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fordtrucks80up-digest Monday, January 5 1998 Volume 02 : Number 008



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In this issue:

Re: Salesman ["Hummer" ]
Rough ride ["Smeins, Larry" ]
RE: Rough ride [Randy Rees ]
Salesman [CASSIS universal.usa.com (Cassis, John)]
If it fits you must.... not aquit??? [Daryl.Rue entex.com (daryl rue)]
re: Josh [Daryl.Rue entex.com (daryl rue)]
Re: Rough ride ["Joseph L. Casey" ]
Ranger problems [David ]
Re: Salesman [Jordan ]
re: Car Salesman [KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)]
POINT [Daryl.Rue entex.com (daryl rue)]
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V2 #5 [Lou Guerriero ]
Re: Salesman and used car problems [KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY]
Replies to recent comments... ["The Lublin Family" ]
Re: Rough Ride. ["The Lublin Family" ]
Re: POINT ["David J. Baldwin" ]
Brake Problem [ILuvTruks ]
Re: legislative alert-Colorado ["Ryan Penner" ]
Re:Invoices [hunter cyberstreet.com (Michael Kisielewski)]
Re: Rough ride ["Ryan Penner" ]
Re: If it fits you must.... not aquit??? [Filip M Gieszczykiewicz
re: Salesmen shenanigans.... [Ken Payne ]
Re: If it fits you must.... not aquit??? [Robert ]
Re: Re: Shocking F-150, AND Ford dealer mishaps. [Macormick
Re: Re: Rough ride [Macormick ]
[Fwd: Re: If it fits you must.... not aquit???] [Randy

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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:14:15 -0500
From: "Hummer"
Subject: Re: Salesman

No, that would be a politician.

Hummer

- -----Original Message-----
From: bthomas Kollsman.com
To: fordtrucks80up listservice.net ; Cassis,
John
Date: Monday, January 05, 1998 15:53
Subject: Re: Salesman


>
>
>Let's see, a car salesman with a law degree.....would that be a
>weaselsalesweasel?
>
>Just kidding!!
>Bob Ford
>
>
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>Subject: Salesman
>Author: CASSIS universal.usa.com (Cassis, John) at KOLLSMAN
>Date: 1/5/98 1:17 PM
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>
>
>
>
>Josh,
>Like I said before bud, not trying to bust your chops just
>making a
>point, sometimes I overmake the point but just trying to make a
>point......mom always said I should've become a lawyer.
>John Cassis
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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 14:46:24 -0700
From: "Smeins, Larry"
Subject: Rough ride

First I'm surprised that your 97 rides as rough as you describe. My 95,
equipped comparably, was the best riding truck I test drove and was a
factor in selecting Ford. That aside, Velvet Ride shackles are probably
your best option. Reports I see on Velvet Rides is they improve the
light load ride without sacrificing load capability. I think the air
bags that were suggested are really intended for heavier loads rather
than light loaded situations such as you want. There are air
suspensions available that replace the stock suspension but they are
expensive. If you can demonstrate that other comparably set up trucks
don't ride like yours you may have a valid warranty complaint.

Larry


>Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:40:22 -0800
>From: Randy Rees
>Subject: Rough ride

>OK, now that I have this beautiful new 97 F250HD PSD, it really rides
>very harsh. It has the trailer tow package and HD rear suspension
>package. What can be done to make this thing more civilized? I was
>thinking to at least start with new shocks as the stock ones seem to be
>overly stiff. Any other suggestions?

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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 13:56:10 -0800
From: Randy Rees
Subject: RE: Rough ride

I just noticed I have one rear leaf in the set on the left side that is
canted about 26 degrees out compared to the others and also that there
are two plastic things attached to the front springs held on by tape
that state "remove prior to sale" some of this may be causing some
problems. Any other suggestions? How about lower air pressure in the
rear, looks like the dealer put in 55 psi all around.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:Smeins, Larry [SMTP:lsmeins ball.com]
> Sent:Monday, January 05, 1998 1:46 PM
> To:'Randyr icat.com'
> Cc:'FordTrucks'
> Subject:Rough ride
>
> First I'm surprised that your 97 rides as rough as you describe. My
> 95,
> equipped comparably, was the best riding truck I test drove and was a
> factor in selecting Ford. That aside, Velvet Ride shackles are
> probably
> your best option. Reports I see on Velvet Rides is they improve the
> light load ride without sacrificing load capability. I think the air
> bags that were suggested are really intended for heavier loads rather
> than light loaded situations such as you want. There are air
> suspensions available that replace the stock suspension but they are
> expensive. If you can demonstrate that other comparably set up trucks
> don't ride like yours you may have a valid warranty complaint.
>
> Larry
>
>
> >Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:40:22 -0800
> >From: Randy Rees
> >Subject: Rough ride
>
> >OK, now that I have this beautiful new 97 F250HD PSD, it really rides
> >very harsh. It has the trailer tow package and HD rear suspension
> >package. What can be done to make this thing more civilized? I was
> >thinking to at least start with new shocks as the stock ones seem to
> be
> >overly stiff. Any other suggestions?
>
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Date: Mon, 05 Jan 98 15:31
From: CASSIS universal.usa.com (Cassis, John)
Subject: Salesman

Car salesman with a law degree.....hmmmm. Maybe then he would know what
the Deceptive Trade Practices Act was. Probly would know, but just
would'nt care. I'm not saying the guys dont work hard for a living, but
give me a break. We all work hard for a living. The difrence between what
I do and what they do is I dont smooth talk a man/woman into purchasing a
vehicle that they can't afford or set them up with rip-off financing that
has all these added insurances and BS that cost them even more money a
month. They just wory about making a sales quota or making their sale and
dont think that wht they talk someone into buying affects that person for
the next 48, 60, or even 72 months. Through the dealerships financing I
could have payed $450 a month for 60 months for the same truck I financed
through my credit union for $308 a month for 60 months. Good thing I knew
better. What was the extra $142 a month for? Yep the new car buying
experience. Buyers bewhere. My point once again is that they wory about
who they take advantage of today and will try and take advantage of
someone else tomorow.....but dont relize those people pay for it for a
very long time, every month.

John Cassis
The Danger Ranger
93' STX 4x4 3.0/5-speed

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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 14:55:04 -0500
From: Daryl.Rue entex.com (daryl rue)
Subject: If it fits you must.... not aquit???

My garage is exactly 267" from drywall to rubber on garage door floor seal.
Truck is 257.5 + 5"for bumper = 262.5". That leaves at most 4.5". It seems
like if it will fit why not do it? But then again this thing is still man
operated I could take out a wall! Anyone else have this tight of a fit? I
could get a short box 6 3/4' that would be about 16" more room(in the garage,
not the truck). Still not room enough to do anything, and I would probably end
up pulling it ahead further that necessary most of the time anyways... Looking
for some feedback to help me make my decision.

Thanks,

Daryl in Omaha

FYI the gross weight of a 99 crew cab long box is 8800lbs, this makes it almost
inevitable to get the v10 engine instead of the v8. You could tow a big
trailer, but you would not be able to load the truck up much. At least with
that model.

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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:08:09 -0500
From: Daryl.Rue entex.com (daryl rue)
Subject: re: Josh

If we keep this up we may start to hurt josh's sales! He'll start to be overly
paranoid!

Daryl

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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:30:21 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph L. Casey"
Subject: Re: Rough ride

At 09:40 AM 1/5/98 -0800, you wrote:
>
>OK, now that I have this beautiful new 97 F250HD PSD, it really rides
>very harsh. It has the trailer tow package and HD rear suspension
>package. What can be done to make this thing more civilized? I was
>thinking to at least start with new shocks as the stock ones seem to be
>overly stiff. Any other suggestions?


Hear are 4 suggestions to consider:
1. Try the Velvet Ride sold by Goodrich and also through retail outlets
(about $180-$200).
2. Try a non-gas shock: I don't recall the name brand, but some have
commented about this on this group or on website: abol.com (a powerstroke
talk/news group)
3. Try a Kelderman Air Bag System; I know some one with an excellent used one
(I sold mine to him, though I don't know if he wants to sell it.)
4. Weight the truck's front and back axles separately--but together as can
be done at a highway weight station or Cat Scales, then check with tire
dealer to determine the amount of air needed for those weights. Adjust
accordingly and the ride will could be improved if you can let air out.

Let me know how it goes!

jcasey1 condor.depaul.edu

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Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 17:56:26 -0500
From: David
Subject: Ranger problems

I own a 94 Ranger Xlt and I have experienced most of the same problems that
you have, except for the idle problem. My truck has a 2.3L four so my guess
is that it has some thing to do with having the 4.0L. I don't have any
ideas on how to eliminate the problems completly, but when I start my truck
in the morning I drive down the street slowly applying the brake a few
times and this gets them dry by the time I'm out on the main road. Every
ranger I've ridden in has squeaky door pannels. Sorry I don't have any
answers to your problem, however you are not the only one with these problems.

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Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 15:36:35 -0600
From: Jordan
Subject: Re: Salesman

At 01:17 PM 1/5/98, you wrote:
>
>Josh,
>Like I said before bud, not trying to bust your chops just making a
>point, sometimes I overmake the point but just trying to make a
>point......mom always said I should've become a lawyer.
>
>John Cassis
wow look, another honest profesion. Now don't get me wrong salemen might
be totally honest at home but when they get out on the playing field it is
pretty much anything goes. Take for example my explorer. First we ask the
man (a used car guy at a FORD dealership) have all the recalls been fixed
"of course they have" funny but my parking brake still screws up excatly
like it shouldn't if it had been fixed. but thanks for entering into the
computer that it had been fixed. Next, hmmm the clutch feels a little
screwy, next day "I had one of the guys look at it and I drove it, its
normal" -- 3 weeks later I can't put the car into 1st or second good and I
take it in and need a new clutch. -also there is acid eating away under
the paint that they nicely covered with a HEAVY coat of wax. -the list
goes on, back wiper doesn't work, Ac needs work. This man was not even
close to honest, and we really did begin to like him that'll teach us.
Jordan

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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:25:34, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: re: Car Salesman

John,

I didn't say that a sales person would f# k someone as hard as
possible if they were gullible, but a sales person would keep there
mouth shut if someone was to pay at MSRP sticker. If you got paid an
extra $200 on your paycheck just because someone screwed up, would
you correct it? I didn't think so. If a sales person has a chance
to make extra dough because the person buys at MSRP, they won't tell
the customer to try to get a better deal. That is all I'm trying to
say. I know some sales people are out there to screw people, I don't
happen to be one of them. I'd rather see a happy customer come back
for repeat business rather than a pissed off one go somewhere else.
Josh

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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:46:25 -0500
From: Daryl.Rue entex.com (daryl rue)
Subject: POINT

You're point is a obvious one. It is not going away. Be happy you are not the
sucker. Suckers will be suckers in this world. A sucker can go away happy too.


Who is to say someone comes to you're door to buy you're truck, you
advertise(MSRP) it for $4900. Knowing you would come down to $4500. You may be
kinda tight on money(I do not know a car salesman who make too much). A man
pulls up in the a cadalic, not necessarily concerned about his money, says I'll
take it, for his son. Hands you $4900 cash like nothin. Drives away. You are
happy, and so is he! You aren't going to go to him and say oh that was just
MSRP, I did not think I would get a sucker to buy my car, here is $400 back.
NO. Do you feel guilty that if some strapped man came and offered you $4500 you
would have taken it? If people(including suckers, which I think is a inaccurate
term) are worried about their money they will not be suckers. I have a friend
who has bought his last two cars, and paid sticker! He says its kinda like
tippin someone. I do not understand it, but I guess if it makes him happy...

You made a deal you both are happy with. End of Story.

The car DEALERS are who have it all screwed up. The Salesman get very little %
of what is over and above invoice, the dealer wins. Bash the dealers, and I
might even help.

Daryl

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Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 19:04:08 -0500
From: Lou Guerriero
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V2 #5

Hey....

1.) When the truck is warmed up and re-started, (ex. Driving 15+ miles =

and starting it before it cools down) the engine nearly stalls and then
=
idles rough ( approx 700 RPM) for about 30 seconds until the computer =

raises the idle to 1000 RPM, then eventually drops it back down 700 RPM
=


Change gas... worked for me....

3) The interior door panels are rubbing against the metal door and have
=
worn through the paint in some places while making an annoying squeak.
=
Has anybody had this problem or have any ideas on how to fix it before I
=
take sandpaper to the plastic and round the edges?

Take a rolled up newspaper, and put it between the door and frame, and
close the door.
It saved me a bundle, vice removing the doors and re-seating them...
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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:46:08, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: Re: Salesman and used car problems

All I can say about used cars is play with everything (AC, wipers-
front and rear, power seats, power window and locks, cruise, and all
of the other stuff just to be sure it works). Otherwise, the
contract says "Sold with all faults" and that means you have to pay
to fix them when it is yours.

Josh

ps. you'll never find a used vehicle in new condtion...may seem
pretty close, but will never be perfect.

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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:52:27 -0500
From: "The Lublin Family"
Subject: Replies to recent comments...

First of all, I would like to throw in my 0.02 in about car sales people. I or my family have never dealt with new car sales
people, but with used car sales people. There is a local Ford dealership who will screw anybody over on a used vehicle at every
opportunity. My mom got screwed over on her Ranger. Well then again, the used car lot, I bought my F-150 from wanted $595. to
start. After allot of talking and giving the dealer a list of repairs that needed to be made, I got him down to $450. He was
willing to work with me. We have had both good and bad experience with dealers, and I am not pointing the finger at any dealer
here. Dealers have to make a living, I understand that, but the consumer is not made of money either. The price of new
vehicles is totally outrageous in my opinion. I deal in cars and trucks quite often, and I have seen both ends of the stick

Chris "Lube" Lublin

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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 19:07:19 -0500
From: "The Lublin Family"
Subject: Re: Rough Ride.

First off, I have noted that Ford Trucks are the roughest riding trucks of the big 3. There are ways to smoothe out ride quality
in your F-250 Crewcab, but most of them are very impractical. You can a leaf or two removed from your spring packs, but that is
expensive and does not improve ride quality by much. It also detracts from the hauling capacity of your truck also. You can
put air shocks on, you can also have an air ride spring installed too. Running your tires a few pounds underpressure helps
smooth ou the ride also but that is not recommended. The only way to really get a smooth ride is to either: buy a Chevy or get a
smaller tonnage truck.

Hey by the way, Does Ford still use the twin-I-beam with kingpins setup on there F-250 HD and larger two wheel drive trucks? Have
they started putting ball joints on these trucks yet? What year did Ford switch from Kingpins to ball joints on there 1/2
trucks? My '81 has kingpins. and I just got rid of an '82 van with Kingpins also. Both were 1/2 ton. The '84 F-150 I had
had ball joints.

Later....

Chris "Lube" Lublin

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Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 18:26:24 -0600
From: "David J. Baldwin"
Subject: Re: POINT

daryl rue wrote:
> You made a deal you both are happy with. End of Story.

That's what it boils down to. If you're not happy with the deal, go
somewhere else, or buy something else. Pay attention to that uneasy
feeling--there's probably a reason for it.

It is hard to believe, but there are people with so much money, that
they will just pay MSRP (OR MORE) because they don't want to waste the
time haggling.

Dave Baldwin
Dallas, TX
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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 19:59:57 EST
From: ILuvTruks
Subject: Brake Problem

Howdy, Y'all,
I need to see if anyone here can help me. I was driving home yesterday in my
friend's '84 Olds Toronado, and he was in the passenger seat. I was driving
just to save him half the trip from picking me up. Anyway, yes, I know it's
not a Ford, but his Ford cracked a block and he needs this car really badly
while we fix his truck. What happened was, without any indication (no noises,
lurches, grinds, hesitation, anything.) When I got off the gas, to coast down
a hill to a red light, the car came to a dead stop in about half the distance
before I should have even put on the brake. I had to almost gun the pedal to
get the car to move. We went about another block and pulled over. The tires
(all 4) were smoking from the pads burning. anyway, it only got worse when
the rear wheels decided to intermittently lock up completely, making our car
do a really cool rear end jump ( the shocks in the back are both blown
completely ) I have to mention though that there is still pedal! You can push
it down and make the car stop even faster, and then the pedal has return. At
first I thought the booster was bad. That happened with my BII, so I just had
to toe up the pedal. Not the case here. There is still return, and when I
tried to toe it up anyway (in case there was only partial return, it didn't
go. I had not slammed on the brakes at all to think I caused something to
burst. There was no brake light at all (as if that helps) and there was plenty
of brake fluid. I checked the emergency brake, and it seemed ok. What could
be wrong with this car? Master cylindar, emergency brake, proportioning
valve? What causes all four disc brakes to go down, and stay down, but to
still push back up the pedal and to still have further braking power? And
what causes it to happen all at one time, and to all work perfectly moments
before? Any ideas?

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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:44:17 -0700
From: "Ryan Penner"
Subject: Re: legislative alert-Colorado

- -----Original Message-----
From: Randall Goolsby
To: fordtrucks80up ListService.net
Date: Sunday, January 04, 1998 11:28 PM
Subject: legislative alert-Colorado


To Ken and Everybody on the late model Ford truck list,We got the same
message on the late model Bronco list on 1-2-98 or 1-3-98.There was alot
of bandwidth used on this topic,believe me.The post I saw here was the
same one I saw there,It was generated by SEMA,who are apparently
enthusiasts as we all are.I E-mailed the author of the post for further
info and also to attempt to confirm the post.I also E-mailed a
representitive of the AAMVA(american assoc. of motor vehicle
administrators) who offered some form of criteria to Colorado that has
gotten this thing as far as it may be.I have recieved nothing from
either as of this post.What's really needed here IMHO is some kind of
confirmation that this thing really exists,and how far it's gotten if it
does exist.I would suggest that it would be best obtained through a
fellow list member from that state, accessing through means readily
available on the internet,also possibly calling the responsible review
committee for firsthand info., (read-NAMES)and status,authors ,etc.I
would suggest that there are others on this list that belong to
additional lists that could find out what's being done,if anything
there, to assist in an organized effort to defeat this thing.I agree,it
reeks of Big Brother,Elitist mentality and the rest.I would however not
like to see any of us discredited by the perpetuating of bad or
incomplete info.If I find out ANYTHING on this,be certain I'll post
it.Would all of you do likewise?THEN we can turn he dogs loose. Thanks.
Randy,94 Bronco 85-F-250

My dad told me when I asked him that Colorado has been triing to do this
bill for years. So I belive that it is real, just more than likely not
going anywhere.

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Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 22:04:38 -0500
From: hunter cyberstreet.com (Michael Kisielewski)
Subject: Re:Invoices

Randy,

Josh is right. When something is a hot item they don't need to make any
deals unless the salesperson wants to and can. I didn't get the best
deal on my '97 F-150 but I didn't pay MSRP either. Now my wife and I are
looking at replacing a leased Chrysler Town and Country with a Mercedes
ML-320. The 320's are such hot sellers there is a sixth month wait down
here in Florida a year if you're in Pennsylvania. Not only are we going
to have to wait but no one and I mean no one is going to sell it for
less than MSRP. I even accessed Auto-by-tel and one other online buying
service and was given the same info. It's a lesson on how supply and
demand drive the market.

Michael

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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 19:07:17 -0700
From: "Ryan Penner"
Subject: Re: Rough ride

>Why do people brag about buying a TRUCK, the complain that it rides
>like a TRUCK? If you want a soft ride, buy a car, or a boulevard
>cruiser like an F150, or a toy truck!
>
>Happy New Year All!!
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I will have you know that my F-150 happens to have a "rough" ride. Mabey not
as rough as my dad's 250 but never the less it does not feel like no crown
vic!

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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 21:18:39 -0600 (CST)
From: Filip M Gieszczykiewicz
Subject: Re: If it fits you must.... not aquit???

You (daryl rue) wrote:
> My garage is exactly 267" from drywall to rubber on garage door floor seal.
> Truck is 257.5 + 5"for bumper = 262.5". That leaves at most 4.5". It seems
> like if it will fit why not do it? But then again this thing is still man
> operated I could take out a wall! Anyone else have this tight of a fit? I

If you're looking for a nice way to park that sucker, you can do what
we did with our GMC extended conversion van (that leaves us ~6" clearance)
and mound a convex mirror (like that found around hidden driveways) and
mount it in such a way that you can see the nose.. then, by using your
headlights you can inch (ugh) it along until you're just leaving 2inches.
(you have to give it ~1-1.5" for the parking brake tooth in the tranny -
ie the car will move back or forward a few inches when you put it in park
and release the brake... might want to use the parking brake -that's what
we do.

Might want to glue a used inner tube along the wall where any part of the
bumper might touch ... just in case. Saved us a few times.

Take care.

P.S. God help you if you leave the rear doors/tailgate down and
someone closes the garage door !!

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Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 22:27:26 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: re: Salesmen shenanigans....

At 01:16 PM 1/5/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Ken,
>
>You should know better than to flame salesmen, especially when one or
>more are on this list. Many of the problems you have with salesmen
>has to do with the gullibility and blindness of the customer. Any

So its fault of the gullible customer and not the dishonest salesman
who takes advantage of him/her? Don't you see that as backwards?
As to flaming.... I wouldn't call my comments flaming. I never pointed
to any individual and the items I presented as standard cons are
legitimate concerns and ***still*** have not been addressed. Anyone who
follows the newsgroups will know that I'm not nearly as cordial when I
flame.

>half-normal customer should be able to see hidden tricks coming from
>a mile a way. If you think you are being robbed, go to the next
>dealership.

The problem is the BS games they pull to rob you without you knowing
it. Who's normal? Why the hidden tricks?

>
>To answer your question about why I am in this business, well I love
>cars and trucks. I love to know everything about them and how they
>perform. I also like to help people. If you have had problems like
>this, why don't ya give me a shot to sell you a car without trying to
>screw ya?
>
>Josh Tenney
>Lakeland Truck Center

Josh, I never said anyone here was a low-life for being a salesperson.
Many people in the business are honest. I feel sorry for the honest
ones them as many of their colleagues drag them down.

Newspapers, radio and TV won't address the problems in the industry
because a large percentage of their advertising comes from the
industry. Sure there are many honest dealerships and salespersons
but I think they're outnumbered. Heck, the worst I've run into was
at a Saturn dealership.... he was smooth. Didn't try to dicker on
the price but boy was he pushy with interest rates and trade-in.
Needless to say, we have 2 Fords right now.

We'll soon be owning another. My tactic is simple: I set my
price with reasonable profit, my interest rate and I have no
trade-in. If they can't have it confirmed in 15-30 minutes I
walk out. I let them know up front that I'm there to buy a
car, not for BS. I did that this summer. The salesman was a
jive-chump. "I'm new here, only been here a week." Yeah right,
the guy knew everyone's name and sure did seem to know Ford's
real well (he drove a Toyota). Must have been a quick learner.
He seemed so socked that I walked out - ignoring his pleas.
Guy actually had the nerve to call me 2 days later at home so I
told him I bought a Chevy. We'll probably get the new Ford
this month - somewhere else.

Just wanted to say that I can take it as well as dish it out.
I've never unsubscribed or censored someone because of their
opinion. Anyone who was here last spring during the great Slick
50 wars can vouch for it. Now if someone gets foul mouthed,
that's another matter.

Ford may not like me for saying what I say (we have several
people from Ford on our lists) about the dealerships but I
think I'm far more a positive promotor than an enemy. Heck,
we get 600-1000 visitors daily who see the word "Enthusiast"
after "Ford Truck" on the web site.

If we can't speak our minds here, where can we?

Lastly, for the record... Josh, you are an asset to the lists.
I truly hope this topic won't drive you away (pun intended).
This war, like all the past wars, will die away.

Cheers! I bleed Ford Blue,

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 19:25:31 -0800
From: Robert
Subject: Re: If it fits you must.... not aquit???

My dad used to have a small rubber ball hanging from the ceiling and when it just
touched the windshield on his 'vette, it was just right! ;-)

Robert
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Filip M Gieszczykiewicz wrote:

> You (daryl rue) wrote:
> > My garage is exactly 267" from drywall to rubber on garage door floor seal.
> > Truck is 257.5 + 5"for bumper = 262.5". That leaves at most 4.5". It seems
> > like if it will fit why not do it? But then again this thing is still man
> > operated I could take out a wall! Anyone else have this tight of a fit? I
>
> If you're looking for a nice way to park that sucker, you can do what
> we did with our GMC extended conversion van (that leaves us ~6" clearance)
> and mound a convex mirror (like that found around hidden driveways) and
> mount it in such a way that you can see the nose.. then, by using your
> headlights you can inch (ugh) it along until you're just leaving 2inches.
> (you have to give it ~1-1.5" for the parking brake tooth in the tranny -
> ie the car will move back or forward a few inches when you put it in park
> and release the brake... might want to use the parking brake -that's what
> we do.
>
> Might want to glue a used inner tube along the wall where any part of the
> bumper might touch ... just in case. Saved us a few times.
>
> Take care.
>
> P.S. God help you if you leave the rear doors/tailgate down and
> someone closes the garage door !!
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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:38:41 EST
From: Macormick
Subject: Re: Re: Shocking F-150, AND Ford dealer mishaps.

I have the same problem (if thats what you want to call it) with my Ranger. I
figure its just static, ya know like when you run your feet across the floor
and shock someone. Course I'm not sure how many of you do that on a regular
basis, I don't for all you wondering. I'm just using that as an example.

Matt

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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:43:39 EST
From: Macormick
Subject: Re: Re: Rough ride

I mean come on you bought a 250HD, they are made for work. They need that
suspension for the work most people use them for. If you want a soft ride get
a car or a light duty truck.

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Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 00:01:24 -0800
From: Randy
Subject: [Fwd: Re: If it fits you must.... not aquit???]

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Doh!!! I hate it when I do that! Here is the post, reposted w/out the
'spamless' in the address.....
Randy wrote:
>
> daryl rue wrote:
> >
> > My garage is exactly 267" from drywall to rubber on garage door floor seal.
> > Truck is 257.5 + 5"for bumper = 262.5". That leaves at most 4.5". It seems
> > like if it will fit why not do it? But then again this thing is still man
> > operated I could take out a wall! Anyone else have this tight of a fit? I
> > could get a short box 6 3/4' that would be about 16" more room(in the garage,
> > not the truck). Still not room enough to do anything, and I would probably end
> > up pulling it ahead further that necessary most of the time anyways... Looking
> > for some feedback to help me make my decision.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Daryl in Omaha
>
> Daryl, go for it! Cuz my motto is "you ain't poop if you ain't got an 8
> ft bed". All you guys w/less than 8', I don't want to hear it. Daryl,
> I would suggest buying one of those electronic detectors you see in
> Radio Shack that send the laser across the door opening and buzzes when
> the laser is broken. Set it at the back of the garage so it buzzes the
> entire time you are pulling in the truck and stops buzzing as soon as
> the tailgate passes by. Also, put it on a switch so when you may be
> working on the truck and have it partially out the door (my truck is too
> tall to fit, but I can fit up to the windshield) you can disconnect the
> buzzing. If there's not enough room behind the truck, maybe put it down
> lower so that the rear tires would be you gage. You could add some
> 'insurance' and bolt down some type of wheel chock to the floor to stop
> one of the front tires. Let me know what you think.
>
> Randy

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Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 19:48:14 -0800
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daryl rue wrote:
>
> My garage is exactly 267" from drywall to rubber on garage door floor seal.
> Truck is 257.5 + 5"for bumper = 262.5". That leaves at most 4.5". It seems
> like if it will fit why not do it? But then again this thing is still man
> operated I could take out a wall! Anyone else have this tight of a fit? I....

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