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fordtrucks80up-digest DigestVolume 97 : Issue 50

Today's Topics:

dual tank overflow [belfast4 juno.com (Dennis M Sloan) ]
Re: dual tank overflow ["Bruce A. Ramirez" ]
RE: Fw: engine repair [pharrell bae.uga.edu (Graphics & Re]
bug deflectors on Powerstroke trucks [ROBERT.BUBALA rrd.com ]
RE: F250 screw-up/ F150 Pricing [Larry Smeins ]
1995 4.0L Performance Mods?? ["HOBBYOKIE" ]
Re: 1995 4.0L Performance Mods?? [Jordan ]
computer-removal?? [ksbdj00 tamuk.edu (Johnson Bradford]
86 tranny conversion ["John A. Hobson"
85 ford supercab flareside. [Brandon Hill
Re: 1995 4.0L Performance Mods?? [Rick Horwitz ]
85 Bronco II Performance Tips ["Frank Hayden"
ATF in Standard tranny [Chris Kelly ]
Fw: engine repair ["Frank P. Martin, III"
sticker price [Edward A Arkin
Re: bug deflectors on Powerstroke tr [Gizmow swbell.net ]
AOD not working [mrkrispy webtv.net (Ian Holter) ]
Re: ATF in Standard tranny [Rick Horwitz ]
Re: bug deflectors on Powerstroke tr [DanHolmes9 aol.com ]
Powerstroke Oil, Fuel filters [Gizmow swbell.net ]
Re: 1995 4.0L Performance Mods?? [Mike Krause ]

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 01:21:31 -0400
From: belfast4 juno.com (Dennis M Sloan)
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: dual tank overflow
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I have a 1990 f350 dual tank pickup truck. When I use front tank the
rear tank overflows. Why is this happening & what are my options?
Thank you
Dennis
I was wrong once, but I was mistaken

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 06:17:55 -0400
From: "Bruce A. Ramirez"
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Dennis M Sloan wrote:
>
> I have a 1990 f350 dual tank pickup truck. When I use front tank
> the
> rear tank overflows. Why is this happening & what are my options?
> Thank you
> Dennis
> I was wrong once, but I was mistaken
>
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On the Ford Truck web page, there is a link to the National Highway
Traffic Safety Administration. Search the Recall Database for your
truck. It will show you all recalls for your truck. There is a recall
for that problem.

Bruce Ramirez
'91 F-150 4x4
'94 E-250

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 97 08:04:36 EDT
From: pharrell bae.uga.edu (Graphics & Research Fabrication)
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: RE: Fw: engine repair
Message-Id:

Others have addressed where to find the repair specs. I'd like to suggest
that the oil pouring from the back of the engine could just be coming from a
bad rear main oil seal. Easy to fix and cheaper than an unnecessary rebuild.
Does the oil appear to be coming from the transmission housing?

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> I am thinking about doing my own work to remove-replace the head on my 81
> Courier. It is pouring oil down the back of the engine and it does not
> appear to be coming fromthe valve cover gasket.
>
> My biggest question is, "What are the torque specs and in what order
should
> I tighten the head bolts?"
>
> jak

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 10:01:32 -0500
From: ROBERT.BUBALA rrd.com
To: "fordtrucks80up(a)lofcom.com"
Subject: bug deflectors on Powerstroke trucks
Message-Id:

In response to the message below, I am very interested in this topic
too. I am going to be getting my 97 Powerstroke in next week, and was
planning to put a bug deflector on right away. If anyone has info on
this, please let me know. I would really appreciate it. Does anyone
know any specifics on that TSB from Ford?

Thanks

Robert Bubala
robert.bubala rrd.com

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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 21:01:13 -0400
From: jlester naxs.com (Jason Lester)
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: Bug Deflector
Message-Id:
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I was reading through some web pages a couple of days ago and noticed
that

someone mentioned a Ford TSB on not using bug deflectors on
Powerstrokes
because of where the air intake is located. I can see where it may
cause a
problem with air flow. Does anyone know of a deflector that doesn't
block
the intake and is Ford approved? I've always put them on my other
trucks
for bugs, rocks, and looks. My new truck is black, so I definitely
don't
want any scratches or bugs, but also don't want to air-starve the
engine.

Thanks,
Jason

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 10:51:43 -0600
From: Larry Smeins
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: RE: F250 screw-up/ F150 Pricing
Message-Id:

>Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 23:58:06 -0400 (EDT)
>From: Ducks4jim aol.com
>To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
>Subject: Re: F250 Crewcab screw-up and F-150 question
>Message-ID:
>
>Hi Group
>
>
> There appears to be a major difference in pricing between
Ford >dealers
>in different areas. The pickup i bought in ID was STICKER
PRICED 5K >higher in
>Reno. I think this kind of markup is B___shit. Same goes for
any other >areas
>where markup is so high.Have other people encountered the same
thing?

> ------------------------------
>
Back in '95' when I was shopping for my truck I found pricing
differences to be even more subtle. I made up a detailed option list,
including option number, of the truck I wanted and started presenting it
to dealers to get their bid. Of course each salesman went into the
backroom to get a computer printout of the price breakdown. Apparently
Ford had a pricing service and all dealers printouts looked the same. I
live about 50 miles north of Denver and found that the closer I got to
Denver the higher the price for identical trucks. The differences
weren't big but definitely enough to notice. Somehow there apparently
was a marketing area markup built into the computer pricing system and
was hidden from the purchaser. That difference plus the willingness to
deal from the computer pricing led me away from Denver. The two best
prices I found were in Cheyenne, Wyo. (100 miles North of Denver) and
Sterling, Co. (120 miles NE of Denver). They were within $200 of each
other and Sterling had a truck in stock that came near enough to what I
wanted. I saved nearly $1,000 by going the way I did. I also got my
Ford for $4,000 less than the best price on a Dodge and I got a better
truck.

Area pricing is not unique to Ford. Recently my wife decided
she wanted a GEO Tracker or Jeep. Trackers in Denver had a significant
add on to the sticker for the area and Jeeps just 12 miles down the road
in Ft. Collins had a $600 add on that wasn't in the price in the town
where I live.

Caveat emptor!

Larry
If you don't care where you are, you ain't lost.

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 13:23:54 -0500
From: "HOBBYOKIE"
To:
Subject: 1995 4.0L Performance Mods??
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I have a 1995 Explorer 2Dr Sport with AOD and the 4.0L. I have been told
that there are street legal performance parts available for the 4.0L.
Anybody done any of this? Any articles that address this question? Thanks
for the feedback.

Bill

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 17:09:18 -0500
From: Jordan
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: Re: 1995 4.0L Performance Mods??
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>I have a 1995 Explorer 2Dr Sport with AOD and the 4.0L. I have been told
>that there are street legal performance parts available for the 4.0L.
>Anybody done any of this? Any articles that address this question? Thanks
>for the feedback.
>
I would also be interested in info on mods of a 1993 4.0 engine like a K&N
or chips and maybe dual exhaust????
can you tell a diff.??

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 17:26:37 -0500 (CDT)
From: ksbdj00 tamuk.edu (Johnson Bradford Durkee)
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: computer-removal??
Message-Id:
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All right Guys, question;
How in the Heak do you get the computer out of the kick panel on a 95
f-150 ? I got the parking brake off but can't get the Freeking computer
out. I got a new chip hypertech) and would like to try it out ...Any
ideas. I hope someone has done it (please)....
Brad Johnson
Houston, Texas------ksbdj00 tamuk.edu

Texas A& I Kingsville, Texas

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 18:29:10 -0400
From: "John A. Hobson"
To: "'fordtrucks80up lofcom.com'"
Subject: 86 tranny conversion
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I have an "86 F-150 4x4 with a 300 cubic inch 6 cylinder and a 4 speed
(3 speed with overdrive) transmission. The transmission unit is a Ford
and the transfer case is a New Process. My tranny is shot, and I have
had a devil of a time finding a decent junkyard (a.k.a. recycled) unit.
Rebuiding mine is out of the question since parts alone will run almost
$900. These units were underbuilt and have a history of going bad. The
one used unit I was able to locate turned out to have the same problems
as my old one after I dropped it into my truck.

Soooo. I decided to put in a 4 speed New Process transmission from a
'81 F-150. The '81 comes from a 4x4, 6 cylinder 300 truck. I bought the
entire truck pretty reasonably. It has a mechanical clutch and mytruck
has a hydraulic clutch. I suspect I will have to change the bell housing
because of the length to differential measurement. Hopefully the
clutch spline and the pilot bushing in flywheel will be same for both
trannies. The transfer cases are listed as interchangeable from '81
through '86 so I might catch a break and not have to use the '81
transfer case(since I know mine is in good shape).

If anyone has done this conversion and can offer me any advice to help
me avoid those time consuming pitfalls that always seem to occur in
conversions,I would appreciate your thoughts before I charge ahead with
this project.

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 17:41:04 -0500
From: Brandon Hill
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: 85 ford supercab flareside.
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I have a 85 Ford F-150 Supercab Flareside 5.0EFI, AOD, power everything.
The problem is that it has no power when i am going up hills and between
30-40 mph. I can put the pedal to the floor and it doesn't accelerate
rapidly.

Since i need a new exhaust anyways i am thinking on puting a cat back
system on it. But i can't find any aftermarket ones that fit that old of
a truck. So i might need to go to a muffler shop and have a custom
exhaust put on it. I was thinking on putting the pipes out before the
rear wheels on the passenger side like on the new 97 Fords. Has ayone
ever tryed to put the pipes out before the rear wheels on a 80-86 Ford?

Will splitfire plugs give me more power?

How about a hyperchip for that old of a truck, Because it does have fuel
injection.

Will a K&N air filter give me more power using the factory air box?


Thanks to all that will reply.

Brandon Hill
bhill Field-works.com

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 15:41:27 -0700
From: Rick Horwitz
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: Re: 1995 4.0L Performance Mods??
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Try Vanir Technologies at: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/vanirv6/vanir.htm they specialize in Ford V-6 performance and have some great products for the 4.0L.

Rick Horwitz
explorer off -road. com
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.off -road. com /4x4web/ford/explorer/


At 01:23 PM 7/28/97 -0500, you wrote:
>I have a 1995 Explorer 2Dr Sport with AOD and the 4.0L.

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 18:42:52 -0600
From: "Frank Hayden"
To:
Subject: 85 Bronco II Performance Tips
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Group,

I have just acquired an 85 Bronco II. 2.8 V-6 and a 5 speed tranny.
Being somewhat mechanically inclined, I am contemplating replacing the
intake with an Edelbrock performer or the like. Can I put a good 4 barrel
carb on it? What about headers and dualed exhaust?

Any other suggestions on performance mods, or will I be better off
replacing the engine with a late model 91-93 4.0 from an Explorer? Anyone
know the specs on the 4.0? HP and Ft Lbs torque?

Thanks for any advice.

Frank M. Hayden
US Air Force
Buckley ANGB, Colorado

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 22:06:10 -0400
From: Chris Kelly
To: trucks 80up
Subject: ATF in Standard tranny
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I was wondering if I could use an automatic transmission treatment on my
5 speed ranger? I figure that since it uses ATF than I could use a ATF
treatment! Does it work that way! I know redline sells a product for
this...just wanted to see if you guys could enlighten me some more
thanks!

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 22:23:28 -0700
From: "Frank P. Martin, III"
To:
Subject: Fw: engine repair
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You can get info for Haynes manuals by visiting www.haynes.com. I've used
them for many of my vehicles.
Most auto parts chain stores (i.e. Pep Boys) carry them.

Frank P. Martin
fpmartin usaor.net

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 20:03:57 -0700
From: Edward A Arkin
To: Ford trucks talk
Subject: sticker price
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i can't give enough thanks to kelley blue book, with the list they have
giving the invoice and msrp price lists. i got my 97 as my dealer
promised $400.00 over invoice[ + 2 fill-ups added on] the KBB had a
newer price listing than the edmunds lists [and corisponded with all the
local dealers] one can check various prices on the internet or while
at the dealer go to the fleet manager for a quote-- now that said the
dealer selling prices in my area [SF Bay Area] were $4500 - $5500 over
the MSRP. the problem with getting the truck at the lower price is one
doesn't get ^%$%$^%$ on a trade in.
Sooooo find someone to buy your truck and get it firm -- then order a
new one w/o a trade or maybe ya can find wha ya want on the lot -- they
have lots a trucks and i've 8-10 or more dealers within 25 miles
ea
85 &97 F-150's

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 22:35:04 -0500 (CDT)
From: Gizmow swbell.net
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: Re: bug deflectors on Powerstroke trucks
Message-Id:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I read the same thing as you. I took some notes on my truck before adding
a deflector, ie tach readings at certin speed, 50 to 70 mph times ect.. I
put on the VentShade Bug Deflector II ( Wal-Mart 34.99 ) and am 100%
convinces this model take no power at all from the powerstroke. I know 2
other people who have the same model and are very happy.

Good Luck

Mike

At 10:01 AM 7/28/97 -0500, you wrote:
> In response to the message below, I am very interested in this topic
> too. I am going to be getting my 97 Powerstroke in next week, and was
> planning to put a bug deflector on right away. If anyone has info on
> this, please let me know. I would really appreciate it. Does anyone
> know any specifics on that TSB from Ford?
>
> Thanks
>
> Robert Bubala
> robert.bubala rrd.com
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 21:01:13 -0400
> From: jlester naxs.com (Jason Lester)
> To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
> Subject: Bug Deflector
> Message-Id:
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> I was reading through some web pages a couple of days ago and noticed
> that
>
> someone mentioned a Ford TSB on not using bug deflectors on
> Powerstrokes
> because of where the air intake is located. I can see where it may
> cause a
> problem with air flow. Does anyone know of a deflector that doesn't
> block
> the intake and is Ford approved? I've always put them on my other
> trucks
> for bugs, rocks, and looks. My new truck is black, so I definitely
> don't
> want any scratches or bugs, but also don't want to air-starve the
> engine.
>
> Thanks,
> Jason
>
>
>____________________________________________________________________
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>

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 23:42:20 -0400
From: mrkrispy webtv.net (Ian Holter)
To: fordtrucks80up-digest lofcom.com
Subject: AOD not working
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I have a '92 F150 5.0 liter 4x4. The AOD used to work off & on. Now it
just stays off and will not go into overdrive. Could this be a sensor or
sending unit problem? Has anyone else experienced this problem. If so,
any and all info would be helpful!
Thanx Ian

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 20:58:42 -0700
From: Rick Horwitz
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: Re: ATF in Standard tranny
Message-Id:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I've been using Redline synthetic automatic transmission fluid in my 5speed Explorer now for about 40,000 miles and it seems to work very well. I change the fluid every 20,000-25,000 miles and it doesn't get nearly as dark and burned looking as the standard fluid did.

I have been thinking about trying Pro Blend automatic transmission fluid additive. They claim it will work with manual transmission vehicles that use ATF, but I would like to know what the active ingredients are before I try it.

I use my Explorer very hard. It now has 94,000 miles on it and has had the transmission rebuilt once at 35,000 and again at 58,000 miles. Hopefully the sythentic fluid will help it live a longer life.

Rick


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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 00:17:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: DanHolmes9 aol.com
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: Re: bug deflectors on Powerstroke trucks
Message-ID:

If you are looking for a Ford approved bugshield, and want one that
won't restrict air flow, try getting one from your Ford dealer. They sell
them for F-150s, Rangers, and Explorers, so I assume that they also sell them
for the 350s also. They're pretty good lookin' too, the best I have seen.

Daniel Holmes
DanHolmes9 AOL.com

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 23:46:26 -0500 (CDT)
From: Gizmow swbell.net
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: Powerstroke Oil, Fuel filters
Message-Id:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Ok folks!

I know I am opening a can of worms here but I need some advice!

Since buying my new Powerstroke a couple of months back I was having a hard
time deciding what oil to run. My first oil change came while I was on the
road so I went with Shell Rotella T (sp) as I couldnt find Delo 400. I
noticed it has a anti soot formula and noticed no smoke at all from my truck
while unloaded. My next change was due, so I went directly to the sorce as
I felt my local Ford dealer didnt know a whole lot and basicly got his info
from the manual. I went to the local International/NAVISTAR dealerand
talked with there service manager. He explained that the version in the
Ford trucks was a tuned down version of the 444 that they put in there
medium duty trucks and was very up to date on this motor.

He said that any oil major brand oil with the proper specs would be OK ie.
Delvac, Delo 400, and Shell, but they used and recomended Delo 400 and felt
it was the best due to some test they had run on various oils. I have also
notice that most of the big rig drivers I have talked to use Delo 400. He
did strongly disagree with for on one thing.....Fuel Filter changes....He
said change the filter every other if not every oil change.....30K miles was
way too long, as the motor only used about 10% of the fuel that went into
the fuel bowl, the rest was re-circulated and pumped back in again so the
fuel pumps on the Powerstroke get a real work out.

So this oil change I went to Delo 400, but now I notice a little black smoke
now...mostly when I change gears ( a manual tranny) . Not alot but just a
puff when I change gears....It didnt do it with the Rotella T.

So Does this make the Rotella T a better oil? Or is the minor smoke no
problem and the Delo 400 all that everyone says it is?

Also taking his advice I changed the fuel filter. I first bought a Fram.
After taking the filter out of the truck on compairing it to the Fram I
jumped in my other car and took it back. The gasket on the bottom of the
Fram was not beveled like the motorcraft. It just didnt look like it would
seal as well. Also the Fram didnt snap into the cap like to motorcraft
did...The # on the filter said it was for my truck but it didnt look
anything like to one that came out. I did find a NAPA filter that seemed to
match. Anyone else have this problem??

Also has anyone used the new Mobil 1 filters.....There about 4$ more than
the Motorcraft but there claim to be the best on the market

What do you think???


Mike

Gizmow ....


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