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fordtrucks80up-digest Digest Volume 97 : Issue 33

Today's Topics:

Synthetic Oil [Larry Smeins ]
re: antilock ["Ryan Penner" ]
A hair-rising problem [billinn ok.is (Timaritid Billinn) ]
Re: A hair-rising problem ["Glenwood Peagler"
Re: Fuel [gpierce web2000.net ]
Re: F350 shocks and tires ["DAVID MUMMERY"
strange noise [Mike_Barksdale acbs.com ]
Re: strange noise [Ken Payne ]
Re: A hair-rising problem [Don Grossman ]
'93 F-150 Brake problem [Jim Cannon ]
Hop-up ideas for '80 F-150 300 CID I [Jim Cannon ]
300 I-6 [Edward A Arkin
Re: Synthetic Oil [ir002129 mindspring.com (Dave Armbr]
Re: A hair-rising problem [CRock21 aol.com ]
Re: Subject: Re:86-- 6.9L Diesel, [Philippe Gravelle

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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 15:36:08 -0600
From: Larry Smeins
To: "'FordTrucks'"
Subject: Synthetic Oil
Message-Id:

Synthetic oils have been cussed and discussed to great extent on the
auto newsgroups and probably every place else where cars and trucks are
discussed on the net.

I have two cars, both Audis, that get Mobil 1. I started using it for
the extended change interval claimed for synthetics. I commute a long
way and got tired of crawling under the car to change the oil every
couple of weeks. The first Audi is a 4000S 4 cylinder with 260K on it.
Oil changes come at 12K miles. It started burning more oil than usual
at 240K, dropped from less than 1 quart in 12K to 1 quart in 2K. I
completely checked the engine and concluded it is valve guide seals.
But what the hey, I know lots of cars where 1 qt in 2K is considered
good. The other Audi is a 5000 CS turbo with 198K on it. It still goes
12K on less than a quart. Can I attribute this to Mobil 1? I don't
know but it doesn't appear to have caused any problems and I sure
haven't been religous about short term oil changes. I will continue
using Mobil 1 in my new cars and trucks. I don't use it in my
Powerstroke because I'd go broke putting 14 quarts of $4.00 oil in it
every change, Mobil 1 doesn't have diesel ratings, and Diesels tend to
contaminate oil more than gas and I wouldn't want to go with extended
changes.

Multi-grade oils do wear out, especially at high temp. Mobil 1 will
hold up at 600F where conventional oils start breaking down at 300F.
Conventional oils react with combustion products and produce acids that
will damage engine parts if change intervals are too extended.
Synthetics don't produce these acids. I use Mobil 1 in my boat engine
for this last reason since it sits alot without being run.

Mobil 1 and Amsoil may both be synthetics but they are based on
different synthetic oil derivatives. Can't say which is best but do
know Mobil spent a lot of time and money developing Mobil 1 in the late
60s. Knew a guy that was in the testing in Alaska. He said they used
Plymouths and the engines still had the cylinder hone marks visible at
the 40K tear down.

If you expect to change oil every 3K miles and you aren't racing I'd
recommend a good brand conventional oil. If you plan on extended change
intervals or will be working the engine exceptionally hard use Mobil 1.

Larry
If you don't care where you are, you ain't lost

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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 97 21:57:07 UT
From: "Ryan Penner"
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: re: antilock
Message-Id:

almost sounds as if the antilock brakings system is engaging. when you
describe a hard pounding as if someone was pumping the brakes, you are
describing how antilock brakes are supposed to feel--luckily i havent
engaged mine too much in the year and 8000 miles i have had them.

k



Well, on my F150 the Rear Antilock light is on, so I know that they do not
work. (Which can be veiwed as both good and bad) I see it as a okay thing.

On another note. I was just reading my CAR & Driver mag. and noticed that
Ch*vy is not making a Electric Truck. The description of the truck sounded
just like a standard S10, untill they said it was front wheel drive. Now from
What I know that is not a good thing in a truck, correct?

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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 06:58:59 GMT
From: billinn ok.is (Timaritid Billinn)
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: A hair-rising problem
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Vehicle: Ford Econoline Club Wagon 1995. 7.3 Diesel (Power
Stroke). 2WD, Automatic (E4OD).


This car has been driven 35.000 miles.

Problem: Engine refuses to start if turned off hot. After
cooling down for 3-4 hours it starts again. Engine runs ok,
has ample power, good response and milage is normal. If it was
not turned off it would probably run fine as long as there is
enough fuel in the tank.

History: Some days ago, after driving 25 miles, stopping and
turning the engine off for few minutes, it was mentioned that
restarting took longer than usual. Then after 20 miles trip
and a 2 hours stop the engine refused to start. Half hour
later it started. Since the engine starts normally in the
morning and restarts until it has fully warmed. After that it
will not start until after cooling for approx. 4 hours.

The dealer has a full computer setup for this engine. They can
not locate the problem. In the hands of th dealer people the
computer finds no faults and no fault codes seems to be
stored.

Electrical harnesses have been inspected. The preheating
system has been tested and inspected. Temp. sensor in air
cleaner has been tested. Engine oil and filter has been
renewed. Fuel filter has been renewed. But problem persists.



I really don't know whom to turn to with info on this problem
- I am trying to find out if somebody has experienced similar
problem with this type of diesel engine or trying to get in
contact with people knowing this particular engine. Any help,
lead or info would be appreciated.

Regards.
Leo M. Jonsson
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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 23:15:53 -0400
From: "Glenwood Peagler"
To:
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> From: Timaritid Billinn
> To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
> Subject: A hair-rising problem
> Date: Thursday, July 03, 1997 2:58 AM
>
> Vehicle: Ford Econoline Club Wagon 1995. 7.3 Diesel (Power
> Stroke). 2WD, Automatic (E4OD).
>
>
> This car has been driven 35.000 miles.
>
> Problem: Engine refuses to start if turned off hot. After
> cooling down for 3-4 hours it starts again. Engine runs ok,
> has ample power, good response and milage is normal. If it was
> not turned off it would probably run fine as long as there is
> enough fuel in the tank.
>
> History: Some days ago, after driving 25 miles, stopping and
> turning the engine off for few minutes, it was mentioned that
> restarting took longer than usual. Then after 20 miles trip
> and a 2 hours stop the engine refused to start. Half hour
> later it started. Since the engine starts normally in the
> morning and restarts until it has fully warmed. After that it
> will not start until after cooling for approx. 4 hours.
>
> The dealer has a full computer setup for this engine. They can
> not locate the problem. In the hands of th dealer people the
> computer finds no faults and no fault codes seems to be
> stored.
>
> Electrical harnesses have been inspected. The preheating
> system has been tested and inspected. Temp. sensor in air
> cleaner has been tested. Engine oil and filter has been
> renewed. Fuel filter has been renewed. But problem persists.
>
>
>
> I really don't know whom to turn to with info on this problem
> - I am trying to find out if somebody has experienced similar
> problem with this type of diesel engine or trying to get in
> contact with people knowing this particular engine. Any help,
> lead or info would be appreciated.
>
> Regards.
> Leo M. Jonsson
> _________________________________________________________________________
> Timaritid Billinn | e-mail: billinn ok.is
> Leo M Jonsson, Editor | http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ok.is/billinn
> Nesvegi 13 | TEL: (+354)421-6980
> IS - 233 Hafnir | (+354)854-3469
> Iceland | FAX: (+354)421-6981
>
>
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check the magnetic pick up in the distributor, I had the same problem on my
'80 f-150 and it drove me nuts untill I found it. When cool the pick-up
checked out fine, and sometimes checked ok when hot but would not fire the
trigger pulse to the ignition when hot.

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Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 20:13:55 -0400
From: gpierce web2000.net
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Fuel
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> Also, I read somwhere that the mpg is rated at 19 - highway. I getting more
> like 16 - highway. Does anybody else out there with a 300 I-6 get better
> mileage? My tires are properly inflated and I have a tonneau cover.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Scott Waligora
> saw404 aol.com
>

Well I see that not much has changed I've got a 1986 300 cid and it is
no better before or after the new engine....

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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 97 01:05:15 UT
From: "DAVID MUMMERY"
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: Re: F350 shocks and tires
Message-Id:

Todd, go with the rancho 9000's . They are worth the money! I have put them on
my F150 and F350. Get the remote control that goes in the cab. Also get the
dual one! As for tires I ended up replacing the rims and tires. I found that
it was too hard to try and find replacement tires that I liked and/or wanted.
Look at the Yokohoma Super Digger 5's. So far they have been awsom.
As for othem mods Rancho makes a replacement for the factory rear spring
shackels. They soften the ride but do not hamper the load carrying abilities.
I also have these on my F150, have not gotten around to the one ton.

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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 18:21:33 -0700
From: Mike_Barksdale acbs.com
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: strange noise
Message-ID:

I have a 90' F205 w/5.8L engine. I have noticed a strange noise coming
from somewhere forward of the driver seat. I think it is the engine
compartment but I'm not sure. It sounds kind of like a cross between
clicking sound and a chugging sound, but more like a click. I only here it
while driving and giving it gas(not at idle or while coasting). The sound
seems to be in synch with the rpm's, the higher the rpm's the faster the
clicking. I can really here it well up around 3000 rpms.

Does anyone have any ideas as to what is causing this?

Thanks,
Mike_barksdale acbs.com

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Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 21:34:10 -0400
From: Ken Payne
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: Re: strange noise
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At 06:21 PM 7/2/97 -0700, you wrote:
>
>
>I have a 90' F205 w/5.8L engine. I have noticed a strange noise coming
>from somewhere forward of the driver seat. I think it is the engine
>compartment but I'm not sure. It sounds kind of like a cross between
>clicking sound and a chugging sound, but more like a click. I only here it
>while driving and giving it gas(not at idle or while coasting). The sound
>seems to be in synch with the rpm's, the higher the rpm's the faster the
>clicking. I can really here it well up around 3000 rpms.
>
>Does anyone have any ideas as to what is causing this?
>
>Thanks,
>Mike_barksdale acbs.com
>

Is it better or worse as the engine warms up? Could be a bad lifter?
Or maybe your fuel injectors. Lift the hood and listen closely (3
foot piece of garden hose is perfect for this). Is it coming from
under one of the valve covers? Does it only come from one cylinder?
Does it come from the center of the engine (intake area)?

-Ken
1967 Ford F100, 390FE V8
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Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 18:29:08 +0000
From: Don Grossman
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: Re: A hair-rising problem
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Glenwood Peagler wrote:
>
>
> check the magnetic pick up in the distributor, I had the same problem on my
> '80 f-150 and it drove me nuts untill I found it. When cool the pick-up
> checked out fine, and sometimes checked ok when hot but would not fire the
> trigger pulse to the ignition when hot.


What did it cost you to put the Powerstroke in your F-150? :-)
--
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net

It's hard to do 90 on a speed limit budget.......


63 Ford F-250 4x4

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Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 21:35:31 -0500
From: Jim Cannon
To: "Johnson, Jim (James O)"
CC: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: '93 F-150 Brake problem
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Jim
Sounds like warped rotor(s). (Probably only one, but could be both.)

I put new rotors on my '80 F-150 last year and had the same problem. If
I did not know that the rotors weere new, I would have sworn they were
warped. Turns out they were.

I pulled them and had them both turned. One was quite warped. I learned
from talking to mechanics about it that this is pretty common. One guy
told me that he now routinely turns new disks right out of the box, just
to save him the time (equals money) of later pulling them, turning them
and putting them back on.

Hope this helps.
Jim Cannon
Houston, Texas

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Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 21:48:14 -0500
From: Jim Cannon
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: Hop-up ideas for '80 F-150 300 CID I-6?
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Hey, all!

I have the leaking exhaust manifold on my '80 F-150 with the 300 6 cyl.
I am thinking about taking this opportunity to "improve" it a bit.
("More power!", as Tim Allen says.)

I have seen a nice Offenhauser 4 bbl manifold for this engine in J.C.
Whitney for about $225. They also have 2-piece headers for $125. I was
thinking about putting them on as a set. I don't know what carb would
work well on the manifold. JCW lists a Holley #8007 390 CFM 4 bbl for
$350. ($350! jeez!). That brings me up to $700. I'd still have to add
some sort of muffler and pipes...

Before I'd pop for all that, I'd like to hear from someone who has done
it and liked it. How did it all work out?

Also, I'm interested in any other ideas anyone might have to give this
little engine a bit of a kick.

Thanks!
Jim Cannon
Houston, TX

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Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 19:48:36 -0700
From: Edward A Arkin
To: Ford trucks talk
Subject: 300 I-6
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i have a 85 f150 300 I-6, 2wd, 3.08 rear, w/10.50x31 tires
i get a constant 16-17 mpg with it
i do the normal round town, the flat freeway, and up a hill [ from 50 ft
to 2000 ft]
on a regular basis
EA, 85 F-150, 97 F-150
PS i go fishing w/ the same group of guys a lot
1 has 87 4x4 302, the other 84 4x2, 460 [f-250hd]
usually the 460 guy is in front
one time up a big hill he was waaaaay ahead of me
the 302 guy [towing an alum boat & w/a washer/drier in the back] was
right behind
they left me going up that hill
this year another guy f150 4x2 5.8 & i went him no boat
me w/ a boat
w/ the 97 [5.4] i went by him on a passing lane
dont get the wrong idea -- he knows my 300I-6
and how i was always last
and he wasn't racing or anything
but i must admit it was great
finally beating that hill
ea

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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 21:59:19 -0500
From: ir002129 mindspring.com (Dave Armbruster)
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil
Message-Id:
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I just recently switched over to Mobil One 5W-30 for my 97 Ranger. It made
a small difference in mpg and seems to build oil pressure and flow sooner
when starting it. Only thing I have heard, can't say for sure if it's true
or not, about synthetics is that you also don't to want to change to them
too soon on a new engine, it doesn't break in the rings just right.



>Date: Wed, 2 Jul 97 02:19:05 UT
>From: "DAVID MUMMERY"
>To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
>Subject: RE: Synthetic Oil
>Message-Id:
>
>I would not be so happy to jump into synthetics. If your engine has lots of
>miles on it. The synthetics might cause it to start leaking. If you do go with
>it and have no probs try and stick around the normal viscosity.
>
>----------
>From: Wayne A. Rugenstein
>Sent: Monday, June 30, 1997 9:32 PM
>To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
>Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil
>
>>I have a 92 Bronco with the 5.8L. I am looking at runing a synthetic
>>oil, does anyone have any suggestions on what brand to try? I have been
>>looking at Red Line 10W-30 and Amsoil 0W-30.
>>
>>Thanks
>
>I use Mobil 1 5w-30 in my '93 Ranger, and have been very pleased with. I
>change it and filter every 7500 miles.
>
>Roogie
>
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Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 00:16:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: CRock21 aol.com
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: Re: A hair-rising problem
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Try a higher quality fuel.

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Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 12:58:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: Philippe Gravelle
To: ford
Subject: Re: Subject: Re:86-- 6.9L Diesel,
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>
>
>---------- Forwarded message -----
>I would appreciate any help I can get. I'm having a problem with losing the
>prime on my diesel. Then I have to crank it forever to start it. The problem
>has been with the vehicle since it was new but recently it has gotten much
>worse. Also, I'm looking for a emmissions diagnosis manual. Does anyone know
>where I can get one? Are there any mail order houses that deal in partfor
>this truck?
>Any help would be appreciated.
>
>The Husker
>
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