fordtrucks80up-digest Friday, February 27 1998 Volume 02 : Number 076



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In this issue:

OK NOMORE PHONY STORIES [JSC721 ]
Re: "Be afraid. Be very afraid..." [Lehmandp ]
tran cooler routing [JSC721 ]
Update on my Jacobs ign system ["Bridgtap" ]
Re: tran cooler routing [Randy ]
Re: Align crank/converter tip [Randy ]
Re: Exhaust [Randy ]
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V2 #72 [Randy ]
Re: exhaust restrictions [Randy ]
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V2 #72 [JSC721 ]
Re: tran cooler routing [JSC721 ]
Re: Update on my Jacobs ign system [JSC721 ]
black smoke from tailpipe [JSC721 ]
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V2 #75 [Bill Funk ]
in-tank fuel pump on 89 Bronco? ["Brian Soderblom"
Re: black smoke from tailpipe [FSTFORDS ]
Fw: Hand Support ["jlohse" ]
Re: black smoke from tailpipe [JSC721 ]

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 20:12:40 EST
From: JSC721
Subject: OK NOMORE PHONY STORIES

Ok, back to business, lets stop confusing the new members to the club and
troubleshoot the real problems. fun is fun , and enough is enough.

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 21:19:33 EST
From: Lehmandp
Subject: Re: "Be afraid. Be very afraid..."

In a message dated 98-02-25 10:49:08 EST, you write:

> Thanks for the tips! However, I don't think I was very clear on my actual
> question. Is it true that Ford has made changes to the E4OD and the latest
> E4OD's are considered a reliable tranny? If so, when were these changes
> implemented? Bonus: Do those changes (if they exist) apply to my 97 E4OD?
>
> Thanks again!
> Chad
>

I've heard that they implemented many changes throughout the course of
introduction until '95. However, take the advice for an upgraded trans
cooler. I've heard that the integraded tubing in the factory radiator causes
problems after 100k miles.

- -David :-)

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 20:34:53 EST
From: JSC721
Subject: tran cooler routing

lets get some opinions here, i have installed many transmission coolers on
alot of vehicles and they all worked well. but which is the best way to run
the hoses, i use the tranny cooler and the radiatior cooler also. for double
cooling. but my friend works for the city and operates big trucks and he tells
me that they dont use the radiator, just the tranny cooler. and they all have
temp gauges. he says that they do it this way because if the radiator
overheats so will the tranny.
what do you the members think about this idea???????

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 21:11:48 -0600
From: "Bridgtap"
Subject: Update on my Jacobs ign system

For those interested
To update on my Jacobs omni-magnum ignition,I have installed on my 89
F150,with all stock running gear,original tfi ignition and fuel injection
351W auto,Truck is extended cab,short bed,fiber glass bed cover,97,000
miles,all sensors replaced.After I installed the Jacob's I have now run two
mileage checks most all in town,1st tank ran a little under 10 mpg,not as
good as it was doing before,but Jacob's said in there tech notes to run new
copper core plugs(I had Bosch Plat,in it) I changed out to Auto Lite
standard regaped to 56(sorry Joe had plugs before I checked my E-Mail).When
I changed plugs found Melted Straw like plastic line going to bottom of
canaster on right side of engine hooked up to smog pump,that had a small
leak in it.I also noticed slight spark knock with hood up after I restarted
engine.Jacob's said this was possible,retard timing 2 to 3 deg.to about 13
btdc.Knock quit ,engine smoothed out more and last gas run was just a little
over 12mpg all town,about a mile per gal better than before I started.The
truck runs better with the Jacob's in line and my understanding is the
system will improve with more running time.I am interested in the msd6 that
was listed if this was Dist and all,and Joe I will be interested in your exh
mod.and what it cost,Shops here in TX quoted me with replacing cat That they
can do as far as law goes,if new cat is approved.After I get some road
miles on system I will update on Mph


John K

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 23:17:04 -0800
From: Randy
Subject: Re: tran cooler routing

Well, it depends. If your tranny cooler is kind of on the small side,
it wouldn't be a bad idea to still use the radiator end cap as well.
If you run a big cooler, then you can bypass the radiator, but if you
get too big, you'll be robbing the radiator of some of the air due to
the size of the tranny cooler, so it's best to find a good
compromise. My factory cooler is kind of small, but it uses the
radiator as well.
You asked for an opinion and for better or worse, there it is....
Randy
p.s. how'd the exhaust work go?

JSC721 wrote:
>
> lets get some opinions here, i have installed many transmission coolers on
> alot of vehicles and they all worked well. but which is the best way to run
> the hoses, i use the tranny cooler and the radiatior cooler also. for double
> cooling. but my friend works for the city and operates big trucks and he tells
> me that they dont use the radiator, just the tranny cooler. and they all have
> temp gauges. he says that they do it this way because if the radiator
> overheats so will the tranny.
> what do you the members think about this idea???????

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 23:26:41 -0800
From: Randy
Subject: Re: Align crank/converter tip

Beaman, James wrote:
>
> David Anderson wrote in part:
>
[snip]
> I got lucky the first time I drained mine and only
> had to bump the engine a couple of times and
> it lined up perfectly. Once you get it lined up, it
[snip]
> James Beaman
> james.beaman lmco.com
> Houston, Texas
Just a tip here when trying to align the engine. If you need to align
the crankshaft or torque converter as mentioned above for any reason,
like changing fluid, or making it easier to swap out a distributor or
whatever other reason, this may help a little. Most car and truck
engines (every single one I've ever worked on for sure) can be turned
by HAND w/o removing plugs or anything like that. If you are already
under the truck (which you would be in the previous circumstance) you
can turn the crankshaft by using the pulley on the front. You can do
this from up above, but us guys w/big hands and arms have a pretty
tough time reaching all the way down there w/all the crap on the front
of most engines. As long as you can get a good grip on the pulley you
can turn it Albeit w/a fair amount of force, but not excessive. This
is great when you have the crank close to where you want it and are
afraid you may 'bump' it too far w/the starter. That's all...hope it
helped somebody anyway
Randy

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 23:29:01 -0800
From: Randy
Subject: Re: Exhaust

Sorry John I don't know much about your engine, but when building for
low end torque it is usually plenty suffecient for towing on highway
too. I think the lowest upper rpm I've seen in the peak torque range
for most engines is 4500 rpm, so the motor has plenty of low-end
torque, but it's not like it disappears after 1500 rpm or anything.
Randy

John Cassis wrote:
>
> I here alot of you guys talking about exhaust set-ups for better low-end. But what would you do to have a better exhaust system for torque on the highway while towing? I have a 93' Ranger 4x4 3.0 with the 5-speed.
>
> John Cassis
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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 23:32:07 -0800
From: Randy
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V2 #72

JSC,
you must love that flex fan of yours. I had one on that Camaro I
mentioned yesterday, but have never had one on a truck. Have you
towed a 3000 lb or better trailer on a hot summer day w/that fan yet?
If you have, or have done something similar, let me know how it did in
the temp department. Or how does it do sitting at idle for 20 mins on
a hot summer day. These are concerns I would have about a flex fan,
so let me know and I'll consider getting one....
Thanks
Randy

JSC721 aol.com wrote:
>
> hey dan, thanks for the reply, i think i will change out my 02 sensor, and by
> the way i installed a flex fan, its the best thing i ever did, my engine feels
> like i just lifted a couple of cinderblocks off it, my throttle response is
> super, she snaps into action , and its helped out with the fuel economy but
> i dont have the exact figures yet, boy what a difference. well thanks for the
> info dan, let me know how your probe does.
>
> jsc721

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 23:37:21 -0800
From: Randy
Subject: Re: exhaust restrictions

No problem Joe, not a whiz, but use math alot for sure, but thanks for
the complement anyway. Just be sure to let me know how you like that
new system. By the way about that bill, let's see now at oh say
$25/hour it took me about....about 4 hours, yeah, that's it four hours
to compute the areas of some circles and ah, yeah so about a hundred
bucks should do it......hehehe. Oh and remind me to never ask a
question on here to which I do not know the answer, cuz I don't want
ppl telling me I should change my blinker fluid...geez...how was that
guy supposed to know......no flames, I know it was all in good fun, I
mean I did laugh....especially on Martins fuel tank ignition reply
about Ch*vy's.
Take care,
Randy

JSC721 aol.com wrote:
>
> hey randy, this is joe that posted that message, and you sound like a
> mathamatical whiz, thats great, i appreciate the figures, i was driving with
> my buddy today and he has a 89 f-250 xtended cab and he said that, but hes
> not so smart anyway and cant count so good. i thought the way i was figuring
> the dual 2" pipes were wrong. well thanks again randy, just send me the bill.
> now when i go to that shop in the morning i will have piece of mind. cool. i
> will let you know how much power my big truck will have. see ya.
>
> joe/jsc721

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 22:56:24 EST
From: JSC721
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V2 #72

yeah randy, you know something, i was idling outside the supermarket, waiting
for my wife and it was hot so i put the ac on, and it looked like the
tempeture was a little higher that the reg fan, so i did not get that
concerned about it. why , did you hear that they dont keep the engine cool. it
says that it flows more air than the reg fan. i cant have that, i live in
florida and i will be pulling and work trailer of about 5000 lbs and i need
that truck to stay as cool as a cucumber, ( i have a new radiator, water pump,
thermostat and hoses, i totally restored the cooling system on that truck.
let me know. thanks man.

joe

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 23:10:56 EST
From: JSC721
Subject: Re: tran cooler routing

well i had alot of problems with the shop but i made them do what they
promised, i went to the shop this morning and the guy that quoated me 130.00
for a flowmaster and a 2.5 or 3" pipe my choice, so i get there and his boss
puts my truck up on the lift and tells me, that the 2 engine pipes go into a
2 1/4 " pipe right into the front of the cat, then into the orig ford muffler
and out the dual tails, he says theres a restriction at the front of the cat
where they joined the 2 engine pipes into 1. so he wanted to give me dual
exhaust at 500 bucks. 2 new cats, 2 flowmasters and 2 1/pipes, so i said no
way and told him i wanted the flow with the 3" tailpipe , i fought like a
bastard to get them to give me the 3" pipe but they did it. they are wise
guys.so anyway its sounds like a monster and i have more power, but for some
reason i dont think i have the same responsive pick up that i had before, but
when i get on it a little she flys. hey im happy with it, it sounds nice not
loud but bassie.like a deep mellow tone.

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 23:22:10 EST
From: JSC721
Subject: Re: Update on my Jacobs ign system

hey john, i live in clearwater florida, and i had a flowmaster muffler from
the cat back, and a 3" single tailpipe installed for 130 bucks. it was not
mandrel bent though, so i lost a little inside diameter on the bends, but its
a big difference, it sounds like a deep mellow sound like a truck should be,
and not loud. i get more power but i feel my start off response was not as
quick as before, but just a little im really not too sure yet i havent driven
too much with the new system yet, but it runs and idles alot smoother than
before. it was worth 130. bucks , but before you go out and spend 250. bucks
on these advertised mail order systems , go to your local muffler shop. not
too many shops bend 3" pipe around here. i shopped around for the best price,
and i got it.good luck. what are your views on your ignition? was it worth
the money or not? keep me posted.

joe

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 23:37:43 EST
From: JSC721
Subject: black smoke from tailpipe

i have a 89 f-250 351w i just got a new exhaust system but my old tailpipes
were full of black soot, when i start it up, or when i get on it while driving
i see a little black smoke. it idles great but not perfect, i changed, wires,
plugs autolites, cap, rotor,dis shaft stator, air cleaner, fuel filter, had
ford clean throttle body, combustion chambers ,fuel injectors, and i use fuel
injector cleaner in my fuel also. vacum lines replaced, ford told me i need
a tune up, they are just guessing also i did the timing,it seems like the
truck is loading up. no codes come up at all, whats left 02 sensor, map sensor
but no codes, when i rev it up and it starts to come down i feel a little
vibration in the steering wheel, and its not the torque convertor because i
covered that also, well im just out of patience and ideas, i dont want to
live with it, I WANT TO FIX IT. any ideas are welcome. thanks fellas.

joe
p.s. also replaced intake gaskets,valve cover gaskets(boy that was fun) and
that overhead gasket

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 22:40:28 -0700
From: Bill Funk
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V2 #75

> From: Ken Justice
> Subject: Re: Tire chains for 4WD
>
> Greetings from sunny Arizona!
> What are tire chains?
> Ken Justice

If you were in Flagstaff, you'd know!!

Bill

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 23:08:10 -0700
From: "Brian Soderblom"
Subject: in-tank fuel pump on 89 Bronco?

My 89 Bronco is currently in the shop after dying (sputtering to a stop,
actually) on the freeway. The mechanic has told me that he checked the
computer diagnostics with no resulting problems, thus he has ruled out the
primary fuel pump. However, he told me that he checked the in-tank fuel
pump which is not monitored by the computer and it is dead, which he says
would cause my loss-of-fuel type problem. He also told me that Ford changed
the fuel delivery system shortly after this model. So:

1.) Is this a reasonable diagnosis of the problem, knowing only the above?

2.) What did Ford change, and is it possible/reasonable to consider changing
my system, plus how much would that cost (perhaps pulling parts from a
junker F-150 or Bronco?)

3.) The cost for repair is $160 for parts and $100 or so for labor. Is this
reasonable?

Thanks...

- --
Brian Soderblom
brian.soderblom worldnet.att.net
(303) 903-3346 ICQ# 4603281

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 01:16:28 EST
From: FSTFORDS
Subject: Re: black smoke from tailpipe

CHANGE THE MAP SENSOR!!!

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 23:09:16 -0800
From: "jlohse"
Subject: Fw: Hand Support

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