fordtrucks80up-digest Monday, February 9 1998 Volume 02 : Number 054



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In this issue:

Re: 1999 F-SD info [Gary Callahan ]
radio works ["Casey Vandor" ]
RE: Makin HO out of a reg. lo output 351W ["Posluszny, Walt (posl)"
Air Intake and Bazooka Tube for Ranger [SNOOP22222 aol.com]
Intermittent Stalling [taffydog pacbell.net]
Re: 98' Truck & Correction - [jlester naxs.com (Jason Lester)]
re: 1999 SD info ["Union Auto" ]
Used Auto Parts Dealers [Dave Armbruster ]
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V2 #53 [BLURangr94 aol.com]
Empty Weight [johnmck juno.com (John R. McKee)]
Re: Used Auto Parts Dealers ["Ryan Penner" ]
[none] [Ken Payne ]
Re: 3.0 mileage "flaming"---enuff already! [Randy ]
Re: HP [Randy ]
302 hp? [ACMERCG aol.com]
Truck Weight [johnmck juno.com (John R. McKee)]
Re: radio works [Randy ]
Cleaning the top. [FPonzani aol.com]
Re: HP [dchez juno.com (David T Sanchez)]
Re: 351? ["Fast Ford" ]
Re: Which Exhaust? ["Fast Ford" ]
Re: HP [Randy ]
Re: Intermittent Stalling [bgap RAPIDNET.COM]
MSD Ignitions [FPonzani aol.com]

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Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 08:42:56 -0800
From: Gary Callahan
Subject: Re: 1999 F-SD info

> >
> > Has anyone else heard anything?????? Ford is now on my s #t list.
> > Please respond if you now why or anyother info.
> > Thanks
>
> Ford has delayed delivering your truck because they are having Quality
> Control problems, so they are on your s*%t list?
> What if they went ahead and delivered it, with defects they knew about.
> Would that make you love them?
> Or, did I miss something?
> Bill
>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
If Ford did that we could start calling them Microsoft

Gary
callah hninc.com

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Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 08:34:40 -0900
From: "Casey Vandor"
Subject: radio works

I looked for that batt or battery fuse slot, but I don't have one. I did
run a complete separate circuit for my radio though. A lot of time, two
and a half hours!, but the radio doesn't buzz anymore. What a releif,
thanks to all you people out there who kept up with the problem.
Casey

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Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 09:47:08 -0800
From: "Posluszny, Walt (posl)"
Subject: RE: Makin HO out of a reg. lo output 351W

Dave,

I have a 85 351W and I too have been interested in getting 210 hp out of
this engine, currently I think I'm getting about 145 or so. Lotsa
torque but no HP. Mine's a 2 barrel. Do you or anyone else out there
know what changes have to be made to the LoPo 351 W to make it into a
HiPo 351W? Could you be a specific as possible. Thanks

Walt


Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 18:41:34 -0800
From: dhollingworth juno.com
Subject: Re: HP

I checked my Chilton manual and it shows that the 1986 351HO was rated
at
210hp 4000 and 305ft.lbs. torque 2800. Is the 1987 motor the same
as
this? I have considered modifying my 1984 351W to HO specs, but I was
wondering what kind of gas mileage the HO gets?

Dave H
1984 Ford Bronco

On Thu, 05 Feb 1998 22:56:03 +0000 Jake
writes:
>I have been looking for the horsepower ratings for a stock 1987 HO
>351W. If anyone knows were I can find these or could tell me what it
>is
>I would be grateful.
>
>Thanks
>
>Jake Everly
>

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Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 12:58:24 EST
From: SNOOP22222 aol.com
Subject: Air Intake and Bazooka Tube for Ranger

Has anybody used intake for this truck....specifically the 2.3l. I'm thinking
about getting it but i've heard the performance gains are minimal. By intake
I mean replacing the stock pipes and adding a high flow cone air filter.
Also...has anybody used a 6.5" bazooka tube behind the seat in a standard cab
ranger? I was wondering how much seat travel you lose.

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Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 10:31:00 -0800
From: taffydog pacbell.net
Subject: Intermittent Stalling

I have a problem with a 1986 Ford 460 cu in V8. The engine is part of
an E350 chassis as part of a motorhome. After driving for a couple of
hours (or less). The engine begins to lose power and eventually stall.
If you wait 20 minutes or so, it restarts and runs normally. I did have
the fuel filters checked and replaced the one near the carburetor.

I would appreciate any ideas. Thanks

Rick

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Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 13:44:51 -0500
From: jlester naxs.com (Jason Lester)
Subject: Re: 98' Truck & Correction -

It takes a big hub tool that's available at most auto stores. You may even
be able to get them to let you borrow one. It looks kind of like a huge
socket with lugs on it to grip the nut.

Jason

> No one has responded about that huge nut that behind the cover to the
auto-locking hubs. >Whats the deal with it. Do you just use a big pair of
channel-locks or what? Any help >here on diss-assembly would be of help.
I'm going to try and grease my hubs and front >wheel bearings either this
weekend or next. I looked at doing it a while back and >could'nt figure out
how to get that huge nut off. Anyway thanks in advance for some help >here.

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Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 12:53:13 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: re: 1999 SD info

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All 1999 Super Duty's were held until Jan 23 for Quality control to =
sign off and say the production process was OK. Mine will be here any =
day as it is sitting 4 hours away waiting for a truck to ship the last =
few miles. (Trains are the big delay right now, until you have a rail =
car it's hard telling when you'll get a truck. Also the Super Duty's =
will not be for sale until Feb 20 anyway. So don't be in too big of a =
hurry. =20

Also Spec books just arrived on these trucks so now we have all the =
information everyone has been asking about for weeks.

Hope this helps.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc
Union, IA 50258
unionaut adiis.net


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Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 12:39:58 -0700
From: Dave Armbruster
Subject: Used Auto Parts Dealers

Anyone in the Denver metro area know of a good salavage yard, one that
might deal with a lot of Rangers or Explorers? I am looking for a wheel
for a '97 XLT Ranger, one of the 15x7 wheels that they used on '97 (and
'95-'96, I think) Rangers and some recent Explorers. I don't recall
exactly what they called the rims, but they came with the XLT package on
mine.

If anyone wishes to respond, you can so so privately if you want.

Dave
Arvada, CO

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Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 15:30:57 EST
From: BLURangr94 aol.com
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V2 #53

Bill is a jerk
---TODD

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Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 15:51:23 EST
From: johnmck juno.com (John R. McKee)
Subject: Empty Weight

What is the empty weight of my 97 F-150 XLT supercab, short wheelbase,
4.2L V-6, auto trans? The book only talks about max weights and limits.
Thank-you. John

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Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 14:17:46 -0700
From: "Ryan Penner"
Subject: Re: Used Auto Parts Dealers

- -----Original Message-----
From: Dave Armbruster
To: fordtrucks-small ListService.net
Cc: '80 and Up mailing list
Date: Sunday, February 08, 1998 12:49 PM
Subject: Used Auto Parts Dealers


>Anyone in the Denver metro area know of a good salavage yard, one that
>might deal with a lot of Rangers or Explorers? I am looking for a wheel
>for a '97 XLT Ranger, one of the 15x7 wheels that they used on '97 (and
>'95-'96, I think) Rangers and some recent Explorers. I don't recall
>exactly what they called the rims, but they came with the XLT package on
>mine.
>
>If anyone wishes to respond, you can so so privately if you want.
>
>Dave
>Arvada, CO
>
>
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On my way to work I pass a place called Truckford auto parts, (junkyard type
place) Anyways they are on 285 & Federal about. It seems to have some neet
parts. They seem to have older truck parts but you may want to call them, I
do not have their number.

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Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 17:10:02 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: [none]

Before a flame war starts our FAQ states:

"No brutal flaming allowed. Mild flames are a normal and usually
humorous part of Internet life. Again, use common sense here."

I'm just as guilty as anyone else of flamage, but I keep it on
the newsgroups. Let's try to keep the list focused on Ford trucks.

Ken "List Mom"

Note: The term "List Mom" is a common name given to list admins.
It refers to cub scout Den Mothers who must do 20 things at
once while trying to manage an impossible number of people.

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Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 20:36:39 -0800
From: Randy
Subject: Re: 3.0 mileage "flaming"---enuff already!

Chad Royse wrote:
>
> I agree your post had nothing to do with spam (?). Courtesy for who?

ok, ok, I think it's time to stop beating a dead horse here, Ken
booted this guy to stop this thread and others like it, let's leave it
alone now, please. I was thrilled to see I wouldn't be getting
anymore posts on this mileage thingymabob crap and here is
another....'stop the insanity...please!'
Randy

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Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 20:55:01 -0800
From: Randy
Subject: Re: HP

Thanks for that post.
After Jake asked about that I looked in my Haynes manual and could
not find any numbers for hp/torque of any motor at all. That kinda
ticks me off, I thought these Haynes were supposed to be all that, but
they can't even include something that simple (if I'm just not looking
in the right places, someone please let me know). It helps when you
want to do mods to your motor to know what you are starting with. As
for the '86-'87 motors, they should be the same. '87 was the last
year the 351W was carburated. I sure like that torque rating being in
the 300 range and under 3000 R's factory, that's not too bad. But, of
course, there's alwasy room for improvement :-}
Randy

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Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 20:05:20 EST
From: ACMERCG aol.com
Subject: 302 hp?

Anyone know the HP ratings for a 92 F-150? For a 92 Mustang?


Thanks,

Joe

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Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 21:33:28 EST
From: johnmck juno.com (John R. McKee)
Subject: Truck Weight

I asked about the weight of my truck because it's NOT listed on the door
jam sticker, all that's listed there is the GVWR(gross vehicle weight
rating) and GAWR(gross axle weight rating), neither of which is the empty
truck weight. I was hoping someone might have had their truck on a scale
someplace.

Thanks again,
John; 97 F-150 XLT,SC,4.2L,auto trans, short bed w/ bed liner.

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Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 22:52:42 -0800
From: Randy
Subject: Re: radio works

It's about d*mn time! hehe just kiddin'. I'm glad you finally got
the bugs worked outta that one. Let me suggest that the next time you
replace a factory stereo that you go down to your local RS store and
get an adapter wiring harness, since this should make everything alot
easier for about $10. Clean power from the battery.....[grunt]....now
that's POWER! Now just don't forget to turn that thing off at night
or we'll be hearing from you again about having to jump start the
truck or something, hehehe
later,
Randy

Casey Vandor wrote:
>
> I looked for that batt or battery fuse slot, but I don't have one. I did
> run a complete separate circuit for my radio though. A lot of time, two
> and a half hours!, but the radio doesn't buzz anymore. What a releif,
> thanks to all you people out there who kept up with the problem.
> Casey

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Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 21:56:40 EST
From: FPonzani aol.com
Subject: Cleaning the top.

My '91 Bronco has stains on the top from a black cherry tree dropping it's
fruit on it. The fiberglass top is tan. I don't want to ruin the finish.
What's the best way to clean it? Simple washing with soapy water is not quite
doing it. Thanks.

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Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 21:54:52 EST
From: dchez juno.com (David T Sanchez)
Subject: Re: HP

On Sat, 7 Feb 1998 18:41:34 -0800 dhollingworth juno.com writes:
>I checked my Chilton manual and it shows that the 1986 351HO was rated
>at 210hp 4000 and 305ft.lbs. torque 2800. Is the 1987 motor the
>same as this? I have considered modifying my 1984 351W to HO specs,
>but I was wondering what kind of gas mileage the HO gets?
>
>Dave H
>1984 Ford Bronco

Dave,

I have an 86 Bronco with the 351HO, C6 trans, 3.50 gearing, and 31"
tires. My mileage is usually around 11-12mpg in daily commuting, but has
gotten up to almost 15mpg on the highway while using cruise control. I'm
not sure what all the differences are between the non-HO and HO are,
besides the obvious use of the 4bbl carb on the HO version. I think the
HO may have also used a different cam. If you do convert to the 4bbl,
you might need to get the 4180 Holley carb from a junk yard HO motor in
order to pass emissions, since this carb is specially designed to run
lean and produce low emissions. If emissions testing is not required in
your area, then you will probably be better off with one of the new
600cfm Edelbrock carbs since you'll probably get better driveability.

Dave Sanchez
dchez juno.com

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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 18:12:15 -0600
From: "Fast Ford"
Subject: Re: 351?

I have a 351W in my Lightning and on the old valve covers it has a sticker
that says where the motor was made. It was made in Windsor, Ontario Canada.
So I assume that the Cleveland has a Cleveland Ohio sticker on it.
- -----Original Message-----
From: jccooper
To: fordtrucks80up ListService.net
Date: Wednesday, February 04, 1998 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: 351?


>----------
>> From: Jake
>> To: fordtrucks80up ListService.net
>> Subject: 351?
>> Date: Wednesday, February 04, 1998 8:29 AM
>>
>> I have a 1987 f-250 HD with a 351 in it and was wondering if there is
>> an easy way to tel if it is a Clevland or Winzar.
>>
>> Jake Everly
>>
>> +-------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1980 and Newer --------------+
>> | Send posts to fordtrucks80up listservice.net, |
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>
>I was told that the easy way was that on one the water jacket (where the
>thermostat is) is in the intake manifold on one and in the head on the
>other. I do not remember which is which though.
>
>That's my story and I'm stickin to it!!!
>
>JC down in Gnat Flats, Texas
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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 18:18:15 -0600
From: "Fast Ford"
Subject: Re: Which Exhaust?

For $200, you can get a 2-chamber Flowmaster muffler and have a good HP shop
make the pipe from CAT back. I run the Flowmaster on every car and truck I
have. With dumps, it has a nice deep throat sound.

When I pull my Lightning up next to those 454SS(Super Slow) and Ram
SS/T(Super Slow Too), they cringe from the sound of my 400HP through those
Flowmasters.
- -----Original Message-----
From: David McDonald
To: fordtrucks80up ListService.net
Date: Wednesday, February 04, 1998 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: Which Exhaust?


>
>
>David Chapman wrote:
>
>>
>
>
>
>> I'm looking to upgrade the exhaust on my 95 Bronco 302. A
>> horsepower/torque increase would be nice along with a good sound (not
>> quiet mind you, but the sound of power). I've seen cat back and other's
>> mentioned in the discussions, but I'm not familiar with them. Any
>> suggestions (I'd rather not spend a fortune)? Should I go the header
>> route at the same time?
>>
>> Thanks - Dave C.
>
>Hiya Dave,
>
> I just finished installing a Gibson cat back that I ordered from the
>Truck Performance Center for about $270. It comes with a muffler, two
pieces
>o pipe, all the hangers and clamps and a stainless tip. It's 3" pipe,
>mandrell bent, with a high flow muffler (I can see the 3" hole all the way
>thru the muffler :) The only PITA about it was pulling off the old exhaust
>(I used my cutting torch, a sawsall and alotta cuss words). The new one
went
>on without breaking a sweat, and while I've only run it in my driveway so
>far, It sounds great. nice mellow sound, a little louder than stock, but a
>lower tone.Actually backing the truck out of the garage to turn it around
>the lack of an air filter (in prep for a K&N) struck me as being louder
than
>the exhaust... sounds like it's tryin to suck the hood into the intake :)
>
>
> Dave MCDonald
> '90 F250HD 4x4 351 5 sp
> dxmcdon uswest.com
> (USWest should not be held responsible for my opinions)
>
>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 23:17:11 -0800
From: Randy
Subject: Re: HP

David T Sanchez wrote:
>
[snip]

I'm not sure what all the differences are between the non-HO and HO
are,
> besides the obvious use of the 4bbl carb on the HO version. I think the
> HO may have also used a different cam.

I've heard that some 351W's used roller lifters in them. Does anyone
know if this is true? If it is, does anyone know what years? My
Haynes manual does mention this, but not very specific about when.
Are they only in the HO motors? If so, this would be on more
difference along w/the cam...
Thanks,
Randy

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Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 21:26:54 -0600
From: bgap RAPIDNET.COM
Subject: Re: Intermittent Stalling

Have you checked for possible overheating of fuel lines? Possible vapor
lock. I have had four 460 Ford engines and have not had this problem,
but it has cropped up on several other vehicles, including one motorhome
with an international chassis. I re-routed the fuel line which was near
the right side exhaust manifold and this took care of the problem on
this unit

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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 04:22:07 EST
From: FPonzani aol.com
Subject: MSD Ignitions

I'm new to this stuff. My '91 351 Bronco is the first Ford I've ever owned,
as well as the first 4x4. I use mine as a daily driver, as well as for....


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