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fordtrucks80up-digest Digest Volume 97 : Issue 58

Today's Topics:

97 Ranger mileage ["Bob Leifer" ]
Re: F150 Bad starts [belfast4 juno.com (Dennis M Sloan) ]
Re: 97 Ranger mileage [Chris Kelly ]
Re: Borla exhaust [ir002129 mindspring.com (Dave Armbr]
Re: 5 speed Ranger auto transmission [ir002129 mindspring.com (Dave Armbr]
Re: 5 speed Ranger auto transmission [Gardner ]
ford 4.0 exhaust sound [Jordan ]
080322383312636 ["mark" ]
Re: 93 Explorer-Two items [Rick Horwitz ]
Re: 93 Explorer-Two items [mrkrispy webtv.net (Ian Holter) ]
5.4 L comparison test ["Jack Lubinski"
Re: 97 Ranger mileage [Max Dooley
Spare Tire Size was:97 Ranger mileag ["Bryce Beyler" ]
Re: 93 Explorer-Two items [GMPACHECO aol.com ]

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Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 11:49:20 -0400
From: "Bob Leifer"
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This is in response to Thomas Stoner's info regarding my poor gas mileage
on my new 1997 Ranger. Sorry for the long message here.

This is, as I mention previously, a 4X2, regular cab, 4speed automatic job
the 3.0 liter engine. I now have a hard tonneau cover on the bed. It has the
regular type 3.73 rear ( I can count the turn ratio to verify), P225/70R14
tires. I have no tachometer on this truck, but by sound alone, it sure is
not over reving, and the tranny sounds like it is shifting at the normal
shift points, with normal compensation for accelleration/ throttle
positions. The speedometer seems accurate (odometer, anyway) in a short run
that I know is exactly 3.6 miles to within a less than tenth mile
difference, if any at all. I will try to find a more accurate, longer
stretch, but here on Long Island NY, the mile markers are few and far
between, if any. You think they are there, but when you try to use them,
where'd they go? The 3.0 liter engine has got a big 3 cast into the top of
one of the valve covers ( I will look again) If I had the 4.0 liter in this
thing, I would expect lots more zip than it has. No offense meant to those
with the 2.3 liter 4 banger, but I took one for a test run, also with the
automatic, and it is much too sluggish. Not to say that I have a heavy foot
on the gas pedal, I don't; just thought that one day, while trying to get on
the expressway from an on ramp, that an 18 wheeler would run me over. But
they don't normally drive in the right lane, do they?

Of course, I will continue to monitor the mileage,and hope for the best.

One more thing: I went under the truck and noticed that the spare, although
it was not a emergency donut, was only a P205 70R14, not a 225. I went to
the dealer, and was told that the 225 would not fit in the spare wheel well
underneath. I will call Ford today on that. Anybody else no about this?

Take Care,

Bob

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Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 12:16:33 -0400
From: belfast4 juno.com (Dennis M Sloan)
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: Re: F150 Bad starts
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I'm assuming you have fuel injection, could be your pump pressure
isn't up to par. Also do you have dual tanks? Maybe a bad fuel pump.
You said only happens when sitting a long time, try turning on ignition
key & waiting a minute for fuel pressure to build up.
Let us know when you find a solution.
BIG D
τΏτ I was wrong once, but I was mistaken τΏτ

On Mon, 4 Aug 1997 15:31:25 GMT ketchj trip.net writes:
>Hello out there,
>
> I have a 91 F150 5.0 and have been having some crappy starts
>lately.
>The tuck starts out okay, but after 3-5 sec, it starts to die, and
>will if I
>don't feed her a little gas. It almost acts like it has water in the
>engine, but this only happens when she has been sitting for 12+ hours.
> I am
>perplexed - I have changed all the filters, plugs, wires, and even
>that pain
>in the but computer under the distributer cap. Does anyone have any
>ideas
>on what it may be? I am living in South Texas, where it gets down to
>80
>degrees at night with 90% humidity - so I don't think the truck is
>cold.
>Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>J=E4n
>J=E4n Erik Ketchum
>ketchj trip.net
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 14:06:40 -0400
From: Chris Kelly
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
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Bob Leifer wrote:
>
> This is in response to Thomas Stoner's info regarding my poor gas mileage
> on my new 1997 Ranger. Sorry for the long message here.
>
> This is, as I mention previously, a 4X2, regular cab, 4speed automatic job
> the 3.0 liter engine. I now have a hard tonneau cover on the bed. It has the
> regular type 3.73 rear ( I can count the turn ratio to verify), P225/70R14
> tires. I have no tachometer on this truck, but by sound alone, it sure is
> not over reving, and the tranny sounds like it is shifting at the normal
> shift points, with normal compensation for accelleration/ throttle
> positions. The speedometer seems accurate (odometer, anyway) in a short run
> that I know is exactly 3.6 miles to within a less than tenth mile
> difference, if any at all. I will try to find a more accurate, longer
> stretch, but here on Long Island NY, the mile markers are few and far
> between, if any. You think they are there, but when you try to use them,
> where'd they go? The 3.0 liter engine has got a big 3 cast into the top of
> one of the valve covers ( I will look again) If I had the 4.0 liter in this
> thing, I would expect lots more zip than it has. No offense meant to those
> with the 2.3 liter 4 banger, but I took one for a test run, also with the
> automatic, and it is much too sluggish. Not to say that I have a heavy foot
> on the gas pedal, I don't; just thought that one day, while trying to get on
> the expressway from an on ramp, that an 18 wheeler would run me over. But
> they don't normally drive in the right lane, do they?
>
> Of course, I will continue to monitor the mileage,and hope for the best.
>
> One more thing: I went under the truck and noticed that the spare, although
> it was not a emergency donut, was only a P205 70R14, not a 225. I went to
> the dealer, and was told that the 225 would not fit in the spare wheel well
> underneath. I will call Ford today on that. Anybody else no about this?
>
> Take Care,
>
> Bob
>
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My 2.3 has plenty of zip in my splash, of course I have the 5 speed,
helps quite a bit. It's just as quick as my buddy's 92 Ranger 3.0 auto.

Anyway the spare tire bit. My truck has 235/60/15 on it and the spare is
the same size and fits in the tire holder. I think someone at Ford is
full of sh**! Good luck!

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Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 14:48:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: ir002129 mindspring.com (Dave Armbruster)
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
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What's not to like (besides the price)? It is louder than stock, that for
sure, but not to point of being annoying, and it is mellower, not quite a
good sounding V8, but better than most V6s. In fact, on the highway, it
doesn't even sound louder until you downshift and pass, and that's really
when I notice the difference between stock and Borla, it develops the
passing power much quicker and smoother. As far as mpg, hard to say for
sure, but the truck does pull and rev easier (also added a K&N for better
airflow). It is completely S/S, where as some are just stainless tips. It
bolted right up and all the hangers and dimensions were perfect. I bought
mine through Summit Racing (BTW, very happy with their service), but I am
sorry that I don't remember the exact price off the top of my head. Borla
gets almost $700 if you buy it directly from them, if memory services me
properly. I just really liked the all Stainless construction (so it has a
million mile warranty or something), since mine is 4x4 and sees enough muck
and water and junk, that I did want to have to crawl under and replace
pipes and mufflers every year or two. And, the tips are finned, pretty
beefy looking to the passerby. I will say, though, that the pipes get
really hot, although the muffler itself and tip that comes close to the
body don't get too bad.

Hope that helps, email privately if you want to,
Dave

>Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 10:08:59 EDT
>From: silent.bob juno.com (Silent . Bob)
>To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
>Subject: Brola exhaust
>Message-ID:
>
>On Sun, 3 Aug 1997 22:04:09 -0400 (EDT) ir002129 mindspring.com (Dave
>Armbruster) writes:
>
>>and I've added Borla exhaust, a K&N and run Mobil One 5W-30. BTW, my
>
>How do you like the Borla exhaust, and how does it sound? I was thinking
>about getting it for my truck as well, but the $342 list price is kinda
>high.
>
>
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Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 15:00:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: ir002129 mindspring.com (Dave Armbruster)
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I have the 5 speed auto. I think this a new option for '97, so I don't
know much on the reliabilty. It is truly a 4 speed auto with an overdrive.
If you turn off the OD, it shifts through 4 gears. I am not even sure if
it a new transmission or a reworked E4OD. In my experience, though, it
tends to shift into and out of OD quite a bit on the highway, so might be a
good idea to option for the lower gears (I have the standard 3.27s on my
4x4), might let it keep the engine a little higher in its torque band at
higher speeds. At 65 mph, my 4.0L is turning just at 2,000 rpm, and with
OD off (and the converter locked up) it is usually closer to 2,500 rpm.
The reason I decided on the auto verses the stick came down to the
reliability of the Mazda 5 speed verses, IMHO, better built autos.

My $.02
Dave

>Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 11:47:06 -0400
>From: Harold Bucks
>To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
>Subject: 5 speed Ranger auto transmission
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>I'm considering buying a Ranger. The last Ranger I owned had a manual
>5-speed and I was satisfied with it. The truck I'm considering is on
>the lot and has all the "extras" that I want but has a 5-speed automatic
>transmission. Can anyone shed some light on the reliability of this
>transmission and can you drain the torque converter like the E40D?
>Thanks for any reply.
>
>harold.bucks 1usa.com
>
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Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 17:15:57 -0500
From: Gardner
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Dave Armbruster wrote:
>
> I have the 5 speed auto. I think this a new option for '97, so I don't
> know much on the reliabilty. It is truly a 4 speed auto with an overdrive.
> If you turn off the OD, it shifts through 4 gears. I am not even sure if
> it a new transmission or a reworked E4OD. In my experience, though, it
> tends to shift into and out of OD quite a bit on the highway, so might be a
> good idea to option for the lower gears (I have the standard 3.27s on my
> 4x4), might let it keep the engine a little higher in its torque band at
> higher speeds. At 65 mph, my 4.0L is turning just at 2,000 rpm, and with
> OD off (and the converter locked up) it is usually closer to 2,500 rpm.
> The reason I decided on the auto verses the stick came down to the
> reliability of the Mazda 5 speed verses, IMHO, better built autos.
>
> My $.02
> Dave
>
> >Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 11:47:06 -0400
> >From: Harold Bucks
> >To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
> >Subject: 5 speed Ranger auto transmission
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> >I'm considering buying a Ranger. The last Ranger I owned had a manual
> >5-speed and I was satisfied with it. The truck I'm considering is on
> >the lot and has all the "extras" that I want but has a 5-speed automatic
> >transmission. Can anyone shed some light on the reliability of this
> >transmission and can you drain the torque converter like the E40D?
> >Thanks for any reply.
> >
> >harold.bucks 1usa.com
> >
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Its a reworked 34OD...read Motor Trends article, I think last month!
Just found another gear in betwenn 2 and 3rd I think! Same thing they
did with the 3 spd auto to make it a 4 speed! Hope this helps! I found
neither the stick or auto to be reallt dependable

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Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 16:14:44 -0500
From: Jordan
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: ford 4.0 exhaust sound
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Okay I got a question, does anyone have suggestions (preferably from
experience) on how to make my 93 explorer sport (with 4.0) have a louder,
deep sounding exhaust note??? I don't want to make it higher and cheesy
sounding though. I notice the current exhaust pipe has 3 chambers is this
really neccessary?
P.S. anything I do to it must be legal, thankfully I don't live in CA
and I don't have to worry about legallity too much.

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Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:05:58 -0700
From: "mark"
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Thank you for the reply's, I will check on that stuff. I'm am still having
problems with knoking and
pinging while under load or not. Also some loss of power. I thought it
might be the fi sys?


HELP, mark

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Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 17:04:14 -0700
From: Rick Horwitz
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Sorry, I don't have a clue.

Rick

At 03:43 PM 8/1/97 -0400, you wrote:
>1. My ABS light on my 4x4 Explorer has tended to come on and off over the
>last year. The Ford dealer has replaced the right front sensor and now the
>left front sensor and the light still comes on periodically. The dealer
>says that the diagnostics now leads them around in a cirle. (Are we
>surprised about that?). Does anybody have a clue about what might be going
>on?
>
>2. My tachometer has read low intermittently almost since I bought the car
>and the car tends to ping intermittenly at highway speeds. I believe these
>two occurences may be related. Does anybody have an opinion on this?
>
>Thanks,Dale
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>Dale
>
>
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Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 20:25:47 -0400
From: mrkrispy webtv.net (Ian Holter)
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: Re: 93 Explorer-Two items
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My suggestion to you would be to check the compute brain (ECM) , check
all connections to the ECM -sending units and sensors connected to ABS
and gauges. Good luck Ian

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Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 20:14:46 -0500
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I am also interested in finding out more about the trailer towing
capability of ford's 5.4 vs dodge and General motors trucks of comparable
engine size. A subscriber mentioned Trailer Life Magazine had a good
comparison test. I checked around today and could not find a copy anywhere
including the neighbourhood library.

Anyone have a brief summary they care to share about the article in the
Trailer Life magazine (June 1997).

Thanks in advance. Jack Lubinski
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color=3D"#000000" face=3D"Arial">I am also interested in finding out =
more about the trailer towing capability of ford's 5.4 vs dodge and =
General motors trucks of comparable engine size.  A subscriber =
mentioned Trailer Life Magazine had a good comparison test.  I =
checked around today and could not find a copy anywhere including the =
neighbourhood library.Anyone have a brief summary they care to =
share about the article in the Trailer Life magazine (June =
1997).Thanks in advance.   Jack Lubinski

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Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 21:23:21 -0400
From: Max Dooley
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
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Bob Leifer wrote:
>
> This is in response to Thomas Stoner's info regarding my poor gas mileage
> on my new 1997 Ranger. Sorry for the long message here.
>
> This is, as I mention previously, a 4X2, regular cab, 4speed automatic job
> the 3.0 liter engine. I now have a hard tonneau cover on the bed. It has the
> regular type 3.73 rear ( I can count the turn ratio to verify), P225/70R14
> tires. I have no tachometer on this truck, but by sound alone, it sure is
> not over reving, and the tranny sounds like it is shifting at the normal
> shift points, with normal compensation for accelleration/ throttle
> positions. The speedometer seems accurate (odometer, anyway) in a short run
> that I know is exactly 3.6 miles to within a less than tenth mile
> difference, if any at all. I will try to find a more accurate, longer
> stretch, but here on Long Island NY, the mile markers are few and far
> between, if any. You think they are there, but when you try to use them,
> where'd they go? The 3.0 liter engine has got a big 3 cast into the top of
> one of the valve covers ( I will look again) If I had the 4.0 liter in this
> thing, I would expect lots more zip than it has. No offense meant to those
> with the 2.3 liter 4 banger, but I took one for a test run, also with the
> automatic, and it is much too sluggish. Not to say that I have a heavy foot
> on the gas pedal, I don't; just thought that one day, while trying to get on
> the expressway from an on ramp, that an 18 wheeler would run me over. But
> they don't normally drive in the right lane, do they?
>
> Of course, I will continue to monitor the mileage,and hope for the best.
>
> One more thing: I went under the truck and noticed that the spare, although
> it was not a emergency donut, was only a P205 70R14, not a 225. I went to
> the dealer, and was told that the 225 would not fit in the spare wheel well
> underneath. I will call Ford today on that. Anybody else no about this?
>
> Take Care,
>
> Bob
>
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Like I mentioned earlier, my father has a '93 3.0L 2wd splash standard
cab. I spoke with him about his mileage and he informed me that he has
averaged 23 to 24 mpg for the last three tank fulls. We live in the
country and therefore do very little city driving. hope this info
helps.

P.s. the only mod to the truck at the present time is a K & N filter
that did help his mileage slightly.

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Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 21:47:45 -0400
From: "Bryce Beyler"
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I think the dealer is BSing you...My '97 Ranger XLT 4x4 SuperCab has a
225/75R15 spare tire in the underbed carrier... but I've got the 265/75R15
tires on my truck... They must slip everyone a spare that is the next size
smaller offered ;^)

Bryce

'97 Ranger XLT 4x4 SuperCab....


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