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fordtrucks80up-digest Digest Volume 97 : Issue 66

Today's Topics:

Re: Crappy Starts ["C. E. White"
Re: F250 questions and comments [jlester naxs.com (Jason Lester) ]
Re: What gas mileage are PowerStroke [jlester naxs.com (Jason Lester) ]
Glow Plug Relay [Ken Miller
Re: What gas mileage are PowerStroke [Ken Miller
F250 Questions and Comments/Powerstr ["Frank P. Martin, III"
302 rebuild [yhtlines surfari.net ]
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest Digest V97 [rogerlov ix.netcom.com (Roger Lovin]
Pre Oiler for Powerstroke [Gizmow swbell.net ]
Re: 460 passes powerstroke? [Ducks4jim aol.com ]
Re: 460 knocking noise, need help! [deeney frii.com ]
HELP ["Lou Guerriero"
Ford F-150 Questions... [Bob ]
Bronco II Tire sizes [DanHolmes9 aol.com ]
RE: '92 351W computer codes ["Beaman, James"
Re: HELP [droberts MIT.EDU (D Robertson) ]
Re: '92 351W Computer Codes ["Stephen M. Brown"
Re: '92 351W Computer Codes [droberts MIT.EDU (D Robertson) ]
Re: Ford F-150 Questions... [Jordan ]


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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 19:24:55 -0400
From: "C. E. White"
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
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Michael Kisielewski wrote:
>
> Eri Ketchum & Shawn Clark
>
> I had a '91 F-150 with the 4.9 inline 300 and experienced the same
> problem that you both talked about. I have a question for both of you.
> Do you buy your gas at the same place all the time? I had been filling
> up at the same Amoco station all of the time. All of a sudden I started
> experiencing the problem you mentioned. (vehicle would sit overnight or
> while I was in class for 8+ hours and when I went to start my truck it
> would imediately stall. subsequent restarts were fine) I had no other
> indications there was a problem. I did a little experiment and let my
> tank go below 1/4 then filled up at a local Texaco. Like magic my
> problem went away. Just for kicks I went back and filled up at that old
> Amoco and guess what, the problem came back. Not that one gas is better
> than another I probably would have had the same result going to another
> Amoco, but I would try filling at another station and try to avoid
> filling up right after the station fills there tanks. I hope your
> problems get resolved.
> Happy w/my '97 F-150 XLT 4x4 Off Road getting 17+mpg w/4.6 auto tran.
>
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Hard starting sounds like deposits building up on the intake valves.
Some of the Chevron Clean-Up Fuel Treatment will help with that. And I
personally think either 66, Texaco or Exxon has better valve cleaning
stuff than the Amoco. One tankful would not be enough to clean the
valves, but 2 or 3 would.

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 21:39:43 -0400
From: jlester naxs.com (Jason Lester)
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
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I'm not sure why they didn't offer a trailer hitch. All hitches for 3/4
and 1 ton trucks are universal (fit Ford, GM, and Dodge). You basically
have to drill 3 holes on each side of your frame and bolt it up .. an extra
person helps to line everything up. It's fairly easy to do as long as you
have a powerful 1/2" drill and a couple of good 1/2" drill bits. The
speakers are 6 1/2" round. Check out Crutchfield at
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.crutchfield.com to get perfect fit speakers.

Jason

You wrote:

How come Ford did not offer a trailer hitch in their trailer package?
Will I have a problem putting one on with the spare tire underneath?
Is it hard to put on myself or should I let a shop worry about it? I
put one on my Cherokee and that was a pain due to the placement of the
holes in the framerail. What size speakers are on the truck too? I
want to start shopping around for a new stereo and I would rather not
take apart the truck yet just to see what size it has.

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 21:46:24 -0400
From: jlester naxs.com (Jason Lester)
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: Re: What gas mileage are PowerStrokes getting?
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Whoever's telling you that is full of crap. The last tank I ran through
mine got 18.9 with combination city/highway .. and that's with 4.10 gears!
The important thing about mileage is to not go super fast on the highway.
I try to keep mine under 75 since it's revving about 2600 rpms at that point.

I haven't seen a hill yet that mine won't power up and gain speed while
it's doing it. My dad couldn't believe it when he drove it .. we have an
F-350 with the 400M and an F-250 with the 6.9 on our farm .. there's a huge
difference in power. I've never driven a 460, but the 400 is doing really
well to get 10 mpg unloaded .. the 460 has to be worse.

Jason Lester
Check out the Power Stroke Page:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.abol.com/users/jlester/

You wrote:

I am getting real antsy about getting a crew with the PowerStroke and am
starting to hear some negative things about them. For instance, they won't
get good as good gas mileage as I am told, ie I'm expecting 18 to 20
without towing and maybe 16 to 18 towing, I'm being told they will only get
about 13 to 15 w/o towing and probably 10 to 12 towing. I already get 10
towing with my Bronco w/351 and 3.55s. Second, they won't pull up a hill
that well because they don't rev out, ie a 460 will beat the PowerStroke
in a head to head tow up a hill.
These are some of the primary reasons I'm looking at the PowerStroke, I
intend to pull a #3500 boat on weekends, which requires two hill passes. I
really don't want to be passed by the 460 guys, especially if I'm paying an
extra 4 grand more for the PowerStroke.

Please dismiss these rumors for me....

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 18:36:07
From: Ken Miller
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
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Howdy Pat,
To answer your question, yes there is a relay, there is also a controler
for the relay. The Relay is on the passenger side fender (don't confuse
this with the starter relay which is also in that area). The controler is
mounted on the back of the engine, just left of center line.

Good luck

MK
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Kim Foss Work: KMiller2 ci.Las-Vegas.NV.US
650 Whitney Ranch #3213 W (707)229-4709 H(702)458-6529
Henderson, NV 89014 Fax (702) 474-7463
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 18:29:53
From: Ken Miller
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: Re: What gas mileage are PowerStrokes getting?
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Howdy Chris,
Well, I don't know where you have been hearing all of those
non-informational rumors, but they sure have loaded up with some. :-) All
kidding aside, I think that you will be more than happy with the
Powerstroke. The milage is far better than the gas engines. Depending on
the axle ratio (3.55 or 4.10), you could get 22+ highway empty easy. Also,
depending on Automatic or standard transmission, you could do a bit better.
Towing milage, for the size boat that you will be towing will be pretty
good also. I think maybe (and this is stretching it) the poor milages you
are hearing about is from people who are towing the BIG 5th-wheel (sail)
trailers at 10,000lbs.

In terms of power, all I can say is that everyone (feel free to correct me
here) on this list-server has been more than happy. I haven't any complaints.

Good Luck.

MK
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Ken Miller & Personal: KRMiller Vegas.Infi.Net
Kim Foss Work: KMiller2 ci.Las-Vegas.NV.US
650 Whitney Ranch #3213 W (707)229-4709 H(702)458-6529
Henderson, NV 89014 Fax (702) 474-7463
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 22:47:15 -0700
From: "Frank P. Martin, III"
To:
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I don't know why the Ford trailering package doesn't come with the hitch.
When I ordered it on my Chevy, it came complete. I think the new design
F150s come with the hitch, but don't quote me on it. It seems that the
ones I've seen on the dealer lots have them.

I had a DrawTite hitch installed on my F-250 by a place here in Pittsburgh,
PA called Miley's. He has a web site (www.miley.com) and will ship any
hitch purchased for $1.00 (if UPS ever settles their strike). If my memory
serves right I paid somewhere in the neighborhood of $120 for the Class III
hitch installed and wired. I've experienced no problems with the spare
tire interfering with the hitch. Both are co-existing nicely.

Now for the Mileage. I tow a half-ton camping trailer along with four
adults and gear. I have never gotten less than 20 mpg (I have the 4.10
axle and 5 sp. manual); even in the mountains of Pennsylvania. Empty and
in town, stop & go driving, I get anywhere from 16 to 18. My 350 Chevy
that the Powerstroke replaced, on its best day, never got better than 14 in
town and between 16-19 towing the same trailer. I have noticed that a lot
of PSD owners are getting about the same mileage as me so (not to be rude)
whoever started this ugly rumor about PSD mileage is either talking from
where they are sitting or they've got a sick Powerstroke on their hands.

Frank P. Martin
fpmartin usaor.net

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 20:04:46
From: yhtlines surfari.net
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
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Help! I've seen mention of (I think?) of a "rebuilding your 302" kinda book
on here. I think I'll need what ever is best, and would prefer not to have
to buy a Haynes, a Chilton and others to get it right. (did I mention I
used my Ford Mustang factory manual to replace the broken axle in my Jeep
Commanche, because of the physical similarities and the Ford manual was
better?). Anyway, we ran a compression check on my son's F150 and I suspect
two burned pistons. Why? Zero compression in those cylinders and down two
qts of oil and the freshly changed oil is veryyy sooty, and burned.

If anybody has the info on this book would you email me, here or at my work
address, so I can get it ordered. Much appreciated. I'll probably start
tearing the heads off the engine Wednesday.

Also requesting some advice? I did some shopping for engines/parts. A short
block (302) from Kragens is $475, long block $875. (this is for my son's 88
F150 4x). Other rebuilds go up from there. OTOH, a rebuild kit is $400,
plus boring at $100, plus $75 for turning the crank, etc .

Heads are $150 for rebuilding two, plus $150 for some mild porting on both.

I'm considering a short block from Kragen's, plus having the heads rebuilt
and ported locally, plus a smog legal RV cam. I think that will give him
the extra punch he wants, and probably will be an ok longevity engine. The
cheapest cost (short block) would be 475 + 300 + 100(cam)= $875. To farm
out the block machining locallay and assemble it myself, costs out at a few
hundred more than the short block, cam and heads. Keeping in mind that this
is mostly a commuter vehicle. What do you fellows recommend?

Dave Lampert drl1 pge.com (work)

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 23:26:54 -0500 (CDT)
From: rogerlov ix.netcom.com (Roger Loving)
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Cc: cfoye BayNetworks.com
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest Digest V97 #65
Message-Id:

>
>Hello everyone,
>
>I am getting real antsy about getting a crew with the PowerStroke and am
>starting to hear some negative things about them.

I have a 95 F-250 4x4 extended cab PowerStroke with almost 70K miles on it.
It always carrys a 2000 lb tool box occupying the entire pickup bed. I refer to
this as being "empty". "Loaded" means that the toolbox is full and a 19 foot
horse trailer (with horse) is being towed.
The truck is driven daily through the Colorado mountains and front range.
Typical milage ranges from just over 20 pure highway with only the ton of
tool box... to around 15 fully loaded. It is comfortable cruising up to 80 mph.
The ratio is a 4.10....if I had it to do over again I would get a 390.
Service has been all on items that I feel to be factory defects - some were
caught under warranty - The main items have been the 4x4 shifting slider (twice),
a brake booster pump, the front driveshaft U joint, and the front springs. Some
of these may have been un-necessary. Total cost of repairs less than $1000.
Nothing at all has been required on the engine/drivetrain/transmission. Service
is done at Ford at their recommended intervals. My dealer offers a flat rate of
$15 for oil and filter change to original owners. Otherwise it would be around
$60.
You are getting some absolutely false information. the 460 won't even keep
the diesel in sight when pulling a load up a hill. In fact, the diesel will
maintain a higher climbing speed even when empty and the gap grows as the load
increases.
The difference is astonishing - as anyone who has owned one will attest.
Perhaps the problem is that Ford did make some underpowered diesels before the
powerstroke and the trucks look the same.
In an outright drag race on level ground with both trucks empty, the nod for
zero to seventy went to the 460 by about a 2 truck lengths. We tried this
several times on the flat, then uphill, then with automatic vs. standard shift.
on the flat or slight uphill, the truck with the automatic would win
regardless...simply because they would shift faster. As the grade increased, the
460's performance fell off noticibly quicker than the PowerStroke.
I still think the powerstroke noise is obnoxious, but the power and economy
of operation make up for it. BYW, at 70,000 miles, the engine has just about paid
for its additional cost in fuel savings!
Roger Loving

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 23:31:36 -0500 (CDT)
From: Gizmow swbell.net
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: Pre Oiler for Powerstroke
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Hey All,

How about some feedback on this!

I am thinking about adding a pre/post oiler on my 97 powerstroke. Can
anyone give me the pros and cons? They claim they can add alot of life to
your motor by getting the oil flowing before you start your motor and keep
it flowing flowing after shutdown to keep the oil from cooking in the hot
motor. What do you think!


Mike

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 00:52:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ducks4jim aol.com
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: Re: 460 passes powerstroke?
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Hello All,

I've had some (dealer correctable) problems, but I have yet to see a 460
out pull a powerstroke or (god forbid) a Cummins turbo on a steep grade.

Unless I am an idiot, the diesel motor will always outperform the gas
engine in situations where major pulling power is needed.

Unless you don't mind rebuilding your 460 at 60K miles. The diesel is what
you want and need for pulling power- be it powerstroke or Cummins.

Ducks4jim AOL.com...97 Supercab powerstroke

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 23:53:12 -0600 (MDT)
From: deeney frii.com
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: Re: 460 knocking noise, need help!
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I wrote:

>I'm also going to compress the adjusters & check valve clearance. I'll
>change the rod length in any of them that are out of spec.

Checking valve clearances with tappets compressed showed one valve out of
the max spec for clearance. I installed a .060"-over pushrod. Three other
rods were close to the high end, so I insalled .030"-over rods on those
valves. The encouraging news is that the valve that was out of spec was for
the cylinder that the stethoscope seemed to indicate was the problem area.

All seals now replaced & I'm doing a final check on valve clearances. Should
be ready for a test drive this coming weekend. Here's hoping!!

-Jeff Deeney-
deeney frii.com

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 03:14:08 -0400
From: "Lou Guerriero"
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Hi,

I have an 88' Bronco II and have noticed a strange thing lately. When I
start my engine, the idle "lopes".. that is to say it revs.. then after a
few seconds of warming, finds its low spot. Problem is, the low spot is
too low! Then it revs.. (from 750 to about 1100 rpms) and then falls back,
stalling 9 times out of ten.

I have recently (4 months ago) had all the plugs/wires/fuel filter etc
changed.. plus some other work (gaskets, valves), so I can't see any
engine probs causing this. Is it a possible prob with the O2 sensor? I
have noticed this loping before (about 1 and 1/2 yrs ago), but a tune up
usually helped. I am currently using ethanol fuel (which I find gives a
smoother running engine, better mileage, and more power [when I need it]),
and an additive (perk pills). Do you think that any of these things might
be the problem, or perhaps something I'm missing? Like I said, I recently
had everything fixed up.. pcv etc.

Thanks in adv,

Lou.

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 23:08:40 -0800
From: Bob
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
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Hey all ! Ive got some questions about my 1995 F-150 Extd cab truck...
I recently installed a 2" body lift and am trying to figure out what
size tires to run. Im hoping to run 33x12.5x15 BFG Mud T/A's but am
unsure if they will fit. I would REALLY like to put them on the stock
Ford aluminum rims, but the wheels are only 7.5" wide and the tire calls
for 8" minimum. Is that 1/2" REALLY going to make a difference ? I know
of several people with BFG 32x11.5x15 tires on the same rims, and they
have no problems... HELP !!!

Second, I would like to increase power from the 302 I have. Ive already
removed the muffler and seen a tiny increase in power and a substsantial
increase in MPG. My buddy installed the K&N Performance kit on his 460,
and got a little boost, but it is SO DANG NOISY !!! Does anybody else
have that kit ? Are they all that loud ?

What about headers ? I live in Alaska and am worried about the
reliability of the engine with headers when the temp drops below zero.
Anybody have that setup ?

Sorry to bombard you with all these questions. And thank you for your
responses !


Bob Keiner
Anchorage, Alaska
asrmk1 uaa.alaska.edu

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 03:51:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: DanHolmes9 aol.com
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: Bronco II Tire sizes
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Hey,

I have an 88 Ranger 2 wheel drive with 235 70R15's on it, and the truck
drives great. There is absolutley no rubbing at all, although I did take the
chrome strip off that went around the wheel well. I don't know if that was
factory installed, or someone put it on there, or what. If you have one, you
might want to consider taking it off. The thing kinda hung down on the
inside of the well, and would rub when you hit a seroius bump while turning
or backing up. Now that I took them off, the only time I ever had the
slightest rub was from flying down a dirt road with 3 foot rolling humps
spaced close together. If the timing was right, the front end would dive
into the a hump after coming down off the previous one, and the tires would
slightly rub the plastic wheel well liner as the suspension bottoms. But as
long as you avoid seroiusly bottoming the suspension, they will most likely
never never rub. As far as handeling, my truck dosen't have sway-bars, or
all the other handeling package goodies, so the truck dosen't corner great to
begin with, but the tires work great. When you yank the wheel, the body
rolls like crazy, but the tires stick and get great grip. My shocks are worn
out, so that dosen't help any. I don't know how the top heavyness would
affect the Bronco II's handeling, but as far as clearance, you shouldn't have
a problem.

Good luck with them tires,
Daniel Holmes

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 08:01:48 -0500
From: "Beaman, James"
To: "'fordtrucks80up lofcom.com'"
Subject: RE: '92 351W computer codes
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>Jay Chlebowski[SMTP:club inlink.com] wrote:
>Sent: Monday, August 11, 1997 6:15 PM
>To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
>Subject: Re: '92 351W computer codes
>
>On 8/11/97 4:30 PM , Beaman, James wrote:
>
>>I have been having some engine surging problems on my'92 F250 w/351W at
>>high loads and engine speeds, most noticeably while towing a 6000 lb.
>>travel trailer up hills. So I decided to pull the codes on it last
>>night and came up with the followint:
>>
>>KOEO: 111 1 172 173 634
>>KOER: 111 1 111 (no codes sent, everything OK)
>>
>
>This might be an obvious question, but how do you "pull the codes," and
>can I do it on my PowerStroke. Also, what do KOEO & KOER stand for?

Sorry for the lingo. KOEO stands for Key On, Engine Off, the first part
of the test where you pull the codes that have been stored in continuous
memory showing what problems the engine may have had in the past 40
warmup cycles. KOER stands for Key On, Engine Running, the part of the
test where the computer diagnoses the engine real time and returns any
other codes it finds. I bought a plug-in tester and instruction book
from the local Auto Zone but if I were to do it again, I would probably
just buy the Haynes manual on reading auto computer codes, also
available at your local parts store. And yes, you should be able to
pull the codes on your Powerstroke in a similar manner.

James Beaman
james.beaman lmco.com
Houston, Texas

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 10:20:29 +0100
From: droberts MIT.EDU (D Robertson)
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: Re: HELP
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> Hi,
>
> I have an 88' Bronco II and have noticed a strange thing lately.
>When I
>start my engine, the idle "lopes".. that is to say it revs.. then after a
>few seconds of warming, finds its low spot. Problem is, the low spot is
>too low! Then it revs.. (from 750 to about 1100 rpms) and then falls back,
>stalling 9 times out of ten.
>

Dear Lou:

I had a similar problem on 86 a 5.0L , I cleaned the air by pass valve.
This valve bleeds air past the throttle at idle. Someone on the Fordnatics
list suggested this to me and it worked. I also cleaned the trottle body
while I was at it. This is cheaper to try then changing the 02's. The
computer codes should tell you if the 02's are happy or not.

Dave

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 09:07:40 -0500
From: "Stephen M. Brown"
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Subject: Re: '92 351W Computer Codes
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Reply to the guy who asked how to pull codes:
Easy way (requires one little piece of wire or paperclip) is to jumper two
connections on the EEC-test plugs located on the driver side fender close
to the firewall. I would suggest a Haynes manual or a websearch on EEC
testing. I don't remember if you mentioned what year truck you have, so it
could be different if you have EEC-III, EEC-IV, EEC-V.
The Haynes manual (any bookstore) will give you detailed instructions for
pulling codes, however, it does not have a complete list of what the codes
mean. A websearch on your system (again, EEC-III, EEC-IV, EEC-V) will
probably get you a more complete list of codes.
KOEO - key on engine off
KOER - key on engine running

Reply to the guy asking about sensors:
I remember seeing references to the sensors you mentioned in the Haynes
manual...I believe it has detailed instructions for finding, removing, and
replacing all of them...it was only $17...mine has been well worth it.
That surging problem also sounds like the throttle position sensor should
be tested. Sorry to keep harping on it, but the Haynes manual shows an
easy test with a voltmeter for the TPS.

steve
95 Bronco, 351, K&N, JBA shorties, Borla, soon to be Kenne Bell
supercharged!

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 12:01:52 +0100
From: droberts MIT.EDU (D Robertson)
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: Re: '92 351W Computer Codes
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Check out this web page
,http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.iaw.com/~aubertin/88mgt/eec-iv/eec-iv.htm it has some EEC info.....

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