fordtrucks80up-digest Saturday, February 28 1998 Volume 02 : Number 077



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In this issue:

Re: Trans Cooler Routing [JDavis1277 ]
1999 Super Duty Schedualing ["Union Auto" ]
RE: "Be afraid. Be very afraid..." ["Beaman, James"
Re: OK NOMORE PHONY STORIES [ACMERCG ]
RE:Tanny/TC Swap ["Posluszny, Walt (posl)" ]
Re: OK...MORE PHONY STORIES :) [David McDonald ]
RE: OK...MORE PHONY STORIES :) [CONWAY pjm.com]
Re: OK...MORE PHONY STORIES :) [JSC721 ]
Re: OK...MORE PHONY STORIES :) [David McDonald ]
Re: OK...MORE PHONY STORIES :) [David McDonald ]
Re: OK...MORE PHONY STORIES :) ["John M. Randall"
Re: OK...MORE PHONY STORIES :) [Paul Laughlin ]
Tran Cooler Routing ["Leo Mosley" ]
Re:Flex Fans ??? [Gary Gadwa ]
Re: Black Smoke and MAP Sensors ["Jram" ]
Re:Flex Fans ??? [Danny Gaudenti ]
Re: Flex Fans ??? [JSC721 ]
Re: Black Smoke and MAP Sensors [JSC721 ]
Re: Tran Cooler Routing [JSC721 ]
Re: black smoke from tailpipe [FSTFORDS ]
Re: black smoke from tailpipe [JSC721 ]

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:15:04 EST
From: JDavis1277
Subject: Re: Trans Cooler Routing

Someone suggested coolers integral with radiators are inefficient when engines
overheat. Perhaps. But, what is important is not so much the engine coolant
temp as it is the differential between coolant temp and trans oil temp. I
would be more concerned that my trans oil would cause my engine to overheat
even more, not that my engine would cause my trans oil to overheat. If you
use your truck in a hot environment or tow heavy loads up long steep grades an
auxiliary trans cooler and a trans oil temp gage are probably prudent.
Transmission oil cooling is a pretty complex subject. Try checking with a
transmission shop you trust for advice specific to your vehicle and to your
towing requirements. Butch Davis-

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:33:47 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: 1999 Super Duty Schedualing

Here is some information on scheduling for 1999 SD's. Ignore this if your
truck is already scheduled to be built. 5.4L are on short supply(this is
true in LD trucks as well) so to get a truck quicker order a V-10 or Diesel.
Also this week Ford is only scheduling 2wd single rear wheel trucks( they
forgot to order axles). This will make 2wd very easy to get but if you want
a 4x4 the following month looks pretty bleak also. If you want a 2wd you
could get one fairly quickly by contacting dealers like us who only sell
4x4's and are turning down their 2wd allocation.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc. Ford Mercury
Union, IA 50258

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:20:20 -0600
From: "Beaman, James"
Subject: RE: "Be afraid. Be very afraid..."

Lehmandp aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 98-02-25 10:49:08 EST, you write:
>
> > Thanks for the tips! However, I don't think I was very clear on my
> actual
> > question. Is it true that Ford has made changes to the E4OD and the
> latest
> > E4OD's are considered a reliable tranny? If so, when were these
> changes
> > implemented? Bonus: Do those changes (if they exist) apply to my 97
> E4OD?
> >
> > Thanks again!
> > Chad
> >
>
> I've heard that they implemented many changes throughout the course of
> introduction until '95.
>
I don't know what improvements were made lately to the
E4OD but I may have a good source for you. Ken Bachellerie
has an excellent web page on transmissions and you could
email him and ask. His page is at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thegrid.net/thedrivetrainpage/
.
Check in the article archives for his articles on the E40D and
other subjects. Very interesting stuff.

James Beaman
james.beaman lmco.com
Houston, Texas

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 11:37:14 EST
From: ACMERCG
Subject: Re: OK NOMORE PHONY STORIES

In a message dated 98-02-26 21:11:04 EST, you write:


troubleshoot the real problems. fun is fun , and enough is enough. >>
Geez, what happened to laughter? :)

Joe

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:22:29 -0800
From: "Posluszny, Walt (posl)"
Subject: RE:Tanny/TC Swap

I need some good suggestions/recommendations.

I currently have an 85 F150 4x4, 351-2bbl with a Ford 4 speed manual O.D.
and N.P 208 transfer Case.

I'd like to move to a 5 speed.

a) Which transmission would you recommend that would bolt up to my engine?

b) Which transfer Case would I need to bolt to this tranny?

c) Where's the best place to get the above parts?

d) What price do you think it would run me(ballpark)?

Thanks for all recommendations.

Walt

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 11:16:58 -0800
From: David McDonald
Subject: Re: OK...MORE PHONY STORIES :)

>
>
> Geez, what happened to laughter? :)
>
> Joe

Joe, the laughter is right here in my office when I read this:

>"Brian Soderblom" wrote:
>primary fuel pump. However, he told me that he checked the in-tank fuel
>pump which is not monitored by the computer and it is dead, which he says
>would cause my loss-of-fuel type problem. He also told me that Ford
>changed
>the fuel delivery system shortly after this model. So:

after reading this:

At 08:03 AM 2/26/98 -0800, you wrote:
>David Centrone wrote:
>>
>> I'm trying to locate a part for for my ford f-150's fuel tank ignition
>> system; can you help?
>
>Sure, call Mr. Goodwrench. I hear they know all about fuel tank
>ignitors!
>(but they stole the design from the Pinto) :-)
>
>Bill

Dave "Gigglin myself into a coughing fit" McDonald

P.S.
Anyone know where I can find a drive shaft filter element for a '90 F250?
I punched a hole in mine with the u-joint dipstick. (That's what I get for
puttin the reverse shackles on that dang yoke).

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:01:28 -0500
From: CONWAY pjm.com
Subject: RE: OK...MORE PHONY STORIES :)

> -----Original Message-----
> From:David McDonald [SMTP:dxmcdon uswest.com]
> Sent:Friday, February 27, 1998 2:17 PM
> To:fordtrucks80up ListService.net
> Subject:Re: OK...MORE PHONY STORIES :)
>
> >
> >
> > Geez, what happened to laughter? :)
> >
> > Joe
>
> Joe, the laughter is right here in my office when I read this:
>
> >"Brian Soderblom" wrote:
> >primary fuel pump. However, he told me that he checked the in-tank
> fuel
> >pump which is not monitored by the computer and it is dead, which he
> says
> >would cause my loss-of-fuel type problem. He also told me that Ford
> >changed
> >the fuel delivery system shortly after this model. So:
>
> after reading this:
>
> At 08:03 AM 2/26/98 -0800, you wrote:
> >David Centrone wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm trying to locate a part for for my ford f-150's fuel tank
> ignition
> >> system; can you help?
> >
> >Sure, call Mr. Goodwrench. I hear they know all about fuel tank
> >ignitors!
> >(but they stole the design from the Pinto) :-)
> >
> >Bill
>
> Dave "Gigglin myself into a coughing fit" McDonald
>
> P.S.
> Anyone know where I can find a drive shaft filter element for a '90
> F250?
> I punched a hole in mine with the u-joint dipstick. (That's what I get
> for
> puttin the reverse shackles on that dang yoke).
>
[Conway, Chuck]

That filter element comes as part of a drive train maintenance
kit from your dealer. The kit also includes:

-a replacement schraeder valve stem for your ring &
pinion assembly
-a larger primary jet to improve the gear oil mixture in
the rear axle
-instructions on how to advance the timing on the
transmission output shaft for improved mileage.

Someone oughta keep a copy of this stuff and write a "Ford Truck
Maintenance for Dummies" book.


Chuck "I need a new phase angle regulator for my tailgate latch"
Conway

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:05:44 EST
From: JSC721
Subject: Re: OK...MORE PHONY STORIES :)

i know its pretty funny, but some of the new guys will get confused and think
we are a bunch of retards. its cool i just dont want to get the communications
crossed when truoblshooting problems thats all.

joe

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:19:52 -0800
From: David McDonald
Subject: Re: OK...MORE PHONY STORIES :)

JSC721 wrote:
>
> i know its pretty funny, but some of the new guys will get confused and think
> we are a bunch of retards. its cool i just dont want to get the communications
> crossed when truoblshooting problems thats all.
>
> joeJoe....
It is funny, If the new guys go look for blinker fluid, they'll be
red in the face like I was when I was 12 and my Dad told me to check the
antifreeze level on our VW Bug. If they think we're 'retards' it's an SEP
(Sombody Else's Problem).

Dave "still lookin for the Bug radiator" McDonald

P.S. :)

If I re-adjust the valve lash on my pitman arm, what effect will it
have on the vacuum sensor in the steering knuckles? I'd hate to get stuck in
a full left hand turn at highway speeds...

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:26:46 -0800
From: David McDonald
Subject: Re: OK...MORE PHONY STORIES :)

CONWAY pjm.com wrote:

> -instructions on how to advance the timing on the
> transmission output shaft for improved mileage.
>
> Chuck "I need a new phase angle regulator for my tailgate latch"
> Conway
> KEWL!!!!!!
I was lookin for ways to improve my mileage, and I hadn't though
of this'n... But I'm confused... If I adjust the timing on my output
shaft, won't it throw my ABS outta sync enough that it'll cause my truck
to spell out 'Maintenance Required' in Morse code skid marks on I-70?

Dave "whiplash warning code" McDonald

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 14:39:11 -0600
From: "John M. Randall"
Subject: Re: OK...MORE PHONY STORIES :)

>Dave "still lookin for the Bug radiator" McDonald
>
>P.S. :)
>
>If I re-adjust the valve lash on my pitman arm, what effect will it
>have on the vacuum sensor in the steering knuckles? I'd hate to get stuck in
>a full left hand turn at highway speeds...
\

Dave,

If you fall down you might be in for total hip replacement, I'd leave the
knuckles at a lower vacuum!

John

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 14:24:26 -0800
From: Paul Laughlin
Subject: Re: OK...MORE PHONY STORIES :)

John M. Randall wrote:
>
> >If I re-adjust the valve lash on my pitman arm, what effect will it
> >have on the vacuum sensor in the steering knuckles? I'd hate to get
> stuck in a full left hand turn at highway speeds...

If the sydophyte coincides with the satelodge, then the rattaset should
kick in and you should have no problem.
Paul in Portland OR

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:11:15 -0800
From: "Leo Mosley"
Subject: Tran Cooler Routing

I can offer a bit of info I found in a library book (I think it was an RV owners
guide, but sorry I can't recall the name). It stated the following regarding
location and cooling capacity, based on installing the cooler in series with the
rad cooler:
- - in front of rad and A/C condenser, 100%
- - between A/C condenser and rad, 75%
- - behind rad, 60%
The article went on to say that if you by-pass the rad cooler, you should select
an aux cooler "two sizes" larger based on combined vehicle/load weight.
I gather all of the above came from Hayden Inc.

>From my own experience, I did run a cooler by-passed on a car I had several
years ago, as I found that the engine ran hot when pulling a travel trailer. I
thought that if I could remove some of the heat load from the trans, it might
help. I'm not sure whether this really made much difference, although I'm
convinced the trans cooler did protect my transmission.

I left the cooler hooked up this way into the next winter, but I found that as
the weather got colder, the transmission was not shifting well. I then put the
rad cooler back in series, and everything worked fine. I suspect that in this
case the rad coolant serves to warm the transmission fluid.

Hope this helps!
Leo

From: JSC721
Subject: tran cooler routing
lets get some opinions here, i have installed many transmission coolers on
alot of vehicles and they all worked well. but which is the best way to run
the hoses, i use the tranny cooler and the radiatior cooler also. for double
cooling. but my friend works for the city and operates big trucks and he tells
me that they dont use the radiator, just the tranny cooler. and they all have
temp gauges. he says that they do it this way because if the radiator
overheats so will the tranny.
what do you the members think about this idea???????

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:58:44 -0700
From: Gary Gadwa
Subject: Re:Flex Fans ???

Late Model Fords with Serpentine Belts and ordinary Flex
Fans don't mix. Ford water pumps turn the wrong way----So
I've been told!!! Flex Fans are a good idea for saving
power and for reducing wear and tear on water pumps.
So does anyone know if anybody makes FLEX FANS for late
model FORDS???

Gary Gadwa
1990 F250HD SuperCab 351 modified.
1996 Explorer
1931 Model "A" Victoria


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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 18:38:28 -0600
From: "Jram"
Subject: Re: Black Smoke and MAP Sensors

I have seen a few MAP sensors go bad and cause idling and black smoke
concerns and still not set a code. They are kind of expensive so if you can
talk a FOrd dealer into it they can test a Map sensor with three different
kinds of tests on their SBDS Computer. (if they haven't lost the tester
hookups by now.) Later. Jram

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:53:11 -0800
From: Danny Gaudenti
Subject: Re:Flex Fans ???

>=A0=A0=A0 So does anyone know if anybody makes FLEX FANS for late
>model FORDS???
>
>Gary Gadwa
>1990 F250HD SuperCab 351 modified.
>1996 Explorer
>1931 Model "A" Victoria

Flex-a-lite has "A fan just for serpentine belt drives". I'm looking in a
Summit catalog. Their part number is FLX-1519 for the 19" and costs $40.69

Danny

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 22:44:47 EST
From: JSC721
Subject: Re: Flex Fans ???

hey, im renegging on what i told everybody about flex fans, i just had one on
my 89 f-250, i did notice a big difference in power it was great. but it did
not cool my truck like my other fan, and on a truck (which usually tows
trailers ) its not a good idea to install one. i sent mine back to autozone
tonight. ive lost the responsive power that the flex fan gave me. but i live
in florida, and tow a heavy trailer for work. i need my truck to keep a cool
head. so keeping my engine cool outweighs having a better pick up. im sure it
will be great on a performance car, but not a heavy duty work truck. good
luck.

joe

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 22:46:58 EST
From: JSC721
Subject: Re: Black Smoke and MAP Sensors

hey thanks man, i was at autozone and the guy told me that they test map
sensors so i will go there, but i get a mechanics discount at napa. i have to
see if napa will test it for me. thanks for the info.
joe

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 22:50:19 EST
From: JSC721
Subject: Re: Tran Cooler Routing

hey thanks leo,
i have installed transmission coolers with the radiator on many vehicles
including stretch limousines and i never had a problem, i guess i will just....


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