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fordtrucks80up-digest Monday, March 2 1998 Volume 02 : Number 079



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In this issue:

Re: 250 HP from a FAN??!! [Bill Funk ]
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V2 #78 [Cerveza6 ]
RE: New Bronco Owner ["Jram" ]
Re: 250 HP from a FAN??!! [bgap RAPIDNET.COM]
WE ARE HERE TO HELP EACH OTHER [JSC721 ]
Two shocks too many? ["Posluszny, Walt (posl)" ]
Re: Two shocks too many? [JSC721 ]
Re: 250 HP from a FAN??!! [Chad Royse ]
Re: OK...MORE PHONY STORIES [Chad Royse ]
Re: 88 rear abs ["curtis miller" ]
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V2 #78 [JMHSUV ]
F-250 Brake Problems ["watt gilbert" ]
Re: 88 rear abs [JSC721 ]
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V2 #78 [JSC721 ]
Re: fordtrucks - 'flex'able [Randy ]
82 van engine swap [Docmi5 ]
Re: 82 van engine swap [Randy ]
Re: exhaust [Randall Wer ]
Re: 82 van engine swap [bgap RAPIDNET.COM]

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Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 05:28:58 -0700
From: Bill Funk
Subject: Re: 250 HP from a FAN??!!

> From: Bakend
> Subject: Re: OK...MORE PHONY STORIES
>
> You wrote:
>
> The largest Electric Fan I saw was a 2500CFM drawing 10amps. There
> was no
> horse power rating for this fan, but there was a rating of 250hp w/
> Air for a
> 2200CFM fan (would you believe this fan drew 19amps???). So I imagine
> the
> 2500CFM fan would handle about 280hp w/ air.
>
> My reply:
>
> 250 horsepower from a 12 volt fan drawing a mere 19 amps! I want one
> of these
> to replace my 2.9 and use a Briggs and Straton to turn the alternator.
>
> JUST KIDDING!!!!!
> Actually if you look closer you will see that it is .250hp or 1
> horsepower.
> D Baken

Uh, no.
That 250 HP figure is the approximate HP output of the engine, that the
fan's designed to cool.
More HP than that, and the fan won't provide adequate cooling.
You could use such a fan on, say, a 460 if there was no towing being
done, but if there was towing, especially in hill country, that fan
wouldn't adequately cool the engine (as an example).
I tried an electric fan on my '81 F-250 w/400M, and in a Phoenix summer,
it wouldn't do the job. A flex fan with a spacer did just fine.

Bill

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Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 08:11:31 EST
From: Cerveza6
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V2 #78

In a message dated 98-03-01 05:53:11 EST, you write:


I have an 89 Ford Bronco ltd Full Sized 4x4. Dont harass me because I just
got
it, and I dont know a damn thing about it!! :>) It came in handy during all
>>

Dave, you lalso might enjoy the Big Bronco digest. It is at
www.off -road. com /bigbroncos.

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Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 09:59:11 -0600
From: "Jram"
Subject: RE: New Bronco Owner

Dave,
Congratulations on your new Bronco. An excellent web page is
Bronco.com. It is very informative and has great links. Jram

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Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 09:10:33 -0600
From: bgap RAPIDNET.COM
Subject: Re: 250 HP from a FAN??!!

Just to let you all know, I set up a 35' Bus Motorcoach last year with
three electric fans to cool the rear engine, rear radiator Cat 3208.
The engine overheated. I went back to the akward belt driven system!
(Anybody want to buy three electric fans???!!)

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Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 12:40:57 EST
From: JSC721
Subject: WE ARE HERE TO HELP EACH OTHER

you guys just fire away with the questions, and opinions. thats why we spent
so much money on our trucks, and computers. try and get some helpful advice
from ford or a repair shop. good luck. they wont tell you nothin. what ever it
is ,FUEL ECONOMY, HORSEPOWER, COOLING ,EXHAUST , ROUGH IDLE, ANYTHING just
ask it ann WE WILL HELP ANYWAY WE CAN. this is tech talk. when we put our
ideas together we will get these problems fixed. without high cost, and less
aggravation. we are all looking to have our trucks running great and saving
$$$ at the same time, we are all looking for the same thing or we wouldnt be
here. so lets lighten up and get back to tech talk. ( including myself)

joe / jsc721

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Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 10:08:32 -0800
From: "Posluszny, Walt (posl)"
Subject: Two shocks too many?

Folks,

I've got an 85 F150 4x4 with the factory quad front shock set-up. I've
replaced the factory shocks with Rancho 5000's. Now the ride is so rough my
fillings are falling out. I know the factory springs have hunkered down a
bit, I've ordered new springs with a progressive spring rate. But that will
only help if the factory springs had progressive rates to begin with which I
doubt. I'm considering removing one of the front shocks from each side.
Which should I remove, the front most or the rear most. Is there something
else I should be looking at besides springs and shocks? The ride was fine
before I changed to the 5000s. My kidneys are hateing me right now. My
wife won't even ride in the truck. Help?

W

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Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 13:35:54 EST
From: JSC721
Subject: Re: Two shocks too many?

i would return the 5000s and buy a set of gabriel magnum plus. i just put 4 of
them in my 89 f-250 and it rides like a cadillac. they are cheaper than the
5000s about 22.bucks a piece at pep boys, or try monroe sensa trac they are
the same. i learned my lesson back in 91 when i put 5000s in my blazer(been
there done that) also a little lower tire pressure will give you a smoother
ride.call rancho and give them a piece of your mind. those shocks are not
cheap. get your money back and buy those gabriel truck shocks. good luck.

joe

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Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 14:16:20 -0500
From: Chad Royse
Subject: Re: 250 HP from a FAN??!!

I'm not exactly sure what you were trying to tell me (ask???), but to
clarify things: The HP rating was the rating the manufacturer has set for
the size engine it would cool. Sorry if that was not clear. Also that
250Hp rating was for an engine with a/c and a 2200CFM fan. Refer to my
original post for the other details.

Chad

Bill Funk wrote:

> > 250 horsepower from a 12 volt fan drawing a mere 19 amps! I want one
> > of these
> > to replace my 2.9 and use a Briggs and Straton to turn the alternator.
> >
> > JUST KIDDING!!!!!
> > Actually if you look closer you will see that it is .250hp or 1
> > horsepower.
> > D Baken
>
> Uh, no.
> That 250 HP figure is the approximate HP output of the engine, that the
> fan's designed to cool.
> More HP than that, and the fan won't provide adequate cooling.
> You could use such a fan on, say, a 460 if there was no towing being
> done, but if there was towing, especially in hill country, that fan
> wouldn't adequately cool the engine (as an example).
> I tried an electric fan on my '81 F-250 w/400M, and in a Phoenix summer,
> it wouldn't do the job. A flex fan with a spacer did just fine.
>
> Bill
>
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> | Send posts to fordtrucks80up listservice.net, |
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Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 14:19:55 -0500
From: Chad Royse
Subject: Re: OK...MORE PHONY STORIES

You should read my post a lil closer :).

Bakend wrote:

> 250 horsepower from a 12 volt fan drawing a mere 19 amps! I want one of these
> to replace my 2.9 and use a Briggs and Straton to turn the alternator.
> JUST KIDDING!!!!!
> Actually if you look closer you will see that it is .250hp or 1 horsepower.
> D Baken
> +--------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1980 - 1996 ----------------+
> | Send posts to fordtrucks80up listservice.net, |
> | List removal instructions on the website. |
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Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 13:44:42 -0600
From: "curtis miller"
Subject: Re: 88 rear abs

Vie got a 88 f150 and the rear abs light is always on. I just changed my rear
diff replacing it with a used and when i did that it worked for a while. Is there
a way to check the computer? Is it that sensor on the top of my diff? I live in
Saskatchewan Canada and abs is really helpful in winter id like to have it back.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.

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Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 15:19:37 EST
From: JMHSUV
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V2 #78

In a message dated 98-03-01 05:53:13 EST, you write:

>
flex fans are available for serpentine belts, the blades are opposite to pull
air from the reverse of normal flex fans. I installed a normal fan the the
parts company sent me and found out that it wasn't pulling air through the
radiator. They sent me a different one which the fan blades were reversed. No
overheating since then. I did install an electric fan before the flex fan and
still had overheating problems with a plow on. Now I have no overheat
problems. I did leave the electric fan on because it helps my AC work better
in stop/go traffic keeping condensor cool.

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Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 16:24:58 -0700
From: "watt gilbert"
Subject: F-250 Brake Problems

I bought a new F-250 HD 4wheel drive in 1991. It was on recall for front brakes overheating
some time later. It went to the dealer for service but they did not fix the problem.
Soon after the warrenty ran out, it burned up the front calipers and has heated up
and lost braking more times than I can remember. I have just burned up the third
set of callipers and will need new discs this time because they have been turned
so many times.

If anyone knows of a fix for this problem, I sure would appreciate some help.

Thanks;
W.R. Gilbert
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Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 21:57:38 EST
From: JSC721
Subject: Re: 88 rear abs

hey try disconnecting your battery for a few minutes and the light should be
off when you connect it back up. good luck.

joe
p.s. let me know if it works, it worked for me.

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Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 22:00:58 EST
From: JSC721
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V2 #78

yes the flex fan i had said it was a reverse fan. i did not overheat, but it
got a little hotter than normal , when i was idling with the ac on. so goodbye
flexfan. but i did notice a big difference in power . but i will live with
it.thanks man.

joe

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Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 23:14:07 -0800
From: Randy
Subject: Re: fordtrucks - 'flex'able

Joe, I didn't mean that I heard anything about flex fans bad or good,
I just know that summers are hot around here and I can't afford to
overheat when pulling my camper. I'm glad you let us know about the
temp raising a little, I think I'll stick w/my factory for now, thanks
Randy

JSC721 wrote:
>
> yes the flex fan i had said it was a reverse fan. i did not overheat, but it
> got a little hotter than normal , when i was idling with the ac on. so goodbye
> flexfan. but i did notice a big difference in power . but i will live with
> it.thanks man.
>
> joe
> +--------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1980 - 1996 ----------------+
> | Send posts to fordtrucks80up listservice.net, |
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Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 23:45:42 EST
From: Docmi5
Subject: 82 van engine swap

I have a 82 econoline van with a 4.9L inline six engine.
Can I change this to say a 302? If so where can I get info on motor mounts
etc.

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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 00:58:31 -0800
From: Randy
Subject: Re: 82 van engine swap

I would think that would be a pretty straight forward swap depending
on things like the transmission you have and any emissions or
electrical/computer(probably none) components you have on the van.
I'm sure they came w/302's at least as an option, so just make sure
you get a 302 from a truck or van. Stick as close as you can to that
year and you should be ok. Considering it was an option, you would be
able to find mounts at the bone yard. Just tell them you have a 302
in it now and you need motor mounts for it. Exhaust would be another
consideration, but should easily fixed if not a bolt-in deal. Let us
know how it goes....
Randy

Docmi5 wrote:
>
> I have a 82 econoline van with a 4.9L inline six engine.
> Can I change this to say a 302? If so where can I get info on motor mounts
> etc.

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Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 21:09:46 -0800 (PST)
From: Randall Wer
Subject: Re: exhaust

I was wondering what kind of muffler shops would stock a flowmaster
muffler. A national chain like Midas, or would a local shop be a better
bet?

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Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 22:23:22 -0600
From: bgap RAPIDNET.COM
Subject: Re: 82 van engine swap

Docmi5 wrote:
>
> I have a 82 econoline van with a 4.9L inline six engine.
> Can I change this to say a 302? If so where can I get info on motor mounts
> etc.
Recently did an 86 econoline E-250 (last year). I took out the 6.9
diesel and put in a 300 six. What a cluster-f+ck!!! I had to change
the wiring, the radiator, the exhaust, the motormounts, the tranny
....

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