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Return-Path: From: fordtrucks80up-digest-request Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 18:51:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: t3.media3.net: lof set sender to fordtrucks80up-digest-request Subject: fordtrucks80up-digest Digest V97 #61 X-Loop: fordtrucks80up-digest X-Mailing-List: archive/volume97/61 X-Distributed-By: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.lofcom.com/ To: fordtrucks80up-digest Reply-To: fordtrucks80up ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain fordtrucks80up-digest Digest Volume 97 : Issue 61 Today's Topics: Re: 97 Ranger mileage [silent.bob Re: mailing list [zeb Re: mailing list [Ken Payne ] Re: 5.4 L comparison test [Paul Laughlin Re: Fw: Re[2]: 97 Ranger Mileage [Lehmandp Bronco II [CFH56 Powerstoke oil changes [ROBERT.BUBALA Re: Pulleys [Chris Kelly ] air intake '93 7.3 diesel non turbo ["Patrick Vanderlind" Re: fordtrucks80up-digest Digest V97 [Just493 1986 F-250 Diff. question [Mike Marcum ] Re: 97 Ranger Mileage [fwise Re: HELP MY BRONCO II [ILuvTruks REMOVE ["Tim Burns" ] Re: HELP MY BRONCO II [Captain Nemo Re: 97 Ranger Mileage [Gardner ] Re: ford 4.0 exhaust sound [Captain Nemo F150 bad starts ["DAVID MUMMERY" RE: 1986 F-250 Diff. question ["DAVID MUMMERY" RE: ford 4.0 exhaust sound ["DAVID MUMMERY" Re: HELP MY BRONCO II [droberts 5.4 L Ford comparison test vs GM an ["Jack Lubinski" Administrivia: ____________________________________________________________________ Message distributed via http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.lofcom.com/ For help send subject "HELP" to:fordtrucks80up-digest-request Comments and suggestions are welcome, use: kpayne ____________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 21:23:01 -0500 From: silent.bob To: fordtrucks80up Subject: Re: 97 Ranger mileage Message-ID: On Tue, 05 Aug 1997 14:06:40 -0400 Chris Kelly writes: >Bob Leifer wrote: >> One more thing: I went under the truck and noticed that the spare, >although >> it was not a emergency donut, was only a P205 70R14, not a 225. I >went to >> the dealer, and was told that the 225 would not fit in the spare >wheel well >> underneath. I will call Ford today on that. Anybody else no about >this? ___________________________________________________________________ > > >My 2.3 has plenty of zip in my splash, of course I have the 5 speed, >helps quite a bit. It's just as quick as my buddy's 92 Ranger 3.0 >auto. > >Anyway the spare tire bit. My truck has 235/60/15 on it and the spare >is >the same size and fits in the tire holder. I think someone at Ford is >full of sh**! Good luck! > > >____________________________________________________________________ huh?!? thats what i say.. my spare is the same as all the rest of my tires on my truck as well, and i have 14's just like you. .---. .----------- / \ __ / ------ / / \(..)/ ----- http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.FordManTed.com (Mustang Shop) ////// ' \/ ` --- http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.FordRanger.com (Ranger Site) //// / // : : --- // / / /` '-- // //..\ =======UU====UU===[95 Ranger XLT 2.3L]=[silent.bob '//||\` ''`` ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 21:48:34 -0600 (MDT) From: zeb To: fordtrucks80up Subject: Re: mailing list Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:41 PM 8/5/97 -0400, fordtrucks80up >By way of this message I am telling you to take my e-mail address of >your list. I did not request this information, nor am I interested in >receiving any other messages. Please stop immediately. > > >____________________________________________________________________ >Message distributed via http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.lofcom.com/ >For help send subject "HELP" to:fordtrucks80up-request >Comments and suggestions are welcome, use: kpayne > > ================================ Hi Ken, >____________________________________________________________________ >Message distributed via http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.lofcom.com/ >For help send subject "HELP" to:fordtrucks80up-request To unsubscribe send to fordtrucks80up-request subject/message unsubscribe (or something like that ) >Comments and suggestions are welcome, use: kpayne > > I am a listop of two lists, one almost as busy as your's (80-up list) but only a 100 some folks, and few hassels with unsub's. Maybe add that line above to the list tag line? ppl are lazy! Tnx for the ford truck list, Lamar ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 00:17:32 -0400 From: Ken Payne To: fordtrucks80up Subject: Re: mailing list Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Hi Ken, > > >I am a listop of two lists, one almost as busy as your's (80-up list) but >only a 100 some folks, and few hassels with unsub's. Maybe add that line >above to the list tag line? ppl are lazy! > >Tnx for the ford truck list, > >Lamar > The problem is that these changes are handled by Charlie with LOFCom, our list server host. I'm about to finish our new FAQ and I was going to upload it to him at the same time I request the changes. The FAQ goes out to all new subscribers. I get so busy with the list that I sometimes forget to do stuff like this (I had it on my TODO list). Ken ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 09:50:06 -0700 From: Paul Laughlin To: fordtrucks80up Subject: Re: 5.4 L comparison test Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jack Lubinski wrote: > > Anyone have a brief summary they care to share about the article in > the Trailer Life magazine (June 1997). > Ok Jack, as much as I dislike typing, I will give it a shot. The engines: GM 5.7 Liter Vortec, Ford 5.4 Liter Triton, and the Dodge 5.9 Liter Magnum. The loads: Identical travel trailers weighing approx 6160 lbs. All trucks were tested at the same time over 850 miles of flatland and mountain freeway, two-lane state highways and narrow, twisty backcountry roads with grades reaching 9 percent. Drivers were rotated. Fuel edonomy: Solo Towing Average Chevrolet 17.3 8.1 12.7 Dodge 15.9 7.5 11.7 Ford 17.5 7.9 12.7 Accelleration (Time in Seconds) Solo towing Towing 0-60 0-60 40-60 Chevrolet 10.0 30.5 20.4 Dodge 10.0 36.3 23.7 Ford 9.5 30.4 19.0 Hill Climb Performance, Towing (MPH 6% grade 9% grade 2nd gear 1st gear Chevrolet 45 Dodge 36 Ford 50 The conclusion was that all three trucks performed well. The Ford Triton engine gave it an edge on acceleration, hill climbing and solo fuel economy. Any more you will have to get a copy of Trailer Life magazine for June 97. Check out http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.trailerlife.com. You can probably get someone to give you a performance report on most towing vehicles at rec.outdoors.rv-travel. Those guys wring them out pretty good. Paul Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 03:31:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Lehmandp To: fordtrucks80up Subject: Re: Fw: Re[2]: 97 Ranger Mileage Message-ID: In a message dated 97-08-02 02:51:01 EDT, you write: > After about 16k miles, my 1996 Bronco has developed an intermittent, > LOUD clunking noise in the front end. Some "ratcheting" noise has > also been experienced. The dealer has relpaced the front hubs, which > seems to have eliminated the ratcheting noise, but the intermittent > clunking noise continues to be a problem. Any suggestions? >> I had a similar situation with the clunking in the front-end of my '92 F150 4x4 at about 30k miles. I suspected driveline and/or the auto hubs. But it turned out to be the left suspension radius arm where it bolts up to the frame -- needed to be re-torqued. - David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 03:45:35 -0400 (EDT) From: CFH56 To: fordtrucks80up Subject: Bronco II Message-ID: A few things... does K&N supply an air filter system for a 2.9L V6 Bronco II? How mouch does it run? Also, I need Bronco II fans to help me out with my webpage with pictures of rigs and stuff. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/cfh56/auto.html. Please E-Mail me at CFH56 Thanks, Jay ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 06:16:12 -0500 From: ROBERT.BUBALA To: "fordtrucks80up(a)lofcom.com" Subject: Powerstoke oil changes Message-Id: Hello I am picking up my new F250 Powerstroke tonight, and Ford offered me a maintenance package that revolves around oil changes. The price they want for a 2 year 30,000 package which includes oil changes every 3k, and tire rotations evevery 6k, and 1 trans fluid change as well as fluid inspections and brake inspections is $495. I am not sure how much an oil change would be on this truck, but I would like to know if this would be worth it. They also guarantee 29 minute service on this too. They are going to check this morning to see if diesels are exluded but the girl looked through 2 books and the diesel was not excluded. Please let me know by private email so I would find out faster. Thanks Rob Bubala mailto:robert.bubala ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 07:42:23 -0400 From: Chris Kelly To: fordtrucks80up Subject: Re: Pulleys Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit silent.bob > > Thought I would share this with yall. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Dear Robert, > The later 2.3L Rangers and Mustangs use a Distributerless ignition > system that has a trigger wheel behind the crankshaft pulley and these > pulleys are of different design than the earlier models. We are > interested in > making the pulley if the demand is worhtwhile otherwise they become to > expensive. We would need a couple dedicated retailors or a Ranger mailing > list for this application to make it feasible. > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Message distributed via http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.lofcom.com/ > For help send subject "HELP" to:fordtrucks80up-request > Comments and suggestions are welcome, use: kpayne Well I would diffently be interested, I have contacted them also! I think if enough of us would write them then they my see that there is demnad, there are alot of us here looking for performance parts for our 2.3's that they will see there is a demand! Let us know what to do! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 07:36:43 -6000 From: "Patrick Vanderlind" To: fordtrucks80up Subject: air intake '93 7.3 diesel non turbo Message-Id: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Is there a mod to improve the air intake on a non turbo diesel? The snorkel looks like it could be impeded by the insulation under the hood as well as the bug shield I have installed. Are there any other possible locations to re-route the intake for better performance without bastardizing the thing? Also how do you tell if the muffler is being restricted by excess soot buildup? Anyone know what the mileage should be on a 7.3 x-cab 4x4 5 speed w/4.10 rearend? Thanks in advance. Patrick Vanderlind Cedar Rapids, Iowa '93 F250 xcab XLT 4x4 red/red XLT Diesel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:26:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Just493 To: fordtrucks80up Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest Digest V97 #59 Message-ID: *UNSUBSCRIBE* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 08:59:46 -0700 From: Mike Marcum To: "'fordtrucks80up Subject: 1986 F-250 Diff. question Message-ID: I have a 1986 F-250 Ext. Cab 4x4. 8800lb GVW, 351 4V, and C6 AT. Question: How Can I tell if I have a Limited Slip rear end? I have just replaced one of the rear axle seals, and according to the parts house, I have a Spicer 61 rear, with a 10.25" ring gear. A tag on the front axle says 4.10, so I am assuming that this is referring to the ratio (which it makes sense, since the truck is rated pretty heavy, and it has a small-block engine) I want to change the diff. fluid, but I want to know if I need the special kind for Limited Slip diffs. Thanks. - Mike (mikem > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:05:36 -0500 From: fwise To: fordtrucks80up Subject: Re: 97 Ranger Mileage Message-ID: I cannot speak about 3 liters with automatics, but I do have 3 years of experience with the manual. I have a 94 Ranger Supercab with the 3.0 engine and 5 speed manual transmission. I installed a cab-high camper shell on the truck about 2 weeks after I bought it, and it has remained on since. My day-to-day mileage runs between 19 and 21 MPG, with a mix of stop and go and highway driving. In 55+K miles, the lowest I have gotten has been 17 (twice), mostly stop and go. As for mileage improving with more miles, in theory that makes sense, but my second tankful (at 800 miles) averaged 22.6 MPG My mostly highway mileage runs from 24-26 MPG. My two best tankfuls have been 30.1 and 29.6, both at high altitude in Colorado (I live in San Antonio, Texas). The fuel injection leans out the mixture considerably, allowing these kind of numbers. Of course, at that altitude, "power" is definitely a euphemism. At ~22K I installed a K&N filter. I have not noticed any mileage difference, but did pick up a bit of mid-range torque. A speed shop told me that they have seen mileage increases of 2-4 mpg on compact trucks with the installation of Flowmaster mufflers. Does anyone have similar experience with Flowmasters? I would also like to install headers, but I can't find a company that makes them for the 3.0. Anyone know of a company that makes a set? Keep on Truckin', Fred Wise fwise ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 12:09:49 -0400 (EDT) From: ILuvTruks To: fordtrucks80up Subject: Re: HELP MY BRONCO II Message-ID: Hey, Y'all, I have a question about the Bronco II. My truck has 150k miles and runs strong, but it dies on decelerration and hesitates initially on accelerration. I have done a complete tune up, (wires, plugs, cap, rotor, oil, filter, fuel filter, new exhaust) have installed new(used) fuel pump, new(new) regulator, the safety shutoff is not tripped, I cannot find a vaccum leak, and I took the throttle body off and cleaned it with two cans of carb cleaner. HELP! As a note, the fuel pump does not shut off after building pressure. Where do or can I go from here? I thought it may be the throttle position sensor, but why doesn't my fuel pump shut off? :-( HELP!! I drove it yesterday and it was ok, I still had the problem but it was ok. All of a sudden, Last night, after being parked for mabey an hour, I tried to drive it and it died every block or less, I'm not kidding, every block, it even died at idle, not just giving it gas. :-( HELP!!! SAVE MY BABY BRONCO!!! Clay :-) Don't BS yerself, 'cause then you just have to smell it :-( ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 14:02:18 -0400 From: "Tim Burns" To: Subject: REMOVE Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please remove me form your subscriber list. Thanks tburns ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 13:25:45 -0700 From: Captain Nemo To: fordtrucks80up Subject: Re: HELP MY BRONCO II Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi ya, Clay! Is there any way you can pull the codes from your bronco? If nothing else, it'll give you a good place to start. I can't say that I've retrieved any codes before. I think I have the code-retrieval procedure saved, from a previous post by some member of this list. I'll try to find it, and post it. I think that even some of the auto parts stores have people that can help you with it. Hope it will help... Sounds like you've got the fuel system pretty much taken care of. From what little knowledge I have of fuel injection...could it be the..EGR valve not opening/closing as it should? , Ignition (TFI module? timing?)? vacuum leaks (none, as you say?)? A loose electrical connection somewhere? As for the fuel pump...it's not supposed to stop, after you start your vehicle. I know that it is turned on for a few seconds when you intially turn the key to the "Ign" position...enough to build up some pressure to start, and then it starts again when your engine starts successfully. Hope I didn't insult yer intelligence! ;) Josh --> '88 Ranger > Hey, Y'all, > I have a question about the Bronco II. My truck has 150k miles and > runs > strong, but it dies on decelerration and hesitates initially on > accelerration. I have done a complete tune up, (wires, plugs, cap, > rotor, > oil, filter, fuel filter, new exhaust) have installed new(used) fuel > pump, ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 14:45:20 -0500 From: Gardner To: fordtrucks80up Subject: Re: 97 Ranger Mileage Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit fwise > > I cannot speak about 3 liters with automatics, but I do have 3 years of > experience with the manual. > > I have a 94 Ranger Supercab with the 3.0 engine and 5 speed manual > transmission. I installed a cab-high camper shell on the truck about 2 > weeks after I bought it, and it has remained on since. > > My day-to-day mileage runs between 19 and 21 MPG, with a mix of stop and > go and highway driving. In 55+K miles, the lowest I have gotten has been > 17 (twice), mostly stop and go. As for mileage improving with more miles, > in theory that makes sense, but my second tankful (at 800 miles) averaged > 22.6 MPG > > My mostly highway mileage runs from 24-26 MPG. My two best tankfuls have > been 30.1 and 29.6, both at high altitude in Colorado (I live in San > Antonio, Texas). The fuel injection leans out the mixture considerably, > allowing these kind of numbers. Of course, at that altitude, "power" is > definitely a euphemism. > > At ~22K I installed a K&N filter. I have not noticed any mileage > difference, but did pick up a bit of mid-range torque. A speed shop told > me that they have seen mileage increases of 2-4 mpg on compact trucks > with the installation of Flowmaster mufflers. Does anyone have similar > experience with Flowmasters? > > I would also like to install headers, but I can't find a company that > makes them for the 3.0. Anyone know of a company that makes a set? > > Keep on Truckin', > > Fred Wise > fwise > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Message distributed via http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.lofcom.com/ > For help send subject "HELP" to:fordtrucks80up-request > Comments and suggestions are welcome, use: kpayne This may seem silly since your truck is practically brand new...but is the alignment okay and tire pressure checked. Maybe over tightened wheel bearings..all can cause drastic gas consumptions! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 13:39:32 -0700 From: Captain Nemo To: fordtrucks80up Subject: Re: ford 4.0 exhaust sound Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Jordan... I just looked in my Summit Racing and my Jeg's catalog...you can get their catalogs for free, if you ask. Jeg's (800) 345-4545 Summit (330) 630-3030 They both carry the Borla and Flowmaster lines of products, so I'll bet they can both price you a cat-back system. They do sound good on the 8cyl, i'm not sure about the 6cyl, though. They both have their different, respective tones. Maybe they can help ya through it. Borla has a website ( http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.borla.com ), but I'm not sure about Flowmaster. A couple of other companies that might have a cat-back system are Pacesetter or Edelbrock. Ask the Jeg's or Summit people. Those 3 chambers might be...a catalytic converter, muffler, and ???? maybe another cat before the muffler? or a resonator after the muffler? Josh --> '88 Ranger Jordan wrote: > Okay I got a question, does anyone have suggestions (preferably from > experience) on how to make my 93 explorer sport (with 4.0) have a > louder, > deep sounding exhaust note??? I don't want to make it higher and > cheesy > sounding though. I notice the current exhaust pipe has 3 chambers is > this > really neccessary? > P.S. anything I do to it must be legal, thankfully I don't live in > CA > and I don't have to worry about legallity too much. > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Message distributed via http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.lofcom.com/ > For help send subject "HELP" to:fordtrucks80up-request > Comments and suggestions are welcome, use: kpayne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 97 18:20:54 UT From: "DAVID MUMMERY" To: fordtrucks80up Subject: F150 bad starts Message-Id: It sounds as if you are loosing fuel pressure. Check to see if the fuel is leaking back to the tank after a long time of sitting idle. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 97 18:47:39 UT From: "DAVID MUMMERY" To: fordtrucks80up Subject: RE: 1986 F-250 Diff. question Message-Id: Easy, just find somewhere that you can get away with spinning the tires a little. Do just that. If one tire spins you have an open rearend and if both spin it is a locking rearend. Or jack the rearend up so both tires are off the ground. Then have someone put a little pressure on one tire and turd the other. Once agai if both tires turn then you have a diff. with a locking or limited slip. Have fun ---------- From: Mike Marcum Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 1997 10:59 AM To: 'fordtrucks80up Subject: 1986 F-250 Diff. question I have a 1986 F-250 Ext. Cab 4x4. 8800lb GVW, 351 4V, and C6 AT. Question: How Can I tell if I have a Limited Slip rear end? I have just replaced one of the rear axle seals, and according to the parts house, I have a Spicer 61 rear, with a 10.25" ring gear. A tag on the front axle says 4.10, so I am assuming that this is referring to the ratio (which it makes sense, since the truck is rated pretty heavy, and it has a small-block engine) I want to change the diff. fluid, but I want to know if I need the special kind for Limited Slip diffs. Thanks. - Mike (mikem > ____________________________________________________________________ Message distributed via http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.lofcom.com/ For help send subject "HELP" to:fordtrucks80up-request Comments and suggestions are welcome, use: kpayne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 97 18:18:35 UT From: "DAVID MUMMERY" To: fordtrucks80up Subject: RE: ford 4.0 exhaust sound Message-Id: Talk to the folks at Flow master. They have an exhaust for just about everything. Or any shop that sells aftermarket stuff should be able to help. Being in Ca there should not be a problem of that. As for emmisions, Ford will let you play with the exhaust after the cats. so the Flow Masters will do the job On a side note you might also get a little bit more preformance. Good Luck :) ---------- From: Jordan Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 1997 4:14 PM To: fordtrucks80up Subject: ford 4.0 exhaust sound Okay I got a question, does anyone have suggestions (preferably from experience) on how to make my 93 explorer sport (with 4.0) have a louder, deep sounding exhaust note??? I don't want to make it higher and cheesy sounding though. I notice the current exhaust pipe has 3 chambers is this really neccessary? P.S. anything I do to it must be legal, thankfully I don't live in CA and I don't have to worry about legallity too much. ____________________________________________________________________ Message distributed via http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.lofcom.com/ For help send subject "HELP" to:fordtrucks80up-request Comments and suggestions are welcome, use: kpayne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 16:12:36 +0100 From: droberts To: fordtrucks80up Subject: Re: HELP MY BRONCO II Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dear Clay: I had a simialr deal on a different vehical (86 F-150), it was the Throttle .... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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