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------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain fordtrucks80up-digest Digest Volume 97 : Issue 24 Today's Topics: Re: New body style [DQEM46A 1980 Bronco(302)RV camshaft [pharrell New Front Suspension [Pete Wilhite ] 82 F150 and 90 Ranger wheels [Rob Eberhart Re: 1980 Bronco(302)RV camshaft ["J. Martin" Re: F350 questions [Barbara Harris ] Re: New body style [skidoguy RE: F350 questions ["DAVID MUMMERY" RE: New body style ["DAVID MUMMERY" ADMIN: Security/copyright problems [Ken Payne ] Re: Valve Cover GAskets [Bill Funk ] Re: F350 questions [Lehmandp turbo diesel cooling problems. ["matthew.r.merritt" Re: turbo diesel cooling problems. ["J. Martin" Re: Valve Cover GAskets [pharrell Re: turbo diesel cooling problems. ["chita" ] Re: turbo diesel cooling problems. ["chita" ] Re: F350 questions [gizmow Administrivia: ____________________________________________________________________ Message distributed via http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.lofcom.com/ For help send subject "HELP" to:fordtrucks80up-digest-request Comments and suggestions are welcome, use: kpayne ____________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 04:06:28, -0500 From: DQEM46A To: fordtrucks80up Subject: Re: New body style Message-Id: please stop calling me MRS Gretchen Miller Please ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 97 10:51:25 EDT From: pharrell To: fordtrucks80up Subject: 1980 Bronco(302)RV camshaft Message-Id: Hope this gets out to the right place. I just subscribed and haven't gotten listserv instructions yet for this list. Anyway..I just rebuilt my 2 barrel 302 and put in an RV camshaft because my friends said it would give a heavy truck like my Bronco more low-end torque and midrange power (and better economy). After installing , I discovered that the cam had the firing order of a 351W. Economy is down from around 16mpg to 7mpg. Power at take-off is like your foot is partly on the brake, and the only way to get acceleration is to put the gas pedal to the floor (and even then it's not what it was pre-build). I've checked timing, etc. and the only thing I've discovered is that I don't have the amount of vacuum I feel like I should have at the ported vacuum hookup (for the vaccum advance) at the carb. The carb has a recent rebuild and wasn't a problem. Has anybody installed an RV or towing cam? All the cam replacements I've seen in the catalogs are direct replacements in the 302 or can be installed in the 351W by changing it's firing order to the 302. Nothing the other way around. I'm wondering if my problems are caused by changing the 302 firing order. Any help is appreciated! Patrick Harrell pharrell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 07:53:34 -0700 From: Pete Wilhite To: fordtrucks80up Subject: New Front Suspension Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Has anyone done any serious 4-wheelin' with the new FORDs yet? I'm curious about how the new front suspension hold up compared to the Twin Traction Beam. ******************** Pete Wilhite peterw Office: W170G (619) 651-0546 pager: (619) 636-8398 ******************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 10:45:24 -0500 From: Rob Eberhart To: fordtrucks80up Subject: 82 F150 and 90 Ranger wheels Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Glen, The F-150 has a 5x5.50 bolt circle from 1948-94 and the Ranger 4x4 has a 5x4.5, so no they will not fit. Try some aftermartket wheels like Cragar or Progressive in a 5x4.5 bolt circle and 15x6 or 15x7. Rob - Sales Manager Automotive Catalog > >Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 08:48:20 -0400 (EDT) >From: Glen Pace >To: fordtrucks80up >Subject: Ranger 15" Rims >Message-id: >Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII > >Do rims from a 1982 F-150 4x4 fit a 1990 ranger 4x4 with factory >15" wheels?? >Thanks in advance >Glen >Digest mode > >96 F-350 4x4 >77 F-250 4x4 > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 11:11:47 -0800 From: "J. Martin" To: fordtrucks80up Subject: Re: 1980 Bronco(302)RV camshaft Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Anyway..I just rebuilt my 2 barrel 302 and put in an RV camshaft because my > friends said it would give a heavy truck like my Bronco more low-end torque > and midrange power (and better economy). After installing , I discovered that > the cam had the firing order of a 351W. Economy is down from around 16mpg to > 7mpg. Power at take-off is like your foot is partly on the brake, and the > only way to get acceleration is to put the gas pedal to the floor (and even > then it's not what it was pre-build). I've checked timing, etc. and the only Hello, Patrick! Have you checked your compression in each cylinder? This can tell you alot about what you have/don't have. If you don't already have one, you can buy a compression gauge at most auto parts stores--the kind that screw into your spark plug hole. if you've rebuilt your motor, I would guess that you already have one. A common prob in a newly rebuilt engine is the valve lash settings-- are your valves seating properly? this could be the prob--there is no total sealing of the combustion chamber...Our E250 van has an RV/Tow cam, and it is _alot_ better than a stock grind--you can really feel the diff when we pull the horse trailer. I'd almost be willing to bet that your compression will be down when you check it...maybe it's just a simple valve-lash adj that's needed... I hope so, for your sake! ;-) That's about all this pea-brain can think of, at this moment... Let us know what happens! Josh --> '88 FDR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 12:47:25 -0400 From: Barbara Harris To: fordtrucks80up Subject: Re: F350 questions Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" If I had a choice today I think I would go with Dodge or Chevy. We purchased a 94 crewcab dually new and we have had 6 transmissions rebuilt, replaced and adjustd and it is sitting in our drive waiting to come up with enough money to rebuild it again because Ford has washed their hands of it. Before you purchase a Ford take a few minutes and call dealerships and transmission shops and ask if they have many of the automatics with overdrive{E4OD} type ford transmissions and just ask them point blank if they rebuild alot of them and if they are a BAD transmission. We had a 1989 F-350 crewcab dually with a 460 gas and the C-6 type transmission and we never were into motor or trans. Check dealers and service managers and ask them if you can see the technical service bulletins on the E4OD transmission and you will see how many updates and modifications they have made and they are still failing. If anyone else has had same experiences as we have contact me: DHawk21 spent $9,000.00 dollars on this 94 in repairs, rentals and tow bills since March of 94. "Have you driven a "LEMON" lately! We Have At 07:35 AM 6/16/97 -0500, you wrote: >RR DONNELLEY & SONS COMPANY > > TO: OAS -00000001 *fordtrucks80up > > FROM: ROBERT.BUBALA > > DATE: 06/16/97 > TIME: 07:42:05 > > SUBJECT: F350 questions > > > Hello > > I am currently in the search for a tow vehicle to tow my 82 Scrambler, > double axle trailer and gear. I was using a 95 cherokee and a tow > dolly all of the time, but I have had ebough. > > I have spotted a 97 F350 4x4 regular cab with automatic, 5.8, air, off > road and camper packages, manual hubs, and 4.10 gears. It was a > special order but the guy backed out at the last minute. I was > wondering how that truck would do in every day driving and when > towing. > > I have been reading a lot of threads on the diesels here, and I am now > curious. I live in a neighborhood where the your neighbor is right on > top of you. I know that my friend's Dodge turbo diesel is noisy, and > I was wondering how the Ford diesels are. I can see moving the truck > out of the way every morning at 4:45 am and waking up the whole > neighborhood. > > So here are my questions. I definitely want four wheel drive, but > should I be looking at that F350 seriously, or would I regret it > later? I also do not want a 460 due to every day gas mileage. I would > probably be towing about 12 times per year, and total trailer + Jeep = > 6500 pounds. I can have the dealer do a search and find a truck, but > should I go for the 351 F350, or should I have a search done and get > the diesel in F250 or F350 versions. > > Sorry for the length and amount of questions, but it is getting close > to a time where I need a tow vehicle ASAP, and I do not want to buy > something I am going to regret in 6 months. > > Thanks > > Robert Bubala > mailto:robert.bubala > Iron Horse 4x4s Inc (NW Indiana) Vice-President > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.off -road. com /~iron > > > p.s. If anyone out there is into off roading and has not been to > Silver Lake Michigan, GO! I was there this weekend, and I am going > back at least 3 more times this summer! > > > > >____________________________________________________________________ >Message distributed via http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.lofcom.com/ >For help send subject "HELP" to:fordtrucks80up-request >Comments and suggestions are welcome, use: kpayne > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 04:39:37 -0400 From: skidoguy To: fordtrucks80up Subject: Re: New body style Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think the 97 F150 Flareside is the best looking truck period. Well I guess it's tied with the 99 F350. They are both awesome looking trucks. I didn't really like the back of the regular F150 but it has grown on me. I also think the 2-tone paint makes them look alot better. Dale Grein 84 F150 4X4 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 97 00:14:05 UT From: "DAVID MUMMERY" To: fordtrucks80up Subject: RE: F350 questions Message-Id: Barbara to bad about the probs. So far you are the only one that has that kind of prob. At least that I know of. I have a 1996 F350 CrewCab 4x4 w/7.3L Powerstroke. This truck has over 50,000 thousand miles and not one prob. I also have a 1995 F150 4x4 w/5.8L this truck just turned 70,000 miles over the weekend. Both trucks have the same trans that you have. Not one prob. My trucks are use to plow snow,haul farm implementsand tractors,A boat, A jeep, And a mustang when I have time for it. There are only Three things that I can think of that could have happened #1 The trans was a lemmon, it happens thats why there is a lemmon law. Which saya that if your truck or car has the same probs. three times than the manufacture is to replace the truck! #2 The people fixing the trans could not fix a just screwed you. And #3 You might need to look at how you drive your truck. Do you make complete stops before going from forwards to reverse? And so on. If #3 is the answer than you were lucky that the dealer delt with you alt all. Besides People buy a dullie for the ability to pull things, and the chevy or gmc's have no more power than my 1995 F150 w/351! They are not comfortable to drive for a long period. They just can not be compared to the Ford. The Ford is in a higher class. And the new dodge. What a joke. DId you know that is the most traded in truck on the market. Go drive one and see for yourself. The ride sucks, unless you like jarring rides. The 4x4 trucks sit to high for safe towing of heavy loads. So seeing that you bought 1 dullie I am thinking that you tow heavy loads. Good Luck. Robert, with what you want to tow you could get away with a F250 Heavy Duty. If you are going to drive it a lot I would get the captains chairs and the 7.3L Diesel. THe chairs are so compfortabe on long or short drives. The diesel is the most powerfull engine in a pickup period! They also get better milage than the gas motors. If you like the older bodies you better hurry up. Ford is going to change the body in 1998 and call it the 1999 F350 or F250. I would recomend ordering one. 1) You get what you want! 2) It is cheeper. Most dealers will let them go for almost cost. GOOD LUCK ---------- From: Barbara Harris Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 1997 11:47 AM To: fordtrucks80up Subject: Re: F350 questions If I had a choice today I think I would go with Dodge or Chevy. We purchased a 94 crewcab dually new and we have had 6 transmissions rebuilt, replaced and adjustd and it is sitting in our drive waiting to come up with enough money to rebuild it again because Ford has washed their hands of it. Before you purchase a Ford take a few minutes and call dealerships and transmission shops and ask if they have many of the automatics with overdrive{E4OD} type ford transmissions and just ask them point blank if they rebuild alot of them and if they are a BAD transmission. We had a 1989 F-350 crewcab dually with a 460 gas and the C-6 type transmission and we never were into motor or trans. Check dealers and service managers and ask them if you can see the technical service bulletins on the E4OD transmission and you will see how many updates and modifications they have made and they are still failing. If anyone else has had same experiences as we have contact me: DHawk21 spent $9,000.00 dollars on this 94 in repairs, rentals and tow bills since March of 94. "Have you driven a "LEMON" lately! We Have At 07:35 AM 6/16/97 -0500, you wrote: >RR DONNELLEY & SONS COMPANY > > TO: OAS -00000001 *fordtrucks80up > > FROM: ROBERT.BUBALA > > DATE: 06/16/97 > TIME: 07:42:05 > > SUBJECT: F350 questions > > > Hello > > I am currently in the search for a tow vehicle to tow my 82 Scrambler, > double axle trailer and gear. I was using a 95 cherokee and a tow > dolly all of the time, but I have had ebough. > > I have spotted a 97 F350 4x4 regular cab with automatic, 5.8, air, off > road and camper packages, manual hubs, and 4.10 gears. It was a > special order but the guy backed out at the last minute. I was > wondering how that truck would do in every day driving and when > towing. > > I have been reading a lot of threads on the diesels here, and I am now > curious. I live in a neighborhood where the your neighbor is right on > top of you. I know that my friend's Dodge turbo diesel is noisy, and > I was wondering how the Ford diesels are. I can see moving the truck > out of the way every morning at 4:45 am and waking up the whole > neighborhood. > > So here are my questions. I definitely want four wheel drive, but > should I be looking at that F350 seriously, or would I regret it > later? I also do not want a 460 due to every day gas mileage. I would > probably be towing about 12 times per year, and total trailer + Jeep = > 6500 pounds. I can have the dealer do a search and find a truck, but > should I go for the 351 F350, or should I have a search done and get > the diesel in F250 or F350 versions. > > Sorry for the length and amount of questions, but it is getting close > to a time where I need a tow vehicle ASAP, and I do not want to buy > something I am going to regret in 6 months. > > Thanks > > Robert Bubala > mailto:robert.bubala > Iron Horse 4x4s Inc (NW Indiana) Vice-President > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.off -road. com /~iron > > > p.s. If anyone out there is into off roading and has not been to > Silver Lake Michigan, GO! I was there this weekend, and I am going > back at least 3 more times this summer! > > > > >____________________________________________________________________ >Message distributed via http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.lofcom.com/ >For help send subject "HELP" to:fordtrucks80up-request >Comments and suggestions are welcome, use: kpayne > > ____________________________________________________________________ Message distributed via http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.lofcom.com/ For help send subject "HELP" to:fordtrucks80up-request Comments and suggestions are welcome, use: kpayne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 97 00:20:41 UT From: "DAVID MUMMERY" To: fordtrucks80up Subject: RE: New body style Message-Id: Hey Gretchen, Wait till you se the new 1999 F350 and the 1999 heavy duty F250. They will be close to the F150 but not a spitin look alike. They are neat looken to me. ---------- From: MRS GRETCHEN MILLER Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 1997 12:11 AM To: fordtrucks80up Subject: Re: New body style Well at first I thought they were ugly but after a while they grew on me and now I think I want one. I think they look better if they are two tone to break up the body alittle so they don't look so fat is the right word I think. At least with a truck you can tell what it is from a distance with all these new cars they all look the same and you don't know what they are until your on top of them, you think they could get a little more creative. Gretchen Miller F150 4x4 ____________________________________________________________________ Message distributed via http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.lofcom.com/ For help send subject "HELP" to:fordtrucks80up-request Comments and suggestions are welcome, use: kpayne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 20:58:42 -0400 From: Ken Payne To: fordtrucks80up Subject: ADMIN: Security/copyright problems Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I just fetched new newsgroups on the Usenet and there's a group called retix.mail.fordtrucks that had all the postings from the 1980 and later mailing list on it. Apparently someone at dee.retix subscribed to the list and redirected the postings to the the newsgroup. All the postings are there. This is in direct violation of our charter which states that copyrights belong to the members who post and messages may not get reposted in a public forum without the member's permission. I've taken the offender off the subscriber list plus I'm sending a complaint. Measures are going to get taken to make sure these bozos don't do it again. This has been going on since the 7th of this month, possibly longer. Their address is mailgate telling them how you feel about this. -Ken 1967 Ford F100, 390FE V8 List Maintainer, send comments or suggestions to: kpayne Visit our web site (subscribe/unsubscribe forms are there): http://www.ford-trucks.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 20:15:05 -0700 From: Bill Funk To: fordtrucks80up Subject: Re: Valve Cover GAskets Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > From: Keith Srb > Subject: Valve Cover Gaskets > > Has anybody got any tips they can share about replacing valve cover gaskets, > particularly, which material makes the best gaskets? I have to replace the > valve cover gaskets on my vehicles every fall. I am sure it has something to do > with the AZ Summers. > > Thanks ! We have a '91 F-250/460 and a '92 Explorer Sport. The valve cover gaskets were just replaced on the Explorer in conjunction with an intake manifold gasket replacement. First time. The F-250's not leaking any oil at all. We live in Phoenix. I don't think the heat's the problem. I don't know any others who are having a heat-related problem in this area, either. -- Bill Funk President, ASCII User Group http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.starlink.com/~ascii ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 08:58:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Lehmandp To: fordtrucks80up Subject: Re: F350 questions Message-ID: Robert Bubala, in a message dated 97-06-16 08:54:24 EDT, you write: now curious. I live in a neighborhood where the your neighbor is right on top of you. I know that my friend's Dodge turbo diesel is noisy, and I was wondering how the Ford diesels are. I can see moving the truck out of the way every morning at 4:45 am and waking up the whole neighborhood. >> An opinion: I live in a "tight" neighborhood and have neighbor with the big Ford diesel. It's a nice truck, and I think he drives it because "it's cool" (never see him towing or hauling). But not too cool when everybody's sleeping. Very annoying if not necessary to have the loud engine. - David Lehman, F150 5.0L ------------------------------ Date: 18 Jun 97 9:23:10 From: "matthew.r.merritt" To: fordtrucks80up Subject: turbo diesel cooling problems. Message-Id: Content-Type: Text/Plain I was surfing the net the other day and ran across a home page for a person who was having trouble with his ford diesel. Apparently, his diesel had developed pinhole leaks in the block that allowed coolant to mix with the oil and seize the engine. Two Questions: #1 Has anyone else had or heard of this happening? #2 Does anyone know the address of that web page? ( I didn't mark it and now I can't find it again.) Thank you in advance. Matt Merritt (take delivery of 1997 F350 4X4 turbo diesel in July) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 10:12:58 -0800 From: "J. Martin" To: fordtrucks80up Subject: Re: turbo diesel cooling problems. Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit matthew.r.merritt wrote: > > I was surfing the net the other day and ran across a home page for a person who > was having trouble with his ford diesel. Apparently, his diesel had developed > pinhole leaks in the block that allowed coolant to mix with the oil and seize > the engine. Two Questions: > > #1 Has anyone else had or heard of this happening? HA! you have come to the right place...but not the right person... HOOK him up, CHITA! ;-) Chita will tell ya...chita knows...chita knows diesels...haha! Later, Josh --> '88 92 octane-powered FDR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 97 11:28:21 EDT From: pharrell To: fordtrucks80up Subject: Re: Valve Cover GAskets Message-Id: --- Begin Included Message --- > From: Keith Srb > Subject: Valve Cover Gaskets > > Has anybody got any tips they can share about replacing valve cover gaskets, > particularly, which material makes the best gaskets? I have to replace the > valve cover gaskets on my vehicles every fall. I am sure it has something to do > with the AZ Summers. > > Thanks ! ----------------------------- You might be tightening the bolts too tight. This can deform the valve cover and cause leaking problems. The best gaskets are the silicone type. They have a better fit, don't harden, and usually have built-in spacers at the boltholes that prevent overtightening. Just an idea, __ (/_) _ _ /_ /_ / _ _ _ _ /) /) / (_(__ (_ / (_ (_(_/ (_/ (_(/_(__(__ Patrick Harrell pharrell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 08:34:21 -0700 From: "chita" To: Subject: Re: turbo diesel cooling problems. Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- > From: matthew.r.merritt > I was surfing the net the other day and ran across a home page for a person who > was having trouble with his ford diesel. Apparently, his diesel had developed > pinhole leaks in the block that allowed coolant to mix with the oil and seize > the engine. One page you might want to look at: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.interstat.net/ford/ This is a big problem, which typically waits until well past the warranty to show itself. The cure is quite expensive, involving tearing down the engine and sleeving the affected cylinders or buying a new block or a new engine! The complaints often show up as bearing failures/spinning. Prevention (as usual) is far cheaper: pour in the appropriate amount of coolant additive containing CDA4, a Fleetguard compound. Fleetguard makes the Ford branded coolant additive, but the ingredient is available in many other brands. Advice: do NOT rely on your Ford dealer to do this when they change coolant for you, even though there's a service bulletin on it. Insist, check up and follow up. You're risking an engine rebuild otherwise. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 08:39:14 -0700 From: "chita" To: Subject: Re: turbo diesel cooling problems. Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- > From: J. Martin > > HA! you have come to the right place...but not the right person... > HOOK him up, CHITA! ;-) > > Chita will tell ya...chita knows...chita knows diesels...haha! ERK! And I already sent up my answer. No fair! Have I become tiresome on this topic? I guess it has high valence with me, cuz the reason I got a diesel was to go 400 - 500,000 miles and when I read those stories of failures at 70,000, all my alarm bells went TILT! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 10:38:20 +0000 From: gizmow To: fordtrucks80up Subject: Re: F350 questions Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I too live in a "tight" neighborhood. I drive a F250 c/c powerstroke diesel as your neighbor does, and like him I dont haul or pull anything... I have this truck for a good reason.... 6 passenger seating, 20+ mpg, 1.06 per gallon diesel and a motor that you can put 250,000 + miles on. So he may be more frugle than cool? As for the noise.....When I pull into my neighborhood, I drop my truck to a idle, go to 2nd gear (5 speed) and ease on home. I do this too for a couple of reasons. 1.Watch for kids playing in the street 2. Not to disrupt the community. and 3. Give my turbo time cool down after running down the highway. I can assure you my truck makes far less noies than the school bus that comes by twice a day. Lets here from the rest of you "Cool" Powerstroke drivers? What do you think??? Mike .... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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