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Return-Path: From: fordtrucks80up-digest-request Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 23:16:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: t3.media3.net: lof set sender to fordtrucks80up-digest-request Subject: fordtrucks80up-digest Digest V97 #40 X-Loop: fordtrucks80up-digest X-Mailing-List: archive/volume97/40 X-Distributed-By: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.lofcom.com/ To: fordtrucks80up-digest Reply-To: fordtrucks80up ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain fordtrucks80up-digest Digest Volume 97 : Issue 40 Today's Topics: to keep a ranger??? [yhtlines 86 F150? [yhtlines Re: PowerStroke: Axle Ratios [Don Grossman ] Minor Power Mods for 1991 F-150 5.0L ["Shawn & Jennifer Clark" Re: fordtrucks80up-digest Digest V97 [Bill Funk ] 97 ford 4x4 ext.cab ["Jack Lubinski" Re: K&N Filter [silent.bob lifter noise help [Bakend Re: IMPORTANT ADMIN NEWS, PLEASE REA [Chris James ] K Filters [ksbdj00 Free Catalog [ksbdj00 HELP-circuit overload?? ["dpjp" ] Re: HELP-circuit overload?? [Kenneth Overton ] Re: K&N Filter ["chita" ] Re: IMPORTANT ADMIN NEWS, PLEASE REA [gpierce Re: K&N Filter [Jeff Fairbairn Re: No Subject [CRock21 Ford E-150 front ends - What to look ["Scott Costanzo" Re: IMPORTANT ADMIN NEWS, PLEASE REA [Ken Payne ] Message-Id: ] Big Toe [ksbdj00 Administrivia: ____________________________________________________________________ Message distributed via http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.lofcom.com/ For help send subject "HELP" to:fordtrucks80up-digest-request Comments and suggestions are welcome, use: kpayne ____________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 20:05:10 -0700 From: yhtlines To: knowlson Cc: fordtrucks80up Subject: to keep a ranger??? Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Kyle wrote: " I currently own a 1983 Ford Ranger, 2.8 V6, 3 speed auto., 2wd., 142,000 miles The body of the truck is in decent shape and the paint is still ok, the frame and suspension are fine, the interior is fine, but the driveline pretty much seems to suck. I have had numerous problems since I bought the truck from the ignigtion system to the carbuerator to the transmission. I really like the truck, but it just doesn't seem to be worth fixing anymore. The only problems right now are that for some reason it dies sometimes when I come to a stop or almost to a stop, and it leaks some oil(mostly from the valve covers) and transmission fluid. If anyone has any suggestion on what I should do with the truck, such as get the engine rebuilt, buy a new 2.8 engine and transmission, or to try to put a different engine in the truck and weather or not it would be worth it to do anything to the truck, or if anyone know of a good place to get more information on fixing up the truck a little... PLEASE let me know. Thanks." Kyle: I had an 83 2.8 long bed 4x, that I dearly loved for the longest time. Some of the carb/computer problems drove me wild, and I finally sold it. I bought at 50 k miles for $4500. New tires and front end parts required at that time. The manual Mazda five speed started going out at 98k miles, but this was hidden by a jiffy lube fluid change to heavier oil. At 125k, it cost me $1300 to repair. I had the engine rebuilt at that time, as my son had driven it home with no water in it when the bottom mounted thremosatat failed closed. Both heads were cracked. The rebuilder said most 2.8's have cracked heads. I loved the rebuild, lots more power. A week into the break in, my wild son took it to La Paz (Baja), 3500 miles on a banzai run. It was fine. The quitting on deacceleration for me was the air divertor valve failing open, so that the engine only ever saw cold air. This one needs warm air at idle or it will not run. I almost killed some people when the darn engine quit on me that way, in a turn. Lose engine, steering, and brakes when it dies. Not fun. The dealer cost me $500 and he did not fix it, turned out to be a bunch of number-running, gold chain wearing, coke addicts from Las Vegas. I sat down with a buddy and went thru it logically and found the problem in 3 minutes. Stupid me. The new air valve was 15 dollars. The original was prone to failure. Valve covers? Get cork gaskets and torque up proper with the right hold down thingys. Until you burn them with the exhaust they won't leak. I never could get the rubber ones to stop leaking. And I never could get those darn solid lifters adjusted correctly either. The shop did a good job though. The 83's were the first ones out of the hatchery, and came with smaller brakes etc. If you like it, then keep it. My decision at 200k was to sell it and get a healthy F150 with a 302/auto. No more Japanese five speeds for me! I'm told the automatics are american and cheaper to work on . If you had a later model with the top mounted thremostat and an EFI system, and auto, I would say keep it. But that darn carburetor is a darn shame, especially if you have to have it smogged. Oh yes, we put 3 or 4 radiators in it, and Ford was not supporting the hydraulic clutch arrangement at last glance. That darn thing is why I finally stopped in and got a new F150 one afternoon. My Ranger was a fairly good investment (?) and I enjoyed the heck out of it. It was a great size for todays world (outside but not in) as compared to my behemoth F150,,,,but the F150 is sooooo much more comfortable! (wordy, but precise) Dave Lampert---good luck. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 20:44:13 -0700 From: yhtlines To: fordtrucks80up Cc: fordtrucks80up Subject: 86 F150? Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Brian3E > > A couple of years back I bought a '86 F150 Supercab 4X4 5.0L, AT (with OD) > which had evidently been bought with a camper package but nothing special for > towing heavy loads. Now I want to tow a 27' fifth wheel (about 4500-4900 lbs > unloaded) and figure that I need to do some additional work. I think that my > springs and shocks are OK but plan to put in a heavy duty radiator and an > auxilliary transmission oil cooler. > > 1. Should I put on some provision for engine oil cooling? > 2. According to the Haynes book (repair manual) there seems to be two > options for radiator fans: A five blade with clutch (which I have-my cluch > has an exposed spring in front) and a seven bladed fan which is a direct > drive off the fan pulley. a) Is either adequate? b) Is the seven blade > better even though it may cost me mileage? > 3. I put in a K&N filter last week which seems give me a little more power. > I saw someone else talking about a replacement air box in addition to the > K&N filter. Where can I get more information on this? > 4. I am considering upgrading the exhaust system to a high flow catalytic > converter and muffler. Do you think that this will help give me a few more > horsepower? > 5. Even though the Ford owners' manual indicates the truck can hack it, do > you think that I'm pushing its capabilities too much? Brian, you didn't state what gears you have? My 95 F150 with tow package and 1000# rear springs tows my 5000# boat very nicely. Yes it has a big trans cooler, HD radiator and all that. If you have the 4x with camper package, I'd be surprised your rear springs, radiator and fan aren't ok already. You day it doesn't have a trans cooler? My truck has the light rear springs, so it sets down early on the overloads (head light problems on two lanes), but is other wise fine. I do have the handling package, which is just the rear sway bar, which I suspect you already have. I would not go for the solid fan, keep the clutch. The noise is horrendous. And the power drag. Clean up your cooling system, replace the 11 yr old radiator with a bigger one if necessary, clean the tranny fluid, and maybe add a shift kit. Hey, this will keep it stock and you may be a little slow on hills, but you;'re out to enjoy aren;t you? (your 4x and xtra cab are adding weight of course--shoulda been ordered with a 351 intially). I'd be interested in what you find in high flow cats, as my son has an 88 302 4x and I've promised him more power! (does your 302 have sefi?). Dave Lampert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 19:47:42 +0000 From: Don Grossman To: fordtrucks80up Subject: Re: PowerStroke: Axle Ratios Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I today will confirm that the power stroke it a torker. Both of us dead stop at the light. Me truck 390. Them PowerStroke and get this Crew cab and a 12' utility body. He got me on a 2-3 shift. -- Don Grossman duckdon The scene; Bunch of NASA guys looking at TV monitor. "Look, A ROCK!" 63 Ford F-250 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 23:31:01 -0500 From: "Shawn & Jennifer Clark" To: Subject: Minor Power Mods for 1991 F-150 5.0L Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi- I have been following this and another Ford list for several days. I have recently acquired a 1991 F-150 Supercab w/5.0L and the E4OD. The engine seems to be in good shape but makes a bit less power than I anticipated when I need to pass, so I am looking for a few extra ponies. I am looking for recommendations on what works and what does not, as well as recommended parts vendors (price & knowledge.) My current plan is to order a drop-in K&N filter in the next few days. Is there any reason that I should be looking for an airbox replacement instead? I have put replacement intake and cone K&N's in two cars with great results, but their intakes seemed more restricted than the Ford over-the-radiator intake. The OEM muffler is getting a bit porous so I am considering a cat-back system as well. The stock pipe at roughly 2.5" is only a little larger than the system I have on my 4 cylinder, so it seems a bit undersized. I don't mind a little more sound than stock but I would like to avoid anything that is "boomy" at highway speeds. It is OK if it roars when I have it floored, but I want to avoid extensive drone on long drives. Any recommendations on cat-backs? Another person has suggested bumping the timing up a tad. I will probably do this. I am also thinking about indexing the plugs, but I have not tried this before--any advice and does this help the 5.0L V-8's much? Thanks, Shawn Clark e-mail: sd&jkclark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 22:31:54 -0700 From: Bill Funk To: fordtrucks80up Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest Digest V97 #39 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > From: John D. Bowne > > Subject: PowerStroke: Axle Ratios > > Howdy, > > > > I think that this was recently discussed here, but I, unfortunately, > wasn't > > really paying much attention. Sorry. > > > > I am looking at ordering a F350 PowerStroke 4WD CrewCab and seem to have > > resolved most of the option issues, but there is still one that has got > me > > stumped. > > > > I'm mainly looking at fuel mileage, rather than raw towing capacity. I > > would also like to have a limited slip rear axle, mainly for snow/dirt > > traction. I'm looking at a Auto transmission, but I'm not sure whether > the > > 4.10 or the 3.55 is the proper setup. > > > > The reason that I am worried, is that I have a '90 F250 4WD SuperCab with > a > > 5.8l, and a 5 speed manual, this has a 3.55 axle set. To say that this > > truck won't get out of its own way is charitable at best. In addition, > the > > gas mileage has been pretty poor, on a very gentle (easy on the gas) long > > trip the mileage might, might, get to 14 mpg. Usually, its closer to > 10-11. > > When I bought the truck (used), I thought that this axle/tranny setup > would > > be a good setup. > > > > What I really don't want to do is to specify a replica of this problem. > The > > local dealers all seem to have units with 4.10's on the floor (yard), but > > they say that most buyers of the F350, want the highest possible towing > > capacity, hence the 4.10's. > > > > Most of my driving in the lower elevations around Portland Or. However, I > > recently bought a bunch of land in Montana, and the ability to > comfortably > > and efficiently travel to 6000 ft with a decent (2-3000 lbs) trailer > would > > be a real stong plus. > > > > Sorry about the length of the post, but I want to be right about this. > > > > Thanks in advance for your valued input.... > > > > johnbo If you would weigh that truck, I think you'd see that the mileage you are getting is pretty reasonable. Trucks aren't like cars; when you get to the bigger ones, they tend to be purpose-built. What the salesmen are telling you is that people who buy big F-350 4X4 Diesel Crew-Cabs have a specific need for them, and mileage is not that much of a concern. Hence, the 4.10's. That large a truck will weigh more than your F-250 (my '91 F-250 SuperCab 4X2 460 weighs damn near 3 tons!), and will eat a lot of fuel to move around. Being Diesel will help, but not all that much. Maybe you are looking at too much truck? -- Bill Funk President, ASCII User Group http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.starlink.com/~ascii ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 08:42:44 -0500 From: "Jack Lubinski" To: Subject: 97 ford 4x4 ext.cab Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BC91C4.3AA76E00" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BC91C4.3AA76E00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello fellow ford enthusiasts! I am currently looking at a new ford ext cab 4x4 as a tow vehicle for an RV and thought someone out there may have some of their own exerpiences to share in this regard. The truck I looked at is a light duty f250 5.4 litre auto. The travel trailer weight is 6,500 - 7,000 gvw. The big question I have is... do I need to go to this size of vehicle or will the 4.6 F150 4x4 be adequate. From what I hear from other folks, the 5.4 liter eats a lot more gas. Second part is, do I need the F250. By the way, rear end ratio for both is 3:55 with trailer tow package. What kind of gas mileage can be expected with the 4.6 and 5.4. Thanks in advance for your reply(s). e-mail maple ------=_NextPart_000_01BC91C4.3AA76E00 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable color=3D"#000000" face=3D"Arial">Hello fellow ford enthusiasts!I = am currently looking at a new ford ext cab 4x4 as a tow vehicle = for an RV and thought someone out there may have some of their own = exerpiences to share in this regard. The truck I looked at is a = light duty f250 5.4 litre auto. The travel trailer weight is 6,500 = - 7,000 gvw.The big question I have is... do I need to go to = this size of vehicle or will the 4.6 F150 4x4 be adequate. = From what I hear from other folks, the 5.4 liter eats = a lot more gas. Second part is, do I need the F250. By = the way, rear end ratio for both is 3:55 with trailer tow = package.What kind of gas mileage can be expected with the 4.6 = and 5.4.Thanks in advance for your reply(s).e-mail = maple ------=_NextPart_000_01BC91C4.3AA76E00-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 09:41:27 EDT From: silent.bob To: fordtrucks80up Subject: Re: K&N Filter Message-ID: On Tue, 15 Jul 1997 14:47:07 -0500 (CDT) ksbdj00 Bradford Durkee) writes: >> >> I have been reading a lot about the K&N filter on this list. Where >do you >> get it? Would it fit a '94 Econoline six? >> >> >> >> Charles Cohn, chasmagc >> 6311 Mark Trail, Austell, Georgia 30168 >> USA >> >> voice: 770-944-7510 >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________________ >> Message distributed via http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.lofcom.com/ >> For help send subject "HELP" to:fordtrucks80up-request >> Comments and suggestions are welcome, use: kpayne >> >Well I got mine at Super Shops in Houston but Any speed parts store or > >off-road shop that sells K&N filters should be able to order one for >you. >On your van if you have the space then no problem(remember this air >cleaner is quite large and oval shaped. > >BRAD JOHNSON >ksbdj00 What kind of truck do you drive Brad? I went to the Super Shops off Antoine looking for one for my truck, and they didnt have it in stock. I wasnt there to look for it, at that time I took a friend there to get some parts for old ford uni-body truck we were working on and looked around to see what they had. (Snake Oil i.e. Slick 50, etc.*MUST READ*) http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.euro.net/TDRS/MINIWEB/oil_additives.html .---. .----------- / \ __ / ------ fox / / \(..)/ ----- http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.FordManTed.com (Mustang Shop) ////// ' \/ ` --- http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.FordRanger.com (Ranger Site) //// / // : : --- // / / /` '-- // //..\ =======UU====UU===[95 Ranger XLT 2.3L]=[silent.bob '//||\` ''`` ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 10:00:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Bakend To: fordtrucks80up Subject: lifter noise help Message-ID: Have 1987 Ranger with 30,000 miles on rebuit engine. Occasionally suffers >lifter rattle.Tried adjusting tappets but noise came right back. Oil pressure >is good. Anyone heard or had similar problem? Is it worth changing the noisy >lifter?(only intake of #1 cylinder makes noise >bakend ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 08:58:02 -0700 From: Chris James To: fordtrucks80up Subject: Re: IMPORTANT ADMIN NEWS, PLEASE READ Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sound like a good idea. I would like a catalog aas well ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 11:54:26 -0500 (CDT) From: ksbdj00 To: fordtrucks80up Subject: K Filters Message-Id: Content-Type: text Hi all , Okay The filter on my truck is a oval shaped unit that replaces the factory airbox .This filter is huge and completly different from the 30.00 dollars rectangle filter that K&N also makes. Stupid Shops (super shops) in Houston (gessner) has the kix for any Ford I-6,5.0,5.8,or 7.5 gas engine.If the first guy you speak with dosen't know about it then talk to someone else. This product has been out for a while now but , you might have to order it. Now does any one have any info on the cat-back system from flowmaster that is my next project 3inch inlet\outlet muffler and pipe . I hope it will sound better that stock. I am a collage student in Kingsville Texas and do not work for K&N (might like to fry cook is old) Brad Johnson Houston, Texas------ksbdj00 Texas A& I Kingsville, Texas ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 11:59:51 -0500 (CDT) From: ksbdj00 To: fordtrucks80up Subject: Free Catalog Message-Id: Content-Type: text sounds good to me .The catalog is a nice idea also-maybe they have K&N filters too???? Brad ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 16:35:56 -0500 From: "dpjp" To: Subject: HELP-circuit overload?? Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I own a 1982 E-150 my problem is when I turn on my heater/ac blower fan the relay trips, I replaced the fan motor,resistors,switch and relocated the ground wire for the circuit. I amp checked the system and am only pulling 11-12 amps on the high speed setting ,and that's where the problem begins. When ever the fan is running on high for a 15-20 minute period the relay trips,only on high and the a/c does not have to be on. I have checked schematics and I can not see what I might be overlooking. Any help out there would be greatly appreciated. Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 17:12:20 -0400 From: Kenneth Overton To: fordtrucks80up Subject: Re: HELP-circuit overload?? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit dpjp wrote: > I own a 1982 E-150 my problem is when I turn on my heater/ac blower > fan the > relay trips, I replaced the fan motor,resistors,switch and relocated > the > ground wire for the circuit. I amp checked the system and am only > pulling > 11-12 amps on the high speed setting ,and that's where the problem > begins. > When ever the fan is running on high for a 15-20 minute period the > relay > trips,only on high and the a/c does not have to be on. I have checked > schematics and I can not see what I might be overlooking. Any help out > > there would be greatly appreciated. > Dennis > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Message distributed via http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.lofcom.com/ > For help send subject "HELP" to:fordtrucks80up-request > Comments and suggestions are welcome, use: kpayne This problem could be as simple as a bad relay. I work in aircraft electronics, and this problem shows up quite often. Any overload protection circuit is based on heat. Overloading or a circuit drawing too much current basically generates heat. This heat is what burns out fuses or causes a circuit breaker to trip. When the circuit breaker gets week, it will not hold at it's rated amperage, or "heat" rating. Hope this helps. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 14:57:20 -0700 From: "chita" To: Subject: Re: K&N Filter Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- > >> I have been reading a lot about the K&N filter on this list. Where > >do you > >> get it? Would it fit a '94 Econoline six? Yes. Call Diesel Injection Services - They can provide any K&N filter, not just the ones for diesels. When I went looking, they had the best price and service. They even discount the cleaning kit, which nobody else did. If you order something they don't keep in inventory, you get it sent directly from K&N, but with the DIS discount. I've ordered K&N filters for all my cars, including a 1970 Volvo. Saved a mint, just on that one. I ordered a bunch of stuff for my Ford diesel and it came extremely well wrapped and two days earlier than promised. Saved at least 25% over my nearest Ford dealer too, even after shipping (filters don't weigh much). Very helpful guys at DIS. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dieselpage.com (800) 658-9355 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 16:55:42 -0400 From: gpierce To: fordtrucks80up Subject: Re: IMPORTANT ADMIN NEWS, PLEASE READ Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ken !! Great Idea as so long as we still have control of our site list.. GO for IT. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 18:48:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeff Fairbairn To: fordtrucks80up Subject: Re: K&N Filter Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:57 PM 7/16/97 -0700, you wrote: > > >---------- >> >> I have been reading a lot about the K&N filter on this list. Where >> >do you >> >> get it? Would it fit a '94 Econoline six? > > Yes. Call Diesel Injection Services - They can provide any K&N filter, not >just the ones for diesels. When I went looking, they had the best price and >service. They even discount the cleaning kit, which nobody else did. If you >order something they don't keep in inventory, you get it sent directly from >K&N, but with the DIS discount. I've ordered K&N filters for all my cars, >including a 1970 Volvo. Saved a mint, just on that one. I ordered a bunch >of stuff for my Ford diesel and it came extremely well wrapped and two days >earlier than promised. Saved at least 25% over my nearest Ford dealer too, >even after shipping (filters don't weigh much). Very helpful guys at DIS. > > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dieselpage.com (800) 658-9355 > > I have a K&N drop in filter in my 96 F-150 4x4 (302). You just remove the old filter and drop this one in. It seems to give more power and saves on replacement costs. I live on the gravel roads in Canada (quebec) and tend to use 4 filters a year before I changed to K&N. Regards, Jeff 96 F-150 4x4 95 Ford 5030 4x4 (tractor) >____________________________________________________________________ >Message distributed via http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.lofcom.com/ >For help send subject "HELP" to:fordtrucks80up-request >Comments and suggestions are welcome, use: kpayne > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 19:30:41 -0400 (EDT) From: CRock21 To: fordtrucks80up Subject: Re: No Subject Message-ID: You can get "good" spark plug wires at a Hi Performance type auto parts store, or a speed shop. Happy searching ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 21:51:38 -0400 From: "Scott Costanzo" To: Subject: Ford E-150 front ends - What to look for Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just bought my first Ford. It's an 87 E-150 with a 302EFI and a overdrive auto with about 110,000 on it. Can anyone tell me how the front ends hold up on these things and what usually wears out first? I just greased it and everything appears tight. Thanks Scott ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 22:08:08 -0400 From: Ken Payne To: fordtrucks80up Subject: Re: IMPORTANT ADMIN NEWS, PLEASE READ Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:55 PM 7/16/97 -0400, you wrote: >Ken !! > >Great Idea as so long as we still have control of our site list.. > >GO for IT. > I would offer them no more than a banner plus daily hit statistics. -Ken List Administrator, 1967 Ford F100, 390FE V8 Our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com (subscribe/unsubscribe forms on the web site) fordtrucks fordtrucks80up (Email me if you're on the wrong list) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 19:43:39 -0700 From: Glen Sholley To: fordtrucks80up To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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