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fordtrucks80up-digest DigestVolume 97 : Issue 42

Today's Topics:

Re: IMPORTANT ADMIN NEWS, PLEASE REA ["chita" ]
Re: Minor Power Mods for 1991 F-150 ["S. Spaulding"
Re:2.0L and 2.3L Swap ["warren" ]
Re: IMPORTANT ADMIN NEWS, PLEASE REA [Ken Payne ]
Re: Which is better? (suspension 87 [Ken Payne ]
New 1999 F350 Powerforce photos [Ken Payne ]
Re: F-350 Extended Cab? [jlester naxs.com (Jason Lester) ]
Re: 1997 F350 [Ducks4jim aol.com ]
Wanted; Rebuilt 7.3 Diesel [zeb utalk.org (Lamar Zabielski) ]
Tech Serv Bullitins [Edward A Arkin
Re: Tech Serv Bullitins [Gizmow swbell.net ]
Re: Minor Power Mods for 1991 F-150 [LarryAll aol.com ]
peelin paint [Croth2 aol.com ]
Re: peelin paint [STATX5 aol.com ]
Re: peelin paint [Bill Coates ]
gear ratio [brett ]
Re: gear ratio [Peter and Sarah Bridge
Powerstroke Oil [Ken Miller
Re: gear ratio [CRock21 aol.com ]
LOCK-RIGHT [ksbdj00 tamuk.edu (Johnson Bradford]
1994 ranger problem [Kenneth Overton ]

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 20:20:31 -0700
From: "chita"
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> From: Ken Payne
> To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
> Subject: IMPORTANT ADMIN NEWS, PLEASE READ
> Date: Tuesday, July 15, 1997 7:12 PM
>
> Yesterday I received an email from one of the largest Ford antique
> parts companies. They would like to distribute their catalog, free
> of charge, to anyone on our list who is interested.
>
> In addition, there was an offer to promote them on our web site.

I think it's a great idea! As long as nothing narrows the editorial
content. That is, sooner or later, someone on the list will have some sort
of futz with this company ( I don't care if it's Mother Theresa - sooner or
later, there will be a misunderstanding, etc.) and I want to have faith
that none of that will ever be shut up or pushed under the rug.

I never mind dealing with someone who belongs to the same "club" or group.
What I mind is when they impose on that friendly atmosphere to take
advantage. There are risks on both sides.

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Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 04:28:31 -0700
From: "S. Spaulding"
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Minor Power Mods for 1991 F-150 5.0L
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Shawn,

I also have a '91 F150 5.0, but with the M5OD, 4x4, and regular cab. My
local K&N dealer claims that the Ford intake breathes well enough, and
that there is little advantage with the K&N intake. I was willing to
buy one, but he said not to bother. He did recommend the filter itself.

I have Hedman shorty headers, and a Dynomax CVX cat-back exhaust. I
would not recommend the Hedmans to anyone, as they are very sleazy, and
don't really fit. I am happy with the CVX, but would prefer it to be a
little louder. If you get headers, make sure you buy some good wires,
or you'll fry them.

Steve S.


Shawn & Jennifer Clark wrote:
>
> Hi-
>
> I have been following this and another Ford list for several days. I have
> recently acquired a 1991 F-150 Supercab w/5.0L and the E4OD. The engine
> seems to be in good shape but makes a bit less power than I anticipated
> when I need to pass, so I am looking for a few extra ponies. I am looking
> for recommendations on what works and what does not, as well as recommended
> parts vendors (price & knowledge.) My current plan is to order a drop-in
> K&N filter in the next few days. Is there any reason that I should be
> looking for an airbox replacement instead? I have put replacement intake
> and cone K&N's in two cars with great results, but their intakes seemed
> more restricted than the Ford over-the-radiator intake. The OEM muffler is
> getting a bit porous so I am considering a cat-back system as well. The
> stock pipe at roughly 2.5" is only a little larger than the system I have
> on my 4 cylinder, so it seems a bit undersized. I don't mind a little more
> sound than stock but I would like to avoid anything that is "boomy" at
> highway speeds. It is OK if it roars when I have it floored, but I want to
> avoid extensive drone on long drives. Any recommendations on cat-backs?
>
> Another person has suggested bumping the timing up a tad. I will probably
> do this. I am also thinking about indexing the plugs, but I have not tried
> this before--any advice and does this help the 5.0L V-8's much?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Shawn Clark
> e-mail: sd&jkclark tyler.net
>
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Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 02:41:02 -0500
From: "warren"
To:
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> Subject: 2.0L and 2.3L swap
>Tony Gambrall wrote:
> I need to replace my 2.0L engine in my 1988 Ranger. There are >many
2.3L long blocks available, but is a 2.3L block swappable >with a 2.0L?
My engine is carbuated and most 2.3s are FI. Please >respond with any
usable information.
The only basic difference between these engines is in bore diameter,or
any part effected by this, thus most parts interchange. If you do not
want fuel injection, you can bolt your manifold and carb straight on,
or an adapter will bolt a 350 Holley to the lower half of an F.I.
manifold. The 2.3 from the Mustang did not use the dual plug
arrangement until 91' and the Ranger from 89' on, the use of these
would require the EEC and wire harness, as they are distributor-less.
You may want to contact Racer Walsh, they are 2.0 and 2.3 experts, and
are also on the net.
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Warren Kurtz
Ford Ranger Fans On-Line
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sky.net/~wkurtz/ranger.html

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Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 16:52:21 -0400
From: Ken Payne
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: Re: IMPORTANT ADMIN NEWS, PLEASE READ
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At 08:20 PM 7/15/97 -0700, you wrote:
>
>
>----------
>> From: Ken Payne
>> To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
>> Subject: IMPORTANT ADMIN NEWS, PLEASE READ
>> Date: Tuesday, July 15, 1997 7:12 PM
>>
>> Yesterday I received an email from one of the largest Ford antique
>> parts companies. They would like to distribute their catalog, free
>> of charge, to anyone on our list who is interested.
>>
>> In addition, there was an offer to promote them on our web site.
>
>I think it's a great idea! As long as nothing narrows the editorial
>content. That is, sooner or later, someone on the list will have some sort
>of futz with this company ( I don't care if it's Mother Theresa - sooner or
>later, there will be a misunderstanding, etc.) and I want to have faith
>that none of that will ever be shut up or pushed under the rug.
>
>I never mind dealing with someone who belongs to the same "club" or group.
>What I mind is when they impose on that friendly atmosphere to take
>advantage. There are risks on both sides.
>
>

They will have no editorial influence. Its only going to pay
for our monthly expenses (less than $30/month). We don't
**need** them as we could always switch back to the way we've
been paying for the list (voluntary contributions). Besides,
if you want to look at it from a purely business point of
view, "editing" the content of this list will only cause it
to rapidly fall apart so it would be very counter-productive.
Also, I don't believe anyone from their group subscribes to
our list.

I want everyone to know this: I do not see messages before
they appear on the list. I get them at the same time you do.
I prefer it this way because it means that I cannot screen
messages. I do, however, see bounced messages, messages sent
to the command server, etc. Although I can subscribe/unsubscribe
users from my system, I cannot permanently block someone from
subscribing. To do that I have to ask Charlie with LOF
Communications (our list server host) to permanently block out
an address. Charlie wants a good reason for a block and I don't
think he'll lock out people on a whim. It takes time to get
someone blocked out and by then they've already had their say.

You have very legit concern, one that a couple of others have
brought up. I have people on these lists who I consider
friends and I don't think they would hestitate to point it
out if I get out of line (I've had plenty of good advice from
them in the past).

-Ken
List Administrator, 1967 Ford F100, 390FE V8
Our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com
(subscribe/unsubscribe forms on the web site)

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Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 17:50:59 -0400
From: Ken Payne
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Which is better? (suspension 87 B2)
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-snip-
>
>I have seen these "urethane" spacer kits for $60-100 and all
>I really need (I think anyways) is new bolts and washers... the
>spacers seem to be in good shape... Ford dealer wants something
>astronomical... like $20 per set (bolt, nut, 2 washers) and
>for that I can get _that_ and a polyurethane spacer from third-
>parties... What should I do? I already have to drop the tank to
>do some welding around the fueling door (and structural parts
>underneath that...) so I want to get them as I go along...
>
>So, essentially, I need the "bushing mounting kit" right? not
>the bushings themselves...

You may want to check with your auto parts store. You'll be
surprized at what they can special order.

>
>Also, anyone have a favorite source of affordable "bolts and nuts"
>for Ford trucks other than the dealer? Basically I want to replace
>all the ones I've taken off up to now... because they were 10 years
>old and didn't come off "cleanly" :-|... the bumper bolts I'll
>get from the dealer (safety?) but the rest... ??

Call Doc's House of Bolts, they sell normal and stainless steel
stuff. Everything from single units to engine kits. Nuts, bolts,
washers, cotter pins, and tons more. They sell for many vehicles
but they also have special kits and parts for Ford trucks.
1-800-489-1459


>
>Thanks for your time. I'm documenting my repairs so one of these days
>I might toss up some pics on my www site... especially when I see
>end in sight :-)
>
>Take care.

When you get the picks up, you're welcome to email me a copy and
I'll put it on our web pictorial. My hope is that someday all our
pictures are list member rides.

-Ken
List Administrator, 1967 Ford F100, 390FE V8
Our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 21:17:22 -0400
From: Ken Payne
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: New 1999 F350 Powerforce photos
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One of our list members email new 1999 F350 photos
to me. Follow the 1999 F350 link on our main page.
These are very high quality scans, and one it large
enough to use as your computer screen wallpaper.
They're really sharp and worth a look.

-Ken
List Administrator, 1967 Ford F100, 390FE V8
Our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 21:53:51 -0400
From: jlester naxs.com (Jason Lester)
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: Re: F-350 Extended Cab?
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I think I originally asked this question. I've been to four different
dealers and got four different answers. One dealer showed me their '98
vehicle information catalogs and the F-250HD and F-350 sections were
completely blank. This tells me that it probably will be several months
before the new trucks are available. I didn't want to wait that long and
so I bought an F-250HD Supercab Powerstroke today. It's completely loaded
and has all the heavy-duty upgrades. So far I'm very pleased with it,
especially the power!

On a side note, does anyone have any oil recommendations for the
Powerstroke? I'd prefer not to buy the costly Motorcraft unless it's
absolutely necessary. Do any other brands meet the Ford specs?

Jason

You wrote:
>They will look a little like th new Navagator in the fron grille area, as to
>the 4-door extended cab it's still in the air (uncertin)

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Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 01:09:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ducks4jim aol.com
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: Re: 1997 F350
Message-ID:

Hey Jason

You neglected to mention whether you got the new or the old body style
on your new pickup. I bought a supercab powerstroke in Feb. with the old body
style
(which is OK by me).

As far as I see, oil grade is more important than oil quality,so long as
you change as recommended. (the pre-'80 group probably disagrees). Use any
brand, but follow recommended temp. guidelines. 15W-40 for normal usage,
10W-30 in cold weather.
It's more important with the diesel than with the gas motor.

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Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 23:16:45 -0600 (MDT)
From: zeb utalk.org (Lamar Zabielski)
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: Wanted; Rebuilt 7.3 Diesel
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Hi All,

Well, the blue smoke from my first diesel is bugging me enough to R&R it. (1
quart oil/70 miles)

What is a fair price for a 7.3 rebuilt? To fit a '88 F-250 HD X-Cab. Crate
price and labor price (hours?) to R&R it? Or should I contract to have this
one rebuilt? I like the spunk of this engine.

Zeb

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Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 23:05:41 -0700
From: Edward A Arkin
To: Ford trucks talk
Subject: Tech Serv Bullitins
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Ladies & Gentlemen
i've been to the NHTSA site where i received some info
on ford Technical Service Bullitins--
only problem is there isn't much to go on
does anyone know where to obtain the complete TSB??
Thanks
ed

ps ken the kelley blue book has a wonderful site
gives allthe options ect for the entire ford pick-up line
[okay it does the same 4 every make & model]
it even gives your trade in value dependant on condition
fair, good or excellent
they do NOT give retail pricing of used trucks
i did find a site that had it once -- so it is out there

ed
97 f-150 x-cab 5.4
85 f-150 LB 300 i-6

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Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 01:37:52 -0500 (CDT)
From: Gizmow swbell.net
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Tech Serv Bullitins
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Hey Ed

For a good list of truck prices ( or car for that matter) New and used, plus
how much dealed hold back and any hidden rebates try www.edmunds.com

Thanks

Mike

At 11:05 PM 7/19/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Ladies & Gentlemen
>i've been to the NHTSA site where i received some info
>on ford Technical Service Bullitins--
>only problem is there isn't much to go on
>does anyone know where to obtain the complete TSB??
>Thanks
>ed
>
>ps ken the kelley blue book has a wonderful site
>gives allthe options ect for the entire ford pick-up line
>[okay it does the same 4 every make & model]
>it even gives your trade in value dependant on condition
>fair, good or excellent
>they do NOT give retail pricing of used trucks
>i did find a site that had it once -- so it is out there
>
>ed
>97 f-150 x-cab 5.4
>85 f-150 LB 300 i-6
>
>
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Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 05:03:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: LarryAll aol.com
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Minor Power Mods for 1991 F-150 5.0L
Message-ID:

I have a '95 F-250 5.8L and I put a K&N filter kit on it and it increased the
performance dramatically. I don't know if it helped my gas mileage or not,
but the performance is much improved.

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Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 11:18:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: Croth2 aol.com
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: peelin paint
Message-ID:

I am the proud owner of an 87 F-150. It has the famous peelin Ford paint
job. I heard somewhere that Ford was repainting some of these for free.
Does anyone know if they will still do that?? Thanks much---->Tim

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Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 11:53:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: STATX5 aol.com
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: Re: peelin paint
Message-ID:

I have 89 F-250, same problem I got An 800 # from Ford dealer last
year,when i called it , the number was disconnected!! I know of 2 people who
have had thier trucks repainted for free, but several years ago! Guess it's
to late??

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Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 09:29:35 -0700
From: Bill Coates
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: Re: peelin paint
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I have a 1990 F-150...same problem. I called the Ford Customer Service
in June to find if they had a program for repainting the 1990's that are
having a peeling paint problem. The answer was no...not even a prorated
one.. Don't know if also applies to 89's.

Bill Coates

STATX5 aol.com wrote:

> I have 89 F-250, same problem I got An 800 # from Ford dealer last
> year,when i called it , the number was disconnected!! I know of 2
> people who
> have had thier trucks repainted for free, but several years ago! Guess
> it's
> to late??
>
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Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 20:13:30 -0400
From: brett
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: gear ratio
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Well, I have started building my ranger to go road racing. The rules
state I need to have a 4.10/4.11 rear end. Now how do I find out what
ratio I have in there now. It is an 89 2wd standard cab 5spd manual.
I also neeed to figure out how to drop the front end while still using
the stock beams. Any help will be appreciated.

gottago seeya bye

Brett Allen
ITT 41

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Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 20:19:36 -0400
From: Peter and Sarah Bridge
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: Re: gear ratio
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brett wrote:
>
> Well, I have started building my ranger to go road racing. The rules
> state I need to have a 4.10/4.11 rear end. Now how do I find out what
> ratio I have in there now. It is an 89 2wd standard cab 5spd manual.
> I also neeed to figure out how to drop the front end while still using
> the stock beams. Any help will be appreciated.
>
> gottago seeya bye
>
> Brett Allen
> ITT 41
>
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Brett....

Use a hayes manuel....there is a VIN number decoder in it....just look
it up.

Pete

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Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 19:33:18
From: Ken Miller
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: Powerstroke Oil
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>On a side note, does anyone have any oil recommendations for the
>Powerstroke? I'd prefer not to buy the costly Motorcraft unless it's
>absolutely necessary. Do any other brands meet the Ford specs?
>
Check out Chevron motor oil (Delo 400) at:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.chevron.com/prodserv/index.html

You will see that the Delo 400 has the CF-4 (diesel) and SH (Gas) API
engine ratings that Ford requires, and it comes in the 15W-40 rate. This
is what I started using in my first oil change two weeks ago (Feb 1997
Truck). Some guys are using the Rotella (spelling?) oil that meets the
required ratings.

MK

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 00:20:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: CRock21 aol.com
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: Re: gear ratio
Message-ID:

how do you suppose to build a race truck if you arent knowledgeable enough to
determine your rear axle ratio? I don't want to discourage you, but you
might be getting in over your head also. Good luck whatever you decide.

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Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 23:46:39 -0500 (CDT)
From: ksbdj00 tamuk.edu (Johnson Bradford Durkee)
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: LOCK-RIGHT
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Does any one have experence with installing this kit. I was told you
can
put this in with out having to take the ring and pinion out (so it might
be a driveway job?) The jeep guys say they are great but I would like to
do this once .As allways your help is allways needed .
....

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