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fordtrucks80up-digest Friday, January 30 1998 Volume 02 : Number 039



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In this issue:

Update on Holley carb on 86 F150 [Mike Johnson ]
www.bronco. com [Mike Johnson ]
FW: bucket seats [Sean Winters ]
Re: FW: bucket seats ["Tom Oxner" ]
Re: Finding vacuum leaks [ACMERCG aol.com]
Re: V10 mileage [KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)]
Re: www.bronco. com [ACMERCG aol.com]
Re: 302 swap to 351 [Gary Spradley ]
Re: V10 mileage [John Yee ]
Re: 92' Bronco Engine Swaps [ACMERCG aol.com]
Re: Limited Slip ["Dave Resch"]
RE: 302 swap to 351 [Sean Winters ]
FW: FW: bucket seats [Sean Winters ]
Happy Story [Russ Hampsten ]
Re: F150 STX? [ss80xt worldnet.att.net]
Re: 3?? swap to 351 [bmrickman juno.com (brian k rickman)]
Re: F150 STX? [Gardner ]
'99 Superduty Article [Mitch Biarsky ]
1999 F-Series ["Joe Hockey" ]
Re: 1999 F-Series [John Yee ]

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:28:38 -0500
From: Mike Johnson
Subject: Update on Holley carb on 86 F150

I had the 86 F150 with the 300 cid engine, with a holley 4 barrel,
header, duel exhaust.

It did the hesitation thing, a dead spot just off idle.

Well I replaced the 390 cfm Holley 4 bbl with a
Carter 500 cfm 4 bbl and it took care of the problem.
The truck runs great, a noticable amount more power at low rpm's.
I just have to fine tune the mixture and the choke.
I hope my mileage doesn't go down becouse of more cfm's.

thanks for everyones input when I had the problem.

Mike Johnson
mikej granger-co.com

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:06:31 -0500
From: Mike Johnson
Subject: www.bronco. com

I remember someone asking about a bronco engine swap.
I happen to come across this web page.

this web page is devoted to the ford bronco and might help with engine
swap questions.
it has pages on conversions and upgrades, tbles and data, wiring
diagrams.
it looks to be a very informative page.
www.bronco. com

hope this helps,
Mike Johnosn

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:02:03 -0600
From: Sean Winters
Subject: FW: bucket seats

There are places here in the Dallas area that have "take out" seats from
newer trucks that have been through custom conversions. These are all
but new factory seats.
Example: 1995 factory seat out of a Lariat with the fold down console,
power, cloth, choice of color $250. You can also pull up to the shop,
pay them and they will install the new seat and get rid of the old one
for you while you wait...kind of cool.

Don't know where you are, but there are probably places close by where
you could find the same kind of deal.

Sean

>
> a two
> buckets with a console. I have found sets in JC Whitney for about
> $600. Do
> any of you know any where I could get some for cheaper? They could be
> vinyl
> for all I care, I would put seat covers on first thing anyway.
>
> Thanks
> Casey
> >>
>
> Junkyard
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:33:55 CST6CDT
From: "Tom Oxner"
Subject: Re: FW: bucket seats

> From: Sean Winters
> To: "'fordtrucks80up listservice.net'"
> Subject: FW: bucket seats
> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:02:03 -0600
> Reply-to: fordtrucks80up listservice.net

> There are places here in the Dallas area that have "take out" seats from
> newer trucks that have been through custom conversions. These are all
> but new factory seats.
> Example: 1995 factory seat out of a Lariat with the fold down console,
> power, cloth, choice of color $250. You can also pull up to the shop,
> pay them and they will install the new seat and get rid of the old one
> for you while you wait...kind of cool.
>
> Don't know where you are, but there are probably places close by where
> you could find the same kind of deal.
>
> Sean
>
DO you have a phone number for these folks? I have an 82 F-150 and I
do not know if the later model seats would fit. If they will, this is
a good deal. I am located in Little Rock, AR. Thanks for any
information.
Tom Oxner

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:36:50 EST
From: ACMERCG aol.com
Subject: Re: Finding vacuum leaks

In a message dated 98-01-28 20:21:47 EST, you write:


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Another good way to find vacuum leaks is to use an oxy-acetylene
torch. Turn on the acetylene and place the torch tip by places that
tend to leak vacuum. The engine should rev up. This also works (but
not as good) with a propane tourch. The only problem is these gases
are very flamable, so BE CAREFUL. >>


You must remember that other inert gases can really mess up your
sensors in a computer controlled vehicle and an oxy/ acetlyne gases is a very
volatile mix and WILL ignite, even with the smallest spark, such as a bad
ignition wire. I would stick to the WD-40 or perhaps carb cleaner.


acmercg aol.com

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:19:42, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: Re: V10 mileage

I don't have any info on V10 mileage for ya. Ford hasn't told us,
and I don't want to guess. They claim to be better than the 460, but
not by much.

Josh
KNBD87D prodigy.com

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:24:01 EST
From: ACMERCG aol.com
Subject: Re: www.bronco. com

In a message dated 98-01-29 10:11:04 EST, you write:


I happen to come across this web page.

this web page is devoted to the ford bronco and might help with engine
swap questions.
it has pages on conversions and upgrades, tbles and data, wiring
diagrams.
it looks to be a very informative page.
www.bronco. com

hope this helps,
Mike Johnosn >>

Thanks Mike if it was meant for me but my Bronco II met its fate last
weekend with a maple tree. I wanted to put a 302 or a 289 in ti but that is
for the next one.

joe

acmercg aol.com

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:44:21 -0600
From: Gary Spradley
Subject: Re: 302 swap to 351

> All you 302 guys who are thinking about the 351 swap, everything bolts up
> except for what connects the the heads; ac bracket, exhaust, egr, etc. If
> you buy the donor motor, get all the accessories and brackets.

Just to add to what Dave says if you own an 80 - 86 F150 and are looking
for brackets, good luck!
When I did my conversion from a 300 six to the Windsor I found both brackets
holding the ac compressor are obsolete from Ford and there are only a few
dealers left in the country who still have them on the shelf. I eventually
found and had them mailed to me.
If you need the part numbers and dealers who still stock them, let me know.

Gary Spradley 84 F150 4X4
spradley uab.edu

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:10:50 -0800
From: John Yee
Subject: Re: V10 mileage

There was an article in trailer life back a few months ago. It had the v10 with
3:73 gearing and the auto in a long wheel base van. Unfortunately I don't
remember the exact numbers. I look and report back if it doesn't get posted.

One number I do remember reading is that the v10 is about 20% increase from the
460.

>From some of the earlier v10 articles...

"We didn't have an opportunity to check fuel economy, but a Ford spokesman
claimed the V-10 engine has been delivering from 13 to 25 percent
improvements, with about a 19.8 percent average overall, compared to the old
7.5-liter V-8. Those figures are from fleet testing under real world
conditions, as opposed to dynamometer testing in a lab."

As Josh said, It's not much. Maybe 1-2 mpg better than the 460.


- -john

At 01:19 PM 1/29/98 -0500, you wrote:
>I don't have any info on V10 mileage for ya. Ford hasn't told us,
>and I don't want to guess. They claim to be better than the 460, but
>not by much.
>
>Josh
>KNBD87D prodigy.com

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:35:01 EST
From: ACMERCG aol.com
Subject: Re: 92' Bronco Engine Swaps

In a message dated 98-01-28 21:26:41 EST, fast ford icon.net write:


The
Lightning E4OD is a bit stronger than a regular F-150's. Hell with TFS
Aluminum Stage III ported heads, all MSD ignition, Kenne Bell 80mm Mass Air
Conversion, Ported upper and lower GT-40 intakes, Edlebrock 70MM TB, MAC
headers, MAC h-pipe, and Flowmaster mufflers, I was running 380HP in my
Lightning and on my second 1/4 mi run, I ballooned the Tranny.
-----Original Message-----
From: ACMERCG
To: fordtrucks80up ListService.net
Date: Wednesday, January 28, 1998 5:16 AM
Subject: Re: 92' Bronco Engine Swaps

>>
So what were you running in the quarter fastford? So far my best is
17.94 at?mph on street tires, 89 octane, both tanks filled and weighing in at
4950 lbs. My truck is a 92 F-150 XLT NITE 5.0 AOD, with a K&N, Dynomax
exhaust and Tek-Style bed cover. I'm not looking to go 13's because this is
still a daily driven truck that averages 15k a year. Just something to have a
little fun bracket racing with. I have over 50 runs on the truck and gone to
the fourth round twice, one of them was a HI-TECH Magazine EFI shootout. My
best r/t a .502 light.

I'm for some more power and was looking into Edelbrock or TFS heads
and maybe a blower. If I go to the lightning motor, I would leave it stock
except for the air filter and the exhaust.

Let me know what you think!

thanking you in advance,

Joe

acmercg aol.com

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:49:13 -0700
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: Limited Slip

>From: Tyler Abbott
>Subject: Re: Limited Slip
>
>I was playing with my brothers truck, trying to find out
>if it has a LS front. When I lifted the front end to atempt
>a test, I turned one tire and the other didn't do a thing.
>What does this mean? The truck is of a undisclosed
>make, and has IFS (92). No flames please, I'm using this
>as more than just a FORD question, but of a total TRUCK

Yo Tyler,

If the axle has an open (not limited slip nor locking) differential and
both hubs are locked, the front axle would act just like a rear axle w/ an
open diff, that is, the tire on the other side would rotate the opposite
direction because of the differential side gears.

Late model Ch*vys and newer D*dges, and some J**ps use a "central axle
disconnect" device to disable the front wheel drive system when in 2wd
mode. That is, a sliding coupler in the front axle disconnects the two
sides of the axle so that the front wheels can rotate independently, the
same way that unlocking manual hubs allows the wheels to rotate
independently. Most of these systems connect the axle to the front wheel
with a drive flange (sort of like a rear axle) that cannot be "unlocked."
If the 4wd mode is not engaged (and the central axle disconnect is not
"connected") in these systems, then the wheels rotate independently, like
the ones on your brother's truck apparently did. BTW: the central axle
disconnect is operated remotely, usually electromechanically (i.e., a
solenoid or something, not a mechanical linkage) and might not engage
unless the engine is running or the ignition is turned on.

FORD content: Love them Broncos!

Dave R. (M-block devotee)

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:00:57 -0600
From: Sean Winters
Subject: RE: 302 swap to 351

I have a line on a 351C, aluminum heads, fresh rebuild, C6 attached, etc
for a good price. I have the 300 six like yourself and need more power.
Are the brackets that hard to find for the Cleveland blocks?

Sean Winters

> -----Original Message-----
> From:Gary Spradley [SMTP:spradley uab.edu]
> Sent:Thursday, January 29, 1998 12:44 PM
> To:fordtrucks80up ListService.net
> Subject:Re: 302 swap to 351
>
> > All you 302 guys who are thinking about the 351 swap, everything
> bolts up
> > except for what connects the the heads; ac bracket, exhaust, egr,
> etc. If
> > you buy the donor motor, get all the accessories and brackets.
>
> Just to add to what Dave says if you own an 80 - 86 F150 and are
> looking
> for brackets, good luck!
> When I did my conversion from a 300 six to the Windsor I found both
> brackets
> holding the ac compressor are obsolete from Ford and there are only a
> few
> dealers left in the country who still have them on the shelf. I
> eventually
> found and had them mailed to me.
> If you need the part numbers and dealers who still stock them, let me
> know.
>
> Gary Spradley 84 F150 4X4
> spradley uab.edu
>
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:03:47 -0600
From: Sean Winters
Subject: FW: FW: bucket seats

Try EZ Seating Mfg. in Seagoville, TX (where men are men and sheep are
fast).

ph # 1-888-802-1519

Sean Winters



> > There are places here in the Dallas area that have "take out" seats
> from
> > newer trucks that have been through custom conversions. These are
> all
> > but new factory seats.
> > Example: 1995 factory seat out of a Lariat with the fold down
> console,
> > power, cloth, choice of color $250. You can also pull up to the
> shop,
> > pay them and they will install the new seat and get rid of the old
> one
> > for you while you wait...kind of cool.
> >
> > Don't know where you are, but there are probably places close by
> where
> > you could find the same kind of deal.
> >
> > Sean
> >
> DO you have a phone number for these folks? I have an 82 F-150 and I
> do not know if the later model seats would fit. If they will, this is
> a good deal. I am located in Little Rock, AR. Thanks for any
> information.
> Tom Oxner
> +-------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1980 and Newer
> --------------+
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> |
> | List removal instructions on the website.
> |
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> -----------------+

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 98 14:56:00 PST
From: Russ Hampsten
Subject: Happy Story

I took delivery of my new '97 F250 SC 4x4 diesel in August. Right away I
noticed a "moan" from 1500-2000rpm from the engine. I took it back to the
dealer and they were unable to fix the noise. I "lived" with the problem
for a month or so then found a TSB (from alldata.com) that addressed my
problem. With this information I took it to another dealer and had them
try and fix it. They were much more willing and ended up working on it 3
more times, the last time installing a exhaust dampener. Well nothing
worked.

After the 3rd try the dealer told me not to bring the truck back anymore..?
What I said. They told me I had to live with it. Well them are fightin'
words! I started by calling Ford Customer Service. They were basically no
help. The customer service rep called the dealership to get their side.
Now the dealer was saying this is normal and they "all do that". They
supposedly tried 2 other trucks on the lot and they did the same thing. So
just because it is common does not make it "normal". Ford officially
dropped it after that, no new work. That was early Nov.

My next step was to send a lemon letter to Ford and contact the Dispute
Settlement Board. The Dispute settlement board is a "neutral" mediation
resolution board for cases like mine. They agreed to hear my case.

To make a long story short (too late for that already) the dispute
settlement board ruled in my favor (after 3 months of work documenting
everything). My smoking gun was the fact that the dealer sent a doc to
ford saying they have tried everything to fix my problem and nothing
worked.

The deal I got is that I get a new truck up to the MSRP(Sticker price) in
value of my original. Basically I trade MSRP of my old one to MSRP of my
new one. If the new one is more then my original I have to cover the
difference. I don't have to pay anything for mileage (I have 5K on it)
because I had the problem since it was new.

I guess I will order a new '99 and pay any difference (selection of '97s
getting pretty thin). My questions are what do I do with the items I added
to my truck. I added a tonneau cover, bed matt, CD Changer/Stereo. Do I
get credit for those? Does anyone know?

My recommendation to anyone getting the same run around from the dealer is
fight it! Document everything, stay calm and keep plugging. If anyone has
any questions send me email and I will try and answer.

Russ

russ_hampsten ccm.intel.com

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:54:37 -0500
From: ss80xt worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: F150 STX?

Wait 'til you see the motor in the 1999 Lightning...

Steve S.

- ----------
> From: Fast Ford
> To: fordtrucks80up ListService.net
> Subject: Re: F150 STX?
> Date: Monday, December 01, 1997 9:07 PM
>
> Kinda like the Lightning? The Lightning has a much much stronger engine,
> 4.10 posi-track rear-end, a stronger E40D, and a very distinctive stance
and
> outward appearance, that is matched by no other truck. Plus it was
limited
> production.
>
> There are no trucks made since 1993 that are like the Lightning, and only
> one made before that (GMC Cyclone).
> -----Original Message-----
> From: MR JOSH J TENNEY
> To: fordtrucks80up ListService.net
> Date: Wednesday, January 28, 1998 5:16 AM
> Subject: re: F150 STX?
>
>
> >Craig,
> >The STX package is available on the 1998 F-150s. They must be 4x2,
> >regular cabs, flareside or styleside, and 4.2L V6s only. The package
> >gives color keyed front and rear bumpers, grille, and power mirrors,
> >17" wheels, fat 275/60R17 tires, a 3.55 ratio, and is only avaiable
> >in white, red, or black. Kind of like a lightning. They should have
> >offered this with the 5.4L only. Pretty neat package if you ask me.
> >It wasn't available on the 97s. The package retails for $595. Very
> >valuable package, but the engine restriction was stupid.
> >
> >Josh
> >
> >ps. Craig....how's school goin'
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> >
>
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:12:18 -0600
From: bmrickman juno.com (brian k rickman)
Subject: Re: 3?? swap to 351

On Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:00:57 -0600 Sean Winters
writes:
>I have a line on a 351C, aluminum heads, fresh rebuild, C6 >attached,
etc for a good price. I have the 300 six like yourself >and need more
power.
>Are the brackets that hard to find for the Cleveland blocks?
>
>Sean Winters
>
>> -----
Probably, this motor was only sold from 1970 through 73. The brackets
from a 351/400 "M" may be the same but they may not.
If I could get a "deal" on a Cleveland setup I would find a way to make
it work though.

B Rickman bmrickman juno.com
91 Explorer 4X4 EB AOD
81 F100 2wd 351w AOD

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:31:55 -0500
From: Gardner
Subject: Re: F150 STX?

ss80xt worldnet.att.net wrote:
>
> Wait 'til you see the motor in the 1999 Lightning...
>
> Steve S.
>
> ----------
> > From: Fast Ford
> > To: fordtrucks80up ListService.net
> > Subject: Re: F150 STX?
> > Date: Monday, December 01, 1997 9:07 PM
> >
> > Kinda like the Lightning? The Lightning has a much much stronger engine,
> > 4.10 posi-track rear-end, a stronger E40D, and a very distinctive stance
> and
> > outward appearance, that is matched by no other truck. Plus it was
> limited
> > production.
> >
> > There are no trucks made since 1993 that are like the Lightning, and only
> > one made before that (GMC Cyclone).
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: MR JOSH J TENNEY
> > To: fordtrucks80up ListService.net
> > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 1998 5:16 AM
> > Subject: re: F150 STX?
> >
> >
> > >Craig,
> > >The STX package is available on the 1998 F-150s. They must be 4x2,
> > >regular cabs, flareside or styleside, and 4.2L V6s only. The package
> > >gives color keyed front and rear bumpers, grille, and power mirrors,
> > >17" wheels, fat 275/60R17 tires, a 3.55 ratio, and is only avaiable
> > >in white, red, or black. Kind of like a lightning. They should have
> > >offered this with the 5.4L only. Pretty neat package if you ask me.
> > >It wasn't available on the 97s. The package retails for $595. Very
> > >valuable package, but the engine restriction was stupid.
> > >
> > >Josh
> > >
> > >ps. Craig....how's school goin'
> > >+-------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1980 and Newer --------------+
> > >| Send posts to fordtrucks80up listservice.net, |
> > >| List removal instructions on the website. |
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> > >
> >
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Lets not forget the Dodge Ram pace truck and Chevy 350 SS and 454 SS,
and the old Little Red Stepside dodges with 360 some years ago. I will
still have to choose the lightning! I am looking at one myself, a 1994
for 13,000...good deal? Its loaded a/t p/s c/c a/c p/w p/l you name its
got it! Now I have to sell my ranger..anyone interested?

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:37:39 -0500
From: Mitch Biarsky
Subject: '99 Superduty Article

FourWheeler has a new article on the '99 Superduty's

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.fourwheeler.com/newtrucks/roadtest/1999/index.html

Mitch

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:43:15 -0800
From: "Joe Hockey"
Subject: 1999 F-Series

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