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fordtrucks80up-digest Wednesday, March 4 1998 Volume 02 : Number 084



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In this issue:

update on carb icing and hose connection question [Mike Johnson
1999 SD Lariat LE package ["Union Auto" ]
Re: Venting at Ford [ACMERCG ]
Re: Venting at Ford [ACMERCG ]
Re: F150 electrical [Bill Funk ]
Bellhousing and Flywheel for 429 ["Tom Oxner" ]
fordtrucks80up-digest V2 #83 [Andrew T Vincitore
Re: Bellhousing and Flywheel for 429 [bgap RAPIDNET.COM]
RE: ADMIN: Please read, very important ["Rio, Tony" ]
Re: How to smooth out the 5.0 302 V8? [FSTFORDS ]
STOP SLAMMING THE E4OD! [FSTFORDS ]
Re: FINDING AN E4OD [Bultwister ]
RE: STOP SLAMMING THE E4OD! ["Rio, Tony" ]
Re: Bellhousing and Flywheel for 429 ["Tom Oxner" ]
RE: ADMIN: Please read, very important ["Chapman, David P"
ADMIN: Decision on advertising on the lists [Ken Payne
RE: eec-iv chips ["Stephen M. Brown" ]
Re: ADMIN: Decision on advertising on the lists ["Ryan Penner"
Jacobs update 2 and other thinking, ["Bridgtap" ]
Re: STOP SLAMMING THE E4OD! [JSCF250 ]
Re: STOP SLAMMING THE E4OD! ["Fast Ford" ]
Re: STOP SLAMMING THE E4OD! [JSCF250 ]
ADMIN: Opinions/feedback on web site [Ken Payne ]
Re: STOP SLAMMING THE E4OD! [FSTFORDS ]
Re: Bellhousing and Flywheel for 429 [bgap RAPIDNET.COM]

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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 08:32:43 -0500
From: Mike Johnson
Subject: update on carb icing and hose connection question

I went to the junk yard and picked up an air cleaner housing from
a mid eighties style ford ltd. the hole was 1/2" to large for my carb
but I took it to a sheet metal place and they tapered the hole down
to the correct size.
I called Headman Headers and asked them about the problem,
and found out they make heat stove kits for there headers.
They are universal and will fit all there headers.
Ordered one and will be here tomorrow.
Here are the part numbers for the kits if anyone else out there
might need it. they cost $27 thru Summit.
24510 for a 1 1/2" pipe size
24511 for a 1 3/4" pipe size
24512 for a 2" pipe size

Now does anyone know where all the vacuum hoses on the air
cleaner are suppose to hook up to?

Thanks for the help,
Mike
mikej granger-co.com

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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 08:07:48 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: 1999 SD Lariat LE package

I was pricing out new trucks on the pricing computer yesterday. When I put
in a Crew Cab Lariat Shortbox Dually I got some interesting results.
1. SWB Dually on hold until 8/4/98
2. SWB Dually available only in white without Lariat LE pkg..

OK I have never heard of a Lariat LE pkg., in all the ordering guides I have
there is no mention of this package. I added it to the order and it erased
all the pricing so I have no idea what it costs but I did see on the print
out the follow options (other than the standard Lariat options) 19.5
polished aluminum wheels, quad captains chairs with center consoles, 19.5
inch tires, and Lighted running boards. This is all I know about this
package but I thought people might find it interesting.

Also for people buying 1997 F-series HD trucks there is a 1750 rebate,
however, I would look at the Value of a 1993 Dodge Vs 1994 Dodge to see what
a "old body style" will to in resale Vs a "new body style" and that is for
one year instead of two so make sure you get a good price accordingly.

I am going to the Ride and Drive today so I let you know if there is
anything interesting there.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc
unionaut adiis.net
Union, IA 50258

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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 09:11:01 EST
From: ACMERCG
Subject: Re: Venting at Ford

In a message dated 98-03-03 16:21:10 EST, you write:


sitting in my garage, unused. You can have it for free if you come and
pick it up. I live in San Jose, CA.

Quit your griping - at least you have a girlfriend! :)

Joe >>
Thanks Joe, but I'm in New Jersey and the new tank should be in today. I was
going to buy a junkyard tank but I figured that I would just end up with the
same problem that I have now.
Thanks again,
Joe
acmercg aol.com
p.s. How many Joes are there on this list??

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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 09:15:42 EST
From: ACMERCG
Subject: Re: Venting at Ford

In a message dated 98-03-03 16:09:50 EST, you write:


duty thermostat, new radiator,distributor shaft sator, new cap, rotor, plugs,
wires, fuel & air filters, oil pan gasket, valve cover gaskets, & overhead
gasket, air by-pass valves, exhaust system, map sensor, 02 sensor, intake
manifold gaskets,
new coil, 4 shocks, tad solenoid, tab solenoid, and a few others that i cant
think of right now, >>
You are a better man than me... I would have thrown the towel in. Like I said
this is really the first Ford product I have owned and I guess I am used (or
spoiled) by the rival brand from which I have owned 6 vehicles, and had no
problems with any of them. Of those 6 vehicles, an 84 was the newest, a far
cry from my 92 Ford......

Joe D.
acmercg aol.com

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Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 08:16:12 -0700
From: Bill Funk
Subject: Re: F150 electrical

> From: mbolam techline.com
> Subject: F150 electrical
>
> I have a 95 F150 in which the courtesy/dome/cargo lamps remain on. I
> have
> removed the fuse (#8) to shut the lamps off but.... without the fuse I
>
> have no speedo, cruise, keyless remote and the above lamps. Ford asked
> me
> if I had the dimmer switch off and the doors were completly closed.
> Yes
> to both. Anyone have any ideas?
>
> ------------------------------

I think the only way you can fix this is to actually get into the
wiring.
If the light switch dimmer switch (not the headlight nigh-beam switch)
is actually off, then it's obvious that that particular circuit is
getting current somewhere.
Here's what I'd do; first, on the back of the headlight switch (you'll
have to get to the point where you can access the wires), check to make
sure the wire that feeds these lights is actually connected properly.
Then, remove the wire; if the lights go out, the switch is probably
defective. If not, you've got a short somewhere, which is keeping
current going to the wire. Finding that short can be very
time-consuming, and difficult. In that case, maybe the best choice would
be to by-pass the short with a new wire from the switch to wherever in
that light circuit you can get to, cutting the wire on the far side of
the short, and jumping in the new wire from the switch.
Personally, I'd bet it's the switch gone bad. If this were *my* truck,
I'd certainly hope so!
Good luck!
Bill

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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 09:54:41 CST6CDT
From: "Tom Oxner"
Subject: Bellhousing and Flywheel for 429

I have an 82 Ford F-150 with a 302 V8 and 4 speed overdrive manual
transmission. The PO installed a 3.50 rear axle. I need more power
for towing so I have found a 429 engine. I need a bellhousing and
flywheel for a 429-460 engine. I assume that these are a little rare
since most of these big engines came auto transmissions. Does anyone
have one they would like to sell for a reasonable price? Thanks.
Tom Oxner

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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 12:10:32 -0500
From: Andrew T Vincitore
Subject: fordtrucks80up-digest V2 #83

Message text written by INTERNET:fordtrucks80up ListService.net
>
From: Andrew
Subject: [none]

>I've seen some posts here in the last week about limited slip
differentials,
>and I have no idea what that is. I know the guy that works on my truck
>was saying the stock differentials on the 4.0L are not quite what they
>should be, and that with the miles on my car, there's a bit of slop
>in the drive train / differential linkage.
>Would there be an advantage to get a limited slip differential? And
>what would something like that run?
>And lastly, what are the pros / cons of regular vs. synthetic oil
>blends (besides cost)...

Hi
Have 3/4 of a million miles under my belt in New England weather =
of
all kinds, and have long wanted to install a limited slip in several of t=
he
vehicles driven. Have driven only a few vehicles with it and found if you=

keep your right foot under control you benefit noticeably from
limited-slip.
I believe that in four of the 6 times I had to have help getting un-stuck=
,
limited-slip in my 4x4 would have prevented my getting in to deep in the
first place. Be aware it requires a bit of additional care and maintenanc=
e
to work properly over the years. (Changing the differential oil and
possible adjustments as recommended).

If you need to fix the differential anyway, go fot the limited-slip. The
job can be expensive and takes knowledgeable people. Look into a HD Aubur=
n
Gear unit. I have 170.000 on my Ranger and am considering doing the same
thing. Am in the midde of a rebuild(Paint mechanical, interior),I intend =
to
run it another 200k.

Think it,s a bit late for expensive synthectics in your motor oil, try on=
e
of those one time "slick" "dura" or "tuff" additives.

Andrew

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Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 10:11:33 -0600
From: bgap RAPIDNET.COM
Subject: Re: Bellhousing and Flywheel for 429

Tom Oxner wrote:
>
> I have an 82 Ford F-150 with a 302 V8 and 4 speed overdrive manual
> transmission. The PO installed a 3.50 rear axle. I need more power
> for towing so I have found a 429 engine. I need a bellhousing and
> flywheel for a 429-460 engine. I assume that these are a little rare
> since most of these big engines came auto transmissions. Does anyone
> have one they would like to sell for a reasonable price? Thanks.
> Tom Oxner

Go to Napa for the flywheel, to avoid getting a warped one or have the
one you get turned. The bellhousing is more common, I think that the
351 M has the same one (comments from anybody else?). Let me know how
it goes, I am doing something similar!

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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 11:53:16 -0600
From: "Rio, Tony"
Subject: RE: ADMIN: Please read, very important

Hey Ken...

If I'm correct, this would be paid advertising, right? If the cost of
running the list and website is coming out of you pocket right now, I
say I can put up with an ad here or there to help you re-coup some of
the monthly costs.

Tony Rio
Allstate Enterprise Help Center
PRC Analyst \ Integration Owner
Trio1 Allstate.com
(W) 847.402.9386


> -----Original Message-----
> From:fordtrucks80up ListService.net
> [SMTP:fordtrucks80up ListService.net]
> Sent:Tuesday, March 03, 1998 10:30 PM
> To:fordtrucks80up ListService.net; bgap RAPIDNET.COM
> Subject:Re: ADMIN: Please read, very important
>
> Ken Payne wrote:
> >
> > I'm posting this email to ask for opinions on an issue. I will
> > respect the opinions of the list members regarding this matter,
> > just like I have with all other past votes. Your opinion, for
> > or against this issue will not hurt my feelings.
> >
> > Anyways... the issue:
> >
> > Last week, a vendor approached me (via email) and asked about
> > advertising in the digest version of the lists.
> NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
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> THANK YOU.
>
> Tony.
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> ----------------+
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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:18:57 EST
From: FSTFORDS
Subject: Re: How to smooth out the 5.0 302 V8?

GO GET AN EXPEDITION THEN...

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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:27:41 EST
From: FSTFORDS
Subject: STOP SLAMMING THE E4OD!

YOUR ALL FULL OF IT ...e4od's are bullet proof
93' bronco 4x4 w/351
i tow a 6000 pound car trailer over the mountains every two weeks.
and... my bronco runs a quick 14.9sec quarter at 93mph....

along with a lot of close friends i have if... you don't care of your car it
will fall apart.
two of my friends own lightnings and we have all used the trans kit by trans-
go.
it reduces the heat build-up by almost half...and we change fluid every 15k.

how many bad stories vs. how many built.
do the math.
the original AOD WAS A JUNK BOX.

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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:32:42 EST
From: Bultwister
Subject: Re: FINDING AN E4OD

where can i find an E4OD to replace my C6 in an 86' F250 6.9L

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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:33:47 -0600
From: "Rio, Tony"
Subject: RE: STOP SLAMMING THE E4OD!

Have a tendency to agree.... I have never had a problem with mine....

Tony Rio
Allstate Enterprise Help Center
PRC Analyst \ Integration Owner
Trio1 Allstate.com
(W) 847.402.9386


> -----Original Message-----
> From:FSTFORDS [SMTP:fordtrucks80up ListService.net]
> Sent:Wednesday, March 04, 1998 1:27 PM
> To:FSTFORDS aol.com; fordtrucks80up ListService.net
> Subject:STOP SLAMMING THE E4OD!
>
> YOUR ALL FULL OF IT ...e4od's are bullet proof
> 93' bronco 4x4 w/351
> i tow a 6000 pound car trailer over the mountains every two weeks.
> and... my bronco runs a quick 14.9sec quarter at 93mph....
>
> along with a lot of close friends i have if... you don't care of your
> car it
> will fall apart.
> two of my friends own lightnings and we have all used the trans kit by
> trans-
> go.
> it reduces the heat build-up by almost half...and we change fluid
> every 15k.
>
> how many bad stories vs. how many built.
> do the math.
> the original AOD WAS A JUNK BOX.
> +--------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1980 - 1996
> ----------------+
> | Send posts to fordtrucks80up listservice.net,
> |
> | List removal instructions on the website.
> |
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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:04:24 CST6CDT
From: "Tom Oxner"
Subject: Re: Bellhousing and Flywheel for 429

> From: bgap rapidnet.com
> Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 10:11:33 -0600
> Organization: Pursuant to US Code Title 47, Ch.5, Sub-ch.II, Sect.227(a)(2)(B), a
> To: fordtrucks80up ListService.net
> Subject: Re: Bellhousing and Flywheel for 429
> Reply-to: fordtrucks80up ListService.net

> Tom Oxner wrote:
> >
> > I have an 82 Ford F-150 with a 302 V8 and 4 speed overdrive manual
> > transmission. The PO installed a 3.50 rear axle. I need more power
> > for towing so I have found a 429 engine. I need a bellhousing and
> > flywheel for a 429-460 engine. I assume that these are a little rare
> > since most of these big engines came auto transmissions. Does anyone
> > have one they would like to sell for a reasonable price? Thanks.
> > Tom Oxner
>
> Go to Napa for the flywheel, to avoid getting a warped one or have the
> one you get turned. The bellhousing is more common, I think that the
> 351 M has the same one (comments from anybody else?). Let me know how
> it goes, I am doing something similar!

Yes, the 351M and the 400 have the same bellhousing. I have not had
any luck locally finding a wrecked truck with a 351M or 400 and a
manual transmission. I still have to find the brackets for the power
steering pump and the A/C compressor. I think that these will be easy
to find as car and truck should be the same. I will let you know how
it goes. It will be a while as things are a little busy at work right
now.
Tom

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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 15:20:09 -0500
From: "Chapman, David P"
Subject: RE: ADMIN: Please read, very important

Ken - I too think that some advertising would be fine and should help
cover your costs. And who knows, we might find something none of us
knew about.

Dave C.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:Rio, Tony [SMTP:TRIO1 Allstate.COM]
> Sent:Wednesday, March 04, 1998 12:53 PM
> To:'fordtrucks80up ListService.net'
> Subject:RE: ADMIN: Please read, very important
>
> Hey Ken...
>
> If I'm correct, this would be paid advertising, right? If the cost of
> running the list and website is coming out of you pocket right now, I
> say I can put up with an ad here or there to help you re-coup some of
> the monthly costs.
>
> Tony Rio
> Allstate Enterprise Help Center
> PRC Analyst \ Integration Owner
> Trio1 Allstate.com
> (W) 847.402.9386
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:fordtrucks80up ListService.net
> > [SMTP:fordtrucks80up ListService.net]
> > Sent:Tuesday, March 03, 1998 10:30 PM
> > To:fordtrucks80up ListService.net; bgap RAPIDNET.COM
> > Subject:Re: ADMIN: Please read, very important
> >
> > Ken Payne wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm posting this email to ask for opinions on an issue. I will
> > > respect the opinions of the list members regarding this matter,
> > > just like I have with all other past votes. Your opinion, for
> > > or against this issue will not hurt my feelings.
> > >
> > > Anyways... the issue:
> > >
> > > Last week, a vendor approached me (via email) and asked about
> > > advertising in the digest version of the lists.
> > NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
> > NO
> > NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
> > NO
> > NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
> > NO
> > NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
> > NO
> > NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
> > NO
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> > NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
> > NO
> > NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
> > NO
> > THANK YOU.
> >
> > Tony.
> > +--------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1980 - 1996
> > ----------------+
> > | Send posts to fordtrucks80up listservice.net,
> > |
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Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 17:51:03 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: Decision on advertising on the lists

I'd like to thank everyone for all the responses I've received
so far. I plan on putting them together into one text file,
posting them to the web and emailing the URL to the lists
this evening. The number of responses has been high and I don't
want to flood the lists with them. Everyone deserves to know the
opinions expressed so they will be on a web page (which won't
have any external links so your comments are kept private).

Although so far there hasn't been a landslide in either direction,
some very compelling reasons for not advertising have been brought
to my attention.

1. Where do I draw the line? If we open the door to this, what's
to stop me from putting an ad on the bottom of **each** post?
2. Doesn't this go against the charter? If we modify the charter
or ignore this portion of it doesn't it invalid the entire
reason for having one?
3. What happens if a user has problems with the advertiser? Can
he openly complain about it without fear of getting on my
"hit list?"
4. What happens if an advertiser has a problem with a user? Right
now, the advertisers know that web advertising is completely
unrelated to the lists.
5. Mailing lists have, for the most part, been the oasis free
from advertising on the Internet.
6 Can I remain unbiased? I would like to think so but I'm only human.

Since reading many opinions, especially those from long time members,
I would have a very difficult time looking members in the eye (virtually
and at the Pigeon Forge show) who have donated money to keep the lists
going. One person even sent $100 this past summer after we got our
(expensive) domain name.

I normally put things like this to a vote, but in this case I won't.
The principle of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" seems to apply.
The lists work, they work well and they certainly aren't broken.
I think that once you read the opinions you'll agree.

Ken Payne
Admin

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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 17:50:24 -0600
From: "Stephen M. Brown"
Subject: RE: eec-iv chips

Maybe, but they all require 93 Octane fuel. Go for a Hypertech or
Superchips chip. They use the EEC-IV test port to override the internal
memory. "in-line" chips only fool the computer temporarily until the EEC-IV
learns its way around them.

Every person I have ever corresponded with about their use of a chip (no
matter what the type), felt ripped off after they put a chip in.

steve
95 XLT Bronco
351 (K&N, Kenne Bell, JBA, Borla)


>From: "bradley teich"
>Subject: eec-iv chips
>is there a manufacturer that makes a 'drop in' chip for improving
>the performance of my 94 bronco's 351? also, would a performance exhaust
>system affect that addition?
>

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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 17:28:02 -0700
From: "Ryan Penner"
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Decision on advertising on the lists

- -----Original Message-----
From: Ken Payne
To: fordtrucks ListService.net ;
fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net ;
fordtrucks80up ListService.net ;
fordtrucks97up ListService.net ;
fordtrucks-small ListService.net
Date: Wednesday, March 04, 1998 3:58 PM
Subject: ADMIN: Decision on advertising on the lists


>I'd like to thank everyone for all the responses I've received
>so far. I plan on putting them together into one text file,
>posting them to the web and emailing the URL to the lists
>this evening. The number of responses has been high and I don't
>want to flood the lists with them. Everyone deserves to know the
>opinions expressed so they will be on a web page (which won't
>have any external links so your comments are kept private).

>
>Ken Payne
>Admin
>
>
>+--------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1980 - 1996 ----------------+
>| Send posts to fordtrucks80up listservice.net, |
>| List removal instructions on the website. |
>+----------------- Site: http://www.ford-trucks.com -----------------+


Well, This may be a very dumb idea, and may get alot of people angry at me
but here goes. Why not add a link at the bottom of the banner

ie.

>+--------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1980 - 1996 -----------------+
>| Send posts to fordtrucks80up listservice.net,
|
>| List removal instructions on the website.
|
>| Advertisements http://www.ford-trucks.com/~adver.html |
>+----------------- Site:
http://www.ford-trucks.com ----------------------+

Such a link would get advertisers on one web page, and make a direct link
from the messages to the web page to take us there. I belive that it is
also not supporting just one company so you don't cross over any lines
there.

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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 18:54:23 -0600
From: "Bridgtap"
Subject: Jacobs update 2 and other thinking,

Hi all

let me pose a thought the reason I decided to try the Jacobs ign was
to improve mileage in 351W.My thinking was this; up till 3 yrs ago I had a
78 E150 van that I Purchased new,it had a 351w with a holly 2 barrel I drove
it almost 20 yrs even put a new long block in it.I averaged 14-15 mph in
town and close to 20 on the road driving in 65 mph range.So smarty here
thought 89 351w with fuel injection and a better built motor would do the
same or better with it being in pickup.Going with that thinking,Ican only
conclude that the Interdiction or ECM to control all functions of the engine
must have something to do with the lower MPH the truck gets,Knowing to that
Ford builds a standard truck for all over the country I assumed it would be
possible to teak it for your part of the country and driving use.As I
research the matter I eyes get opened wider and wider.The input from all
here is great and I am learning,I like My Jacobs overall I think their 2 mpg
may be high but I am not ready to rule it out as I did not install their
Plugs wires as they suggested but ,I think I will.A not very good test with
a digital volt meter shown a lost less resistance in coil wire test between
Jac, coil wire and what I have on the truck as I said poor test ,wire under
load is the way to test but I can't measure that here at the house.however
My soon to be son-in-law did bring me a Summit Feb 98 cat.and on pg. 224
shows inline ecm module for a ford that is suppose to modify stock ecm on
timing and fuel mixture I wonder if Anybody has history on such a module and
what were there results, price is 219.One more thing ,unplugging pos,Batt
terminal for 5 minutes or more did clear the codes and the truck seams
better with the jacobs in line.



later john K.

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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 21:07:26 EST
From: JSCF250
Subject: Re: STOP SLAMMING THE E4OD!

THEY SUCK

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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 20:12:13 -0600
From: "Fast Ford"
Subject: Re: STOP SLAMMING THE E4OD!

The E40D doesn't suck!!

I will put up my Lightning which puts out 385rwhp to my E40D up against any
other Truck and it's tranny.

My 94 Lightning has 49K miles and 12K of those miles are with my current
385rwhp motor. Matter of fact I am getting ready to put 150hp shot of NOS
to my truck and that E40D will take it and beg for more.

Maybe you just don't take care or know how to drive your truck.
- -----Original Message-----
From: JSCF250
To: fordtrucks80up ListService.net
Date: Wednesday, March 04, 1998 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: STOP SLAMMING THE E4OD!


>THEY SUCK
>+--------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1980 - 1996 ----------------+
>| Send posts to fordtrucks80up listservice.net, |
>| List removal instructions on the website. |
>+----------------- Site: http://www.ford-trucks.com -----------------+
>

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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 21:28:02 EST
From: JSCF250
Subject: Re: STOP SLAMMING THE E4OD!

YEAH RIGHT, its not my truck that has problems, i dont think there is anyone
more obsessed with a truck , or boat, or anything than me, i hear alot of sad
stories about that tranny. maybe your lucky, maybe all of the guys that have
problems with that tranny didnt take care of them, but you stated 49k on that
car, that aint sh.. they usually start having problems at 60 or 70 k. hey
thats my opinion, if your happy with your tranny , so be it. actually i wish
there was no problems with them because i was going to put od in my truck. but
i dont want to take a chance.if somebody said the c-6s were sh.. i wouldnt
take it personal, i know that mine is good. EVERYBODY IS ENTITLED TO THEIR
OPINION AND THATS MINE.

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Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 21:40:58 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: Opinions/feedback on web site

To those interested:

http://www.ford-trucks.com/opinion.html

I got every opinion up to 9:30 EST on it except for roughly
3 "no" opinions that I forwared to all the lists last night.
Thanks for all the feedback on this advertising issue, I
appreciate everyone's honesty.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 00:17:20 EST
From: FSTFORDS
Subject: Re: STOP SLAMMING THE E4OD!

oh sorry i forgot too mention ,my bronco has 115k!!!

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Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 23:37:16 -0600
From: bgap RAPIDNET.COM
Subject: Re: Bellhousing and Flywheel for 429

Tom,
I will probably have the air conditioner compressor bracket if you want
it. Let me know.
What I am doing is putting a 460 into an old Army Duece and a half. I
bought a donor car (78 Merc Grand Marquis) with the 460 and C-6 auto
trans. I also have a 1977 Ford F-150 with 351M and 4-speed tranny. I
want the 6X6 to be manual, the 77 I don't really care, so the 4-speed
comes out of the 77, and the C-6 goes in. I don't think that the....


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