fordtrucks80up-digest Thursday, February 5 1998 Volume 02 : Number 048



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In this issue:

Ol' Doc Ford's Miracle Tonic ["Robert Stinnett ]
Re: 351? ["jccooper" ]
Re: 3.0 Gas Milage/apologie [JBien45204 aol.com]
Re: 351? ["Dave Resch"]
re: which msd? [Gary Spradley ]
Re: which msd? [David McDonald ]
Re: 3.0 Gas Milage [Midwest96 aol.com]
Re: 351? [bmrickman juno.com (brian k rickman)]
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V2 #45 [Midwest96 aol.com]
RE: 351? ["Jason M. Lester" ]
Re: '91 Big Bronco - Takes forever to fill. [Midwest96 aol.com]
be thankful it's only $30.00 ["Casey Vandor"
Best Investment I've seen in Years [Tom and Amanda Lang
Re: be thankful it's only $30.00 ["David J. Baldwin" ]
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V2 #47 [James Federline
Re: 351 ["Casey Vandor" ]
RE: speedo gear ["Posluszny, Walt (posl)" ]
Re: 3.0 Milage ["Ryan Penner" ]
Re: which msd? [Thundercraft ]
Glove Box (molded plastic) [Gary Callahan ]
351 High Output [Jake ]
Re: Turning radius [Randy ]
Re: which msd? ["David Mortensen" ]
Re: '91 Big Bronco - Takes forever to fill. [Randy ]
E4OD Problems [Shawn Clemons ]
Re: 351? [FSTFORDS aol.com]
Re: '91 Big Bronco - Takes forever to fill. [FSTFORDS aol.com]
Wiring on e-150 ["Leo Mosley" ]
Re: Which MSD ? [Bob ]

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Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 15:30:01 EST
From: "Robert Stinnett TSO8352 - HOMENODE"
Subject: Ol' Doc Ford's Miracle Tonic

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I see the snake-oil salesman is back online. It is amazing how many people
think they can pour this gunk into their tank (be it Slick 50, EngineRevive
or whatnot) and suddenly erase years of damage. Even worse, those that
think this stuff will delay the regular maintenance they should do anyway.

If this stuff was so great Ford, Chevy and every other car manufacturer would
be putting it on the front page of every new car manual to run out and buy
this and make it part of your regular maintenance. Mobil, Shell, MFA Oil
would all be selling it like hotcakes. However, strangely enough, none
of the above seem to be happening. I wonder why?

The best thing you can do for any car is maintenance. I don't mean 100,000
mile tune-up (assuming it makes it that long) and think you've done a big
thing. I mean regular, professional maintenance. My '97 Ranger gets taken
in to the shop every 3,000 miles like clockwork for maintenance. I don't care
how many schedules I have to juggle to do it. All my driving is strictly
highway and by all accounts I should follow the 5,000 mile maintenance route.
In fact, the guys at the dealer tell me that my oil is some of the cleanest
they have EVER SEEN coming -OUT- of the engine when they change it. You'd
be surprised how much changing the oil every 3,000 (and some say 2500, but
I'll stick with 3000 for now) miles helps. It's like giving the engine a bath.
I've seen engines with well over 150k miles on them that had the oil changed
every 3k miles that look almost brand new on the inside.

Instead of spending $19.95 on the latest fad to hit the market, spend $7
bucks on a filter and $10 on some fresh oil and change it.

Rob
'97 Ranger XLT Longbed

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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:10:52 -0600
From: "jccooper"
Subject: Re: 351?

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> From: Jake
> To: fordtrucks80up ListService.net
> Subject: 351?
> Date: Wednesday, February 04, 1998 8:29 AM
>
> I have a 1987 f-250 HD with a 351 in it and was wondering if there is
> an easy way to tel if it is a Clevland or Winzar.
>
> Jake Everly
>
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I was told that the easy way was that on one the water jacket (where the
thermostat is) is in the intake manifold on one and in the head on the
other. I do not remember which is which though.

That's my story and I'm stickin to it!!!

JC down in Gnat Flats, Texas

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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:47:00 EST
From: JBien45204 aol.com
Subject: Re: 3.0 Gas Milage/apologie

Hello Chad,
I owe you apology for the statement I made to you. You are right I do
not no about your personal life and I eat my word's. (you got to me,
sorry) I did not lie, it works. Could you see the Oil Co. putting this
in the fuel and seeling 20 To 25% less fuel sale's at cost to them of 5
cents a gallon and adding 15 cent at the pump. The Oil Co. throw this
technology out 15 years ago because it worked, but they don't have the
patents.
I to didn't think this idea would work ( sake oil) but it work all the time.
Personal I had a beautiful 1978 150 4x4 351 12 inch lift kit. Sold it
to paid for my Daughter Hosp. Bill's. I love my Daughter more and I sure
you would too.

Sincere apology, Jeff

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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:24:06 -0700
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: 351?

>From: Jake
>Subject: 351?
>
>I have a 1987 f-250 HD with a 351 in it and was wondering if
> there is an easy way to tel if it is a Clevland or Winzar.
Yo Jake:

The easiest way to tell the difference is to count the number of bolts
holding down the valve covers. The Windsor engine has 6 bolts on the valve
cover, the Cleveland family engines have 8 bolts on the valve cover.

If the original engine in your truck was a 351 V8, it was a 351 Windsor.
The only other 351 available in F trucks was the 351M. The 351M is in the
same design family as the 351 Cleveland, and it was used in F trucks from
1977 through 1983. The 351 Cleveland was never installed in F trucks by
the factory.

You can find lots more good Ford engine info at the following web site:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.wrljet.com/engines/

Dave R. (M-block devotee)

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Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 15:31:22 -0600
From: Gary Spradley
Subject: re: which msd?

I can't speak for everyone but I'd have to think most people prefer
the 6 series over the 5 due to flexibility.

First off, the 5 only works with points and factory igntion
modules EXCEPT GM's Hei.
The six series works with points, magnetic trigger or GM HEI
ignitions.

The six series allows for more options such as
a fixed timing computer, multi-step retard etc...

I run the 6al because it has a built in rev-limiter.

The 6A is around $50.00 more than the 5.

Gary Spradley 84 F150 4X4

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Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 14:55:46 -0800
From: David McDonald
Subject: Re: which msd?

Gary Spradley wrote:

>



> I run the 6al because it has a built in rev-limiter.
>
> The 6A is around $50.00 more than the 5.
>
> Gary Spradley 84 F150 4X4

I'm just curious Gary, unless yer drag racin, what good
is the rev limiter gonna do you? (hopin you don't come
up with a good reason, cuz I already got the 6a :)

Dave McDonald
'90 F250HD 4x4 351 5sp with an MSD sticker, soon to
have the MSD box installed too :)

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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:28:11 EST
From: Midwest96 aol.com
Subject: Re: 3.0 Gas Milage

In a message dated 98-02-04 01:55:31 EST, you write:


even
drive a Ford truck. Other wise you would've had the common sense to use it
as
an example, rather than you piece of #$% Chevy. >>

Heehee, I was just thinking, probably anything would give a Chevy better gas
mileage, and I was wondering. If watering down gas was so great, wouldn't the
gas companies already be doing that?

Craig


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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 16:24:51 -0600
From: bmrickman juno.com (brian k rickman)
Subject: Re: 351?

>----------
>> From: Jake
>> I have a 1987 f-250 HD with a 351 in it and was wondering if there is
>> an easy way to tel if it is a Clevland or Winzar.
>>
>> Jake Everly
>>
>-----------------+
>
>I was told that the easy way was that on one the water jacket (where
>the
>thermostat is) is in the intake manifold on one and in the head on the
>other. I do not remember which is which though.
>
>That's my story and I'm stickin to it!!!
>
>JC down in Gnat Flats, Texas
>-----------------+
the thermostat/radiator hose is on the block on a Cleveland and on the
intake on a Windsor. Windsor includes the 255,260,289,302,351 family.
Cleveland engines are pretty much by themselves although they are similar
to the Modified family (351M,400).
If it is not a Windsor it is probably a Modified as Cleveland's are
getting rare.

Brian Rickman bmrickman juno.com
91 Explorer 4X4 EB AOD
81 F100 2wd 351w AOD


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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:50:27 EST
From: Midwest96 aol.com
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V2 #45

In a message dated 98-02-04 10:11:21 EST, you write:


50, all these things do is remove money from the driver's pocket.

Bill Funk >>

So that's how they work. I always wondered. I guess I'll leave my wallet at
home, and just get the extra mileage from a lighter load ;)

Craig

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Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 16:17:45 -0500
From: "Jason M. Lester"
Subject: RE: 351?

If it's stock, it's gotta be a Windsor. The 351C was only made 69-72 (I'm
not positive on those years, something like that though, not past 1973
anyway).

Jason

I have a 1987 f-250 HD with a 351 in it and was wondering if there is
an easy way to tel if it is a Clevland or Winzar.

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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:26:39 EST
From: Midwest96 aol.com
Subject: Re: '91 Big Bronco - Takes forever to fill.

In a message dated 98-02-04 01:50:22 EST, you write:


slowly or else the pump handle clicks off. This happens no matter what
filling station or pump I use, so I know its the truck. I can sometimes lock
the filler handle at it's lowest setting and get to 3/4 full, but then it is
stop and go. It's a really annoying problem that I'd like to fix.
Especially
since it can take 15-20 minutes to fill the 34gallon fuel tank and it gets
really cold here in Cleveland! I'd appreciate any suggestions. (And BTW,
I've
tried holding the handle in every position imaginable!) >>

I had the same problem on my 96F150XLT, I took it to the dealer, they
couldfn't figure it out and so I just got a new tank. Yours is prob past
warranty (I'm going out on a limb here ), but maybe see if there's a TSB on
this?

Craig

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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:42:17 -0900
From: "Casey Vandor"
Subject: be thankful it's only $30.00

You should be happy if two tanks is only 30.00! It costs me on average
55-60! I see your point about the extra money though.
Casey

>>>Of course, I'm never going to BUY this stuff, even if it works as
advertised. I
mean, when I fill both tanks, it costs me an average of $30. If I have to
spend
$40 to treat the tanks (both of them), I'd have to get >40MPG to make it
worthwhile....and there's no way in HELL with a 200MPH tail wind that my
truck
will ever get milage like that.

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Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 19:32:50 -0500
From: Tom and Amanda Lang
Subject: Best Investment I've seen in Years

>You also must have a problem with math since it costs you more
>NOT to do your part, than to do it. Saving about $2 for every dollar
>spent.

Let's see, saving $2 for every dollar spent . . .

OK, spend a dollar, save $2
Spend a thousand dollars, save $2000

OK, at 60 mph, that's 1440 miles a 24 hour day, 525,600 miles per year.
Assuming 10 mpg (I would like to get worse, since I can spend money even
faster, but I'll drive as terrible as I can and *try* to only get 10 mpg.)
Also, I know that'll be *extremely* hard, with Super 21 in-the-tank. BTW,
I kicked that Tiger outta there long ago. That's back when I used to
fill-up at a place with a Dinosaur on the sign.:) OK now, that's 52,560
gallons a year. For ease of calculation, let's assume a buck a gallon.
Again, I wish the price of gas were higher, cause I'd save even more!!
Therefore, I'll spend $52,560 a year. And, applying the rule above, that
means I'll save $105,120 a year. That's $105,120 a year *in the clear*.
OK, I'm gonna hire two guys/gals to each drive 12 hours each shift so I can
get the maximum time *on the road*. I can pay each one $20,000 a year and
sit at home (with a rake) and net $65,120 a year. Where's Johnny
Paycheck??? "Take this job and . . . "

Heck, I'm buying a fleet of trucks. 10 trucks out there on-the-road
*continuosly* will net me $651,200 a year.

Tom (I hope the IRS doesn't read this) Lang

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Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 18:25:26 -0600
From: "David J. Baldwin"
Subject: Re: be thankful it's only $30.00

Casey Vandor wrote:

> You should be happy if two tanks is only 30.00! It costs me on average
> 55-60! I see your point about the extra money though.
> Casey

Ugh! Glad I don't live where you do.

How are you coming with that radio? You have any luck with the buzzing?

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Best Regards,

Dave Baldwin
Dallas, TX
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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 18:55:28 -0600 (CST)
From: James Federline
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V2 #47

Heh. I did this with my '75 LTD and then with my '85 EXP (I like those
three letter names... :). Best bet is use the ign 12v lead and attach
the radio gnd to the firewall, and put wire nuts on all the rest. In my
case, I grounded to the dash light circuit. :-/

>Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 05:35:52 -0800 (PST)
>From: adam rupert
>Subject: wiring on e-150
>
>Greetings,
>
>While wiring in a radio on my 87 e-150 which had a factory radio
>everything went well until I went to turn on the lights and found that
>I had no dash lights. The fuse was burned and burns imediatly. As I
>recall there were 5 wires, yellow, green, blue and two blacks. Green
>was constant 12v yellow was keyed 12v and I got a ground throught the
>blue wire, I tied off the black wires. So the question is what is
>wrong? I have not been able to find a manual with a wiring diag and
>since it is such a pain to pull everything apart I thought I would
>check with you folks, TIA for any help.
>
>adam in colorado springs



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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:46:17 -0900
From: "Casey Vandor"
Subject: Re: 351

Look in the valve cover on the passenger side, a windsor will have a large
W on the sticker and a cleveland will probably have a large C.
Casey

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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 13:16:08 -0800
From: "Posluszny, Walt (posl)"
Subject: RE: speedo gear

> Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 06:43:46 -0600
> From: John Cassis
> Subject: 3.0 Gas Mailage
>
> Walt,
>
> Where and how do you fix the speedo. I've heard there some =
> sort of little gear in the end of the speedo cable?
>
> John Cassis
> The Danger Ranger

John,

On my 85 F-150 4x4 I just crawled under the truck, looked at the end of
the speedo cable where it goes into the tranny, removed the one screw,
pulled out the cable, the plastic gear followed(no clip or anything, it
just comes right out), popped in a new one, plugged the cable back in,
put the screw in and it was done. Took me less than a minute.

I picked up my new gear ahead of time, I went from the stock P235-15's
to 31x10.50 and I had to go with a gear that had one less tooth. They
actually come in different colors but the number of teeth are what is
important. I calculated the percentage difference in rolling distance
with the new tires and determined I needed to drop 5 % for the speedo
and odo to be accurate. I went to Ford, they told me my stock green gear
had 20 teeth and gave me a pink gear with 19 teeth. They had it in
stock, say they get calls for them all the time. Cost me less than $6
bucks with tax. It now records like a charm. It was the easiest thing I
ever replaced on the truck.

I would imagine that your Ranger would be very, very similar.

Hope this helps.

Walt

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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 19:18:54 -0700
From: "Ryan Penner"
Subject: Re: 3.0 Milage

- -----Original Message-----
From: Chad Royse
To: fordtrucks80up ListService.net
Date: Wednesday, February 04, 1998 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: 3.0 Milage


>Don't feel bad because this guy is a fake and a user. I doubt he has the
b #$$ to post here again.
>
>But hey, maybe we're being to hard on the guy. After all, if you drove a
Chevy everyday wouldn't you be desperate to improve it too? Nah!!
>

Yeah, Desperate in the best way to improve it buy a ford!

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Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 18:27:37 -0800
From: Thundercraft
Subject: Re: which msd?

Gary Spradley wrote:
>
> I can't speak for everyone but I'd have to think most people prefer
> the 6 series over the 5 due to flexibility.
>
Has anyone had experience with Jacobs ignition systems.

See http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.jacobselectronics.com

They have a system that uses a controlled spark vs. multiple sparks.
I think the idea might be to eliminate the stress on the ignition parts
from the mini arc welder effect. Anyway, the site makes interesting
reading.

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Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 18:42:04 -0800
From: Gary Callahan
Subject: Glove Box (molded plastic)

I'm looking for a molded plastic glove box for my '81 F-150 (w/o
air). The old "cardboard" one is about to give up the ghost. JC
Whitney has some for Mustangs and VW Bugs but I can find none for our
Ford Trucks in the catalog. Any help would be appreciated.

Gary Callahan
GCallahan prodigy.net
callah hninc.com

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Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 22:29:00 +0000
From: Jake
Subject: 351 High Output

I would like to say thanks for all the information that everyone has
given me about my 351. But I have a 351 High Output and have not been
able to find any information on this engine any were. Dose this mean I
am losing my mind or have I just been looking in the wrong place.

Thanks

Jake Everly

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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 01:47:20 -0800
From: Randy
Subject: Re: Turning radius

Michael,
I think the turning radius is limited due to the design of the front
driveline. The tires can turn only so far before it would exceed the
amount of stress that the front shafts' knuckle can handle. I have an
'87 w/the Dana 50 IFS and the front drive shafts fit thru holes in the
dreaded twin-traction beams. The wheel ends of the shafts have
U-joints in them to allow for the turning of the wheel. If you turn
the wheel hard and drive slow in a parking lot you can feel the
'lurching' of the front-end. That is caused by every quarter-turn of
the u-joint. I think if the truck turned any tighter, the force would
put excessive bind on the joints and at minimum wear them out
prematurely. I have a RC LB and I hate the huge radius, but when I
was looking for this truck I drove a SC LB and man that was like
turning around a bus! I can just imagine the Crew cabs! I think
there are some stops somewhere that limit the turning of the wheels,
but doing any mods here might be asking for trouble.
Later,
Randy

Michael Wrap wrote:
>
> I have an '86 F250 SC 4x4. The turning radius really leaves a bit to
> be desired (to put it nicely). Is there any modifications that can be
> made to make this better?
>
> Michael (feel like I'm driving an 18 wheeler) W.
>
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Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 21:50:58 PST
From: "David Mortensen"
Subject: Re: which msd?

>Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 05:37:34 -0800 (PST)
>From: adam rupert
>Subject: which msd?
>
>I noticed many who use an msd ignition use a 6a, why choose it over
>the 5? Also those who have switched to an msd what were the
>improvements? I am looking for a way to maximize fuel milleage.
>
>adam in colorado springs

The reason people choose the 6 series over the 5 series is the 6 series
has the hookup for the incab timing control, 15 degree adjustment, the
instructions say to set it so you have 7.5 degrees of advance and 7.5
degrees of retard at your fingertips. The 6AL has a rev limiter (sorta
pointless seeing that it comes with >5000rpm rev limiter and the truck
has a redline of 4500) Go with the 6A and the incab timing control. I
bought both but they are still in the box.

Dave

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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 01:55:16 -0800
From: Randy
Subject: Re: '91 Big Bronco - Takes forever to fill.

I hate it when that happens!!!
I have the same problem on my '87 F-250 and I go thru it TWICE w/each
fill. I have not noticed a pattern, but sometimes it works just fine,
and others not at all. I though that maybe there was too much fume
build up in the tank, but I don't notice any rushing air while
removing the cap. It must be these Cleveland/NE Ohio stations, I
swear. Of course it happens when I'm in the biggest hurry. I've
tried it w/the nozzle shoved all the way down into the stinkin' tank
itself and even just far enough in to hold the flap open so gas
doesn't spray on me. Nothing seems to work. Here I though I was the
only one suffering....let's start a support group....
Let me know what you come up with,
Randy

FPonzani aol.com wrote:
>
> When putting gas in my '91 Bronco (351 motor) I have to fill the tank VERY
> slowly or else the pump handle clicks off. This happens no matter what
> filling station or pump I use, so I know its the truck. I can sometimes lock
> the filler handle at it's lowest setting and get to 3/4 full, but then it is
> stop and go. It's a really annoying problem that I'd like to fix. Especially
> since it can take 15-20 minutes to fill the 34gallon fuel tank and it gets
> really cold here in Cleveland! I'd appreciate any suggestions. (And BTW, I've
> tried holding the handle in every position imaginable!)
>
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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 00:54:40 -0500
From: Shawn Clemons
Subject: E4OD Problems

Is anyone aware of any major changes to the E4OD since 1992? I've got a 92
Bronco 302 that blew the transmission completely out just last week. I
asked my local Ford dealer about the E4OD, because I'm concerned about the
longevity of the one in my 97 F150. The F150 takes a lot more of a beating,
what with off-roading and towing, and I'd like to avoid any problems with
it (as well as the new tranny in the Bronco) later down the road.

The guy at the dealership assured me that all of the problems with the E4OD
have been corrected in recent years, and that I've got nothing to worry
about. I've got a feeling that he's just feeding me a line in order to keep
me happy. The warranty on the truck expires soon, and it's already starting
to shift rough. If anyone's got any input, I'd really appreciate it. I'd
like to be able to call his bluff if he is lying about the recent mods.
Thanks.

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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 01:07:39 EST
From: FSTFORDS aol.com
Subject: Re: 351?

99%WINDSOR...GUARANTEED.

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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 01:12:22 EST
From: FSTFORDS aol.com
Subject: Re: '91 Big Bronco - Takes forever to fill.

THERE'S A VENT TUBE RUNNING DOWN TO TANK IT'S PROBABLY PINCHED OR PLUGGED.
FUEL FILLERS RUN ON VACUUM IF YOUR VENT IS CUTOFF THE PUMP THINK'S YOUR TANK
IS FULL...

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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 22:42:22 -0800
From: "Leo Mosley"
Subject: Wiring on e-150

Adam. I ran into a similar problem with my brother-in-law's Ford motorhome. A
friend had installed a radio for him, and the result was no dash lights (ie fuse
blows right away). I think you will find the blue wire is not a ground, but is
the dash light feed to your factory radio. You could test this with a voltmeter,
by hooking positive to the blue wire, and negative to ground. If you then vary
the dash light brightness, you should see a voltage swing. I suspect if you move
your radio ground to one of the black wires, all will be OK
Leo
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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 05:35:52 -0800 (PST)
From: adam rupert
Subject: wiring on e-150
Greetings,
While wiring in a radio on my 87 e-150 which had a factory radio
everything went well until I went to turn on the lights and found that
I had no dash lights. The fuse was burned and burns imediatly. As I
recall there were 5 wires, yellow, green, blue and two blacks. Green
was constant 12v yellow was keyed 12v and I got a ground throught the
blue wire, I tied off the black wires. So the question is what is
wrong? I have not been able to find a manual with a wiring diag and
since it is such a pain to pull everything apart I thought I would
check with you folks, TIA for any help.
adam in colorado springs

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Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 23:21:31 -0900
From: Bob
Subject: Re: Which MSD ?

Hey all,

Ive got an MSD 6AL on my 95 F-150 4x4 302. It works, but not as good....


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