fordtrucks80up-digest Tuesday, February 3 1998 Volume 02 : Number 044



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In this issue:

Re: 1985 4X4 driveline clunk [Bakend aol.com]
Re: FlagBaggin intake bolts.... [bmrickman juno.com (brian k rickman)]
Re: 1985 4X4 driveline clunk [Jake ]
V10 ["Jram" ]
Re: FlagBaggin intake bolts.... [bmrickman juno.com (brian k rickman)]
F-250 front end shimmy [Jake ]
Re:brake cylinder [Bill Funk ]
Ford Explorer Exhaust? [Must90GN87 aol.com]
Re: brake cylinder [Randy ]
Re: Ford Explorer Exhaust? [FastRngXLT aol.com]
Re: F-250 front end shimmy [bmrickman juno.com (brian k rickman)]
Valve Cover Gaskets ["Leo Mosley" ]

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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:28:15 EST
From: Bakend aol.com
Subject: Re: 1985 4X4 driveline clunk

In a message dated 98-02-02 18:46:46 EST, you write:


I would have thought that will all this Ford brainpower out there
someone else would have come across this same condition. Not a single
response. Now I'm really depressed...................... >>


New motor mounts and tranny mount took care of most in my 87 ranger. The rest
was fixed by replacing the spider gears and thier shafts in the rearend.
Hope this helps
D Baken

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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:21:16 -0600
From: bmrickman juno.com (brian k rickman)
Subject: Re: FlagBaggin intake bolts....

Hey David,

Just went back and re-read your orginal post and you have a 1990 model!
oops again, I think I'll change my font on my e-mail and see if that
helps keep my eyes open! Maybe someone got some good info out of this
anyway.

Brian Rickman bmrickman juno.com
91 Explorer 4X4 EB AOD Please forgive
the tag line
81 F100 2wd 351w AOD It's added at the
server.

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don't think that

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Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 22:16:08 +0000
From: Jake
Subject: Re: 1985 4X4 driveline clunk

Your problem might be the throw out bering. If it is this don't worry it can be
changed when you have to change the clutch. I had a simmilar problem in my 82
Bronco with a four speed in it.

Jake

David J. Baldwin wrote:

> Posluszny, Walt (posl) wrote:
>
> > 1985 F-150, 351-2V, 4-SD(Manual OD), 3.50 gears, NP-208 Tranfer Case.
> >
> > HELP!
> >
> > I get lot's of slap, bang, shudder in my drivetrain when letting out the
> > clutch in 1st gear. I can make it slap by getting on or off the gas
> > pedal. It has done this since new, now it's getting really annoying.
>
> This probably doesn't apply to you, but you might check the motor mounts. I
> broke a motor mount once and it sounded like all hell was breaking loose,
> and got worse the harder I accelerated. Accelerating gently, I had no
> problem, but this was an automatic. I doubt the truck would've come from
> the factory with a broken mount, but maybe someone forgot to bolt it down or
> something.
>
> --
> Best Regards,
>
> Dave Baldwin
> Dallas, TX
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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:26:25 -0600
From: "Jram"
Subject: V10

If you look at V#42 and the Ford vs.. Dodge V-10 specs, Ford does pack more
punch per cubic inch. The only problem is that Ford does not put enough
cubic inches under the hood so Dodge is the the V-10 King. I was a Dodge
truck owner for years and I can say this. Dodge builds a good truck, but
their service is terrible. If a person wants to keep a truck longer than a
few years then they better buy a Ford. It may have fewer horses under the
hood but if the big horses are dead, they still cant beat the smaller ones
that are up and running.

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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:08:58 -0600
From: bmrickman juno.com (brian k rickman)
Subject: Re: FlagBaggin intake bolts....

On Mon, 02 Feb 1998 16:38:35 -0800 David McDonald
writes>
>brian k rickman wrote:
>
>> umm, you shouldn't need to pull the intake just for the valve
>covers.
>>
>I'm pretty sure I do, I can't even see some of the bolts on the
>valvecover cuz of the way the upper intake manifold swoops off to the
>passenger side of the engine. I'm thinkin the lower mainfold can stay
>put, it's not in the way. Does your '81 351 have fuel injection?

If your truck has tpi (tuned port injection) then you are correct. I was
talking about a carburated intake (like mine). I didn't think that fuel
injection was avaliable on these until '86 or so. I know what you are
talking about now and it still doesn't sound like much fun, but not
nearly so bad as before. Sounds like you're on the right track tho. So
how do you get those last two bolts off? oops

Brian Rickman bmrickman juno.com
91 Explorer 4X4 EB AOD Please forgive
the tag line
81 F100 2wd 351w AOD It's added at the
server.

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Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 22:32:40 +0000
From: Jake
Subject: F-250 front end shimmy

I have a 87 F250 HD. When I hit the brakes I get a jumping in the
front end. I had the roters checked and they are not the problem. With
my winter tires i dont get much of a hop but when I put my 33x12.5x16.5
on the front end jumps right off the road. does any one know what else
this could be besides the brakes?

also I was wondering if 351w and 351c had the same exaust manifolds. I
am looking for a pair.


thanks

Jake Everly

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Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 21:47:50 -0700
From: Bill Funk
Subject: Re:brake cylinder

> From: Christopher Smith
> Subject: brake cylinder
>
> I have an 85 F250 4x4. It has recently started leaking brake fluid
> from
> somewhere in the rear drivers side. You can see where it has been
> leaking
> out from inside the drum. Call me stupid but i have never had a break
>
> cylinder apart. Any suggestions on where the fluid is leaking from.
> Just
> thought i would check before tearing into it. Also lately when i
> apply
> the brakes the rearend hops up and down a little. Is theis caused by
> the
> break fluid on the drum and shoes. Any comments would be greatly
> appreciated. Thanks.
> Chris Smith
> West Lafayette, IN

Well, it could be a brake cylinder, but it could also be a bad axle
seal.
Is the brake fluid level going down? If not, it may be the seal.
The hopping is caused by the fluid on the shoes, probably.

Bill

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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:12:02 EST
From: Must90GN87 aol.com
Subject: Ford Explorer Exhaust?

hey all, looking for an aftermarket cat-back exhaust system for a 1998
Explorer. All the catalogs I have don't seem to list much past 1995 on the
Explorer. I got the SOHC 4.0 L V6 with the 5 speed Automatic. As it is now,
its too quiet, must be at least 10-20 h.p. in those stock pipes being held up.
Any suggestions?
Thanks, Chris

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Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 01:18:40 -0800
From: Randy
Subject: Re: brake cylinder

chris, first 1 of my keys is broke so I'll replace it with * for *ow
if that truck is a heavy duty model you will have to pull out the
axleshafts to be able to remove the drum. You will k*ow because the
axle will stick way out o* the outside of the wheel, this is the
'full-floati*g' rear e*d. You will have to remove the 8(?) bolts from
the e*d of the axleshafts a*d pull them out, although I ca*'t remember
if it has 'C'-clips or *ot (somebody here will), cuz if so you will
have to remove the diff cover to get to the clips. I had the seals
leak o* mi*e so it sou*ds like a commo* problem.
later (this sucks typi*g w/o the * key)
Ra*dy


Christopher Smith wrote:
>
> I have an 85 F250 4x4. It has recently started leaking brake fluid from
> somewhere in the rear drivers side. You can see where it has been leaking
> out from inside the drum. Call me stupid but i have never had a break
> cylinder apart. Any suggestions on where the fluid is leaking from. Just
> thought i would check before tearing into it. Also lately when i apply
> the brakes the rearend hops up and down a little. Is theis caused by the
> break fluid on the drum and shoes. Any comments would be greatly
> appreciated. Thanks.
> Chris Smith
> West Lafayette, IN
>
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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 00:16:32 EST
From: FastRngXLT aol.com
Subject: Re: Ford Explorer Exhaust?

In a message dated 2/3/98 12:10:44 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Must90GN87 AOL.com writes:


Explorer. All the catalogs I have don't seem to list much past 1995 on the
Explorer. I got the SOHC 4.0 L V6 with the 5 speed Automatic. As it is now,
its too quiet, must be at least 10-20 h.p. in those stock pipes being held
up.
Any suggestions?
Thanks, Chris >>

Borla makes a single exit exhaust and muffler setup for the SOHC 4.0L
Explorers. Check out http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.performanceproducts.com and order their
catalog for Ford trucks. Almost anything you want they have with resonable
prices. The Borla mufflers are a bit pricey though!

Brian

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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:25:05 -0600
From: bmrickman juno.com (brian k rickman)
Subject: Re: F-250 front end shimmy

On Mon, 02 Feb 1998 22:32:40 +0000 Jake writes:
>I have a 87 F250 HD. When I hit the brakes I get a jumping in the
>front end. I had the roters checked and they are not the problem.
>With my winter tires i dont get much of a hop but when I put my
>33x12.5x16.5 on the front end jumps right off the road. does any one
know >what else this could be besides the brakes?

Had a 86 Heavy Duty at work that did the same thing at about 40mph. Took
it to a Ford HD dealer and there was a service bulliten on it. Don't know
the fix though.

>also I was wondering if 351w and 351c had the same exaust manifolds.
>I am looking for a pair.

No, they are not.

>
>
>thanks
>
>Jake Everly
>
>+--------------

Brian Rickman bmrickman juno.com
91 Explorer 4X4 EB AOD Please forgive
the tag line
81 F100 2wd 351w AOD It's added at the
server.

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don't think that

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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 00:56:46 -0800
From: "Leo Mosley"
Subject: Valve Cover Gaskets

Dave, I recently went through the same thing when I replaced the valve cover
gaskets on my 87 F150, 302. I'm not sure whether the clearance between the
passenger side valve cover and the upper intake manifold is the same on a 351,
but it is tight. That being said, I managed to get the valve cover off and on
without taking off the manifold. I used neoprene valve cover gaskets, and high
tack spray gasket adhesive to hold them in place during installation. Although
the adhesive sort of worked, I did have to push the gasket around to keep it in
the right spot, I was glad I used the neoprene gasket, because I'm sure I would
have managed to tear a cork gasket. The gaskets had tabs around the outside,
which I suspect snap into the lip of some valve covers to hold them in place,
Unfortunately my valve covers had no lip to snap them into. All in all, it was a
b**ch of a job, but I did manage to do it, without removing the manifold. I did
need to get the sparkplug wires, etc out of the way to get maximum clearance.
One other thing I found was the injector wiring is held in plastic clips on the
backside of the valve cover. Be careful when you are hauling them out. This job
should be done in a soundproof garage, so your family can't hear you swearing. I
love my Ford, but this and replacing a thermostat are two examples of terrible
engineering. Nothing like a 20 minute job that takes 4 hours, because you can't
get at it.
Good Luck
Leo

Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 09:50:43 -0800
From: David McDonald
Subject: FlagBaggin intake bolts....
Hiya all,
I'm hopin someone out there can help me out... I have an oil leak on
my '90 F250HD with a 351. I'm installing some mods (K&N, Gibson cat back
and a n MSD 6a) and figured that I's tear into it to fix the leak. I
found the leak on the passenger side valve cover, so I need to replace
the gasket, which means the intake manifold needs to come off. I tried,....

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