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fordtrucks80up-digest Digest Volume 97 : Issue 13

Today's Topics:

Re: fordtrucks80up-digest Digest V97 [Bill Funk ]
Re: Adding Fuel Injection to a '83 3 [onnie lynn winebarger
E-350 Heater-AC blower motor [Paul Laughlin
RE: Adding Fuel Injection to a '83 3 ["DAVID MUMMERY"
Re: E-350 Heater-AC blower motor [Ken Miller
Re: E-350 Heater-AC blower motor [Paul Laughlin
Re: Adding Fuel Injection to a '83 3 [trichard3 juno.com (TYRONE AL RICHA]
Re: 1992 F150 Flareside Electrical [trichard3 juno.com (TYRONE AL RICHA]
Re: '87 Bronco II Rear Antilock Ligh [trichard3 juno.com (TYRONE AL RICHA]
Re: E-350 Heater-AC blower motor [Lehmandp aol.com ]
Re: E-350 Heater-AC blower motor [Paul Laughlin
Re: 1992 F150 Flareside Electrical [Beecko aol.com ]

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Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 23:21:24 -0700
From: Bill Funk
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>
> Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 12:58:33 -0500
> From: cableeng vt.edu (Douglas Minnick, Television Engr. WD4BSB)
> Subject: "Ford don't never"
>
> I want to install dual exhausts on an 80-F150 351w. I'm told that Ford has never
> put duals on their pickups. True? I live in Virginia and state inspections
> are tuff to get around, any suggestions (no, don't want to split after muffler
> or any of that other make do stuff, I want the efficiency and torque of a
> true dual system).
>
> Can one of you EPA types comment, I want to use headers, twin converters and
> mufflers. Now, Aint dis cleaner dan de ol'factory singel pipe? Looks like there
> should be a way for a guy to accomplish this without joining Tim McVay and crew
> (Its just a bad joke, OK).
>
> Douglas Minnick, WD4BSB

The Feds don't care, as long as you have a converter on each side.
The trick is your state regs.
You will need to find out what their rules actually say. For example,
CA. says you can't deviate from stock exhaust style, regardless of
whether duals would be cleaner. If it came stock with single exhaust, it
stays that way.
Virginia's rules will prevail, so you need to find what they are.
Good luck.

--
Bill Funk
President, ASCII User Group
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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 09:52:49 -0500 (EST)
From: onnie lynn winebarger
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Adding Fuel Injection to a '83 351W
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On Wed, 28 May 1997, TYRONE AL RICHARDS wrote:

> why not get a new truck?
> tar
> you deserve it at this time . from 1990 to 97 . think about it.
>
>

Cause I bought this '83 Econoline 150 van for $850. Obviously I've
had to do some repairs, but it's an enjoyable project for me.
TO get back to the original subject, does anyone know if the multipoint
injection intake manifold will even fit on a 351W in an '83 Econoline?
The diagrams I've seen look like the upper intake manifold is pretty
high, but they show the ones for the 302.

Lynn

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Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 07:01:03 -0700
From: Paul Laughlin
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I have an 87 E-350 van. After about 10 minutes operation, the heater-AC
blower motor develops a high pitched whine. I am assuming that the
bearings are going. Does anyone have experience (or a book) with
replacing the blower motor? I would like to have some idea of what is
involved before taking it to the shop. Would even consider doing the
job myself, if it is not too involved. Kind of got to me the other day,
when I had a Ford dealer replace a defective Temperature sender. They
charged me $90.00 for the job. Makes a person almost paranoid. Paul in
Portland OR

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Date: Thu, 29 May 97 22:18:22 UT
From: "DAVID MUMMERY"
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: RE: Adding Fuel Injection to a '83 351W
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Subject: Re: Adding Fuel Injection to a '83 351W



On Wed, 28 May 1997, TYRONE AL RICHARDS wrote:

> why not get a new truck?
> tar
> you deserve it at this time . from 1990 to 97 . think about it.
>
>

Cause I bought this '83 Econoline 150 van for $850. Obviously I've
had to do some repairs, but it's an enjoyable project for me.
TO get back to the original subject, does anyone know if the multipoint
injection intake manifold will even fit on a 351W in an '83 Econoline?
The diagrams I've seen look like the upper intake manifold is pretty
high, but they show the ones for the 302.

Lynn
Lynn, the thing to do is get the injection unit and computer out of a newer
truck with a 351. All the truck motors now tha are 351's are w's not c's or
m's. This should work for you. To my knowledge the new motors have the same
physical dimensions of the older. The one thing to check is the ports in the
heads I believe they are the same but check that out. Best place to look is a
high quality bone yard. It won't be cheep. Also the upper manifold is rather
tall just like the ones on the 302. I believe they have the same uppers. It is
the lower manifold tha changes. Just make sure you have enough clearance. Good
Luck
Scott Mummery
1996 F350 Crew Cab 4x4 w/7.3L power stroke
1995 F150 Flare Side Super Cab 4x4 w/5.8L


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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 17:44:17
From: Ken Miller
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Subject: Re: E-350 Heater-AC blower motor
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At 07:01 AM 5/28/97 -0700, you wrote:
>I have an 87 E-350 van. After about 10 minutes operation, the heater-AC
>blower motor develops a high pitched whine.

I know what you mean. My 86 F250 heater-A/C motor started having the same
problem about 2 years ago when I lived in a colder climate. I was about
ready to replace it. However, not that this helps your problem, by ever
since I moved to a warmer climate, the noise has stopped, even though I run
the A/C all the time here in Vegas.

MK
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Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 14:28:40 -0700
From: Paul Laughlin
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Ken Miller wrote:
>
> At 07:01 AM 5/28/97 -0700, you wrote:
> >I have an 87 E-350 van. After about 10 minutes operation, the
> heater-AC
> >blower motor develops a high pitched whine.
>
> I know what you mean. My 86 F250 heater-A/C motor started
> having the same
> problem about 2 years ago when I lived in a colder climate. I was
> about
> ready to replace it. However, not that this helps your problem, by
> ever
> since I moved to a warmer climate, the noise has stopped, even though
> I run
> the A/C all the time here in Vegas.
>
Actually I was a bit premature with the maessage. Found a book today
that tells how to do it and it is relatively easy. In fact I bought the
blower motor this afternoon. A bit of sticker shock on that--$158.00.
There is a big round cover under the right side of the dash. four or
five screws to remove it, then three bolts to remove the blower and
disconnect two wires (plugs). Then reverse. Looks like a piece of
cake. I know about the AC in Vegas. I spent a year there in '67-'68.
Retired from the Air Force at Nellis. Paul

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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 01:47:56 EDT
From: trichard3 juno.com (TYRONE AL RICHARDS)
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
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Subject: Re: Adding Fuel Injection to a '83 351W
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On Thu, 29 May 1997 09:52:49 -0500 (EST) onnie lynn winebarger
writes:
>
>
>On Wed, 28 May 1997, TYRONE AL RICHARDS wrote:
>
>> why not get a new truck?
>> tar
>> you deserve it at this time . from 1990 to 97 . think about it.
>>
>>
>
> Cause I bought this '83 Econoline 150 van for $850. Obviously I've
>
>had to do some repairs, but it's an enjoyable project for me.
> TO get back to the original subject, does anyone know if the
>multipoint
>injection intake manifold will even fit on a 351W in an '83 Econoline?
>The diagrams I've seen look like the upper intake manifold is pretty
>high, but they show the ones for the 302.
>
>Lynn
>
>
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>I believe the project will work . Do they have a Discount Auto Store
close by? Call today you will be happy.
regards
tar.

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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 01:47:56 EDT
From: trichard3 juno.com (TYRONE AL RICHARDS)
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Cc: kpayne mindspring.com
Subject: Re: 1992 F150 Flareside Electrical
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On Wed, 28 May 1997 20:27:16 -0400 Randy Zeilinger
writes:
>Ken Payne wrote:
>>
>> Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 11:14:11 -0700
>> From: "Nancy J. Davis"
>> Reply-To: nancyjd ix.netcom.com
>> To: fordtruck80up lofcom.com
>> Subject: 1992 F-150 Flareside Electrical
>>
>> Read with interest the problem with the Bronco battery. Consider
>> yourself lucky, thus far, if you can get the battery to last two
>years.
>>
>> I'm still trying to find the cause and solution to an electrical
>problem
>> I'm having with my 1992 Ford F-150 Flareside. Bought it used in
>1995,
>> with original battery. It was/is a beauty of a truck (looks like
>brand
>> new).
>>
>> Anyway, the battery has died on us 15 times since early February.
>We've
>> put in five (5) batteries since November, 1996 (Replaced the
>original
>> 1992 battery in May of 1996). It's been at two Ford dealerships and
>a
>> Unocal Mechanic, all who can't find the problem. The Ford
>Dealership
>> checked the charging system, extensively. They told us it was the
>> aftermarket alarm system, so we had it taken out, and a Ford
>approved
>> keyless entry system installed by one of their vendors. (Of course,
>the
>> doors now lock automatically after about 5 minutes.... with the
>engine
>> off.... which we don't think it should do, should it?
>>
>> They even took out 10 fuses (including the one that lights up the
>> dashlights, blinkers, etc.) and had us drive the truck without them.
> It
>> didn't even last 5 days before the battery died again. They gave us
>> back the truck saying, "Yep, you have a big problem, it's even died
>on
>> us, but we don't know what the problem is or how to fix it.".
>Calling
>> Ford's Hotline has been fruitless, other than to document the
>> information. They suggested we try a different dealership, which we
>> just did. (The first dealership has been trying to find the problem
>> since Feb. 2, 1997, and they've had the truck more than we have!)
>>
>> The most recent Ford Dealership, after less than 24 hours, said
>"It's
>> the Alternator".... which of course, we'd already replaced in May,
>1996,
>> along with the Ignition switch.... so, we said "okay, right....
>everyone
>> else tested the alternator and said it was fine.... but if YOU think
>> that's the problem, replace it, and guarantee it'll fix the problem
>or
>> you'll give us our money back...." They agreed, so now we're
>waiting to
>> see how long the truck will run.
>>
>> Anyone with any similiar problems, insight for PROPER solution and
>> repair, answers as to whether or not the keyless entry systems
>should
>> automatically lock the doors after 5 or 10 minutes or so... would
>love
>> to hear from you!
>>
>> nancyjd ix.netcom.com
>>
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>
>It could be the GEM module. That is if the 92's use the GEMS. I'll
>have to check my records at work. But the GEm module (ie brain) can
>cause a lot of problems if its starts to loose its mind.
>
>Will check further.
>Randy Z.
>
>
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>good ride.
regards
tar

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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 01:47:56 EDT
From: trichard3 juno.com (TYRONE AL RICHARDS)
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Cc: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: Re: '87 Bronco II Rear Antilock Light/Temperature Gauge
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friend , please get a new truck .
On Wed, 28 May 1997 20:23:51 -0400 Randy Zeilinger
writes:
>PDupont105 aol.com wrote:
>>
>> My '87 Bronco II's Rear Antilock dashboard light stays lit even
>though there
>> is nothing wrong with the rear antilock. I've had this checked out
>by
>> several mechanics and they all agree that there is nothing wrong
>with the
>> braking system. Has anyone heard of such a thing?
>> ALSO
>> My Temperature gauge recently stopped working. How do I determine
>what needs
>> to be replaced to correct this?
>>
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>
>It happened on my 1990 F-150. The problem was that the bottom part of
>the sending unit came loose from the top part. New unit the light
>went
>out. There was never anything wrong with the anti-lock.
>
>Same may be true for the temp.
>
>Randy Z.
>
>
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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 21:53:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: Lehmandp aol.com
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: Re: E-350 Heater-AC blower motor
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In a message dated 97-05-29 17:46:06 EDT, plaugh spiritone.com (Paul
Laughlin) writes:

....Kind of got to me the other day,
when I had a Ford dealer replace a defective Temperature sender. They
charged me $90.00 for the job. Makes a person almost paranoid. Paul in
Portland OR
>>

We must have gone to the same dealer! I ended up with a bill of over $900
for a replaced fuel pump and "tune-up". The service manager was very quick
to agree with me that a fuel pump was going bad. Ironically, the pump
sounded okay when I demonstrated it (key-on, engine off). It had sounded odd
several days earlier so I ran on the other tank. The tune-up consisted of
new plugs, filters, an Oxygen sensor, and fuel injector "flush". The
itemized invoice showed over $100 just to replace the Oxygen sensor! This is
a 5-10 minute job which I had done myself less than 10,000 miles ago!

The really sour thing was that two days later, it was surging again. Felt
like it was running out of gas. Took it to another place (non-dealer) not
wanting another whippin' (of course it's running better now). They spent two
hours diagnosis and trouble shooting and couldn't find anything wrong. They
did clear the trouble codes which the dealer did not clear. They think I may
have taken on some bad gas. Confusing though, since it occured over two
tanks worth of top-brand gas.

In the meantime, I did get turned onto some aftermarket bolt-ons. Mainly,
the Ford Motorsport Mass Air Conversion and full headers and exhaust system.
May even go with the GT-40 heads, GT-40 intake manifolds, larger throttle
body, new injectors, and roller rockers. Breath a little life into this
paid-off 1992, F150, 5.0L, 4x4!

- David Lehman

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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 14:15:13 -0700
From: Paul Laughlin
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Lehmandp aol.com wrote:
>

>
> We must have gone to the same dealer! I ended up with a bill of over
> $900
> for a replaced fuel pump and "tune-up". The service manager was very
> quick
> to agree with me that a fuel pump was going bad. Ironically, the pump
> sounded okay when I demonstrated it (key-on, engine off). It had
> sounded odd
> several days earlier so I ran on the other tank. The tune-up
> consisted of
> new plugs, filters, an Oxygen sensor, and fuel injector "flush". The
> itemized invoice showed over $100 just to replace the Oxygen sensor!
> This is
> a 5-10 minute job which I had done myself less than 10,000 miles ago!
>
> The really sour thing was that two days later, it was surging again.
> Felt
> like it was running out of gas. Took it to another place (non-dealer)
> not
> wanting another whippin' (of course it's running better now). They
> spent two
> hours diagnosis and trouble shooting and couldn't find anything wrong.
> They
> did clear the trouble codes which the dealer did not clear. They
> think I may
> have taken on some bad gas. Confusing though, since it occured over
> two
> tanks worth of top-brand gas.
>
Sometimes it takes a while to purge contamination from the tank. I went
to a different dealer to get the blower motor for my van. Got a pretty
decent discount. I replaced the blower today. It was really pretty
simple. About eight screws to get the cover off. Only a couple of them
a little difficult to access. Then four screws to remove the blower
assy and removal of the wires. The biggest problem was figuring out how
to handle the grommet around the wires. There was no new one with the
new blower, so I carefully cut through one side of the old one and
managed to get it installed oround the wires and into the hole.
Everything works OK. I just bought this E350 Class B motor home. It is
a Trans Van and has duals and a 460 engine with ,I believe, a C-6
transmission. I think I have gotten everything working OK now. Paul

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Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 04:42:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: Beecko aol.com
To: fordtrucks80up ....

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