
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Lowering a 95 Ranger....


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