fordtrucks80up-digest Wednesday, February 18 1998 Volume 02 : Number 063



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In this issue:

Re: Vibration on Highway ["Brian D. Barnhart" ]
Sway Bars [John Cassis ]
Autobody/repair in Spokane, WA? [Nathaniel Ingersoll
Re: Mechanic in Denver Metro area? [peakbzsrvc juno.com (Mike Mueller)]
Re: Sway Bars [ACMERCG aol.com]
98 Ranger [John Cassis ]
Re: Mechanic in Denver Metro area? [peakbzsrvc juno.com (Mike Mueller)]
Re: my splash? [KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)]
Re: 98 Ranger [Macormick aol.com]
Tire Recommendation: 92 F250 [CONWAY pjm.com]
Ranger Lift [John Cassis ]
Re: ALLDATA Service Manuals [ACMERCG aol.com]
Gas Starvation [Christopher Smith ]
RE: Gas Starvation [Mike Marcum ]
Re: Gas Starvation [JSC721 aol.com]
Re: Mechanic in Denver Metro area? [Gary Callahan ]
7.3 L diesel ["David Krasko" ]
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V2 #62 [PAULLIBBY1 aol.com]
Re: 7.3 L diesel [zeb utalk.org (Lamar Zabielski)]
Re: Mechanic in Denver Metro area? [zeb utalk.org (Lamar Zabielski)]
Re: oil pressure, radio, ig switch ["Jram" ]
new installed jacobs ign ["Bridgtap" ]
Re: new installed jacobs ign [JSC721 aol.com]
Re: Tire Recommendation: 92 F250 [FSTFORDS aol.com]
1998 expedition chip for trans,motor [JEFF WHITE/PA

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:29:16 -0600
From: "Brian D. Barnhart"
Subject: Re: Vibration on Highway

I have a tach and it is about 2000 RPM. This only happens on the
highway. If I rev it up while in netual I don't get any vibration.
It's a 4x4, I don't know the exact gear ratio but it was geared for
typical driving. Miles, about 53,000. I'll try the U-Joint.

Thanks to Randy, David J. Baldwin and Dave for your help.

Brian

Randy wrote:


> Brian, do you know what gearing you have int he rear end? Do you have
>
> a tach? What RPM range is this happening on the engine? Hehe,
> answering a question w/so far...more questions. What Tranny do you
> have? Lastly, how many miles? .......

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:17:45 -0600
From: John Cassis
Subject: Sway Bars

There is one other solution to the body roll, may not be what you want =
but here it is. On my old 92' regular cab, short bed ranger I had the =
same problem. I put a set of Kelly Safari AWR 28"x8.5"x14" tires on and =
it took all of the body roll out. I know Bridgestone makes desert =
duellers the same size and I think BF Goodrich makes all terains in the =
smaller 14" rim size. But I think due to the thicker side walls on the =
all terain type tires it takes the body roll out of it. Anyway hope this =
might help a bit, it worked for me.=20

John Cassis
93' STX 4x4 3.0/5-speed

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:20:31 -0800
From: Nathaniel Ingersoll
Subject: Autobody/repair in Spokane, WA?

Greetings all.

My '97 F350 helped humanity in generall by sacrificing its front quarter
panels, radiator and bumper in the cause against drunk drivers.
However, this sacrifice is not without some aggravation to me,
especially due to the fact that I am new to this area - so can anyone
suggest somewhere to make my beast new again?

Thanks,

N. Ingersoll

ps - no injuries all around, I only hit her (she was coming out of a
"lounge" restaraunt parking lot) at about 20mph... but I doubt that that
Dodge Caravan will be moving again, even if it ever gets out of the
impound lot...

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:16:13 EST
From: peakbzsrvc juno.com (Mike Mueller)
Subject: Re: Mechanic in Denver Metro area?

Thanks Randy!
I'll pass this along to her. I was hoping for someone other than the
Ford dealer, although sometimes I know that is the best place to go. My
first choice would be an independent outside Mechanic. It's easy to find
the dealer using Fords website and dealer locater.

I think the problem sounds like an electrical gremlin to me only because
Brake vacuum (or anything brake) isn't connected to oil pressure except
by the electrical system. Correct me if I'm wrong, please.

I have a bad ecu in my truck (89 F150 5.8) that makes the check engine
lite come on under acceleration at nite. Ford ran a diagnostic and it
came up as exactly that and nothing more.

Thanks for the post, it is greatly appreciated!
Mikey





>Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 21:09:39 -0800
>From: Randy
>Subject: Re: Mechanic in Denver Metro area?

>Mike, don't know of anyone in Denver area, but my buddy used to live
there and he said his dad was at two different Ford dealerships in
Denver, one screwed him, the other fixed the problem. He says it's
(the good one) at Havanna and Alameda in Aurora, but he can't remember
the name, but she can check it out. Although 14 psi sounds low, as a
rule of thumb you only need 10 psi per 1,000 rpm of the motor. So,
figuring even a high idle of 1,000 rpm, 10 psi would suffice. The psi
dropping with the brake pedal makes me believe that it's due to the
vacuum pressure. The master cylinder is drawing vacuum pressure from
the manifold, but I cannot explain why that would affect the gauge,
sorry.
Later,
Randy

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:35:05 EST
From: ACMERCG aol.com
Subject: Re: Sway Bars

When I switched from Michelin to bridgestone tires there was a HUGE
diffrence in the handling of my 92 F-150. The Bridgestones are much more
loose on the highway and I notice more body roll than before. On the other
hand, the Bridgestones are far superior off road than the Michelins. Much
better traction in mud and snow. The BFG's are next for this summer.

Hope this helps,

Joe

acmercg aol.com

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:35:08 -0600
From: John Cassis
Subject: 98 Ranger

Josh,

Thanks for all the info. I know you get pounded with questions here due =
to your imense knowledge on the subject and you availability of info you =
dont know. Thanks for the time and info.

John Cassis
93' STX 4x4 3.0/5-speed

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:16:13 EST
From: peakbzsrvc juno.com (Mike Mueller)
Subject: Re: Mechanic in Denver Metro area?

David-
Thanks for the quick response and please do check around for me. My
worry would be that for her to drive there and do damage to the main and
rod bearings, assuming it is the problem. If you do come up with a good
mechanic, cc me if you please, I am on digest mode but need the info
ASAP. Any body else go any ideas?
TIA

Mikey

>Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:26:15 -0800
>From: David McDonald
>Subject: Re: Mechanic in Denver Metro area?

>I'm not sure of a good mechanic here in Denver, but I can give one shop
name to avoid like the plauge: AutoTek on Arapahoe Rd. Guys did a
diagnostic on my '90 F250 that was having ignition switch problems, and
estimated $300. I tore it apart myself, and all it needed was a dab of
grease on the actuator rod... Freakin rip off artists... I'll check with
a couple o friends around here for ya.

Whenever I've got problems that I don't want to tear into myself, I take
the problem down to Pueblo (2 hrs south o Denver, it's my hometown)
where a friend of a friend does excellent work for good prices. I have
had some good luck at Burt Ford on Arapahoe road. Never had em do any
work for me, but the service department sure has a great attitude about
people running in asking questions and needing to look at the service
manual library they have. It's how I found out that to pull the
alternator on a '89 Ford Probe, you have to remove the cat to get the
thang out! :)

Dave McDonald
dxmcdon uswest.com

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:51:32, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: Re: my splash?

No, I don't have a Splash, but your salesman is jerking you around
because they are available for '98.
Josh

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:20:32 EST
From: Macormick aol.com
Subject: Re: 98 Ranger

I've talked to you about lifting my Ranger before. I couldn't decide what to
do but I've finally put the coil spring expanders in the front coils. It gave
it enough lift to help the leveling out. The only problem is when i put them
in my tires tilt out on the top. I guess that would be considered positive
camber. I know you lifted the front of yours how did you correct the
problem. I was going to take it to my Ford dealer once I got them in to see
if they can fix it.



Matt

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:52:35 -0500
From: CONWAY pjm.com
Subject: Tire Recommendation: 92 F250

Looks to me like it is time for a new set of tires for my 92
F250 4x4 (they're bald). It currently has Uniroyal Laredos on it
(bought by previous owner). I'm wondering if there's a better choice
available. I use my pickup for daily around town commuting (unloaded)
and also for towing my Jeep long distances to my Jeep club's trail
rides.

I've always used BFG ATs and MTs on previous 4x4's, but I'm
thinking that the AT tread is probably too aggressive, considering I
plan on mostly road/highway driving, and not using the F250 for much
"real" off-road work.

I think my requirements are:
- long life
- good highway performance (quiet - easy rolling)
- good rain performance
- good snow performance

Suggestions on what works well, and what to avoid would be
great....



Chuck Conway
'92 F250HD XLT Supercab 4x4
'93 Explorer
'85 Jeep CJ-7

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:46:15 -0600
From: John Cassis
Subject: Ranger Lift

Matt,

I dont know if they make the correct ones for the spring extpanders but =
with the knew sprigs I installed (2 1/2" taller) I was able to purchase =
new camber bushings that compensate for the taller springs. Look in some =
4x4 mags and see what they offer. You could also try a 4x4 shop. They do =
more lifts to 2 wheel drives than you would think. They might be able to =
help you with this. But that is what you will need to properly align =
your tires. If not you will wear the edges out on your tires. I did the =
same thing to my 92 2 wheel drive ranger and thats how the tires wore on =
it as a result. Its worth the money to buy taller springs, camber =
bushings, and new front shocks if you plan on keeping the truck for a =
while. If not you will be wearing edges of your front tires out. Anyway =
hope this helps.

John Cassis
93' STX 4x4 3.0/5-speed

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:23:48 EST
From: ACMERCG aol.com
Subject: Re: ALLDATA Service Manuals

In a message dated 98-02-17 01:56:27 EST, you write:


the only real service info in it was some information on changing the
brakes. Otherwise, it waw useless. Almost a completely blank disc.
>>
Thats too bad, it would seem to be a good idea if they told you something. I
used the Alldata system when I was in tech school and it was very useful and I
would buy a specific for my 92 F-150...has anyone else bought one, maybe for a
Ford truck?

Joe

Acmercg aol.com

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:24:00 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Smith
Subject: Gas Starvation

Hey yall. If you could help me out on this one it would be much
appreciated. I have a 85 F250 4x4 with a 351 4bbl. This past week it
started missing at high engine speeds, like when going 60 on the highway
and when you give it the gas and open up the secondaries. I have checked
all I know to and cannot find any reason it wont get fuel except the carb.
I am almost positive it is missing from lack of gas cause it doesn't miss
on just certain cylinders. It just falls flat on its face when it doesn't
get gas. I checked the fuel filter going into the float bowl on the
carburator, and even went so far as to put a knew fuel pump on it. Has
anyone else experienced this and if you have any suggestions thanks in
advance.
Chris Smith
Purdue University, IN

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:51:21 -0800
From: Mike Marcum
Subject: RE: Gas Starvation

Chris,

I had a 1990 F-250 with FI 302, and it exhibited similar characteristics
due to a partly clogged in-line fuel filter (located on the frame, near
the fuel tanks). It acted like a rev-limiter under load. For example,
driving down the road, in any gear, it would run fine up to 2500 rpm,
then it would not rev any higher. Sitting idle, it would rev up just
fine past 2500rpm. I thought it was electrical, but low and behold, it
was a $5.00 filter causing the problem.

I now have an '86 F-250 with a 351W 4bbl., and have not run into fuel
filter problems (yet :). Unfortunately, I have not climbed under the
rig to notice if it has a large in-line filter, similar to my '90. If
yours has one, it would be a good idea to replace it.

Good luck.

ps. what is the gear ratio in your truck? How do you like the
performance of those gears? I have 4:10's and it responds well, but my
fuel mileage is terrible, I was thinking about changine to 3:55.

- - Mike


> -----Original Message-----
> From:Christopher Smith [SMTP:csmith60 expert.cc.purdue.edu]
> Sent:Tuesday, February 17, 1998 2:24 PM
> To:fordtrucks80up ListService.net
> Cc:fordtrucks80up-digest ListService.net
> Subject:Gas Starvation
>
> Hey yall. If you could help me out on this one it would be much
> appreciated. I have a 85 F250 4x4 with a 351 4bbl. This past week it
> started missing at high engine speeds, like when going 60 on the
> highway
> and when you give it the gas and open up the secondaries. I have
> checked
> all I know to and cannot find any reason it wont get fuel except the
> carb.
> I am almost positive it is missing from lack of gas cause it doesn't
> miss
> on just certain cylinders. It just falls flat on its face when it
> doesn't
> get gas. I checked the fuel filter going into the float bowl on the
> carburator, and even went so far as to put a knew fuel pump on it.
> Has
> anyone else experienced this and if you have any suggestions thanks in
> advance.
> Chris Smith
> Purdue University, IN
>
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 20:07:31 EST
From: JSC721 aol.com
Subject: Re: Gas Starvation

hey check and make sure your fuel lines going to the tank are clear. blow them
out with an air compressor, you might have to drop the tank and make sure
theres no crap in it, stopping fuel flow, its happened to me. also check your
fuel filters. good luck. if you replaced the pump, amd checked the filter, the
only thing left is the lines and the tank.

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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:21:34 -0800
From: Gary Callahan
Subject: Re: Mechanic in Denver Metro area?

fordtrucks80up-digest wrote:
>
> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 18:50:45 EST
> From: peakbzsrvc juno.com (Mike Mueller)
> Subject: Mechanic in Denver Metro area?
>
> Help!
> I need some quick help.
>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Have your friend take her Bronco to an independent (or a couple of them)
mechanic instead of a Ford dealer. Sometimes the Independents are
better at straight shooting.

Gary Callahan
callah hninc.com

'81 F-150 Custom 4x4

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:55:25 -0800
From: "David Krasko"
Subject: 7.3 L diesel

I am looking for the shop that sell oil filler caps that breathe for a 7.3
diesel

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:35:41 EST
From: PAULLIBBY1 aol.com
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V2 #62

In a message dated 98-02-17 05:59:45 EST, you write:


my '90 F150. I am mostly interested in the Technical Service Bulletins
that are included. Can anyone comment on the usefulness of ALLDATA's
product? Are the TSB's complete enough to be useful? Are TSB's
available anywhere else for free? This CD ROM will cost about $25.
Thanks - David >>

Any Ford dealers service department can. If they want to, give you copies
of all TSB's relating to your truck. Just ask them nice. Hint:
Talk to the Service Writer/Advisor

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:36:29 -0700 (MST)
From: zeb utalk.org (Lamar Zabielski)
Subject: Re: 7.3 L diesel

At 07:55 PM 2/17/98 -0800, fordtrucks80up ListService.net wrote:
>I am looking for the shop that sell oil filler caps that breathe for a 7.3
>diesel

Why do you want a breathing cap?

Blue smoking here, does it help that?

Zeb

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 20:02:35 -0700 (MST)
From: zeb utalk.org (Lamar Zabielski)
Subject: Re: Mechanic in Denver Metro area?

Mike,

I've had good work from Steve at Affordable Auto Work in Longmont, closer
than Pueblo . 303-772-1880

zeb

At 12:16 PM 2/17/98 EST, fordtrucks80up ListService.net wrote:
>David-
>Thanks for the quick response and please do check around for me. My
>worry would be that for her to drive there and do damage to the main and
>rod bearings, assuming it is the problem. If you do come up with a good
>mechanic, cc me if you please, I am on digest mode but need the info
>ASAP. Any body else go any ideas?
>TIA
>
>Mikey
>
>>Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:26:15 -0800
>>From: David McDonald
>>Subject: Re: Mechanic in Denver Metro area?
>
>>I'm not sure of a good mechanic here in Denver, but I can give one shop
>name to avoid like the plauge: AutoTek on Arapahoe Rd. Guys did a
>diagnostic on my '90 F250 that was having ignition switch problems, and
>estimated $300. I tore it apart myself, and all it needed was a dab of
>grease on the actuator rod... Freakin rip off artists... I'll check with
>a couple o friends around here for ya.
>
>Whenever I've got problems that I don't want to tear into myself, I take
>the problem down to Pueblo (2 hrs south o Denver, it's my hometown)
>where a friend of a friend does excellent work for good prices. I have
>had some good luck at Burt Ford on Arapahoe road. Never had em do any
>work for me, but the service department sure has a great attitude about
>people running in asking questions and needing to look at the service
>manual library they have. It's how I found out that to pull the
>alternator on a '89 Ford Probe, you have to remove the cat to get the
>thang out! :)
>
> Dave McDonald
> dxmcdon uswest.com
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:51:39 -0600
From: "Jram"
Subject: Re: oil pressure, radio, ig switch

Oil pressure, turned out that the engine had 75 psi at 2000rpm and the
sender was bad. Radio, I had the same problem and took apart the radio and
cleaned the volume knob with contact cleaner. Ignition switch, there is no
way to tell pre recall from post recall so buy a new one $5 max and install
it if you are worried.

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 22:08:40 -0600
From: "Bridgtap"
Subject: new installed jacobs ign

I am new to the group so let me explain my truck,It is a 89 F150 ext cab
w/351 w stock,auto,with 97000 miles on it has factory fuel injection,no
changes made,org equip exhaust,just a stock truck,I have replaced all the
sensors,and the truck runs great except for 11 miles to a gallon,up
hill,down hill,flat land,where ever.That what promped me to order and
install the jacobs.I just received the unit today Ordered it fri eve from
the plant in midland TX,I am located in Fort worth TX. The 20 minute install
was right after 2 hours of finding place under the hood to place it,hook up
was straight forward had to think a little,and it did fire right off after
install.I have not driven many miles tonight however it is shifting better
,Idle is smoother,and it does have more punch when I get on it and the
engine does feel stronger.now we will find out together what happens to that
11 miles a gallon.I will keep the group posted.

John Kissell bridgtap swbell.net

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:55:28 EST
From: JSC721 aol.com
Subject: Re: new installed jacobs ign

hey john,
i have a 89 f-250 351w and want to find out more info on the jacobs ign. and
how much you paid for it. would you please e-mail me at jsc721 aol.com
thanks,
joe....


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