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------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain fordtrucks80up-digest Digest Volume 97 : Issue 25 Today's Topics: F250 finally decided on [ROBERT.BUBALA Re: F350 questions ["chita" ] Re: turbo diesel cooling problems. ["J. Martin" Re: F250 finally decided on ["J. Martin" RE: Valve Cover GAskets ["DAVID MUMMERY" Re: F250 finally decided on [Ken Miller Re: turbo diesel cooling problems. [Ken Miller Re: F350 questions [Barbara Harris ] ADMIN: Security problems resolved [Ken Payne ] So, what *DO* we call you? [Bill Funk ] Re: fordtrucks80up-digest Digest V97 [Bill Funk ] Re: fordtrucks80up-digest Digest V97 ["Edward [Ed, Eddie] Anthony [Tony] F250/350 Powerstroke/Gas Rear End Pr [gizmow '96 Ranger "Check Engine" light [tgstoner RE: '96 Ranger "Check Engine" light [pharrell Re: '96 Ranger "Check Engine" light ["J. Martin" Re: Diamond Coat Restoration [Beecko Re: Ranger 15" Rims [Beecko Administrivia: ____________________________________________________________________ Message distributed via http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.lofcom.com/ For help send subject "HELP" to:fordtrucks80up-digest-request Comments and suggestions are welcome, use: kpayne ____________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 11:16:38 -0500 From: ROBERT.BUBALA To: "fordtrucks80up(a)lofcom.com" Subject: F250 finally decided on Message-Id: RR DONNELLEY & SONS COMPANY TO: OAS -00000001 *fordtrucks80up FROM: ROBERT.BUBALA DATE: 06/18/97 TIME: 11:30:09 SUBJECT: F250 finally decided on Hello Well last night after talking with the salesman, I have figured out that I am definitely going to order a F250HD 4x4 regular cab. Now, I just have 1 major choice left, and that is the diesel or 5.8L V8. I could have sworn that I was told by someone that Ford did not have any more 5.8L V8 engines left, but my salesman thinks that they still have some left. So, I understand what the pros are of having a diesel: better gas mileage, lower maintenance, and more torque. I really do not know what the cons are. The only 2 con sI can think of is having to find a diesel fuel pump and the extra cost of getting the engine, but there has to be some more out there. How about finding places that have qualified people who know how to work on diesels. I guess that since I will be towing the Jeep around 12 times a year (maybe a little more) I will not be doing a heavy amount of towing. I am possibly considering getting a slide in camper but that would not be until next year. Well Ford gurus, please offer your opinions to a confused individual. I would like to order the truck before the end of the month. Oh yeah, I forgot to ask my salesman, but does anyone know if the F250 HD XLT comes standard with a rear bumper? Also, in the option book, there is no listing for a trailer hitch, and I would think that the trailer package would come with it, but it does not. TIA Robert Bubala mailto:robert.bubala ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 13:08:53 -0700 From: "chita" To: Subject: Re: F350 questions Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- > From: DAVID MUMMERY > To: fordtrucks80up > Subject: RE: F350 questions > Date: Tuesday, June 17, 1997 5:14 PM > > Barbara to bad about the probs. So far you are the only one that has that kind > of prob. At least that I know of. I think the advice to check with local transmission shops and databases was very good. There have been a couple of mechanics going into newsgroups and bragging about how they made an extremely good living fixing that E4OD transmission. It could be that, like some other mechanical parts, this tranny has likes and dislikes with respect to terrain, use pattern, even assembly run. As for questioning driving habits, I'm sorry, but there are a bunch of folks around who think most of what people _normally_ do with trucks is abuse. Plus, please note they had a 1989 truck and didn't trash it. It's hard to believe they suddenly changed driving styles so drastically from one truck to the next. Not to mention that dealers and manufacturers of all brands are famous for refusing to stand behind their screwups. A person who has laid out $9k on repairs on a 1994 vehicle deserves support! And some applause for patience. I myself would have spent the last $8,000 on bail for driving the truck back through the dealer's front window... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 17:40:37 -0800 From: "J. Martin" To: fordtrucks80up Subject: Re: turbo diesel cooling problems. Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >ERK! And I already sent up my answer. No fair! Have I become tiresome on > this topic? I guess it has high valence with me, cuz the reason I got a > diesel was to go 400 - 500,000 miles and when I read those stories of > failures at 70,000, all my alarm bells went TILT! Tiresome?? Not a bit, chita! I was just directing the man to the right person...and you were IT! Funny how you just covered that topic....I didn't mean ONE bit of offense... NOW, to get back on topic...I spoke to my bud (mechanic) and he says that when he does rebuild these diesels, he does not overbore unless he HAS to, for the very same reason--he finds the pinholes in the casting. He told me (FWIW) that Ford bores the blocks themselves, and sprays (how??..i dint ask) on a nickle finish before final honing--thus eliminating the presence of pinholes. SO, he says that it usually isn't a problem...the pinholes, that is, with OEM equipment. BUT, it is a problem when they are rebuilt--he usually sleeves the cylinders. He had heard of the additive... For what its worth.. Josh --> '88 FDR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 17:46:19 -0800 From: "J. Martin" To: fordtrucks80up Subject: Re: F250 finally decided on Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >I just have 1 major choice left, and that is the diesel or 5.8L V8. I >could have sworn that I was told by someone that Ford did not have any >more 5.8L V8 engines left, but my salesman thinks that they still have >some left. Hhhhmm...i've heard the same thing, but from the Fordnatics list...i've heard that the tooling/assy line for the 351W (5.8L) has been disassembled or dispersed, but they are supposed to have quite a number of stock left...i'll bet you can find one still! Josh --> '88 FDR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 97 22:49:05 UT From: "DAVID MUMMERY" To: fordtrucks80up Subject: RE: Valve Cover GAskets Message-Id: Keith, Try Fel Pro's valve cover gaskets. Use the FelcoPreen. They are part rudder and a part of some thing else. I have had good luck with these. Also do not over tighten. ---------- From: Graphics & Research Fabrication Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 1997 10:28 AM To: fordtrucks80up Subject: Re: Valve Cover GAskets --- Begin Included Message --- > From: Keith Srb > Subject: Valve Cover Gaskets > > Has anybody got any tips they can share about replacing valve cover gaskets, > particularly, which material makes the best gaskets? I have to replace the > valve cover gaskets on my vehicles every fall. I am sure it has something to do > with the AZ Summers. > > Thanks ! ----------------------------- You might be tightening the bolts too tight. This can deform the valve cover and cause leaking problems. The best gaskets are the silicone type. They have a better fit, don't harden, and usually have built-in spacers at the boltholes that prevent overtightening. Just an idea, __ (/_) _ _ /_ /_ / _ _ _ _ /) /) / (_(__ (_ / (_ (_(_/ (_/ (_(/_(__(__ Patrick Harrell pharrell ____________________________________________________________________ Message distributed via http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.lofcom.com/ For help send subject "HELP" to:fordtrucks80up-request Comments and suggestions are welcome, use: kpayne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 19:21:46 From: Ken Miller To: fordtrucks80up Subject: Re: F250 finally decided on Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > SUBJECT: F250 finally decided on > So, I understand what the pros are of having a diesel: better gas > mileage, lower maintenance, and more torque. I really do not know > what the cons are. The only 2 con sI can think of is having to find a > diesel fuel pump and the extra cost of getting the engine, but there > has to be some more out there. How about finding places that have > qualified people who know how to work on diesels. Considering that I have only had to have my diesel worked on once in the last 12 years that I have owned it (86 F250 4x4), finding someone to work on it is not really a concern. Also, this new Powerstroke is going into a lot of mid sized trucks since it now has much improved power. So, you may not find a "car" mechanic who knows how (or has the equipment) to work on it. But if you look at some of the TRUCK shops they will be able to work on it. There are a few cons. One is the oil changes. At 14 quarts an oil change, that adds up in hurry. Especially if you take it somewhere to have them do it and pay their price for oil and filters. I buy the oil (Good Oil, don't skimp) and filters and either change it myself, or if I'm on the road, have one of these quick lube places do it for me. It costs me about $10 to $15 to have them do it, but it is still cheaper that way and I know that I getting good oil. Finding a diesel pump is not has hard as you think. When you drive a diesel, you start noticing fuel pumps in places that you didn't before. > Oh yeah, I forgot to ask my salesman, but does anyone know if the F250 > HD XLT comes standard with a rear bumper? Also, in the option book, > there is no listing for a trailer hitch, and I would think that the > trailer package would come with it, but it does not. You have a choice in bumpers, chrome, or gray. You might might want to either buy a tow hitch later, or get the cheap gray bumper and then get a nice chrome drop down bumber later. MK ****************************************************************** Ken Miller & Personal: KRMiller Kim Foss Work: KMiller2 650 Whitney Ranch #3213 W (707) 229-4709 H(702) 458-6529 Henderson, NV 89014 Fax (707) 474-4764 ****************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 19:47:33 From: Ken Miller To: fordtrucks80up Subject: Re: turbo diesel cooling problems. Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" A > ERK! And I already sent up my answer. No fair! Have I become tiresome on >this topic? I guess it has high valence with me, cuz the reason I got a >diesel was to go 400 - 500,000 miles and when I read those stories of >failures at 70,000, all my alarm bells went TILT! > Well, for my $0.02 worth, diesels are better, depending on the user and the use. I'm not saying you have to baby a diesel, but some precautions will make it last a lot longer. Such things as: Don't jump in it, start it, and take off. Let it idle for at least 30 seconds before you put a load on the engine (maybe a full minute if is cold, like below freezing). A lot of people put their vehicle into gear before the oil has throughly lubed eveything. With Turbos, be sure to let it cool before you shut it down. It only takes once or twice before you will sieze it. That is one reason I put a Pyrometer on mine. There is only about 1 in 50 times that I have to sit and let it cool for a minute or two, but it is always better to be safe that sorry. Use only oil that is rated for Diesels, and the proper weight. Some oils don't have the stuff to handle the sufler (what's left of it after the EPA has had their kicks) and other things in Diesel fuel. There is always the possiblity of getting bad fuel, but always make sure you are getting good (clean with no water) fuel. Water in diesel fuel damages a diesel injection system, as opposed to making a gas vehicle run bad. I have learned this one from experience (and a new injection pump). Well I will get off my soap box now. Good luck to all.. MK ****************************************************************** Ken Miller & Personal: KRMiller Kim Foss Work: KMiller2 650 Whitney Ranch #3213 W (707) 229-4709 H(702) 458-6529 Henderson, NV 89014 Fax (707) 474-4764 ****************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 23:00:10 -0400 From: Barbara Harris To: fordtrucks80up Subject: Re: F350 questions Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Great idea and I have thought about ducking down in the seat and let it go right thru the showroom. Don't think that I haven't thought about it because I have been very close. I probably would have done that 15 or 20 years ago but I have 2 kids that I have to show some restraint. Know the best thing about this situation is that our transmission cooler was removed by one of the 3 Ford dealers that did all the repairs while under warranty. I am sure this is going to come up when we take them to court. We have sent Ford certified letters with signature required and we have great documentation. I wish we could have known that this vehicle was going to be so bad and if we would have listened to certain people that told us to order 5 speed and stay away from the automatic with overdrive. thanks and I hope this gets resolved soon. At 01:08 PM 6/18/97 -0700, you wrote: > > >---------- >> From: DAVID MUMMERY >> To: fordtrucks80up >> Subject: RE: F350 questions >> Date: Tuesday, June 17, 1997 5:14 PM >> >> Barbara to bad about the probs. So far you are the only one that has that >kind >> of prob. At least that I know of. > > I think the advice to check with local transmission shops and databases >was very good. There have been a couple of mechanics going into newsgroups >and bragging about how they made an extremely good living fixing that E4OD >transmission. It could be that, like some other mechanical parts, this >tranny has likes and dislikes with respect to terrain, use pattern, even >assembly run. As for questioning driving habits, I'm sorry, but there are a >bunch of folks around who think most of what people _normally_ do with >trucks is abuse. Plus, please note they had a 1989 truck and didn't trash >it. It's hard to believe they suddenly changed driving styles so >drastically from one truck to the next. Not to mention that dealers and >manufacturers of all brands are famous for refusing to stand behind their >screwups. > > A person who has laid out $9k on repairs on a 1994 vehicle deserves >support! And some applause for patience. I myself would have spent the last >$8,000 on bail for driving the truck back through the dealer's front >window... > > > >____________________________________________________________________ >Message distributed via http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.lofcom.com/ >For help send subject "HELP" to:fordtrucks80up-request >Comments and suggestions are welcome, use: kpayne > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 23:21:30 -0400 From: Ken Payne To: fordtrucks80up Subject: ADMIN: Security problems resolved Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Turns out that a list member was posting them onto a private newsgroup of his own for ease of use and a configuration error was letting the newsfeed get out to the world. No one intentionally posted any list messages to the world. -Ken 1967 Ford F100, 390FE V8 List Maintainer, send comments or suggestions to: kpayne Visit our web site (subscribe/unsubscribe forms are there): http://www.ford-trucks.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 22:43:15 -0700 From: Bill Funk To: fordtrucks80up CC: DQEM46A Subject: So, what *DO* we call you? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 04:06:28, -0500 > From: DQEM46A > Subject: Re: New body style > > please stop calling me MRS Gretchen Miller Please But, that's what it says in the header?! -- Bill Funk President, ASCII User Group http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.starlink.com/~ascii ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 22:56:44 -0700 From: Bill Funk To: fordtrucks80up Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest Digest V97 #24 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > From: "matthew.r.merritt" > Subject: turbo diesel cooling problems. > > I was surfing the net the other day and ran across a home page for a person who > was having trouble with his ford diesel. Apparently, his diesel had developed > pinhole leaks in the block that allowed coolant to mix with the oil and seize > the engine. Two Questions: > > #1 Has anyone else had or heard of this happening? > > #2 Does anyone know the address of that web page? ( I didn't mark it and now I > can't find it again.) You betcha. This is a well-known characteristic of many diesel engines. What happens is this: small bubbles form on the coolant side of the cylinders. When the cylinders fire, there's a shock transferred to the coolant, and the bubbles implode; this implosion eats away at the metal inthe cylinders until the metal wears away, bit by bit. (I know this sounds implausable, but it's true!) The solution is a small amount of a special oil in the coolant; this lowers the surface tension of the coolant, and the bubbles don't form. Ask you dealer, he'll know about this, and recommend an oil for you. -- Bill Funk President, ASCII User Group http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.starlink.com/~ascii ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 00:36:48 -0700 From: "Edward [Ed, Eddie] Anthony [Tony] Arkin" To: Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest Digest V97 #24 Message-Id: i'm a new subscriber i have an 1997 f-150 xlt 2x2 X-cab SB, 5.4, auto, tow, limited slip in teal w/brn seats it's nice took it last week ona fishing trip 2 notheast calif -towed the boat GREAT and was super of course it's just like a car on the inside and the cleaning out it gets is different from my 1985 f-150 2x2, 300 -6, 4spd OD, plain vanilla LB- w/ vinal and rubber floor which i park ona curb and hose out to clean it-- by the way fishing was great tops was a 4 lb trout however the 85 has a clutch problem that after looking through the feb 2 may listings i didn't find the firewall began flexing where the rod operating the clutch slave cylinder goes through which causes the pedal to remain in the 'in' position [at the floor]-- i got a kit from ford that reinforces the firewall [ a bracket really] and it help a bit but the ^%^% clutch is beginning to upset me Sooooo has anyone run into this and havea fix for it??? i'd like to get this taken care of the one really different thing about the new f-150 - when one is behind the wheel- where's the front bumper -- with the sloping front end it's not the same as ona pre 97 truck that minor thing and my 3 other complaints being the 40 /60 front seat back not having more movement and two other things that really gets me-- the interior lighting which is a nice shade of blue through out the whole dash -- but on the doors [for the windows and locks] they are a pale yellow green -- as if they are an afterthought to a nice design-- lastly the cup holders on the dash are just that -- cup holders not for cans [of soda or whatever] are my gripes about the 97's the kinda things one doesn't notice at first well thats it for now C-YA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 10:26:07 +0000 From: gizmow To: fordtrucks80up Subject: F250/350 Powerstroke/Gas Rear End Prob. Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hey all you F250/350 owners, Are you getting the gas mileage you think you should?? My brother wasent... He bought a new 96 F250 crew cab short bed 2wd powerstroke 5 speed with a 3.55 gears last year. It wasent getting the mileage he thought it should (17-18 mpg). He also noticed that at 65 mph he was turning 2300 rpms. We checked the code in the door and it showed to be 3.55. Since we knew no one else with 3.55 to compair too he kind of dropped the subject. I just recived my 97 with the same setup. I noticed I was getting 20+ mpg right off the showroom floor. We went for a ride and also noticed at 65mph I was turning 1800 rpms. We knew something was up. We jacked his rear end up, marked the wheel and drive shaft, and turned it...Guess what.. It had a 4.10 in it. We took it back to the dealer and told them what we had done. The service manager crawled under the truck and checked the stamp on the axel. He crawled back out and said we made a mistake. It had to have a 3.55 because the axle had the correct code on it. He wasent going to change the axle. After a heated discussion I agreed that if he would mark the wheel and drive shaft and check the in front if us we would be satisfied. To end the story my brother got a new rear axle and the service guy got egg on his face. I know if his axle was mismarked the are bound to be others. I would like to here form any of you who had the same experience or think you may have the same problem. I would guess it could effect the trucks with gas motors as well??? Thanks Mike Gizmow ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 15:56:47 -0400 From: tgstoner To: fordtrucks80up Subject: '96 Ranger "Check Engine" light Message-ID: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I'm new to this listserver and hopeful that someone out there can help me with what should be a minor problem. I have a 1996 Ranger XLT Supercab with the 3.0 engine and a 5 speed. Driving home after a scheduled maintenance (oil change and chassis lube) visit to one of the local Ford dealers a week ago, I noticed that the "Check Engine" light was on. Under the hood, I found that what appears to be a vacuum line which was disconnected from the air intake ducting above the radiator. When I reconnected it, the little engine roughness which I though I had detected was gone, but the warning light still burns brightly whenever the engine is running. I've spoken with both a service advisor and the service manager at the dealership and they insist that I need to bring the truck back and leave it with them for at least two hours. They've both said that their intention is to read the error codes and make whatever repairs are necessary. The service advisor did hint however, that with a vacuum line disconnected it might be possible that the light would be switched on and held on by the on-board control systems until manually reset. Since this truck currenlty has only a little more than 18,000 miles on it, anything they would find should be covered under warranty. But based upon the possibility which the service advisor suggested, I don't believe that they're going to find anything other than a light which needs to be reset. Regardless, I don't want to waste the time on an unscheduled visit if that really isn't necessary. My question is this: Other than disconnecting the battery for a period long enough for the control system's memory to be erased, how can this be reset? If there is no other way, how long must the battery be disconnected to allow the system to "forget" about turning the light on? I asked the dealer's people about this, but they wouldn't tell me because "there probably is a real problem (unrelated to the loose line, of course) which needs to be fixed". I figure that if there really is another problem, the light will come right back on again after a few minute's of the engine running and of course I would then have no way to avoid the inconvenience of an unscheduled service, but I'd like to try a "reset" first. Thanks for any help you can provide. Tom Stoner Ann Arbor, MI tgstoner 1996 Ranger XLT SuperCab 1996 Taurus LX ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 97 16:32:57 EDT From: pharrell To: fordtrucks80up Subject: RE: '96 Ranger "Check Engine" light Message-Id: A lot of parts stores sell (for around $35) a computer codes "reader" that will read the Ford codes. You count the number of flashes and look up the codes in the book that comes with it. It simply plugs into the hook up that is usually on the firewall (instructions will show you). It does an engine off test and an engine running test (controlling throttle speeds while automatically checking cooling fan and systems, etc.). You might as well buy one. One hookup at a dealer (after warranty), will cost around $50.00. And this will give you some information later on that will give you some peace of mind even if you aren't going to do any repairs yourself. (an interesting sidenote: GM products don't require a code reader. There is a location on the fuse panel where you put a jumper wire and then count the flashes on a dash panel light.) For now, I wouldn't do anything (like clearing the light by disconnecting the battery) to jeopardize your warranty. Dealers like to use anything to keep from doing warranty work. All it's going to cost you right now is a little time. Better that than a bunch of money. Patrick Harrell pharrell ----------------------------------- Tom Stoner says: I've spoken with both a service advisor and the service manager at the dealership and they insist that I need to bring the truck back and leave it with them for at least two hours. They've both said that their intention is to read the error codes and make whatever repairs are necessary. The service advisor did hint however, that with a vacuum line disconnected it might be possible that the light would be switched on and held on by the on-board control systems until manually reset. Since this truck currenlty has only a little more than 18,000 miles on it, anything they would find should be covered under warranty. But based upon the possibility which the service advisor suggested, I don't believe that they're going to find anything other than a light which needs to be reset. Regardless, I don't want to waste the time on an unscheduled visit if that really isn't necessary. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 17:00:35 -0800 From: "J. Martin" To: fordtrucks80up Subject: Re: '96 Ranger "Check Engine" light Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Graphics & Research Fabrication wrote: > A lot of parts stores sell (for around $35) a computer codes "reader" > that will read the Ford codes. You count the number of flashes and look > up the codes in the book that comes with it. It simply plugs into the > hook up that is usually on the firewall (instructions will show you). > It does an engine off test and an engine running test (controlling > throttle speeds while automatically checking cooling fan and systems, > etc.). You might as well buy one. One hookup at a dealer (after > > warranty), will cost around $50.00. And this will give you some > information later on Hhhmm...In my trusty Summit catalog, they list a code reader-it plugs directly into (?) the harness, and lets you read your codes. I don't.... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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